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ruby
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 Posted - 09/15/2010 : 22:53:15
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I have been very interested in the alternative treatments described on this forum.
I just had my first diagnosis/biopsy of 2 basal cell lesions and of course the dermatologist wants to do surgery.
But I prefer to try a combination of methods to try to eliminate it myself.
So my real concern is, how do you know if you got it all out in self-treatment? If you treat the spots and somehow don't eliminate it, does it just stay under the skin, spreading unseen? Or will it rise to the surface of the skin again at some point?
I would love to hear from those who are more familiar with the pattern of basal cell.
One spot on my arm was present for a couple years and all along though it was a bad bite from a poisonous spider than never healed. The other spot is fairly new on my face.
At what point would you give up on the natural treatment to seek surgery instead?
I have my eggplant/vinegar poultice brewing, and I started on orange oil and baking soda.
Will look forward to hearing your comments.
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truthbetold
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Posted - 09/16/2010 : 01:18:44
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this guy uses cannabis oil to cure his bcc.. theres a photoblog in the movie showing how cancer under the skin gets pulled up and cured..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghUh4ubbg |
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waverider
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Posted - 09/16/2010 : 08:50:35
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I'm no MD, Ruby, but I believe it's the case that skin cells at the lower levels migrate up toward the surface as part of the natural regeneration process. Therefore cancer originating there will eventually resurface. I think that's the case with most people who have re-occurrences of previously treated cancer. It might take some time, though, for it to regather its forces.
Actually one of the things you're already using -- orange oil -- seems to be somewhat of a cancer detector (or, I should say, abnormal cell detector) because it will tend to produce a sting response wherever there's cancer or some kind of abnormal pre-cancerous cells. If you put orange oil on just an average scratch or wound, it will not sting. Petty spurge is even better -- if you apply PS it will "light up" (i.e., attack and inflame) any wild cells where you put it and even in the near vicinity, too. If I apply PS somewhere suspicious and get zero response then, for my purposes at least (and I'm not advocating this for anyone else,) I consider that to be proof that there's no cancer present. |
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marsha
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Posted - 09/16/2010 : 10:50:16
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| I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think you have to keep using whatever it is your using until it heals up while your using it. Did that make since? |
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dan
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Posted - 09/17/2010 : 01:42:09
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I agree with the orange oil being a good skin cancer detector. It also has a stinging signature as a treatment, starting a few minutes after applying and ending about twenty minutes later. As the treatment runs its course, the stinging will take longer to start (it has to penetrate deeper to reach abnormal cells). Eventually, in a few weeks, the stinging experience becomes noticeably less intense. Thanks waverider for suggesting that PS is also an abnormal cell detector.
These skin cancer home remedy treatments can be hit or miss. I think it is good idea to try a couple sequential approaches to attack cancer via different mechanisms. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 09/17/2010 : 09:28:03
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I think what Waverider says about using Petty Spurge (Euphorbus Peplum) as a test for whether there is cancer to work on makes sense. However, I'm tempted to add, for those who may not have read about Petty Spurge, that the reaction if there is a problem can be pretty severe, so don't try large areas all at once.
ALSO, very important is to know about Petty Spurge being able to cause BLINDNESS if it gets into the eye. This is relevant because of the tendency of Petty Spurge to search out areas beyond the application, as many people have indicated on this Forum.
And this is why I personally have not yet used Petty Spurge on the new spot just below my eye. Until I have experimented more and know more about using it, my motto is DO NOT USE PETTY SPURGE ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR EYES! |
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marsha
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Posted - 09/17/2010 : 22:20:32
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| Dan, I put orange oil on my right nostril twice, where I used the iodine. And twice on the left side. I had the ssc and used curaderm. I think that was 2 years ago. No reaction.Should I do it a couple more times? I also have an appointment for some biopsies this coming week. Just to see what I'm dealing with. |
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ruby
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Posted - 09/18/2010 : 12:07:45
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Thanks all for the great input here.
If the spot has a scab, will the orange oil still penetrate?
Right now, I have scabs on both spots and don't feel any burning when I apply the oil.
I'm wondering if they are acting as a seal against the oil getting in there. |
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randolph
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ruby
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Posted - 09/20/2010 : 00:15:27
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Thanks for sharing your experience Randolph! I will give that a try.
I have to say that I appreciate the sting. Its reassuring to know that something active and beneficial is going on.
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randolph
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SoFl
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Posted - 09/20/2010 : 09:40:01
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Originally posted by ruby
I have been very interested in the alternative treatments described on this forum.
I just had my first diagnosis/biopsy of 2 basal cell lesions and of course the dermatologist wants to do surgery.
But I prefer to try a combination of methods to try to eliminate it myself.
So my real concern is, how do you know if you got it all out in self-treatment? If you treat the spots and somehow don't eliminate it, does it just stay under the skin, spreading unseen? Or will it rise to the surface of the skin again at some point?
I would love to hear from those who are more familiar with the pattern of basal cell.
One spot on my arm was present for a couple years and all along though it was a bad bite from a poisonous spider than never healed. The other spot is fairly new on my face.
At what point would you give up on the natural treatment to seek surgery instead?
I have my eggplant/vinegar poultice brewing, and I started on orange oil and baking soda.
Will look forward to hearing your comments.
The issue of recurrence is relevant whether you are talking alternative treatments or regular derm treatments. Typically with a basil cell on the face they do mohs and that involves slicing it off until they get free margins. The problem is that they can get a free margin and unknown to them there is more cancer outside the free margins.
This was the case with me on a confirmed bcc. I opted to use Petty Spurge rather than the mohs, and the petty spurge ate through the original area but also a couple of other areas 1,2,3 mm from the original lesion that I'm sure mohs would have ignored.
As someone in this thread stated, skin cells are in a constant 30 day migration from lower levels to upper levels and eventually shedding so I believe that if you "didn't get it all", it will return a month or two later.
So my point is that lesions sometimes return whether you are talking alternative treatments or conventional treatments. I personally have had better luck "getting it all" with PS than with any of the conventional treatments including surgery. |
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ruby
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Posted - 10/09/2010 : 17:07:55
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I've been using orange oil and baking soda for a month now on three spots (2 were biopsied). The stinging had lessened over time, but I still have some. Usually I put on the orange oil and wait until the stinging stops. Then I wash the area and apply a baking soda paste, which also stings. I seem to notice that the baking soda pulls things up.
Today, I mixed some Vitamin C powder in with my orange oil. Ouch- it really stung for at least an hour. I hope thats a good thing. Maybe its a stronger form of vitamin C going to work?!
I read here that some only seem to treat their spots for 10 days and are done with it. Does a month seem like too long?
(I ordered some Petty Spurge seeds but it will be awhile before I have sap to treat with.)
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waverider
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 12:15:00
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| In my experience with the two of them -- orange oil and high-potency vitamin C solution -- the orange oil will sting only when it contacts "abnormal" cells. This could extend from confirmed BCC/SCC down to just actinic spots that are starting to go a little wild at the cellular level. Thus it's a good indicator of the presence of this. High-potency vitamin C solution, however, will sting on any/all kinds of conditions from BCC to just normal everyday abrasions, scratches, etc and, I have found, even just raw spots that are in the process of healing. So the sting response from vitamin C doesn't mean much either pro or con as far as indicating skin cancer. It just means there's enough of a break in the skin to let the ascorbic acid seep down to some nerves. I'm a big fan of both high-potency vitamin C and orange oil, at least for smaller, more superficial cases. I've effectively knocked out a couple of pin-head size skin cancer wanna-bes on my nose using either of those or a combination of both. The toxicity of liquid Vitamin C against skin cancer cells is pretty well-documented and the method is understood. For larger more entrenched stuff elsewhere, I used the heavier artillery of petty spurge. |
Edited by - waverider on 10/11/2010 12:18:34 |
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ruby
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Posted - 10/12/2010 : 19:36:42
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Thanks so much waverider. Your experience with the Vitamin C gives me some peace of mind.
Just got my Petty Spurge seeds today! |
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