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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 10/16/2012 :  15:11:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Bonder!
Well, I have the dumbing down of America still in my open window of many to watch... I had to go to YouTube to get the full version.( you are referring to the story of the dad who wanted his son to study max gerson?) I think that's the one? Correct me if I am wrong...

Now, I am struggling to understand your last post... News? What news? What did you mean about me searching the uk google black salve? Forgive me, but I' am completely lost at what all of that meant. A I missing something?

How bout the hole in my nose? What you think/ever seen such a deep case in that region?

One question, for anybody that may have official proof or know for scientific fact which of these two opinions are correct...,. (I am starting to believe that either way will suffice and will heal pretty much the same either way) i keep hearing 'keep it covered/moist', then 'keep it open, let it breathe', bask and forth, back and forth. The last thing I remember reading, from what source, I cannot honestly say at this point, that wounds scar less, or heal faster/better by keeping moist. I keep them covered with aquaphor, and pure vitamin e oil, so far at least, but am really worried I may make the wrong choice, as my nose will need all the help it can get!
Help?
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Lily44

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 10/16/2012 :  16:25:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your "battle scars" seem to be filling in already. Maybe you'll only need a minimal amount of corrective surgery.

I don't know which is correct, moist or dry.

I had a large cysts removed from the top of my hand in March. The doctor said to keep it dry, and uncovered. It got to looking cruddy, with redness and swelling. I mixed up some Neosporin and honey, and smeared it on. I kept a bandage on it most of the time, especially at night. When I went back for a check-up he said it looked good. I didn't tell him I disobeyed his orders. Now the scar is barely visible.

Best of luck to you.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 10/16/2012 :  16:45:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lily- heck, I almost now HAVE TO do my own research on o conventional doctors 'orders', ya know? Glad your scar is barely there... As I said before, I am starting to believe its going to be fine either way. I am not doing both... Leaving it open for short times, and keeping it covered, most of the time.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/16/2012 :  18:30:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, its pretty hard to get a decent opinion these days....

On www.canceramerican.com there are 2 videos from Dr. Russell Blaylock, the short one actually refers to (the dumbing-down of society) and the longer one tells quite a bit about (excitotoxins.)

All I can say is keeping things moist worked out quite well for me I feel.



Be Well Always,

Bonder

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Lily44

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2012 :  16:25:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bonder:
Looking good.

Hoxsey:
You haven't posted in a few days. I was just wondering if the spots are filling in.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2012 :  13:52:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanx Lily,

I am sure I won't ever be the same as before but,considering my obstacles lately I am pleased enough....

I am wondering if Hoxsey will ever post again after I found her face pic displayed on the U.K. Google link from my post
above ? It may be a bit scary if someone is new to this stuff.
I must say, she seems remarkably composed about it all which is in her favor.

For a wound as small as hers, the results seem uncommon to me and my research into Black Salve which I don't like to see but, all one can do is try to help.

I am relation to a government lawyer and my research is probably different than most.

A bit off the mark but today on www.canceramerican.com I found this link that may be hopeful for cancer in men if anyone thinks there may be a problem.
http://www.nanowerk.com/news2/newsid=26984.php

Be Well Always,
Bonder




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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2012 :  16:09:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lily-
I am doing ok, thank you. I am pretty certain I will need reconstructive surgery on my nose. It sucks, but it's my reality.
But no, I don't regret going this route. I believe I have more tissue to work with now, than I would have had if I elected to get MOHs.
But the edges are healing up well, and my forehead looks really good. I will say that if anyone else chooses to use black salve, and it's on your nose or face, do it in SMALL sections. When I do this again on my face, I will only use about a pea size on the area. I have now seen people say that about the nose or face, but unfortunately for me, I didn't see it before, even with all of the research I did.

What I still haven't figured out yet, is how to go about figuring out if I have more. (Without the rest of my nose going with it...) Since the entire area that got black salve reacted, it seems to me there could be more where I didn't apply the salve. So I am unsure about what to do before I get surgery. I'd hate to get surgery only to have to have MOHs done on it again : /
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2012 :  19:57:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Hoxsey you're a brave and gutsy gal. I really appreciate you sharing your experience, albeit not a fun one, with us here.

In regards to plastic surgery and your concern of is "if there's more" here's my thoughts..just my belief and perspective from my own experience so far.

I believe there is more..but to clarify...in different stages of evolution. For those of us that seem to be prone to developing skin cancer, areas that have been exposed more to UV (Face, Head, Neck, Shoulders and Arms)are more apt to be the problem areas than areas without sun damage. I believe any area that has been burned several times on we fair skinned suseptibles is weakened or is in the slow process of evolving from healthy to unhealthy tissue. As it was explained to me by Dr. Larson , the bloodroot paste unmask the unhealthy tissues own defense mechanism ( that allows it to not be attacked by white blood cells) When unmasked the white blood cells attack and kill what they see as an intruder. I believe that it not only exposes tissue that has become cancerous but also pre cancerous tissue. Skin cancer doesn't just happen over night and where a BCC exist today, skin that was on the edge of very healthy and just beginning to become what is labeled Actinic Keratosis existed years ago.

That said I am pretty sure if I rubbed bloodroot all over my face I'd be in for a world of hurt..All over an area where "the sun don't shine" and no problem at all.

I know you get what I mean because you've just gone through a major battle.


Clearly some people can have serious sun damage, I mean blistered skin damage many times in their life and never even get a pimple.. It has been my observation that these are people who "tan easily" or are darker skin colored. I have a lot of Mexican and Italian friends who played out in the sun just as much or more than me growing up ...no problems..A lot of Caucasian friends that weren't as fair as me ..no problems..Even my siblings and cousins..Out of about 50 cousins on my Mom's side there are about 7 of us who have been dealt the skin cancer fun and games.. None on my Dads side.

So anyway back to your nose and the plastic surgeon.. I'd wait another month and see how well you heal up and in the mean time bone up on your plastic surgeon options / choices. Then get at least a couple of opinions and have them discuss your options and how they plan to go about it.

When I spoke to one here in Cali he told me if I wanted he could "harvest" ( gotta love that word ) healthy skin..from an area "where the sun don't shine" to fix my forehead scars.

The plastic surgeon that Bonder posted work of is amazing but then again those may be the cream of the crop of good results.

Well it's a journey and we're on it..and breathing..just went to a buddies funeral last Saturday who passed away 18 months from diagnosis of lung cancer.

I'll take life with the scars and hassle with dealing with these darn lesions over not being able to be with my family and enjoy the grandkids.

Hang in there and best of luck on your road to recovery.

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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2012 :  20:19:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah the good ol days...This is what I used first..the real deal for Horsies...


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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2012 :  20:43:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So is that black salve for horses?

I'm about to post updated pics... I am looking into seeing the doc in Arizona that Bonder posted about.
I also am concerned that my forehead scar may make the forehead flap not workable, as I assume that the forehead flap may be what they recommend doing. You're right, this all is better thn being in the ground! I'm hoping my better eating habits will eradicate any other possible cancerous areas.
My nose really has filled in quite a bit! Just not enough. I am going to wait, let it heal as much as possible, and look at doctors in meantime, and go to some consults.
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2012 :  02:28:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes Hoxsey xxterra made by Larson Labs is just a standard bloodroot paste mix. Dr. Larson started using it on Horse Sarcomas I believe @ 20 years ago..
He had a relative that was supposed to come up with a version for people but with all the weird things happening with the FDA and their legal attack on Caton and a few others I think he got spooked away from trying.

Healing up nicely keep up the good work.
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 11/05/2012 :  09:18:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Sadly it seems that some folks end up (still) wanting a doctor to cover up problems on their face but, my hope is that due a lot to this forum that need will be much less.

It has become clear that modern medicine has become quite a money-making industry and with the packaged and the fast food we are offered, a person should definitely become more knowledgeable about what it can do to us if we are not careful.

About moist wound-healing...

http://www.squidoo.com/heal-open-wounds-faster

Be Well Always,

Bonder
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2012 :  18:22:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all...
I am still in limbo here. Today I went to my dermatologist intending to have it biopsied to be sure there is nothing more. My derm wasn't there today, so we did not biopsy. Now I am glad, as I spoke to Greg Caton today, briefly, but in that time, I feel that there MAY be a chance that this could fill in. I emailed him my photos, and am waiting to hear back from him. That's my update for now...
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2012 :  18:44:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What do you guys think? After seeing my pics, I would love to hear your individual guesses as to
1. If it will fill in flush with my remaining skin.
2. If you think it will look normal enough to not have surgery.

Looking forward to your guesses! (Don't take this too seriously by the way!)
hoxsey
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2012 :  21:32:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Hoxsey..

I'd be surprised if it filled in all the way but anything is possible.
The depth yours went is much deeper than I have seen on anyone else. The tip of the nose is a meaty area and you went deep.

The hole in my nose was much smaller but healed up and filled in awesome. 10 years later there is a slight straight line where the hole was.. Of course I was 10 years younger (@48 at the time)and healed easier then.







After @ 2 months


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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2012 :  18:46:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anivoc, I covet your lil spot!
As it turns out, this nose will not be able to heal by itself and look normal. this is per two surgeons, a dermatologist and from the mouth of Greg Caton himself. It's decision time, and today I opted out of getting it biopsied, as he cannot really do a few biopsies and call it clear, instead, he has to do a full MOHs excision of the entire wound, and then he would want to proceed with MOHs removal from there if he finds more. I figure, and am only slightly hesitant to do this, but I have the best test for whether more is there or not in my hands. I will use small amounts of black salve around the areas that were treated to see if there is more. Am I scared to do this? You bet your arse I am, partly out of fear of how much more there may be, and part from what I know people will think about my decision and how stupid they may view it to be if the results are less than desirable. In my heart of hearts, I just somehow KNOW this stuff works and only kills cancer cells. But even so, I sometimes don't trust my instincts, and I hate that aspect of myself, but it is true.

So, I will possibly start the process tonight, and I am not planning to leave the salve on for the full 24 hours, but maybe twelve or less. Ready or not...

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Lily44

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2012 :  21:57:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I would try to find a milder salve, with less zinc chloride in it to use on my face. Best Wishes to you.
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2012 :  22:46:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry for the diagnosis but I was pretty sure that was where it was going..it was deep.

If you have already jumped into the water,.... well let it happen. I am hoping that you get no effect..here's the deal.. as I already mentioned I KNOW bloodroot paste does not react to my healthy skin ...that said I do believe it will react to precancerous cells as well as full on basal or squamous cells..That's the rub.

Not sure if you watched the video I posted on anti-angiogenic's
Here.. http://topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1342 or gone through the two post I posted in that thread but I recommend you do.
Science and medicine are on to some new paradigms and revelations in cancer. Though certainly Big Pharma likes to make money..There are humans behind the walls of big pharma with family members and friends they love.. This medical development thing is a clumsy and arduous process but we are really making gains.. Hope we live long enough to enjoy the results.

I believe the orange oil, cymilium, vinegar, astaxanthin, iodine, baking soda and a litany of other products all serve to promote a antiangiogenic effect..whereas Bloodroot paste and petty surge pretty much just pull the cancers covers so that the white blood cells can attack and kill it whamo..that is good and bad...reversing the process, slowing or shrinking the growth seems like a much more civil and less skin damaging approach.

The whole purpose of me trying all these other methods was to find that softer more gentle way... so far not so much..but definitely keeping things pushed back ..

However you proceed I wish you the best and prayers heading out for you and your journey in this battle.

Edited by - anivoc on 11/07/2012 22:53:55
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2012 :  23:09:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxsey,


Do yourself a favor and get someone to help you with the next decisions you want to make.

This stuff is very hard on us alone...

Here are some common (Antiangiogenic Foods) to starve cancer cells.
Maybe try to incorporate them into your diet.

The Video from TED about eating to starve cancer is now at the top of www.canceramerican.com

Be Well Always,
Bonder




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Lily44

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 11/20/2012 :  15:28:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxsey,

You haven't posted in a while, just wondering how things are going.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2012 :  04:38:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Hoxsey,

I am new to join, but had previously read your story. I pray that everything is going ok for you. You are one very brave person !!!
Take care. I hope you can update or just say hello so I know that you are alright.
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2012 :  17:31:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry to not get back right away, lily. I had been kind of taking a mental vacation from this issue.

I went to see dr. Gary Burget in Chicago last week for a consult. Previously, I went to another surgeon in Pensacola. I think I'll choose to have the guy that wrote the nasal reconstruction manual to re build my nose! In the meantime, I will have to have a full MOHs excision performed to get the all clear so that insurance will pay their part. Surgery will start in February. Dr. Burget said it will take from 4-6 surgeries altogether. He will take cartilage from my rib to reconstruct the missing cartilage, and perform a forehead flap to replace skin for the nose. That first surgery will take about eight hours. Four to six weeks later, I will go back for him to cut the wonderful pedicle(sp?) I am so looking forward to, and re shape the tip. The third surgery will be some refinements, as well as the possible next two.

No, I did not expect it to be so involved, but there it is.

In the meantime, I have been taking the liquid form of black salve, called tonic iii internally. (I spoke with greg caton from alpha omega and he advised me to do this as my great fear was going in for mohs and coming out with an even bigger defect! the black salve has been 'saying' that there is more, so you can understand my apprehension. I must say, The FIRST DOSE I took was quite scary to take, as my face reacted so 'violently' to the black salve. Yes, I took a smaller portion than rx'd, you better believe it! No side effects, it's pretty hard to get down, but I mix it with a little chocolate almond milk and pinch my nose to get it down. About two weeks ago, I tried the salve around my nose, and it really didn't react anymore, so that is uplifting that it is working. I hope it is!
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2012 :  01:33:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Hoxsey,
I am so glad that you are ok, although it sounds like you have a big road ahead of you. Did you end up reapplying more black salve after the photos that you posted. Your last post said that you were going to go again. Do you regret doing it ?
I too toyed with mohs vs salve, especially because of the cost involved and the disfigurement i expected from surgery. I did quite a lot of research and spoke to a few people (although saw your post after I had started). I opted for Black Salve. It has now been two months and I have quite a lumpy scar and I sometimes have a little bit of "odd" pain in the area. Don't know whether to do it again, even a bit scared to do it again, and don't know whether i took the right option. So I can certainly appreciate your "mental vacation from the issue". I hope you are not going through this alone and have someone to help you. I certainly have been thinking about you and hoping all is ok.
Take care Hoxsey......
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 12/23/2012 :  12:12:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My family has used black salve since 1986. Pictures and info on the home page of my website http://truthquest2.com which has several other linked pages. The reason why surgery rarely succeeds is because tumors have roots. They can remove a tumor/cancer mass but not the roots unless it's like a dog I treated with just bloodroot paste, before we had the actual salve. The dog kept biting at the tumor near her anus as it was turning gray and dying, so I took her to the vet and he removed what was left of the external tumor and then went after the root which went clear to the end of her tail. Unfortunately, we don't get roots that can be removed like that. The salve kills the roots, which then release the "eschar". You NEVER want to remove on your own. It needs to fall out by itself. The Alpha Omega lab makes what used to be called "Cansema" --the most famous salve in the world. The kind we use we made ourselves from a formula out of a 150-year-old book, and it's simpler--just bloodroot, zinc chloride, white flour and water. I don't know if it's as good as Cansema, but it works. But this formula calls for a second light salve (which is easy to make)used in between black salve applications until it's completely healed over. It's a drawing/healing salve. Salve isn't gentle. A small spot on the skin can hide a much larger area in the tissues and it goes after everything that's there, so if there's widespread involvement in the deeper tissues, like there apparently was on Hoxey's nose, it's going after all of it. We always do a small test patch after the first treatment has healed up. It does sometimes take more than one application, for sure if any of the roots break off from the scab prematurely, like what happened to me when I was pulling the eschar up to take pictures once and another time when the dog jumped on me and hit the scab. If there's any bleeding, that has probably happened although you usually know because of the pain. One of the most unusual reasons we used it for was my husband's cirrhosis of the liver. Over a couple of years we did it 4 times. The third time, the salve triggered a massive detox through the bowels (black tarry substance) and he was so sick for several days he couldn't even keep water down, so we went to our naturopath who verified that he was detoxing. She gave him liver glandular protomorphogens to support his liver. This was before he even quit drinking for good. The cirrhosis was diagnosed at the veteran's hospital the first time he went in for rehab. The second time, several years later, there was no more cirrhosis, so the treatment and detox it triggered completely cured him.
I've read up on the Moh's treatment extensively. Originally, Mohs used salve to identify and isolate cancer, which was then cut out and the procedure repeated until they found borders that were cancer-free. He didn't even allow the salve to complete it's work. It left disfigurement as any surgery does, and I don't know how successful it was. Certain more than conventional surgery. However, the "modern" treatment doesn't used salve at all. They just start cutting into a cancer, testing borders, cutting more and doing the same. Personally, that is a skin cancer treatment I would never do, any more than I'd do regular surgery. It's too easy to miss cancer cells, and there's still the problem with roots left to regrow a cancer. Salve is my second choice of treatment. My naturopath cured stage 2 stomach cancer in 5 weeks, around 1979. No scars, no disfigurement, but 2 weeks of spontaneous detoxification was something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy--unless it was to save his life. Salve treatment is cheap, at home, and effective although one needs to also change the conditions which allowed a cancer to grow, which means a different diet, better lifestyle, changing an overly acidic internal environment into a more alkaline one (pH), getting the nutrition you need to repair and rebuild the health, like omega-3 oils, etc. (Dr. Budwig), a lot of raw food/juices with enzymes. Pancreatic enzymes. It's important to treat the liver and pancreas. Changing one's body chemistry is not an easy task, but it's part of the long term healing process.
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 12/24/2012 :  20:20:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you djt10 for your informative post. You mention that black salve is your second choice of treatment. Maybe I missed something but I didn't get from your post what your first choice is. Could you please tell us what your first choice of treatment for skin cancer is? Thank you.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 12/24/2012 :  20:59:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Around 1979 I was desperately ill and found my way to a brilliant naturopathic physician, the late Dr. Harold Dick, N.D. who diagnosed stage 2 stomach cancer, chronic bronchitis, arthritis, ovarian cysts, an unhealed injury to my thigh, low thyroid, anemia and a heart murmur. The stomach cancer was the basis of most of it, but the ovarian cyst was a "hot" acute infection which was also poisoning me and causing the heart problems. He did a one-of-a-kind blood test, the Carroll test for digestive enzyme deficiency food intolerances, which also picks up primary tissue salt deficiencies. This is a problem almost all people have, but few know about. The lack of enzymes for certain foods, food groups and food combinations which means digestion and assimilation is incomplete, leading to toxins which basically poison us. He gave me the tissue salts (also called cell salts or mineral salts), glandular protomorphogens which rebuild healthy glands rather than replacing hormones and further suppressing glandular function, and I took treatments for 5 weeks--Constitutional Hydrotherapy which increases blood circulation and jump-starts the immune system. The last two weeks as I recovered, I went into a spontaneous detoxification as my body threw off a lot of poisons. It was awful, like the worst flu and body fluids making their way out anyway they could, through the lungs, sinuses, skin, bowels, etc. But when it was over, one day short of 5 weeks, he checked my heart and said I was ready to go home. All of the pain was gone and for the next 20 years I had better health than I've every experienced in my life, even as a child. Then, I let stress create a new set of problems, but that's a different story. I went back later and spent 2 1/2 years with the doctor as a lay student planning on writing a book about his methods, which are not like other naturopaths, but that "book" turned into a book length website instead. That would be my first choice of treatment, but his daughter who did a residency with him and took over his practice when he died has her office 200 miles away. The whole diagnostic process is now around $300, and going there for treatment would mean having to stay there and pay for lodging as well as treatment, which is around $150 a week now. Cheap by most standards, but not with a limited retirement income. (I'm 65) So, we do the poor man's treatment at home. Black salve has been miraculous, but it's messy and potentially painful. So, if I could afford it, I'd go with the naturopath, but given the circumstances, we do salve treatments. However, to back that up, we know how to eat and do other kinds of supporting therapy like enzymes, superfoods, seawater, glandulars, and a home version of hydrotherapy. You can get rid of tumors and cancer with salves, but one still needs to work on changing the body chemistry that allowed cancer to develop, so it won't come back. We were lucky enough to find a doctor now described by some as a "naturopathic oncology pioneer" who gave us the tools to deal with almost anything. Combining that with salve treatment, which works for far more problems than most people could even imagine, makes us very, very lucky. So yes, given the choice I'd leave almost everything in the hands of the second generation of naturopaths, (actually the third generation, because Dr.Dick did his residency with Dr. Carroll who developed his methods outside of his formal naturopathic training) but nothing would convince me to throw out the jar of black salve I made at home that has been in my fridge for several years. I'm just about to use it on myself again. I got a very, very bad sunburn several years ago on my hands and arms that I think has gone bad and I'm going to do a treatment, not only for myself but so my best friend with possible breast cancer can watch the progress. I'm hoping she'll use it herself but she's scared. The alternative is a breast biopsy, and if possitive, surgery, radiation and chemo. Chemo has something like a 3.1 overall success rate, which means still alive at 5 years, but not necessarily at 6 years. Anyway, I'll be taking pictures of my next treatment and will start a website page.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 12/24/2012 :  21:07:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just read over my post and saw a bunch of typos and misspellings. Sorry, I'm a former school teacher and not really that illiterate. Also, I said "3.1" overall success rate for chemo, but that's wrong. A study done in Australia comparing American and Australian statistics listed that as 2.1 percent, not 3.1% "success" rate for chemo. Oddly enough the stats for "spontaneous" cure of cancer is around 5% which means you have better odds of recovery doing nothing rather than getting chemo.
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 12/25/2012 :  22:16:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks djt10 for your helpful reply. Looks like there is lot of great information on your site and I'm looking forward to studying it to see what is needed to bring one's body back to a good state of health. Best wishes.
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Salver2013

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 12/31/2012 :  15:29:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's important to remember one important thing. Black Salve is a cancer treatment. That means it is serious business and a few rules should be followed.

Firstly, treat only one area at a time and keep the treatment areas quite small (eg: 1cm2) This is particularly important for your first treatment and any treatment involving the nose.

It is very common for the eye area to swell if they is any application near the eye area or if the cancer you are treating has spread to this area.

I treated an area beside the nose and my eye puffed up but this lasted only a couple of days. If you find pics of skin cancer surgery near or around the eye, that same swelling is evident. It is just temporary.

Remember to rest and nourish your body and mind during treatment. This is a cancer treatment and care must be taken.
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julypanda

Australia
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Posted - 01/01/2013 :  19:13:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks Salver for your message. You forget sometimes that skin cancer is quite serious and not just a simple skin condition. I am still treating my scar in the hope that it will flatten out a bit.

Hoxsey, I hope you are doing well.. Thinking about you.
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aehinkley

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Posted - 01/03/2013 :  18:08:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Hoxsey,

I hope all is going well for you. Do you have any updates on your situation? And how your nose is healing.
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phxvalleygirl

USA
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Posted - 01/20/2013 :  19:15:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aehinkley

Hello Hoxsey,

I hope all is going well for you. Do you have any updates on your situation? And how your nose is healing.



I have been following her posts as well and would love to know how she is doing. on 12/21/12, I did MY ENTIRE FACE all at once...my friend had done 1/2 face at a time, so I thought I'd save time. It was an ordeal, and there were a couple days that my eyes were so swollen that I could not see. It sucked everything out of my sinuses (it's a drawing salve) and I had stinky mucous coming out of the side of my nose. I have a small gouged out area on the side of my nose and it could have been MUCH worse. I did think that I had a hole in my nose.

I did my chest about 6 days ago and I have a huge eschar forming near my breast bone. It pulled all sorts of phlegm, etc. from my lungs, I believe.

I'm with all those who recommend going lite on the ears and nose, especially. Small amounts...

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phxvalleygirl

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2013 :  19:24:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A friend of mine went to the allopathic doc to have cancer cells cut from her face. Well, she had no idea that they would make an incision about 4 inches across her cheek and then SCOOP out a section 4 inches long...as if someone had taken a melon baller and just scooped it out! Then, they closed the gap and stitched it shut. She said that they could barely keep the area closed with stitches. It formed a ghastly scar.

She tried black salve from www.bestonearthproducts.com (only saying this, in case there is a difference in the different black salve recipes) and applied it to the scar area. It lit up and everything... well, after three times of doing her face, the scar is barely noticeable on her face! That means that it compensated for the are where the flesh had been cut out by the docs!!!

This is just too amazing to have a product that will go in and excise what is unwanted and replace with the proper DNA structure of flesh/skin that should be there!
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  03:22:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi valleygirl

I used the black salve from bestonearth. I had a small bcc in the crease of my nose, however the area where the eschar formed was considerably larger. The pain was almost unbearable and I have been left with a scar, but it has only been about 3.1/2 months so I am hoping in time it will improve. It is certainly a better option to surgery, but care should certainly be taken.
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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 01/21/2013 :  09:46:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all for inquiring. There's not much to update yet, but I will try...
I still wear a bandage on my nose to spare people from seeing it. It still looks like the last pics I posted, it's not going to miraculously heal and grow back like a lizards tail. ( I wish!) My dermatologist decided to just do a few biopsy scrapings around the edges of the area instead of doing a full MOHs excision of the area, and I am very relieved of that. It turns out that Dr. Burget is NOT in network with my insurance, so this is going to wipe me out financially. That fact is the hardest pill to take of this entire journey. So now I am getting my affairs in order with the cost and taking time off work. Burget is out of town until the fifth of February, so my surgery won't be before then. I am starting to get nervous about the actual surgery. I think I have sort of been in denial about what has happened, as a way to cope, but the surgery date getting closer is forcing me to face it. (No pun intended!) I even looked up the cost of getting a prosthetic as a way to escape going under the knife! (That idea only lasted for a day.)

In a way, I cannot believe this has happened to me. I'll never know what would have happened had I opted for the MOHs surgery on my nose instead of using black salve. (theres always the question in the back of my mind- did the salve just somehow react weird on me and 'burn' my nose off? Or was that WHOLE area really bcc?) My sanity needs me to believe that if I'd had MOHs, they would have cut out just as much or more, and I would have not had the time to research the best surgeon to do the forehead flap surgery. Still, there's no way to go back and find out. It's done. Now I have to face the music and deal with it. I am not saying that I believe that bs does not work the way it is supposed to, I am simply addressing the question that I think ANYONE in my situation would naturally have to ask. This is not the result that I had In mind when I learned of, researched and decided to use the salve.

I WILL say, to anyone wanting to use it on their face ( I'm sure you can guess what I am about to say...). ...be VERY VERY careful... I would use it in such small areas, especially around the eyes or nose! You never know.... Look at me. I am an example of what could happen. The doctors I am dealing with now look at my before photos, and of course they say the area was much smaller than what I lost, and I thought it would be too. Instead, the whole area under the salve reacted and you can see what I am left with. So, small small areas only people!

I can't wait to have all of this behind me and be done with it. I hope I will soon post pics of my new, improved nose! I hope I am happy with the result. I hope I am not used by doctors as another 'example' of how black salve just 'buns healthy skin'. And I hope you have a great day! Thank you for reading along about my journey.
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djt10

USA
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Posted - 01/21/2013 :  09:51:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What shows on the surface is often just the tip of the iceberg. When there's much more underneath, salve will involve a larger area when stuff comes up. Cutting into it surgically often leaves affected areas behind, doesn't kill the roots and it can release cancer cells into the bloodstream to travel. Most of the time the cavitation left by salve fills in with healthy tissue. You don't see that happen with surgery. Sometimes there's a lot of pain and sometimes not. I had a small lump beside my chin that was nearly painless and it seemed to drain out infection in several teeth. But another small spot on my hand that I could feel clear to a fingertip was terribly painful. When the salve works and you have a functioning immune system, redness and swelling is part of the process--that's the immune system at work, and it's a beneficial process.
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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 01/21/2013 :  10:14:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One thing I forgot to mention... In a previous post, I mentioned I started to take the internal salve, the tonic iii. Well, I eventually had a couple of days of feeling achy and feverish. I stopped taking it for a couple of days, then tried it again, got the same symptoms, then they got worse, way worse, to the tune of having a massive headache in the back of my neck that got worse with movement, and a fever that got up to 102.8. So off to the emergency room we went, with the fear being that I had meningitis. Great. Just what I need! I had a chest xray, bloodwork, and finally,even got to have my first spinal tap! I do not recommend getting one, by the way. The doctor was quite positive i had meningitis. But the spinal tap came back normal. They found nothing at all. A mystery illness. Sent me home around 2am with pain pills, call my doctor if symptoms come back...
So was it the tonic? Maybe I have something internally that was causing the reaction? I have not taken it since, but will try again. Maybe today. I am just curious to see if the symptoms coincide with the tonic? We'll see... (Boy am I a case!)
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  12:40:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the tonic triggers detoxing, you can plan on feeling miserable. When I was treated for stage 2 stomach cancer and many other conditions around 1979 by a famous old naturopath, besides a diet change, glandular protomorphogens, and cell salts, I was so ill I needed the big guns--constitutional hydrotherapy which lasted for 5 weeks. The last two weeks my body had recovered enough to go into detox spontaneously. I was so sick I was ready to shoot the doctor, but he assured me it was an essential part of the healing process. It was like the worst flu you could imagine. Fever, vomiting, terrible pain in my muscles, congested lungs and sinuses. I was sick as a dog. Then at the end of two weeks, I woke up one morning and it was all gone. The sickness, and pain from my stomach, arthritis, ovarian cysts, chronic bronchitis, sciatica, and even a heart murmur was gone. I had 20 years of good health after that, until I let stress create a new set of problems, which wore my adrenals down and that affected many other organs and systems. When I saw the next generation of naturopath (the old doctor's daughter) in 2001, I couldn't afford to stay for treatment so she instructed me to do a 3-day water fast to detox, along with other forms of home treatment, but I could never get through it until I had an attack of hives that made my tongue swell up and my throat swell almost shut. The pain was so bad all I could manage was a few drops of water at a time, so I finally got through a fast the hard way. Into day 4 I felt it happen. For 3 days of fasting toxins are still being dumped from the blood into the tissues, but after that with no digestion going on, it then begins picking up toxins from tissues and cells to get rid of them. The muscle and nerve pain was horrendous, but by the next day it was all gone, and that was the last episode I've had with the conditions caused my low adrenal and they thyroid function. Detoxing is NOT fun.

Many years ago we did a salve treatment on my husband, an alcoholic who was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver. We actually did 4 treatments over the course of a couple of years because he was still drinking at that time and I figured that his condition would be on-going. On the 3rd time, with just the salve alone, it threw him into major detox. He was so sick he couldn't even keep water down, the salve had brought on a large draining eschar, and he was passing black tarry stuff through the bowels. He was scared so we drove 200 miles to the naturopath, who said, yes indeed he was going through detox. She gave him liver glandulars to support the healing process and after another day or two of misery he got over it. He was still drinking and ended up going to rehab a second time, but when they tested him, his liver had healed in spite of his continued drinking. That's what detoxing can do. Happily, that second stint in rehab was the end of the drinking, but he credits the salve treatment and detoxing like that for restoring his health. That was several years ago. He's going on 76 and out chopping wood and living a very active life.

I can't say for certain whether your symptoms were part of a detoxing event or some kind of other reaction to the tonic, but anyone going through a serious detoxing can expect that kind of misery. Getting bad stuff out of your body isn't going to be pretty by any means. When my grandmother was taken to the naturopath, cell salts and glandular support alone threw her into detox. It was different in her case--her ears, eyes, nose and bowels were the exit points. She was "mental" and had a half dozen different diagnosis which ended with "Alzheimers" and a boat load of anti-psychotic meds. It turned out she was poisoned with heavy metals--nearly lethal levels of cadmium and high levels of aluminum. You could smell the metals and drugs coming right out through her skin. That also took 2 weeks, but it restored her mentally and physically.

It's too risky to advise other people or be an armchair diagnostician, so all I can do is describe our own experiences.

By the way, 2 years ago I tripped over a raised section of sidewalk and fell so hard I thought I had broken bones but it was about 10 days before I could even get out of bed and to a doctor. No fractures, but I slammed my right breast so hard I knew there was soft tissue damage, and the same with my left knee. Last night, I applied salve to the breast and today I'm seeing a reaction. I went to a friend's house whose doctor thinks she has breast cancer so we're doing it together. She opted to not have a biopsy because of the dangers involved, or any more radiation from mammograms, and I wasn't going to do that at all--thermograms don't pose the same kind of risks, but they aren't available in this area. Anyway, we're both "off to the races" with salve treatment. I make my own, but would advise others to purchase it from one of the top companies.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  15:32:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Hoxsey,

I feel so much for you and what you are going through. I can only begin to imagine how much "second guessing" you have been doing. My problem is minute compared to yours and I have been second guessing all the time, but like to think I took the right option.
I wish you all the best for your upcoming surgery and pray that you end up with a beautiful nose at the end of it all. Please let us know how you get on. I think your postings have inspired a lot of people - myself included.

Take care Hoxsey, and stay in touch :)
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Lily44

USA
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Posted - 01/26/2013 :  20:29:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Are you saying that you put BLACK SALVE on your whole face at the same time?



quote:
Originally posted by phxvalleygirl


On 12/21/12, I did MY ENTIRE FACE all at once...my friend had done 1/2 face at a time, so I thought I'd save time. It was an ordeal, and there were a couple days that my eyes were so swollen that I could not see. It sucked everything out of my sinuses (it's a drawing salve) and I had stinky mucous coming out of the side of my nose. I have a small gouged out area on the side of my nose and it could have been MUCH worse. I did think that I had a hole in my nose.

I did my chest about 6 days ago and I have a huge eschar forming near my breast bone. It pulled all sorts of phlegm, etc. from my lungs, I believe.

I'm with all those who recommend going lite on the ears and nose, especially. Small amounts...


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123zane0

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Posted - 01/31/2013 :  15:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also have used Black Salve numerous times I learnt a lesson to use only a small amount at a time as your toxins are coming out of your body. Use only 1 square cm at a time. I have a spot ive used the salve on and my face is pretty swollen look a bit like an Avatar! Waiting now for it to calm down. But its better than the alternative....Medical incisions and scarring with stitches and maybe even a spreading which is much much worse.
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123zane0

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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  02:46:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Forehead pic. 3 days after application

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123zane0

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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  03:34:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hear Hear

quote:
Originally posted by julypanda

Dear Hoxsey,

I feel so much for you and what you are going through. I can only begin to imagine how much "second guessing" you have been doing. My problem is minute compared to yours and I have been second guessing all the time, but like to think I took the right option.
I wish you all the best for your upcoming surgery and pray that you end up with a beautiful nose at the end of it all. Please let us know how you get on. I think your postings have inspired a lot of people - myself included.

Take care Hoxsey, and stay in touch :)

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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  08:07:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
July panda, thank you for your kind words! 123zane0, I am sure you saw my forehead application. You have one nice spot in there... I never got that really, just got the general scabbling without one or two 'main' spots. I see your swelling, all looks good! My forehead is still a little lumpy, and probably won't get any better without dermabrasion or something.

I went to get my outer edges of the nose defect biopsied a couple days ago. I may get results as early as today. I am more nervous about this than my upcoming surgery. I am really scared... My derm biopsied five spots around the edges. He wanted to make sure that the 'big daddy' of the lab testers was the person who will test my biopsies for the results. I could get them as early as today. What a weight off of my shoulders it will be if it all comes back negative! Then I can just get on with my first surgery, scheduled for feb 20th in Chicago.

Thank you all for following this post. I hope it can help others who find themselves looking for answers and for others experiences to help them make decisions about using black salve. I never thought I would be in this situation from using it! VERY VERY powerful stuff. Please use with great care.
Ill update again when I get biopsy results...
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/01/2013 :  08:10:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Djt10, thank you for your input and stories! How is your breast application with your friend going?
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 02/01/2013 :  13:52:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When I read about someone putting the salve all over their face, my stomach just clenched up. One small spot will usually do it if it's internal because the bloodroot seems to travel where it needs to go. When my husband decided to try it for cirrhosis of the liver, it was done on a general area near the groin and he could feel it pulling in different areas, not only his liver but his testicles where he had a hydrocele from an injury, his leg where antibiotics made a mess of an infection, and his lungs (decades of heavy smoking). Or course, if there are skin lesions, then you apply it to all of them.

I decided to do the breast treatment along with my girlfriend. Two years ago I tripped on a sidewalk where a tree root had raised it up and fell so hard I thought I had broken ribs and one knee. The hardest impact was on my right breast and I've been worried since that it was a deep soft-tissue injury that never completely healed because it didn't feel quite right, and any injury that fails to heal completely can go bad. So ...we did it together. With the salve I make, similar to Cansema, you do a 24 hr. application followed by 7 days of a light, drawing salve we also make at home, then a second application of black salve followed by the light salve until it has completely healed over. Well, hers had a strong reaction but I haven't seen it since the next day, but she said it's already a black/green sunken scab so she obviously did have breast cancer. I'm hoping she's taking regular pictures and well send them too me later when she figures out how to upload them to her computer. Mine reacted but not that strongly so I pushed it with black salve for 3 days and it's coming right along, but it's lighter colored. What I suspect is that it was probably in a more pre-cancerous state, but I can also feel it pulling under my arm towards the lymph nodes, so I'm VERY, VERY glad I decided to do it with her. Later on, we'll both get thermograms, but no mammograms or needle biopsies--between the pressure and radiation from a mammogram, I'm not going to do that, and I've heard and read horrow stories about needle biopsies. The problem is they don't even have the equipment in this area--we will have to drive 200 miles just to get to the equipment. I'll take a picture today when I change the bandage. The light salve (lavender essential oil, resin, beeswax, and linseed oil) is good because it keeps it soft and keep pulling pus out of the tissues and whatever else needs to drain out even after the eschar detaches.
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djt10

USA
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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  21:28:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How do you get photos on here?
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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 02/02/2013 :  08:07:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do it by clicking the 'reply to this topic' tab, you can't do it with the quick reply at the bottom.
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djt10

USA
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Posted - 02/02/2013 :  10:17:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks. Here's where I am at day 13.

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djt10

USA
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Posted - 02/02/2013 :  10:33:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The photo was from yesterday. This morning it's separating more and the light salve is drawing pus and fluids out of there, which is why I like the two-salve treatment because as long as the bloodroot is killing cells, or triggering a detox or whatever exactly it does, it will produce this kind of waste material that needs to be expelled and I'm convinced the light salve used in between black salve treatments and continuously until it's completely healed over helps in that process. But you can see the different between mine and the others here. My friend described hers as black with green edges which matches the other eschars pictured here and she's using the same salves as I am, so it makes me wonder if the difference in color indicates an earlier disease stage, like pre-cancer or something. I'm going to save the scab and take it into the M.D. I'll have to see to arrange for a thermogram, or maybe I'll really freak him out and go next week before it falls out, and see if I can challenge him into having it tested. but I think all they will find is "morbid matter" because I don't think cancer or precancerous cells keep their identity after they've been liquified into pus--but if someone knows differently I'd welcome any information. By the way, there are a couple of fairly recent studies done on the effect of bloodroot on cancer cells: http://truthquest2.com/cancersalves.htm
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