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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2013 :  11:16:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have asked about having the Eschar tested, and it is not possible, that is what a physician has told me. The explanation made sense, too, though I don't remember ecifically what it was. I kept my Eschar, froze it in case I could, but oh well. (My forehead Eschar only. My nose was a diagnosed bcc.)
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2013 :  12:49:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anything can by analyzed, he probably meant that the origin can't be determined. It seems reasonable that once cells or even tissues have been killed off and liquified and expelled from the body that they are no longer recognizable.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2013 :  18:39:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
any news yet Hoxsey ? Prayers are with you, and fingers are crossed for good results....
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2013 :  20:56:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I second that, for the prayers and good wishes. I've complained because I did a small lump near my chin that left a scar, even when it drained some bad teeth I thought were going to require root canals, which caused no trouble after that, but a small scar compared to what you've gone through is nothing. Black salve is harsh and relentless. If cancer has spread, it goes after everything under the surface but at least you have the chance to kill it off including roots, instead of being maimed by surgery which could miss cancer and release cancer cells into the bloodstream. I hope this got it all and that you're able to get successful reconstructive surgery. If there is still any cancer found, bloodroot tablets taken internally might be an option.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2013 :  23:25:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, julypanda. No news yet. Hopefully Monday. Fingers crossed! Djt10, I am unsure of what route I will take if the biopsies come back positive. I hate to have MOHs, but my reconstructive surgery date is looming, and it's $500 to change an appt, and frankly, I can't afford that at this point. I am really ready to get this behind me.. I did take black salve internally, and it may have made me sick ( the meningitis scare) but maybe that was just a mystery illness? I hope it was not related...haven't taken the internal since. On top of it all,the MOHs now scares the hell out of me! I'm afraid of ending p with half of a face left. But I shan't worry bout that till results. Does no good!
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/03/2013 :  23:55:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of my husband's salve treatments triggered a massive detox and he was sick for days--couldn't even keep water down at first. Bloodroot is supposed to be a blood purifier, which means detoxing is going to happen and that's never fun, but it's impossible or at least unwise to try to diagnose someone else's symptoms. It might have been the tablets, or the tablets causing detoxing, or something else. Let's just hope the tests come up negative. The costs for anything medical are outrageous. We do salve because we've got it at home in the fridge. My first choice would be my naturopathic doctor who lives 200 miles away, and her charges are nothing compared to medical but even that and the trip and an overnight stay are hard to manage on a limited income so we take care of things at home.

Treating cancer is one thing. Dealing with the body chemistry that allows cancer to develop is the next step. Hopefully you'll let us know what the test results are as soon as you find out.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/08/2013 :  18:20:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
any news Hoxsey? I am hoping no news is good news...
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/09/2013 :  12:34:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good news! The five biopsies were all negative. I am relieved I don't have to have more MOHs surgery. At the same time, the negative diagnosis also makes me question what happened in my black salve case. I HAVE to be the devils advocate, and consider the possibility that I am an anomaly, and the salve may have just 'burned' everything it touched. My experience just does not fit any other story I have read and heard of in any way! I will still use it if I ever am diagnosed with a skin cancer anywhere on my body, but probably not on my face. I mean, there is no proof that it harms normal cells, but there is not any that it can't, either. What about other skin issues? Was my WHOLE TIP really a bcc? I don't think so, not that large of an area, and if so, what are the chances that I applied the salve to the EXACT edges of it? Remember, the ENTIRE AREA it touched turned into the huge Eschar you see in the previous photos. I have photos of the application, and the application area matches exactly to the Eschar. Maybe my dietary and skin care changes eliminated any remaining bcc? (Resulting in the negative biopsies) We will never know. I am NOT condemning black salve, I am just throwing it out there as a precaution for people searching the internet looking for for answers and experiences with black salve. We dont need a bunch of posts after this claiming proof of the facts. I cannot prove that the whole area was not bcc, but there is no proof that the whole area was, either. (Only the biopsied spot is for sure, which was an area much smaller than the Eschar, a couple millimeters in diameter. ) I cannot help but believe that there can or may be abnormal cases where it may react in an unusual way to certain skin, whether it be some other condition or not. I hate to say that, because I went into this excited to be another success story and to spread the word about this amazing way to cure cancer! It IS and it DOES, but one must consider that it also COULD react to something else. I think Greg Caton had told me that if you have an abundance of yeast internally, it may react. So who knows what happened in my case. All I know now is it led me down a road I never could have dreamed of, and certainly did not expect, or want.

The lesson here? Do your own due diligence. Do your own research, ( I did...but never saw a story like mine happen on the nose) be aware that this stuff is potent, and you COULD end up with an outcome you didn't want or expect. It is possible, so look at all of your options, and whatever you choose, BE RESPECTFUL of natural cures! Nature has its way, you know? I applied a larger spot that I probably should have, and boy, am I paying for it! OR maybe it all was bcc. Still, I had no idea I would be left with a deformity.

Still, I am relieved that there's no more and I can proceed with the start of reconstruction on the 20th!
Big sigh of relief!
Just over a week away!
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/09/2013 :  18:22:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxsey, that is absolutely wonderful news to what has been an epic adventure that you have endured. Yes, I can certainly understand your thoughts. I guess the only way you could have been certain it was all BCC would be to have the eschar biopsied but in Australia you are not allowed to unless it has been removed by a doctor.

Anyway, congratulations on the wonderful news, and I hope and pray that your reconstructive surgery goes smoothly and you end up with a beautiful nose....

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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2013 :  09:39:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I have been following this thread silently for a while as I was waiting for my black salve to arrive in the post. I think that Hoxley's posting has given me a real reality check of the potency of the product. I am so glad that things are finally turning a corner for you, Hoxley; it must have all been such a scary experience (some of it still is, I expect). I am amazed at how much improved your nose is now; I too wish you a beautiful nose! After seeing that you used deep tissue salve - I was careful to buy the regular one.

I am currently self-medicating a lentigo maligna. I have proceeded cautiously, at first unsure of whether it was sun damage of LM. The dermatologist was unsure and wanted to biopsy. I decided to self-medicate first. When she drew me a diagram of the possible huge removal area around the weird big freckle, I was sure I was going to use Cansema. Sure enough, the area I applied it too has indicated the presence of dodgy cells. I applied a little more around the edge and am due to take it off in a couple of hours.

My journey has begun and I am grateful to everyone who has provided testimonials and information.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2013 :  15:28:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Deb,
I hope you have good luck with your use of the salve on your lm. I have never heard of that before, but just looked it up, and understand it can become a form of melanoma. Something to be taken seriously! I'm glad you got some 'caution' from my story as you never know what your outcome will look like, but more than likely, it will be a smooth process! Just be careful with the size area you treat, as you can always go back and reapply. Good luck!
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2013 :  16:09:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've applied black salve to moles where it sat there and did nothing except turn the skin around the mole a little pink, and the same for a treatment on a friend of mine which was done below the stomach on one side which is an area of general application for cancer or something else abnormal inside and had the same reaction--pink skin, no scab. Recently I watered down some salve and rubbed it all over one forearm to test for a reaction. I had a very deep sunburn on both arms several years ago, and they are spotty. I've worried about skin cancer ever since. Watering it down substantially is one way to test for a reaction. One company sells it like that for the same reason. It did raise a bunch of small blisters but they were spaced out and corresponded with the spottiness.

I've read about someone having an eschar laboratory-tested and it came back as "morbid matter" which means pus. Bloodroot kills cancer cells and the immune system liquifies it into pus for the body to dispose of. I think that's what the roots are about, directing waste materials to the surface. Hoxsey, as large and deep as your eschar was, the cancer had probably spread to the tissues in the nose. There might have been a better cosmetic outcome with a much smaller application of salve but not necessarily. I saw online photos of a woman who had stage 4 breast cancer that had spread to both breasts and in between. I think she applied salve to one area, but the massive involvement of tissue caused an equally massive scab to form on the surface above where it was in the tissues instead of being funneled to one single area. I think it said she lost about 2/3 of the breast tissue on the worst side, but it healed up and apparently got all of the cancer.

It's too bad they don't do the Moh's surgery the way he did it. He applied salve to define the area of the cancer. If salve killed healthy tissues internally that wouldn't have worked. Then he would remove the affected area and go again until there was no salve reaction. All the modern day Moh's surgeons have done is to take the idea of doing the tissue biopsy at different levels or locations.

I have to do my breast salve treatment again. I accidentally broke a couple of roots by bumping it while it was firmly attached, and when it was loosely attached I was changing the bandage and the scab was stuck to it and pulled off. Instead of nice red, clean flesh, there were roots remaining and some lumps. Then I did something different which was to make a bloodroot paste without the zinc Chloride and applied it to the raw lesion. The chemical helps it penetrate deeper but most people can't apply salve to raw tissues--the pain is almost unbearable. The paste brought up some weird looking lumps. So, as soon as it's healed over enough to put the actual salve back on, I'll make the salve area a little larger and see what happens. One thing--I don't think the salve burns through skin. When I apply it when there's nothing on the skin surface to start with, like in the case of this breast treatment, I use a sterilized needed to prick the surface of the skin. That's exactly where the first "blister-like" eruptions started on mine but there was no opening in the skin otherwise. It's like this stuff comes to the surface and then has to break through to be disposed of.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2013 :  16:55:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Black%20Salve%20Alternative%20Cancer%20Treatment.pdf This is a huge site with a lot of good information.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  00:08:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://billolearyphuket.com/ArticleView.asp?ArticleID=33 This link is to a photo journal of a man with diagnosed Bcc cancer on the end of his nose. He covered most of his nose with salve, and the pictures show exactly what happened. I think his story and photos will answer a lot of questions. There is also a link towards the bottom with photos and info on his friend's salve treatment. They both had previously had Moh's surgical procedures, I think, or at least the first guy was going to.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  02:51:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Deb,
Welcome to the forum and having your say. Yes, I too was a silent reader, but more and more I feel comfortable in writing something. I wish you well in your journey. It is a bit scary, but so is surgery. Keep us updated with your progress.

Good luck
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  07:20:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Djt10, it's funny, bill oleary's story was the first black salve story I read about. It really helped to see how it worked, from start to finish with great pics. That's why it was such a shock that my whole area applied reacted like it did. He covered his whole nose tip with the salve, and I followed suit.

His result was EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT MY OUTCOME would be! Not so.

We have corresponded, he's a really nice man.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  11:14:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My best guess is the reason it turned out differently in your case was that the cancer in your nose was far more widespread, if not cancerous then pre-cancerous. If it was the same on your forehead, one cancer may have spread that far, but the salve would have gone after what didn't show on the surface also. The Eschar on your nose was attached by a very big root so it was drawing from deeper than just your nose. You may still have saved a lot more nose tissue than surgery would have, and what if surgery had missed some of it? But it's a terrible thing to have it happen on the face, no matter what, not that there's any good place to have cancer. It seems unfortunate that Bill Cleary had to plaster his whole nose in a case where only a small area reacted to the salve, making it seem like a safe thing to do, because when something can be seen on the surface of the skin most people are advised just to cover the affected area, and when we're going after an internal cancer or condition (like cirrhosis of the liver in my husband's case) we still keep the salve area relatively small, like the size of a quarter or less. But ...maybe it needed to happen that way in your case. I've seen very few cases where the scab was that thick and deep, so it could be it needed to happen exactly as it did to save the rest of your face and maybe your life. Of course there's no way to know any of this for certain.

If reference to salve selectivity--I wish I could remember where I read about the case of someone who had an inoperable tumor wrapped around nerves and blood supply in the jaw. Apparently the salve just went after the cancerous tissue and left the artery or vein it was wrapped around untouched. It was probably on one of the salve producer sites but I've read so many cases and gone to so many sites I don't remember where it was.

Now I've got to re-do my breast application and work on bringing my pH up out of cancer range. That's a critically important part of changing the body chemistry into an unfriendly environment. We use pH strips or sticks--strips from a roll in this case. You test your saliva before putting anything in your mouth in the morning, because even water can affect the reading. Or, you can do it if you haven't eaten or drank anything for 2-3 hours. 7.3-4 is healthy, slightly alkaline pH for saliva, which is an indicator of the fluids surrounding cells. 6 and below is cancer range. Normal cells turn cancerous in an acidic medium where they are deprived of normal food and oxygen. Mine tested out as barely 6. It's a major operation to turn that around. When it happened before about 10 years ago (my adrenals crashed and affected everything) I spent about 4 years trying to change my body chemistry. The only thing that finally worked was bottled seawater. I'm doing the pH dietary changes as best I can with something new added there (the baking soda/maple syrup treatment), but I've also ordered seawater. Information on pH is available on many internet sources, but I've also put together a web page for anyone interested. http://truthquest2.com/pHbalance.htm
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  12:59:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update - The weird freckle I put the salve on has turned black - the entire area of salve application. I thought I should put a tiny bit more salve around the edge as I felt that the skin just below the lesion did not behave normally (a bit red before the salve application). I took the plaster off and saw that this area had turned white. 24 hours later - it is still white - including a bit of the salve that leaked out of my plaster to snake up to the tip of my nose. What will happen to these bits of my nose?
I needed no painkillers for this treatment. I do not class what I experienced as pain - more like 'sensation' with some brief itching and light stinging moments. I am grateful for that!
I have searched and found no one on the internet treating a lentigo maligna with black salve; only lentigo maligna melanomas. Certainly, the black salve has revealed that it is wise to take the 'malignant' element of this condition seriously. I did notice how the dermatologist was on the verge of prepping the biopsy trolley even as she was telling me the possible nature (she said 80% chance it is a solar spot, 20% chance a M.L).
My nose looks a bit horrible at the moment but I am getting used to it and comfort myself that things can only get better from now on.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2013 :  15:09:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Deb, have you heard of 'satellite cells'? It could be other little abnormal cells outside of the edges of the actual freckle. I know nothing of your spot, but a lot of times with skin cancers, you will see satellite cells turn white around the cancerous area. Just an idea, doesn't make it so. If it is, the spots will disappear, and you won't even know they were there. Good luck!
Pictures would be helpful.



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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2013 :  05:28:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Deb,

I had a BCC (biopsied) and when I put the black salve on, it immediately started to react, and there was a very strong "throbbing" feeling, burning, itching, pulling and was extremely uncomfortable as the days went on. Pain killers were my friend. I wonder if in fact yours was not a cancer (?), I guess the way to tell, is if an eschar forms out of it all. As Hoxsey says, pictures would be helpful.

Good luck with the process....
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2013 :  07:42:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Julypanda is absolutely correct, I forgot to mention this aspect of it. Also, the worse the cancer, the more painful the reaction, so it may have been some sort of abnormality, just maybe not cancer,
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2013 :  13:06:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I understand it, Lentigo Maligna is described as a pre-cancerous condition which, if left over a number of years can turn into m. melanoma. I avoided the biopsy as I want to minimise any travelling of possible malignant cells. I decided to self-medicate to get shut of it. The dermatologist and myself were on the same page; if it is L.M - get it out. We just preferred different methods. As I did not opt for the initial biopsy, I may never know what it was.
Today, the area is black and slightly concave; something will have to come out/off eventually. It does not seem very deep. The white/yellow area still looks the same.
I may just have got rid of a sun spot: best case scenario. Would the salve turn a sun-spot black? There's so much about this stuff that is still a mystery to me.
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Lily44

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 02/16/2013 :  00:21:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Am I missing something here?

Thanks Lily Deleted the post..can't catch em all appreciate you bringing attention to it.

Tom

Edited by - anivoc on 02/18/2013 15:58:26
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2013 :  12:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On Saturday morning, an eschar did form and come off. It was small and left an according hole in my skin. There was also another smaller but quite deep hole that came from where the salve had snaked off to. The main area of the eschar had a tiny clump of whitish cells underneath - definitely dodgy looking. These were the bits that had appeared as black dots in the freckle. The holes looked granulated and healthy: a nurse friend of mine agreed. They started to close up immediately.

I wonder what the dermatologist will say when she sees the area again, next week?
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2013 :  15:11:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Deb,
All sounds good and exactly how it should happen. I hope it continues to heal accordingly. Will be interesting what the doctors say....

Hoxsey,
Good luck with your reconstructive surgery on the 20th. I will be praying for you. Don't be nervous - just keep thinking of the end result. Keep smiling
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/21/2013 :  15:42:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I second that. Hoxley - by now, I hope you have your new nose!
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/21/2013 :  17:43:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's done! Yesterday I had the forehead flap surgery by Dr. Burget. I just got back to the hotel and am recovering. Stayed overnight in hospital for observation (and a lot of morphine!) I am all bandaged up, so all I can see is my new nose tip! It looks big and weird, but that's how it will look until next surgery when he shapes and trims it up. It will have a much better blood supply by then. He took cartilage from my ear and rib (OUCH!), the rib being the only part really giving me pain, and did a skin graft from my thigh to apply to the underside of the pedicle, to help stop the seeping, and help prevent infection. He's one of the best, It will look as good as it can get when it's done. He's a great surgeon, has a dry sense of humor, and is always joking and isn't snooty with HIS nose stuck in the air! He has many fans at the hospital, people that have known him and worked with him for years.
Anyway, the hardest part is over. I'm hurting so I am going to go nap now. Jeez, what a journey this has been!!

Ps- it's funny... I am experiencing that ghost phenomenon where if I touch my new nose tip, I feel it on my forehead where that skin USED to be! Pretty wild! That will change with time...
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2013 :  01:39:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am so happy for you Hoxsey. So glad that you are finally getting your new nose. Glad the surgery went well, and hopefully as each day passes the pain lessens considerably.

Would love to see photos when you are willing/able.....

Take care Hoxsey. When is your next surgery ?
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2013 :  02:39:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good. I wish you a speedy recovery.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2013 :  20:08:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hoxsey

Jeez, what a journey this has been!!

Ps- it's funny... I am experiencing that ghost phenomenon where if I touch my new nose tip, I feel it on my forehead where that skin USED to be! Pretty wild! That will change with time...



That Ghost thing is REALLY strange. I did not realize that would happen. Sounds like you are in the best hands you could want to be in. Awesome...hoping and praying for all the best in your recovery..

Tom
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2013 :  02:33:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Hoxsey,

Just wondering how your new nose is progressing. I imagine that you will have to wait for the swelling to go down to get a better idea, but at least you are finally on your way to a lovely nose...

take care - thinking of you and praying for you

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dustinedan2

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2013 :  03:11:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many salves, pastes, poultices, and plasters have been applied directly to ... can also burn the surrounding normal tissue and result in unnecessary scarring. ... The second patient successfully eradicated his tumors but sustained severe .... After the salve was applied, her nose became extremely painful and her face swelled ...

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dustinedan2

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2013 :  03:14:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many salves, pastes, poultices, and plasters have been applied directly to ... can also burn the surrounding normal tissue and result in unnecessary scarring. ... The second patient successfully eradicated his tumors but sustained severe .... After the salve was applied, her nose became extremely painful and her face swelled ...

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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2013 :  09:57:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did some research on zinc chloride. It's described as "corrosive" but further examination turned up something interesting. Not to human cells, but to PLANT cells--it will break down cellulose. Cancer has been described as very similar to fungus, which is a form of plant life. So, if cancer cell walls likewise contain cellulose like fungal cell walls, then what the zinc chloride does is to break down the cellulose walls of cancer cells so that bloodroot can penetrate the interior of the cell.


With cancer, you never know how much surrounding tissue is affected, even if it hasn't turned cancerous, it could be precancerous or otherwise abnormal.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2013 :  11:45:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxsey here...
My second surgery is coming up on march 20th. Nose graft (pedicle) looks good, I have been a little concerned about a very small specific spot on the side of my nostril. I really cannot touch it its so painful. I went to an ent and he said its not an abscess, but put me on antibiotics anyway. It still kills, and I am feeling spots that feel a little swollen waaaay up into my mouth, like if you put your tongue up your top gums as far as it can go, it's a little swollen and hurts to touch. But I am on antibiotics, what else is there to do? I suppose dr. Burget will see if anything is wrong when he goes back in. I may post pic soon. Warning, if I Do, it's pretty gross/weird!

I have heard that fungus theory, too.

There was never any swelling, not really, as he did not go in and tear up what was there, he took skin off forehead and attached it.

My nose feels pretty uncomfortable as there is stabbing? Inside nostrils, and the painful spots I mentioned. If I wiggle my nose, it just feels thick and tight. Maybe that will go away after this surgery?

The saga continues...
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2013 :  06:56:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
awww sweetie, not sicko gawkers at all..... I actually think a lot of people feel your pain - I know I do. You have been in my prayers so much,and I wish you nothing but the very best of treatment as well as support. Your photos help to put a face to the story, rather than something to "gawk" at. You have not only been an inspiration to many many skin cancer sufferers but an inspiration to people in general with your tenacity and strength throughout this whole process.

With regards to the "thick and tight" feeling. I have been experiencing that feeling for several months now since using the black salve. I have developed some scar tissue which has attached a small area between my nose and my cheek and "pulls" constantly. Surgery or black salve or both - skin cancer is an awful thing.

Good luck with your next round of surgery Hoxsey, I hope it goes really well for you. Stay strong and Keep smiling.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2013 :  11:46:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you julypanda! Very encouraging and kind words from you! I know there's very few gawkers, and so what. This post evolved so that I could show others what can and may happen in the event they try black salve, to help others educate themselves so they go in with as much knowledge as they possibly can.

Surgery is in three days (wed) but I have been running a low grade fever for the last few days on and off, usually at night, until yesterday when I got home Saturday night, I started fever again and it stayed until last night or this morning.(mon) No other symptoms! I'm on two antibiotics already. So I told dr Burget and he suspected a bladder infection or pneumonia, so I am at my physicians office as precaution to have him listen to lungs and do a urinalysis. If I do have any kind of infection, we have to call the surgery off until I am recovered. I do NOT want that, so please pray that it was my body's response to stress, as the last two weeks were very stressful as my mother suffered a spinal stroke, a very rare event, and spent the last two weeks with her at my home,nursing her and taking care of her as she couldn't do much for herself. I did not get much rest after the first surgery! I think my body just said "ENOUGH"! I mean, I got the fever right after we took her to her home for the weekend. And I am sick of complaining about how tired I am all the time... But I think it's all related. My body needed rest, I got a low grade fever, RESTED all day yesterday, and finally it's down today.

I noticed this morning that the hairs that are now on the tip of the nose pedicle from my forehead, can easily be pulled out, they practically fall out when pulled with tweezers. I don't know if that's a good sign or not! He said he would remove as many follicles as possible this next surgery. Maybe he won't have to?
I am keeping chin up and positive attitude, and with the universe on my side, we will fly to Chicago tomorrow and have surgery as scheduled!

Administrator, I hope this post is still within the subject it's supposed to and is not too far off subject. I think it's related, as my reconstruction is a direct result of using black salve. But I'm just asking...
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2013 :  14:20:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm getting ready to head out to see someone I've never met--to deliver some salve and instructions. Stage 4 cancer of the lungs now spread to the stomach. In operable tumors, one lung already collapsed. This is so hard, dealing with other people's disease, feeling responsible. I told her on the phone, "no guarantees" but what does she have to lose at this point? Sure, pain, scarring, maybe too late--but I can say at least that I'm grateful it's not on the face. That is FAR too traumatic. Hoxsey, I think about you a lot, particularly when I told her we would just do a smaller, quarter-sized area on the stomach and she wondered if it shouldn't cover a much larger area. No one will ever know if doing a smaller salve area on your nose would have had a better cosmetic outcome, because if there was a very large area underneath the skin that was cancerous or heading in that direction, the outcome might have been the same as it all came to the surface, but I'm starting with a coin-sized application on this lady and we'll see what happens from there. In case anyone is wondering, I won't be touching her. I'm going to re-apply salve to my breast since it's healed over now and show her how I do it. She and her husband can take care of it on her. The first person we ever heard of doing the salve was a friend of my husbands since childhood and she wouldn't even talk to us about it. It saved her life so she went out and helped other people do the treatment and then got threatened with arrest and prison for "practicing medicine without a license". I wouldn't mind getting arrested and making an issue out of the whole thing, but I'd rather be able to defend myself than not.
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julypanda

Australia
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  02:03:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good luck for your second round of surgery Hoxsey. I hope that everything goes well for you and your concerns from the previous surgery will all be "normal".

My heart goes out to you. You not only have yourself to worry about, but also now your mum which of course must be quite stressful.

The only advice I can give is take it minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day and try not to think too far ahead.

Prayers for you and for your mum Hoxsey. Take care *hugs*
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Becca

Canada
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Posted - 03/25/2013 :  20:03:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxsey, This is my first posting on this forum. I also had a mishap with black salve on my face and have now had two plastic surgeries to repair the damage. I used the Best on Earth brand as it was the one recommended on blacksalve.com. It didn't only target the spot but all the skin it came in contact with. It was a horrible experience and at first I thought I would never use black salve again. After speaking with a Naturopath in Australia and being sent a different product I have used it several times with great success and it has helped with some other BCC's just as I had seen demonstrated. My heart and prayers go out to you. You will get through all of this but it always takes longer than we would like. I know it's easier said than done but try to keep your stress level down because that can be so hard on your immunity and the healing process. My thoughts are with and your mother. Take good care.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2013 :  20:58:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Becca, black salve doesn't eat through the flesh. If there's no abnormal tissues on top or beneath, it just sits there and does nothing except possible turn the skin a little pink. What happens is that pus and fluids from killed cells rise to the surface and break through. In spite of the quackwatch nonsense which characterizes black salve as something that eats into the flesh as a corrosive agent, zink chloride is only corrosive to cellulose--the material plant cell walls are made of, not human cells. I don't know how the salve finds it's way to internal sites, only that it does, where it apparently kills off abnormal cells after which the immune system must break them down and dispose of them and that seems to follow a pathway back up to where the the salve was applied. If and when there is massive tissue loss, logically it's because that much tissue was affected even if it hadn't been diagnosed yet. Cancer has been likened to yeast, which is a plant. It may be that the chemical is needed to help penetrate cancer cells so the bloodroot can destroy them, but while bloodroot is specific for this pathology, it isn't corrosive and zinc chloride can't break down human cells, so it stands to reason what was destroyed was abnormal tissues.

I'm working with someone right now who has stage 4 lung cancer, inoperable, one collapsed lung, and it's apparently spread to her stomach and beyond. She's so sick and weak I hated to get involved, but couldn't say no. My homemade salve is good, I'm doing a treatment on myself right now, in fact the second round because I accidentally broke some of the roots off during the first application and you never want that to happen. They need to die and dissolve on their own. But this poor woman--I had her husband use a sterile needle to slightly prick the surface of the skin before applying the salve just to help it along. This is supposed to be a 24hr application, but they've kept applying black salve for the last week because she's barely getting a reaction to it--just little tiny blisters of pus where the skin was pricked and the rest of the area hasn't even turned red yet. I'm going back there tomorrow and I'll see if I can take a photo of how little the salve is working on her, not because the salve isn't good, but because her immune system is so weak it's hardly doing anything. I don't know if there's any help for her or not. We're doing bottled seawater and the maple syrup/soda treatments to try to bring her pH up to a more alkaline level, and the Dr. Budwig shakes to get some of the all-important omega-3 oils into her system, and I just gave her husband instructions on a form of hydrotherapy to kick up her blood circulation and hopefully immune response, and I made her a half-gallon of fresh vegetable juice to drink, but whether she fully cooperates in her own healing process remains to be seen--she was hoping salve would be a quick fix but it just doesn't work that way. No immune system, no cancer salve doing it's job. And no changing the body chemistry means the the cancer-causing conditions remain the same.

On the other hand, keeping the salve area as small as possible is always desirable for internal cancers and for external lesions people usually cover the whole thing which is normally something small on the surface, but salve is pretty relentless. It's too bad that when pus is coming to the surface it seems to follow however widespread the salve was applied but it can get bigger. I put a tiny dot of salve on a tiny hard bump beside my chin and ended up with an eschar the size of a dime, and then a narrow scar but it drained copious amounts of material so I guess the tiny little opening I thought would do the job wasn't enough.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2013 :  23:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Hoxsey, I hope you are doing well...

I wanted to ask djt10 to go to a blog I created recently that has videos about (Schumann Resonance)
http://bioconsciousness.blogspot.com

I have used biofeedback myself some time ago and perhaps the woman with the cancer can become more balanced were she to get outdoors and try to look at the sun if she can.

It is becoming more clear that even the cavemen are considering low vitamin D absorption as a problem in cancer cases. The other side of it is that the (Circadian Rhythm) has been known to be the culprit with immune systems especially in the elderly. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=circadian+&btnG=Submit

Depending upon where she lives, it would not surprise me if she got more from being outside now that it is spring and she does not have to stay inside away from the sun and the earth.

Be Well Always,

Bonder

www.canceramerican.com

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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  01:30:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Right on, bonder. I was at her house yesterday and asked her to please go outside and lay in the sun as much as possible. We're in Eastern WA and are beginning to have beautiful, sunny days although it's not exactly warm yet. In fact, I suggested she lay on a blanket on the ground. The electromagnetic field of the earth and sunlight are terribly important and unfortunately the kind of shoe soles we all wear now (that wasn't a problem with leather soles) are a boundary to the healing force of the earth, but sunlight is more critically important. In fact, I found a couple of studies claiming that Vit D pills may do more harm than good. Fish oil like cod liver oil is good but according to the late Dr. Budwig, people with cancer do not assimilate oils well, which is why she has us mix a high-sulfur content protein like cottage cheese with a seed oil like flaxseed oil to make the oil water soluable and able to get through the smallest capillaries. But the point is, sunlight is the best source of the critically important D, and we need it. In fact, I think I've got a page on my website about sun-gazing (too many pages over a 10-year period), or at least I've read a lot about it. Was that Tesla who talked about the life force from direct sunlight? Orgon energy, I think? I'll be very interested in looking at your site. Thanks. I have to go back tomorrow, so I'll work on the lady but she's the type if it doesn't taste good she doesn't want to eat it, or if it doesn't feel good it's too much bother. Not an easy person to try to help, but she's very, very weak and ill so you just do what you can and hope she's up to a better effort. At least her husband is very much supporting all of this and willing to do whatever he can for her.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  01:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The bio-feedback site looks fascinating, particularly coming from a military base we've been on many times, most recently for a relative's retirement ceremony (we're retired military). I'll get on that tomorrow for myself and go from there. The lady sits at a table where there's a laptop right there. I'll report back.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  01:49:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder if that's anything like Dr. Coldwell's mental entrainment stress reduction program? I did that and brought my blood pressure down 10 points, where it stayed. It seemed to dial me down a notch to a more peaceful level.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  06:27:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Djt 10,I used the Budwig diet during my healing (wonderful) I think leonard Coldwell is more about anxiety in his package and the biofeedback was more about learning to hear your brain lol....

I sat there and controlled music just by focusing while connected to terminals.

Glad to see you know so much about this, when I looked into this stuff for cancer, I knew that I took in so much just from standing in the ocean
and that being inside during the colder seasons were hardest on me but, had no clue about the 7.83 Hz level....

This is Hoxsey's module so, out of respect, if you want to chat a bit more just go to http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1073 or look for bonder with approx 10,000 views. I will be back here a bit more hopefully.

Be Well Always,

Bonder
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  08:41:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Right, I didn't mean to hijack salve business with something interesting to me, but this is also cancer business. By seawater, I meant bottled seawater to drink--the best thing I've ever found for helping to make an acidic pH more alkaline, but breathing and standing in seawater is also good. And anything that helps anxiety and normalizing brainwave activity is also good. But I will go to that link instead of here. Meanwhile, back to trying to figure out what to do about someone whose salve treatment just isn't kicking into gear.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  11:28:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re: Salve not kicking into gear

Well, here I go again, trying to offer too much info for my own good but, people are important. So, Djt10, if the lady is picky about what she eats then, she may very well just not get any better (period)...

Obviously you have lots of experience and I don't even know where to find you to offer this but, here is what allows me to be somewhat conscious and one of very few people with seizures that did not take meds most of my lifetime.

The Ketogenic Diet (limiting glucose and feeding from fat cells)

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2012/december/starving-cancer-ketogenic-diet-a-key-to-recovery/

Starving Bad Cells

"Although it wasn't easy, Hatfield stopped eating carbohydrates, which turn into glucose inside your body. Cancer cells love glucose and need it so badly, that if you stop giving it to them, they die."

"It just absolutely amazes me that medical science is just now finding this out," he said.


Well Djt10, apparently for some strange,unknown,hard to understand reason, Medical science is only now realizing that too much glucose might just have a factor in cancer treatment. Imagine that.....

Her husband may want to study this and if she wants to live much longer, she may just have to starve the cancer cells while the Bloodroot basically (unmasks) the cancer for the immune system to mop up.

I hope you do enjoy the Biofeedback and 7.83 Hz videos with tones.

Bravo to you for helping others.

Be Well Always,

Bonder








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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2013 :  12:40:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That was one of the first things I told the husband--cancer loves glucose.

I just took a phone call from that woman's brother-in-law, my husband's best buddy. The woman--Darlene--died about an hour ago. Her ankles were getting swollen when I saw her Sunday, and apparently it was because her kidneys were shutting down, but it was a stroke that killed her. I already knew her immune system must have been shot because there was almost no response to the salve at all after applying it fresh daily for a week instead of just the first 24 hours. In fact, I was just about to head up to her house with a camera to take a photo--just to prove that salve isn't corrosive in itself. Her skin didn't even get red. She had a few tiny little slightly raised pustules where I had him lightly prick her skin for better entry, but that's all after a week. Mine on the other hand, the second application, in that same time frame was draining fluid and pus, raised a scab and is still going.

I feel sick. My husband just got back from town and I have to break the news to him. He's known them for years--I just met them for the first a week ago.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 03/28/2013 :  20:44:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Becca- thanks for your post...wow. So the entire area reacted? How large a spot did you apply the salve to? What part of your face did you have the basal cell on? And I'm curious as to why you think it just reacted to normal skin? Could the whole spot have been cancer? I still have to question my reaction, so I just wonder what made you think it 'burned' your skin as opposed to the possibility that the whole area was cancerous. Do you have photos? I would really be interested in seeing pics, privately, even, if that would help.?

The bills are coming in, and it's now scaring me as to what my insurance will and won't pay for. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to be in debt to medical bills for the next ten years or so. Just when i was about to get out of debt. I had NO idea that the hospital would be so much, and I tried to ask prior to the surgery, but they just cannot/will not tell you. Plus, somehow my first surgery ended up costing around 24,000 instead of 17,000. Arrrrrrgh!!! I NEVER expected any of this to happen. Dammit!!!!.....
Ok, enough venting-

Djt10- I am so sorry for you and your husbands loss of his friend. How wonderful it was of you to try to help her all you could...

The surgery was easy this time. It's (the nose tip) starting to take shape as he lifted the end and shaped it a little, and now it will take a little time for the skin to start with 'collagen contraction' and begin to sort of Saran Wrap around the cartilage underneath. Next and hopefully last surgery will be in 6 weeks. I will upload a pic or two soon, but probably not tonight. He did not stitch the forehead, said my skin was still a little tight, and will do so next surgery. It's still a big gaping open wound, but I trust Dr. Burget. It's still very strange and a little scary to look at right now. It's like ' how the heck is this ever going to heal without leaving a huge scar?' But he knows his stuff, so big open wound it is!

Oh, and thank you julypanda, for your words of encouragement.... Oh, and my mom has gotten better... She is nowhere close to normal yet, but walks with a walker or her walking sticks, and she did get to come with me to Chicago.
The saga will continue...
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