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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2013 :  03:27:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

There are other sections here in this forum that share a lot of other peoples experiences with both bloodroot pastehttp://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=68 and petty spurge http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=273 including my own. The two links will get you started.
The rule here is do your own due diligence and make the best informed decisions you can make. Good Luck!
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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2013 :  03:33:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tmainstayr

In regards to healing up I personally used 3M flesh colored micropore tape, custom cut with scissors to cover up each or multiple wounds.
I originally used neosporem but moved to Chickweed healing salve and then started making my own salve with beeswax and olive oil.. this is years of wounds. I once had one get a little red...I just hit it with Hydrogen peroxide after showering each day and before putting the salve on it and it cleared up.

Hang in there and best of luck!




Edited by - anivoc on 01/20/2013 03:33:49
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2013 :  10:13:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Look at the research on MCP - Modified Citrus Pectin, developed by Dr. Isaac Eliaz. It has been shown in studies to be as effective as several leading chemotherapy drugs on breast and prostate metastatic cancers. While it has not been tested on skin cancers, it might be as effective on them. It works as a "mechanical process" in that MCP is a long chain polysaccharide molecule and when it's modified to a smaller size it can enter the bloodstream. When it encounters a cancer cell, the cancer cell is attracted to it (it's a sugar) and it wraps around the cancer cell, thus preventing it from attaching to other cancer cells and eventually killing it.

MCP is relatively cheap, completely safe and has other health benefits besides it's effect on cancer. Dr. Eliaz is an integrative physician and researcher and has been studying citrus pectin since he was about twelve (he lived next door to two scientists and would help them in their research). He is the only integrative physician that has ever been invited as a keynote speaker for the American Cancer Society... where he spoke on his MCP research.

Google him, and check out his videos on YouTube... especially the one with Charlie Rice. By the way... MCP combined with kelp also detoxes you from heavy metals which are a leading contributor to cancer.
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2013 :  11:12:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anivoc,

thanks for your reply and links for more info on Bloodroot and Petty Spurge. I would appreciate a link to suppliers.

SuzeZeQ,

MCP is reported effective in preventing metastasis by inhibiting attachment of cancerous cells just as you say. It is somewhat awkward to use as a powder, which loves to clump together into a firm pasty blob. I use it on my organic cereal along with whey protein before adding water.

However, for use throughout the day, I find the capsules more convenient. {NOW Foods].

BTW, Suze, thanks for your wonderfully concise and explicit explanation of the mechanism of action. I had forgotten all that...ashamed to say!
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As an ancillary treatment, I would suggest review of the LEF.org article on Reishi Mushrooms.

Still looking for a source of bloodroot and petty spurge to buy from.

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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 01/24/2013 :  20:49:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Anivoc and Vetdoc for your help.....

I am worried about the Curaderm spreading BCC... But it's been a little while since my last post...

Things are still really nasty, but I found several culprits as far as healing...

Curaderm does produce Phagocytes(yellow pus) when in direct contact with BCC... What I found out is that DIET is key... As things like Chicken and Chicken Soup, and other powerful antihystimines STOP or SLOW the Curaderm taking effect... This also includes Aspirin, White Willow Bark too... Tylenol or Acetametaphin is NOT considered an Antihystimine or a weak one and I still get good PUS production...

See I eat alot of good foods, like Chicken, Fish, Pork etc... The days I had chicken sandwiches or soup or chicken for dinner, my lesions produces very little pus... Then, unfortunately some develope thin layers of skin, only to be dissolved off the next day when the Chicken wore out... So I PRELONGED MY treatment time, unfortunately...

Since I stopped taken my daily sinus pill and stopped chicken altogether, I'm started to heal up quicker, and produce lots of pus discharge(aka dead cancer cells)

Only thing is, that down on the neck area, where it's sensitive, it's easy for what I think is GOOD skin TO SLOWLY dissolve from "drippage" of Curaderm by gravity to the lower bandages...

So when most of the lesions are near completely healed, I'll stop treatment on the lower ones along the neckline, hopefully with Neosporin or maybe Tamanu oil?? Maybe I should get a prescription for something better?

So at this time, the Curaderm is DOING it's job, and the lesions, all of them grow new skin cells daily, slowly getting smaller and smaller, but its FREAKING SLOW AND REALLY PAINFUL...

I myself literally would NOT recommend Curaderm to anyone that has LARGE BCCS... or for that matter Curaderm at all...

So you can take Acetametaphin(tylenol) for pain, and naturally prescription pain killers like Vicodin an such...

When treating with Curaderm, stay away for antihystimens...

I'm just sick and tired of the cancer!! So I'm going to hold in there for another 30 days and see where I can get now...

Thanks guys....
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 02/17/2013 :  23:09:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
still waiting for info requested in my post of 1/19/13.

richard
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2013 :  20:33:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anybody,

I'm still treating with Curaderm... I'm using alot of bottles... When does this EVER end.... Most of the large spots are now small spots... Now WHY do the lesions COME BACK... Some of the larger 1/2" by 1" lesions healed up, then after awhile, start coming back all over again...

It's seems maybe I'm putting on too much cream?

or is this thing all a SCAM?

There's lots of pus... And when it heals, white curaderm is left, instead of yellow pus... So it seems promising, but how can I get lesions back again... is this metasis, or just to much cream on after it heals....

I'm losing hope, and NO DOCTORS WILL EVEN TOUCH ME...

I purchased Chickweed Salve, but haven't used it yet... I figured once all the wounds healed up, I'd use the salve to condition the skin, and be done...

I'm wondering if I should just go to emergency burn unit, and go from there?

My question is does Curaderm burn ANY skin, and if you put it on the same spot over and over again, does it ulcerate ANYWAY, and puss up, whether it's cancer or not?

Any suggestions...
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Stephen M

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2013 :  16:42:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just wanted to offer an update to my post of 10/15/12.
I'm still using Curaderm on the side of my nose (hole approx. 1/8 inch diameter)....very little reaction for the last 3 months. No real burning (very brief stinging from the urea, etc.)...This has been a l-o-n-g process (as many have stated)!The area at the top of the tip of my nose has healed leaving a circular depression about 1/2 inch in diameter. I wanted to ask if anyone had knowledge of the using of a small needle shot of a particular steroid(not sure which) in the area to help close the wound?
This is not necessarily directly related to our topic, but this all started (bcc) with my awakening with a bright red and very painful swollen nose that increased until late afternoon whih a white head. Consensus from research and word of mouth was a insect bite (possibly spider, maybe brown recluse).
Make a long story short...I visited a dermatologist who was also Mohs certified and a plastic surgeon. Since he wasn't too interested in my poisonous bite story, but focused on the biopsy, etc.
Vetdoc, would you have any thoughts, suggestions,etc.?
Thanks all for your input.
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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2013 :  18:09:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr

To answer the does curaderm burm healthy skin question just try it on a ( where the sun don't shine area for a few days)
I don't think it will effect healthy skin but I could be wrong.

In regards to is Curaderm a scam?..no Is it what they would imply it is all cracked up to be..certainly not from my experience and the reports of others here in this forum. Some people have had some success. I am going to guess these were people with very small AK's or BCC's..just a guess.

For sure months and months and hundreds of dollars got me nowhere on the big BCC's I have.

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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2013 :  19:09:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi Stephen M,

1. I seriously doubt your tip of nose lesion was a Brown Recluse--your entire nose would be long gone if that were it...heaven forbid!
2. "steroid" is a non-professional term used in this way. Usually, people mean "corticosteriod", such as cortisone, prednisone, dexamethazone et. These will all slow or even prevent healing, and depress anti-microbial action of your immune cells. There are very weak corticosteroids used by dermatologists in specific cases, not to be undertaken unless by an MD. Their benefit is anti-inflammatory action, which can become necessary when a toxin causes severe reaction.

The depression where healing has occurred could be cosmetically corrected by a plastic surgeon, if injecting fat or collagen is possible, or other substances such as silicon in packs.

My experience with Curaderm has been excellent. However, I did not continue treatment to final healing, due to extreme inflammation [and a lot of pain], perhaps because I am a red head. Follow-up biopsy in both my SCC and BCC showed complete absence of any cancer.

I have seen studies indicating that SCC is responsible for more deaths than are routinely accounted, due to a system that does not track them. That is why I did not wait the 3 weeks until my scheduled surgery, but stated the Curaderm. I stopped at 2 weeks, used a weak corticosteroid Rx'd by my dermatologist to reduce the wild inflammation and permit the repeat biopsy.

I don't quite understand the recommendation to continue Curaderm until complete healing. I didn't, and it worked well.

I am sorry you are having problems. Please don't do anything without an MD consult.

To the group: I would be interested to know the deciding factors in selecting Curaderm or any other topical treatment over surgery. In my case, it was solely because I was afraid of metastasis during the 3 week wait for surgical excision. Curaderm worked really well for me in those 2 instances.
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2013 :  21:44:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Anivoc and Vetdoc,

Thanks Anivoc for getting back with me... I have a lot of small 1/4" to 1/8" spots that shed puss with Curaderm, but are just stubborn in healing up... Plus a good bunch of them have "come back" even after applying treatment on top of the healed wound...

And yes, small concentrated spots have gotten on my neck accidentally, like 1/8" and burned the top layer of skin off... I'm betting the skin would ulcerate ANYWAY if I kept applying...

Some of the other spots have now show "roots" or highways, to other spots, interconnecting them together... This one huge 1" spot, now with interconnect is coming back... How can something like that grow back in 2 weeks?

I'm very frustrated and STILL keep applying Curaderm, twice daily.. I'm hoping that finally some of the spots will close completely..

I have pain NON-STOP for about 9 to 10 hours after treatment.. The first hour is completely unbareable as I take oxycontin for the pain, which wears off AFTER 2 hours... Then about a hour of almost no pain, then followed by pain thereafter, which I treat with 1 tylenol pill..

It's so invasive, from one side of my cheek, to the back of my neck and down near my ear, some 4" to 4" of various lesions, which when started were alot worse...

If I stop now, by the time I could see a dermatologist in 2 some months, it will have metasisized all back, making 4 months of agony meaningless...

I cannot work nor even move out of my chair, as I am immobilized by my bandages and pain.. The more I move, the more pain I am in...

This COUNTRY (the U.S.) stinks badly, and the hospitals will only treat me as a burn victim, not a cancer victim...

If I get surgery, if I could convince anyone to operate on me, I will be missing almost the whole one side of my face...

Don't know what to do, except continue treatment and consistantly pray for healing and answers..
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2013 :  01:09:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tmainstayr,

The US does not "stink", as you say, for me. We are not perfect, but compare well with other systems. For example, Canadians often come here because socialized medicine has very long delays, and more innovation happens in the USA. You did not enter the system, as I understand it, and cannot now blame your troubles on the system of which you did not avail yourself.

I agree, the wait is often too long, as in my own case. But it is not impossibly long. Why can't you obtain a biopsy to see where you are and what would be appropriate. I'm betting that what you are calling "metastasis" is not even cancerous. You may be cured already. It is not good medicine for you simply to insist on surgery without knowing what is going on. No reputable doctor would operate in the dark like that.

As i said, it is totally possible that you are tumor free. Of course, i don't have much data to go on, don't know your history, but i really hope you will give science a chance to restore your life to normal. I totally think that no cancer is likely!

I have seen no evidence that Curaderm will "track down" cancer cells, and i have grave doubts that it leaves all normal cells unaffected. My understanding is that the urea is there to remove overlying epidermis that may have healed over a lesion and thereby obstruct access to the underlying cancer.

In my case, the use of Curaderm for 2 weeks caused such intense reaction that surgery was no longer possible, because the margins of the cancer were not discernable. Low dose corticosteroid was Rx'd, reduced the inflammation in a week or so, allowing for the repeat biopsy before the doctor would operate. The area was still open, but no cancer remained--in either the BCC or the SCC areas. Healing is now complete.

I will be thinking of you and wish you well. If you care to share an accurate, detailed, chronological medical history, supported with necessary lab and biopsy testing, perhaps I could shed light on the responses you have received from the medical community.

The US does NOT "stink". Some individuals and agencies in the medical world do spoil things however.The pharmaceutical industry needs to be controlled. And...improvement is always needed, everywhere, including the USA.

I am willing to spend my time with your data, explain lab tests, and teach you medical thinking on your case. I am not offering advice about what to do. I am offering explanation about your situation from a medical point of view. Then, you can take my notes to your MD for advice about how to proceed.

If you prefer to discuss this privately, email me directly: icf@cds1.net

But more importantly, ask your MD how to proceed, without telling him/her what treatment you want. You and I are not qualified to prescribe your treatment. You need an MD for that.

Peace.
richard, DVM
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2013 :  23:06:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

Thanks for your input....
One of these days I'll shoot you and email.... My email has my name in it..

What I'm seeing is a consistant "reburning" or "reopening" of the lesions, that where once healed over.. Since there are so many lesions near each other and sharing the same bandages, I'm wondering...

In fact Curaderm which is 10%salycic acid 10%urea and .005% glykoalkaloid...

Salycilic acid - to eat away the top layer of skin
Urea - to keep the skin moist and free of infection
Glykoalkaloid - to kill the cancer

BUT!!!

I'm reading that Urea in 10% solution is quite CAUSTIC according to the internet, and will cause burning and stinging and is considered an escharotic at that level...

I KEEP putting thick gobs of Curaderm on the lesions, they seem to spread.... Are these ROOTS from lower levels or is the cream REEOPENING HEALED UP SKIN ALL OVER AGAIN!!

I ask you...
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2013 :  11:55:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see you have done your "homework". Good show. I agree that we need some details about why so much urea and salicylic acid are in Curaderm, and how to define an endpoint of treatment. As I have experienced, healing is not the only reliable endpoint; my BCC and SCC were completely removed after only 2 weeks of Curaderm @ 2X/day, with a remaining open lesion, 1st caused by a biopsy.

It is entirely possible that the open lesion from the biopsy allowed for better access to the tumors by Curaderm, resulting in rapid resolution.

I reiterate my strong suggestion for you to consult with a dermatologic pathologist for a biopsy. I think it is a good possibility you have no residual cancer, and are now suffering the side effects of the urea and salicylic acid.

But before a biopsy will be possible, the inflammation from the Curaderm must subside. My dermatologist, who is on staff at University of California, San Francisco [UCSF] Rx'd Desonide cream 0.05% 2X/d for this purpose, and was able to perform a biopsy after 1 week.

I cannot too strongly suggest you do this promptly. A pathologist can stage any remaining cancer for its metastatic potential, and surgery can literally save your life if you have SCC [or melanoma]. I have had 2 BCC's, 2 SCC's, and 3 malignant melanomas. The 2and melanoma was missed by my GP MD, because it was not pigmented [amelanotic melanoma], was present for probably over a year, and a little longer before excision would have meant my death.

Please please see a dermatologist my friend.

best regards,
Richard
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 03/24/2013 :  18:31:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

Read your reply and thanks for your concern...
Truth is I keep postponing going to the dermatologist, since they never diagonosed me properly to begin with..

You see when you DON'T have insurance, the doctors in the U.S. DON'T CARE if you are DYING... this is TRUE!!! It's happenen to me over and over again with diagonosing skin cancer... They figure they will NEVER GET PAID, and therfore "who cares about you"....

1st specialist I went to, charged me $200.00 for a day, looked at the spot of my lip, and said "that's not cancer", and would not take a biopsy period, just to get me out of the office... I went to my local family doctor and he actually did a quicky biopsy and found it was BCC cancer... He also had the guts to endorsed me using and trying Curaderm some 6 years ago, which took 100 days for a small 1/4" spot that was 3/8" deep to heal completely, which also took the bottom part of my LIP CLEAN OFF WHILE TREATING...

Not only did the lip actually "grow" back but the lesion healed up with Curaderm, and NO ONE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, not even my doctor... No reoccurance whatsoever....

So, Curaderm did work back then in 2006...

But now, I've been treating a huge area on one side of my face for almost 6 months, and need another month to go with the Curaderm... My family has been thankfully, up til now has been supporting my "cause" and is now "fed up"... They haven't seen ANY of the day to day progress photographs, or book logs of my successes so far to eliminate and completely heal quite a few lesions and want me to go conventional...

They've set a date, or I'm out on my ass... Moh's surgery at this point will leave me not only horribly disfigured for the rest of my life, but not easily get all the cancer spots, as they will not biopsy correctly, unless completely healed over for a good month!! Alot of BCC will grow back in a month believe me, I've missed a few spots and they grow back quick with the skin open...

My problem is that every spot was actually physically connected by a "vein" of cancer.. This is what I found out during the last month of treatment... When that pops up during treatment and is broken, the individual cancer "spots" heal up, alot quicker but taking WEEKS instead of months... Healing is EXTREMELY slow, and very painful..

I'm still thinking of keeping my appointment with the dermatologist, who is supposed to be a "cancer specialist", but I don't know him at all, as he is a complete stranger.. He will as ANY normal practictioner give me a healing cream, the sores will heal up, as they did for you, then Biopsy, then FALSE READINGS AND more and more future BCC cancer sores and nasty surgery in months to come, if not years..

Again, I reitterate, If you TAKE a biopsy in the area of the lesion, while using Curaderm, you are NOT going to get a good reading, as the "cancer" is burn't away on the top layers of the lesion due to cell aptosis.. There WILL BE NO CLEAR LINE OF DEMARCATION UNDER BIOPSY PERIOD in my scientific opinion... It's just not the way Curaderm works... Which is from the outside in...

As new skin heals from the bottom up, in layers and layers, for the normal healing process of natural skin regeneration, new cells and cancerous cells are pushed to the surface of the skin, where they can be treated...

Your basically treating the tumor from the top few layers only...
New skin completely naturally grows on the human body and is completely regenerated in 70 to 90 days, I read this somewhere...

My only question to you is, when you got the healing cream the Denoside, DID YOU have scars, of did the open lesions heal up completely?

Thanks for listening...

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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2013 :  14:40:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the cream Rx'd was Desonide .05%, a weak corticosteroid. No residual evidence of any pathology, no apparent scar, although biopsy showed scar on histopath.

Sorry for your continued problems. please remember that i only used Curaderm for about 2-3 weeks before bailing, due to pain and increased size of lesion. Curaderm is very caustic, and i'm not convinced about no deleterious effect on normal tissue.

I wonder whether a local anesthetic like Lidocaine Cream, would hinder the Curaderm anti-cancer effect. The pain is certainly on the borderline of unbearable.

best wishes...my thoughts are with you.
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2013 :  18:51:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

How big was the lesion you treated with Desonide?
So you did not have ANY scar after the Desonide healed the skin completely?

See what's happening is, I'm treating one lesion and spots appear next to, which didn't exist before, so I treat another spot, which gets worse opens up, pusses, then heals again...

This has been going on for months now... I have just about lost everything I own, now living at home with folks... No job, no money, and horrible deep scars, some 1/8" deep...

I'm seeing the dermatologist next Tuesday, so hopefully he can tell me what to do... ORIGINALLY, the area I've been treating was one huge darn big red extremely painful lesion, which is now around 16 or so small lesions ranging from 1/2" down to 1/8" in varying sizes and shapes and depths...

I'm really beginning to believe Curaderm is a total crock of horse manure, and all that it is a strong kerotyltic agent being salyclic acid, and urea mainly...

They tell you for prescriptions of UREA to never apply to open skin, and also that PUS can form, I guess due to irritation...

Urea is only recommended for Keratosis, or THICK SCALY SKIN...

My neck area is extremely THIN skin, and it seems the less I put on the more it heals up... Then the next treatment 12 hours later, just peels off more skin again!! Basically until the skin starts to get tough(aka the areas i'm not treating) and RESISTS THE ACIDS...

Anyway, some dermatologist long time ago told me something like that... She said the skin get's used to the acid, and resists, then heals...

I don't know what to believe now, and a skin cancer dermatologist seems the right way to go at this point, even though I have alot less pain, and it looks like I'm at the end of treatment, I still have holes everywhere, with no end in sight...

I'm praying constantly that god and Jesus will either heal my afflictions or send me the TRUTH to what is going on and go to the right doctor....

So I plan to keep my appointment with dermatologist and see what he says, and if he can take some biopsies....

Any input...

And yes, does the Desonide heal things up without scars, and what type of results can I expect to see during the days of applications Vetdoc?

Like twice a day, what happens gradually to the skin? Does it bleed, puss, is it painful??

I'm getting to think I'm just burning myself over and over AT this point... I'm also afraid that if I stop this treatment of Curaderm, before healing, my cancer will come back... Some of the lesions are MONTHS OLD... Some weeks... Any input PLEASE!!!

Thank you for listening...

Warning others..... Go to a certified dermatologist before applying any cream to your face and make sure to get a BIOPSY FIRST!!!

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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2013 :  19:50:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tmainstayr
I'm so sorry you're have such trouble. I agree your best option is a dermatologist, and i really like your advice, "Warning..."".

Desonide does not heal. it is a weak cortisone. It reduces inflammation. the body does the healing if not prevented by excess inflammation, tumors, lack of blood supply, or infections. there are supplements to assist healing. see LEF.org and search healing.

I think you're right in questioning Curaderm. an interesting clarification might be a controlled study vs urea and/or sialic acid.

I have not seen proof that Curaderm seeks out the tendrils of malignancies.

best of luck and keep me posted.
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2013 :  17:31:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

I was reading about Desonide cream... It says to NOT put on open wounds... Weren't your wounds open, like mine, where there was no outer layer of skin(epidermis), basically an open blister...

Did the Desonide cream application twice a day, was it painful?
Can you describe the healing process during the applications of Desonide?

I'm going to doctor on Tuesday and want to recommend the right stuff... Tell me your experience with the Desonide...

Thanks
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2013 :  21:15:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


tmainstayer,

please see my prior post re: Desonide.

I think it unwise to tell your doc what treatment you want. If he doesn't know, change docs!

You can study topical corticosteroids to learn more. I looked it up for you on Wikipedia, an excellent source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topical_corticosteroids
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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2013 :  10:52:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank all of you for taking the time to build this thread.

I have no connection to the health industry or Curaderm.

About three years ago I noticed that the top of my left ear would occasionally bleed. I assumed I had a pimple or a cut from the barber shop. It stopped then bleed again at later dates. My wife said it looked like a small bit of my ear had been cut away and healed poorly. I blamed the barber. Finally I went to a private doctor in the UK and asked what it was. After a grave look he suggested that I visit their dermatologist. Not good I thought. The dermatologist suspected skin cancer and took a biopsy. The British dermatologist asked if I had ever had sun burn. After telling her that I have lived most of my life in Florida, Bermuda and Arabia she was ready to get her knife out. The next week I was in Florida and decided to see a US dermatologist. The Florida dermatologist was very impressive and thorough checking my whole body spotting small amounts of possible skin cancer on my cheeks. As I am over 60 with a history of too much sun and no protection I should be glad I am not worse. The Florida dermatologist prescribed Fluorouracil 5% topical cream. I had been researching on the internet and discovered Curaderm articles so I had already ordered some tubes. As an experiment I used the Curaderm on my ear and the Fluorouracil on my cheeks. I applied both for about two weeks. The Curaderm on my ear stung somewhat but was not overly painful. The Fluorouracil on my face did not hurt at all but made the skin in some areas go dark and evil looking before eventually falling off. Some other areas of my cheek where I applied the cream had no effect. After the very dark skin came off the pink skin now showing healed to be normal within about two weeks using some other cream that the US dermatologist had prescribed. The Curaderm on my ear stopped stinging and after two weeks and I stopped using it. Then I got a call from the UK dermatologist saying the biopsy revealed BCC and SCC at early stages and scheduled another meeting to discuss the surgery to remove it. When I met the UK dermatologist she look at my left ear then muttered something and immediately looked at my right ear. Next she looked at her notes and asked me which ear had the problem. I said left and she looked again. Then asked me what had happened as she could not see any signs that there had ever been a problem. I showed her the two tubes of cream. She said that neither are normal UK treatments but she understood how Fluorouracil works. I was naturally advised against self experimentation.

Recently I noticed a suspicious mark on my forearm and decided to use my Curaderm. That was four days ago and the small spot of maybe 1/4" has become a mean red looking 1" area that is pealing skin. This is what I expected. It also stings. Being a bit of an experimenter and ignoring the UK dermatologist's advice, I have been putting an application of Curaderm on a normal looking area of my arm as a test. Nothing is happening in the test area - no stinging - no redness - nothing.

I am sure that my skin cancer is very early days and small and hardly worth mentioning compared to others who are posting here, but it seems that both Curaderm and Fluorouracil work on such EARLY stage cancers. I apologize to those with real problems if my posting seems trivial.

The Fluorouracil cost about $280 for one large 40g tube which for its size is about the same as the Curaderm costs but one needed a prescription in the USA to buy it. The dermatologists cost $100 - $150 a visit. I have no insurance but they seem to take cash with no problem. Both the dermatologist in the USA and UK wanted payment or proof of payment up front. I went privately in the UK and if you know the UK you will know why. The UK has had Obamacare type medicine for decades and one can see the impact. The skin cancer on my cheek that the Fluorouracil reacted to was seen by a UK national health (not private) doctor previously who said it was nothing and just keep a watch on it.

Private care and these creams might cost but it is certainly less that the lost income from ... well.. lets not go there.

Sorry about the ramble but I hope this helps someone.

I will report back on my arm experiment as it progresses.

Later I will see a dermatologist here in the UAE where they have loads of experience in skin cancer for obvious reasons.
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vetdoc

USA
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Posted - 04/01/2013 :  12:55:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi Bruce,

Thanks for your detailed and useful case history.

It might be of benefit for you to inform us about the UK health care system, since we will be voting again on related issues. I for one feel that US citizens are naive and uninformed about the realities in rest of the world.

thanks.
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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2013 :  06:39:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vetdoc

hi Bruce,

Thanks for your detailed and useful case history.

It might be of benefit for you to inform us about the UK health care system, since we will be voting again on related issues. I for one feel that US citizens are naive and uninformed about the realities in rest of the world.

thanks.



There is no magic in economics. The world works on supply and demand with the deciding factor on who gets what normally = price. In a pure free society similar to what expats see in Arabia health care is allocated by price. Since the patient pays, the patient decides if their own condition justifies that expenditure by themselves. In the UK since the payer for health care is an intermediary - the state - the patient feels it is free. Of course the patient has paid in high taxes but that has already happened and can not be avoided. When any good is free, demand rises. Imagine that your local grocery store said from now on food is free. Can you visualize the new demand for food? SO in the UK and soon the USA demand for health care grows exponentially. Without price to ration the supply something else must ration it. In the UK it is rationed according to need. Those with the most pressing need are seen first. Apply this to skin cancer. In the early stages it is not life threatening so ration treatment to those with the most advanced cancers. If you have early stage skin cancer expect to be told to "watch it and come back in ....." . At this point you can go to a private doctor and pay (remember you have already paid the taxes for the national health service). The private doctor is rationing his time by money and hence is willing to treat early stage possible skin cancer according to how much you want to pay. You decide how much it is worth to you.

There is no right or wrong in all of this. The facts are that supply of health care is limited (and frequently goes down once economic benefits to the suppliers decrease) but demand will expand if the perceived price to the recipient drops.

In terms of skin cancer in the UK one will receive excellent treatment IF you are high on the waiting list due to the degree of cancer advancement. If it is very early stages or maybe only suspected cancer better to pay privately, buy Curaderm or illegally buy the other cancer creams.

If you want to see what US health care will be like in a few years look at the UK and then wonder why there are in the UK so many private hospitals, private practice doctors and special insurance programs despite the National Health care system being free at delivery point. The better off pay twice.

I hope this did not offend anyone and remember I was asked.
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2013 :  14:58:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Bruce,

that was a wonderful, coherent, logical presentation of reality in economics.

Veterinarians understand this quite well.

Government's role should be to provide transparency: results by doctor, their fee, and their availability.

Now to somehow educate voters before it's too late--or is it already?

thanks for your trouble in writing this piece.

Richard [Vetdoc]
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2013 :  18:11:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

Finally went to Dermatologist... I wish that the guy I went to gave me a through looking over... I have over 300 photos of Curaderm progression and application over the last several- several months... And he DIDN'T CARE to look at any of them...

He went to look at these "open holes" that have been treated repeatedly with Curaderm and said...

Well, I don't know what that is... But it doesn't look like BCC to me... I said "Well Doc, i've been treating for almost 6 months, here's my computer, why don't you look at what I started off with, which was HUGH lesion taking up a good part of my face..."

Derma says " well that doesn't matter"... Now since when does patient history "doesn't matter"... I told you REPEATEDLY Vetdoc, when you don't have insurance IN THE U.S., THEY DON'T CARE!!
They know there is no money in it for them!!

He finally looked at just ONE of the lesions, and said to me, well let's send you home... And I said with "what"... As we both agreed, you can't do an accurate biopsy when you are a soggy mess.... So he says "LET'S PUT SOME PETROLEUM JELLY ON YOU, AND GET YOU OUTTA HERE..."

I said to him "petroleum jelly...." what kind of doctor ARE YOU?? I travelled over 1 hour to see this "guy" and had to kiss his butt for a prescription for my open lesions...

He sent me home with "Mupiricon" an antibacterial cream... I had to have it filled and it cost me $60.00... "Stop using Curaderm" he said, and smeared some of his "bacterial cream" he had in the office on me, and sent me PACKEN...

And "when you heal, in 4 to 6 weeks" , I'll have you back and we will look at it... After that maybe we can Biopsy...

MEANWHILE, I haven't worked in 6 MONTHS!! I've lost my job, my car, and my home, and my folks are putting me up and feeding me, while I waste away dying in huge amounts of pain from Curaderm, which heals one spot, and another pops up again... Some of the spots have not healed at all...

FOLKS PLAIN AND SIMPLE DON'T USE CURADERM... IT'S IN MY OPINION A HUGE SCAM...
IT HAS DONE NOTHING BUT SCAR ME FOREVER, CAUSE IT'S AN EXFOLIANT...
The more you put on, the bigger the hole...
And if you need any advice, forget it... No CURADERM tech support will ever talk to you on the phone... No doctor will remotely touch you looking like a zombie (the walking dead)...
NO ONE WILL WANT YOUR LIABILITY....

AND I SIT HERE AND SUFFER... BITTER,,, YOU BET YOUR ASS...

And TO THE PREVIOUS POSTER ,I have NEVER SEEN Curaderm work within 2 weeks, cause you didn't have Cancer buddy...

I used it before on a 1/8" spot on my lip and it took 100 days to heal... Grant it to you, it looks pretty good today, but is there still cancer underneath 6 years later... Who knows...

BE FOREWARNED PEOPLE.... STAY AWAY FROM CURADERM....
You'll never know if you will heal for sure...
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2013 :  22:34:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tmainstayr,

I am terribly distraught by your horrible situation.

I did post previously as follows: biopsy of lesions showed BCC and SCC, one each. I chose not to wait 2.5 weeks for surgery, [for fear of metastasis of the squamous cell carcinoma] and started Curaderm. After 2 weeks, too much pain, enlarging open lesion; checked with MD, too much inflammation for either surgery as planned or for a repeat biopsy. Rx'd weak corticosteroid cream to reduce inflammation, followed in 1 week by repeat biopsies. Both showed negative for any cancer. Open lesions healed with only Vaseline applied thereafter.

This is a pre-and post-biopsy confirmed cure with Curaderm, but not following package directions to treat until normal skin covers area.

I share your cynicism about MD's motivation. Patients seem like they are only a "video game" to the doc--good to win, but if you lose, fine, next....

This is not our vision of the community, small town doc who knows and cares about patients as individuals, whole people. They have forgotten or never embraced the true mission of the doctor: to ease suffering and prolong life...which covers a lot more ground than fixing a knee or Rx for heart.

I did not allow myself to progress to your stage of trouble...perhaps you could not avoid it due to finances, and I wonder if you would have reason to confer with an attorney if your insurance failed you.

I certainly wish you well, my friend, and my heart goes out to you and others on this list with similar experiences. We tread a "tight rope" when we must decide against waiting for adequate medical care and take action ourselves, with the exploiters not easily differentiated from the honest helpers. They must both make a profit to keep going--hard to tell which is which.

warmest best wishes.
Richard.
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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2013 :  05:18:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Comment on time to use Curaderm.

Reading through the comments it seems that the time people use Curaderm varies. My UK dermatologist did a biopsy on the suspicious bleeding lesion on my ear and the results were BCC and SCC although described as early stages. The USA dermatologist prescribed Fluorouracil with application instructions of twice daily for two weeks then treatment with Desonide Cream for healing. Since I was using Curaderm on one area and Fluorouracil on another, as a test, I followed the same instructions for both - that is twice a day application for two weeks. I did not use either Curaderm or Fluorouracil until healed but rather just the two weeks. The UK dermatologist confirmed that I had no remaining cancer when checked 1 1/2 months later.

One can not draw conclusions from a few incidents but in my case both products seemed to work with only a two week application. For sure, there was NO SIGNS OF HEALING when I stopped using each cream. I looked like Mohammed Ali had rumbled with me. Also in my case the cancers were described as very early stage.

In terms of Dermatologists we should remember that all of us have some basic instincts that sometimes fight each other within us. The Dermatologist must want to see their patients improve but they also do this for a living meaning that there will naturally be some callousness creeping in as they see cancer every day. They also need to earn a living and medical school is neither cheap or short. I worry that the Dermatologist or their business manager needs to maximize revenue so I told both the UK and the US dermatologist receptionist that I did not have insurance since I was able to pay for any treatment whatever the cost. Was that true? Well, I have no insurance - but medical expenses could bankrupt Bill Gates.

SO my thoughts and questions relates to how long to use treatments like Curaderm - is it until healed or is it a length of time to kill the cancer cells? A related thought is are these cream treatments more effective against early stages skin cancer?
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2013 :  11:41:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re: Bruce's last post

Here is another case history in which Curaderm was used for 2 weeks, and stopped well before complete healing, and resulting in biopsy proven removal of non-melanoma skin cancer.

Please note that in both cases, Desonide was used to stop the intense inflammatory response after the 2 week application of Curaderm, and to allow healing. Please note that, in my opinion, since Desonide is a weak corticosteroid [ "cortisone"] which is not a "healing" cream, it should not be used without a dermatologist's directions.

Although we know now of only 2 cases like this, I'm convinced that Curaderm has a place, but only with biopsy support. And never on melanoma.

Please everyone remember that malignant melanoma, of which I have had 3, CAN be amelanotic [no pigment]!!! Very very lethal! Mine was missed by several non-dermatologist MD's, considered an inconsequential rash!! I face the possibility of fatal metastasis FOR 10 YEARS!!!! [after complete removal and "clean" borders--by the "breadloafing technique of pathology which doesn't actually see the entire border].

I cannot too strongly reaffirm my position that ALL skin lesions need to be evaluated for melanoma by a specialist. Of course, each patient can learn which are definitely NOT melanoma for his/her particular skin type, and then be selective in choosing a course of action.

Please note that 5-fluorouracil is EXTREMELY dangerous, based on individual genetics, specifically a dihydropyrimidine dehydrogenase [DPD] deficiency, which can be tested for. Even in small topical doses, this can be very serious systemically, especially to the central nervous system [demyelination].

This therefore raises the very good question of how to select between topical 5-FU and Curaderm in cases where DPD testing is not available. My take would be that anyone having skin cancer be tested for DPD deficiency prior to the need.

By the way, what Bruce refers to regarding doctor's lack of emotional concern is called "Compassion fatigue", and is especially prevalent among our stalwart oncologists...possibly the most demanding of all specialties.

Thanks to Bruce for adding to our database regarding short term use of Curaderm. I hope others will do so...."Together, we stand..."

warm regards,
Richard
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2013 :  19:02:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Message for VETDOC again,

Vetdoc,

I am unfortunately still treating with Curaderm, as I am still in deep trouble... I now have been to 1 dermatologist, and my PCP doctor...

The dermatlogist took at look at my skin condition and thought it may be impetigo... Which off course looks like the way Curaderm works...

So instead of trying EVERY lesion, I tried just one, and within 24 hours this ISOLATED lesion, at least 1 inch away from everything else has healed up completely... This way 2 weeks ago.. I keep this lesion under it's own tape isolated from everything else..

He WOULDN'T prescribe me Desonide cream, but instead Bactroban cream... Right now, there is a purple type of scar, bigger than the original 2 dots that were left over from Curaderm... So basically, the old lesion was healed up ALMOST completely by Curaderm, then the last of the lesion, now 2 pieces(close near each other) where treated for a total of 3 days with Bactroban..

So, I can see the original old scar... Weird... Did you see the same thing Vetdoc?

The only real problem is that my skin turned terribly purple, like a bad allergic reaction, and got OTHER untreated areas of Bactroban purple too.. In fact a few other Curaderm treated lesions near the Bactroban treated area got purple too and seemed to add more skin INSIDE the lesion, AKA "filling the pothole a little", but not shrinking the diameter of the lesion, as you would see with normal typical Curaderm healing...

At this point, I have a completely skinned over, decent looking lightly purple scar in the Bactroban treated area...

I read the purple skin is a reaction to the (PEG) or polypropylen glycol(aka antifreeze) or as the write up for bactroban calls it a skin thickening agent...

PLEASE IF YOU CAN, EMAIL ME DIRECTLY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HELP ME...

Anyway, I called the Dermatologist doctor and he said to stop using it.. I said hey it worked, but I turned purple...

Other people on the internet have used Bactroban on cuts, and what not, and have had similar "purple" reactions, but not all... You see, my skin lesions are wide open, as in no dermis, so better absorption.. PEG is used to "penetrate" thick skin...

Anyway.. My dermatologist said he's never seen that happen... But he is very young, inexperienced and really doesn't give a shi*... I'm sure his patients don't call him up and give him every detail, and if they do, they say "hey doc i got a little red scar" and he says "hey that's normal"... This doctor is a talker, doesn't like details, and really doesn't care... Not a very concerned person...

My point for talking about this is, I never did have my condition Biopsied or tested for bascterial or fungal, which will happen hopefully shortly.. I want to be immediately SWABBED for MRSA(impetigo staph infection)... Before they started digging more holes...

My question to you, the 64 thousand dollar question is, when you used DESONIDE to CLOSE the OPEN Curaderm lesions, what happened?

When you quit, did you go from Curaderm one day, and next treatment to Desonide?
Did it turn purple?
Did you see an old scar, red or purple?
Did it heal and look normal?
How may days did it take??
You the only one I ever heard of STOP Curaderm with success, that I have conversated with...

PLEASE , PLEASE write up some details TO HELP ME!!, or if you prefer email me directly if you don't want them public!!!

I think this may all be bacterial, and I keep spreading it, as Curaderm states this won't kill MRSA if you have it...

And I had red spots along my jawline BEFORE, where I used to shave... All of this before I started treating with Curaderm 6 months ago...

Remember, I am suffering HORRIBLY with Curaderm, and my lesions seem to heal, then come back and get worse, and often deeper and longer to heal up again...

Your valued input of healing experience WITH Desonide cream may be the ticket for me, and finding out what I should expect to see, provided I can get the doctor to give me Desonide cream which will help me greatly...

Please help!!! You input on HOW it healed up your open skin is what I need to know!!!

Thanks...
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2013 :  20:31:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr

obviously, since i am not an MD i cannot suggest treatment for another person. i only recount my own experiences, and recite medical facts, available to anyone on the net.

The problem is that without medical training, it is difficult for a person to interpret what they read. For example, you have incorrectly called Desonide a "healing cream". It is a weak corticosteroid--which you can study in depth, starting with Wikipedia.

I cannot strongly enough recommend you follow a dermatologist's directions. A diagnosis must precede treatment. I don't recommend you use any treatment without a thorough diagnostic work up, including biopsy and cultures.

Please note that I personally never act except with the advice from my personal doctors. Especially in dermatology, where diagnosis for many conditions is not available without pathologist consultation.

I DO care. But I obey all laws. Please understand, and do not think poorly of me for not trying to diagnose or prescribe.

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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2013 :  21:37:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc

I just asked you what happened to your skin when you used Denoside cream?

It isn't a legal question...

You said you healed?
Did your lesions turn purple, red, did you have a scar?
What happened?

I'm not asking you FOR TREATMENT...

You are not MY LEGAL DOCTOR?

You state things here... And don't back them up?

This FORUM is all about what happened to you and how the treatment of Curaderm reacted to you....

If you're not willing to discuss HOW you healed that's your business...

But is IS SEVERELY DISAPPOINTING that you WON'T EVEN DISCUSS WHETHER you turned blue....

So YES, I am offended.... When I have no one to ask their opinion or their accounts of what happpened to them when they used Curaderm...... A so called "wonder cancer drug" that has severely deformed myself, and I can't seem to STOP the drug and put a cream on to heal...

You accounts in your own words what happened to you...
Like....

Well when I used Curaderm, on the suspected area of Cancer, the area exfoliated the top layer of skin, and openend larger and larger to finally stop at a border... Over time these borders grew smaller and smaller as puss (phagocytes) were ejected from the skin.... A painful DAILY process.... The lesions grew smaller and smaller and some healed, some have not...

All as I am asking is WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR SKIN WHEN you used Denoside Cream? Did it heal overnight? did it puss.. Did it turn purple?

You account of how you stopped Curaderm and what your skin looked like during the process...

That's all...

My DOCTOR will recommend the cream to use, And I will make my own judgement...

Have a little heart would you...
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2013 :  08:48:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr

I have spent hours on this forum because i do care.

Your ungrateful excoriation is unwarranted and not the best way of motivating continued efforts.

I have expressed nothing but a caring attitude backed up by hours of checking facts.

Now you have motivated me to quit.

If this is not your objective--well it has been said that doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is unproductive.

It has also been said that people seldom if ever actually change their mind. I reject lashing out without regard for the true intentions and actions of the target of your anger.

If others in this group feel I have helped, have been kind, caring and generous, expression of your appreciation would be welcomed.

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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2013 :  14:11:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do hope that VetDoc does not absent himself from the forum. I have found his replies useful, interesting and well written.

For example, I had no idea that Fluorouracil was at all dangerous. Only after VetDoc alerted me to the health risk did I do some simple internet research and found that 8% of the population had a genetic defect that made them susceptible to adverse reactions, some extreme, to Fluorouracil. This surprised me since went the dermatologist prescribed it to me she explained that I could use the 5% cream for two weeks or there was a stronger version that only required a few days but was more expensive. I was told, however, that the 5% cream was more effective but the stronger version was used if the patient had a need of a quicker result due to work. I did not purse this is it did not seem logical to me why someone would pay more to have a treatment that had a lower chance of complete success. If the 5% has risks what about the stronger version?

As a more general comment, I normally do not contribute to forums as I do not appreciate flames. Some flames are simple misunderstandings since many forum contributions are, shall we politely say, not the clearest English I have ever seen. Some fames are a result of extreme emotional stress which is expected in a cancer forum. Some flames are a result of the anonymity that the internet provides as the author would never express themselves the same way in a face to face encounter. I dislike flames because I do not know how to reply. My normal reaction is to quite the forum.

In simple terms, I hope you stay vetdoc.
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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2013 :  14:39:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Reading Material:

Although the internet seems to be an unending encyclopedia of information, I do like printed material. May I suggest two books:

The Eggplant Cancer Cure by Bill Cham
This is obviously about Curaderm but has extensive information about skin cancer and some useful pictures albeit a few gruesome.

Anti-Cancer - A New Way of Life by David Servan-Schreiber
I have found this book fascinating in its explanation of cancer. The author is a doctor who had cancer himself. In fairly noon-technical writing he explains some of the possible causes of cancer, the bodies immune system and how one can improve the odds in fighting cancer.

Both books are on Amazon in printed form and the Anti-cancer book is also available in Kindle form.
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2013 :  19:54:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bruce.

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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2013 :  22:07:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

Simply put...
I asked you to share your experienced with STOPPING USING Curaderm...

That's all...

What was your experience stopping Curaderm???
You used Desonide Cream , which is what one of my dermatologist wants to use on me... Since your spot came back negative biopsy AFTER "short stopping" the Curaderm treatment due to excessive pain, what symptoms did Desonide do to your skin?

Did it HEAL INSTANTLY?
Did it turn colors, red or purple?

Please don't quit, share your experiences with me and the forum so other people, if they can't stand the terrible pain, can stop using Curaderm and seek professional dermatological help like me...

See VETDOC, I do value your opinion, and want to thank you to tell you I am stopping using Curaderm, But I don't want a serious infection or complications...

Bactroban was one way, but I was allergic, so now upon your suggestion, my doctor feels that Desonide .05% may be worth a shot, but HE DOESN'T KNOW anybody that has used or quit for that matter Curaderm, a non-fda drug I should have never used in the first place...

I going to a Mohs surgeon next week, thank god, and I gotta stop this Curaderm, as it is causing more damage than good...

So please , please share your experience... From what you told me, your skin healed within a few days, but should I experience :
1. Rash
2. Severe pain
3. pus

What happenned to you...
Please, you input on this matter is invaluable...

Thanks
tmainstayr
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 04/17/2013 :  13:09:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr,

Abusive behavior is not rectified by asking for even more help!

Your anger is so close to the surface, so misplaced, inappropriate and so counter-productive. It reminds me of adolescence.

I understand frustration. The remedy for me has been in finding new means of accomplishing the blocked objectives, and not simply demanding more.

And when i have been wrong, acknowledging my failings and making a commitment not to repeat them has sometimes sufficed...not always. Sometimes I had to repeat the same mistakes before finally learning and finally changing. Difficult for me.

And I have learned to be a better friend by not ignoring or 'shining on' serious breaches by my friends. Also difficult for me, because I care for my friends, and a few have reacted by withdrawing. My loss then.

You'll probably either hate or love this note. Up to you, of course.

But either way, I'm done spending time with this.

Besides which, the best suggestion i have is to see your dermatologist and follow directions. You don't really need to know about my experience, because your case is not identical to mine. And i've already done it, in detail, with facts, generously, and obviously, yes, I do "have a heart", as you so rudely implied not to be the case.

Abusive behavior is not rectified by asking for even more help! Do you agree?
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 04/17/2013 :  19:38:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

It was a simple question you refused to answer, so I must assume, you don't want to tell me the details or you have never had the experience in the first place, and don't want to lie to me....

As far as adolescence, it's quite in fact YOU that can not simple answer a REASONABLE QUESTION of your experience with DESONIDE..

I still don't understand why, nor can I fathom it... Maybe it's because of foolish pride... Or your just plain vindictive...
But BUDDY, I hate to tell you....

This is A FORUM... You come and talk IN DETAIL, about your experiences with Curaderm, which INCLUDE quiting early and properly finishing the treatment...

The MORE DETAILS, the more other people learn from YOUR experiences, to see if they too have similiar experiences just as you... For an unvarified drug, the more drug interaction information we have, the safer the treatment is for others, like myself...

I just asked your experiences using the desonide cream, which no doctor in the world can tell me "what will happen", due to the fact that here in the U.S., no one has ANY documented facts on the reaction one may get with quiting Curaderm with Desonide, to make sure that there is any, if at all, any acceptable chance of risk to my health or anyone elses that tries to quit...

I have stated here on the Forum that if people DO TRY TO QUIT Curaderm, they can HAVE a DEADLY REACTION to other medications, such as BACTROBAN (MUCIPURON), AS it is NOT chemically compatible with the Glykoalkaloids that are currently induced in the skin, which can cause PEG(polypropylen Glycol) blood poisoning and KILL...
Thus it put me in the emergency room at 2am... Good to know, huh...

OR MAYBE I should not of discussed that here, and kept it to myself, so someone else DIES from drug interaction with Curaderm...
Not very Christian of you...

Drugs for Cancer, such as CURADERM are NOT FDA approved, now we all know for obvious SEVERE health reasons, should NOT be used by anyone on the market, anywhere whatsoever, due to POOR research, purely speculative results, and lack of medical and certified documentation, not only in the U.S. but overseas too...

I NOW must undergo extense reconstructive chemical and biological surgery due to the CAUSTIC AND DAMAGING CHEMICAL EFFECTS OF THIS DRUG.....

SO ALL PEOPLE BE FOREWARNED.... If you are not under Dermatological prescription and care and do not have a FDA approved drug, use at your own RISK, and SEVERE consequences including death may result...

I also now, more than likely, have a horrific skin infection called MRSA... This is due, not JUST to not having the right sterile tools, but sterile environment and applicable environment of the Curaderm drug, but LEAVING ANY WOUNDS OPEN FOR ANY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, EVEN COVERED can put ANYONE at high risk of MRSA, AKA STREP, or any other bacterial, fungal, or viral infection...

So, while your FOOLISH PRIDE, and childlike gall prevents you from saying, "my skin turned purple Tim for 2 days, then everything was fine", I will never know...

And I'm the childlike badguy... JEEZ... Take a look at yourself...

YOU HAD A MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL...

WHY? ?????

You helped me have the hope to get off of this CRUD and find a little , but very little hope, to seek good medical help...

One more little detail, would of made me feel at ease when I slept at night, and I could of said to my doctor, "this guy on the internet used DESONIDE, HE REALLY did it, and it worked..."
And when I looked in the mirror and had good similiar reactions that you did, at least I would know that I'm on the right track...

If I DID have a different reaction than you did, (of course you won't discuss this), we could understand that something else maybe seriously wrong and I would know to get to the emergency room quickly...

That's all...

But you HAD TO GET INSULTED.........I'm still puzzled...
Just cause I asked for a little more detail....

WHY? I don't even care anymore...
So don't even bother to reply...

I and I hope everyone else reading this in the forum will take whatever you say, with "a grain of sand", cause you can't and WON'T back up your story with details, that may save someone else from a lot of grief...

I just HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT...

Not to good of a word....

Shame on you and your foolish PRIDE..
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sixftlion

USA
15 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2013 :  20:54:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just created a progress video of my BCC healing with Curaderm. A couple of years ago I have tried Cymilium, eggplant, orange oil, etc. It kind of worked, but not to the final stage. The BCC came back. I got it biopsied,they recommended Mohs, but I don't like to be cut and scarred. It's close to my eye.

I bought Dr. Cham's book, read everything online and decided to be very scientific. I won't stop until it is completely closed over. By week 12 (normal treatment is about 8-12 weeks), another secondary BCC showed up and I just kept going. It took almost 5 months, but I got rid of it. I think the Curaderm is really impressive, but you have to stick with it. Cover it with the tape, and just do everything as it is recommended. I applied the cream morning and evening, and besides that it remained covered for 24 hours, for 5 months. It is really cool to see in the first 1-3 weeks, how the spot is growing big, when all the cancer cells are found, killed and expelled. Then it starts closing and healing again. I also got tremendous help from Ms. Brooke Burton at the Medical Science Ltd(Curaderm). I have been sending her pictures of my progress and she was guiding me through the process. I cannot thank her more, she has been extremely sweet.

If I ever get BCC again (I am a tennis player, in the sun all the time), I will definitely do Curaderm again, without a blink. No more experimenting with other stuff. I may sound like I work for them, LOL, but I am so happy that I cannot calm myself down :-)

Here is the video. It's graphic. But I suspect the majority of this forum has seen even more graphic things:
http://youtu.be/bmbPw9J1gbc

Suzanna
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JLO

Canada
14 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2013 :  12:21:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,
I am new to this forum (this is my only forum, so bare with me) and tried to reply to a post but ended up only re-posting someone elses post, so I apologize for that.
I want to share my experience and offer my most recent and the best treatment I have found so far.
I started with Curaderm last August to treat bcc that I think I have had for at least 5 or 6 years. When it would open up and bleed it was about the size of a nickle to a quarter. Well, with in the first 10 days, under the skin it was about 2" long and 1.5" wide and hurt like a son of a gun. So I used Curaderm for 94 long days, it looked like brand new skin appearing very smooth and just a little itching. Well, it started coming back...those little bumps started appearing so I new it wasn't gone. So, the beginning of December '12 I started using Black Salve. While very painful (a few sleepless nights for sure), this was killing the cancer better than Curaderm, in my opinion. I did notice when I would do small spots at a time it wasn't as painful and only when I was impatient and applied it to too large of a spot that it kept me up at night. This is on my temple so I am happy I can hide it with my hair, but my eye has looked red and swollen most of the treatment. So here it is April, and because I can't put the black salve on the whole area, at once it seems to be spreading a bit. I then got the idea to look up food grade h202 and skin cancer (I use this diluted to a 3% to clean the area as well). I know that a 3% solution internally can kill off cancer (helps other symptoms as well) inside the body but I didn't think about on the skin. I was on a holiday a week ago and decided to leave the excess peroxide on the wound after cleaning, then I placed a cotton pad soaked with h202 to fit the area and covered with bandages (takes 5 to cover the area). That night I could feel it pulsing inside...so I new it was in there and it felt deep. It has now been one week today and it looks like it is finally killing and healing all at once. Time will tell, but I must advise all of you to check out food grade peroxide for internal and external cancers. I am thinking this is the answer for me. Since I arrived back home I started on the internal regimen and I think I am going to do this for the rest of my life. There is a protocol to follow gradually introducing it on an empty stomach with only distilled water. So please educate yourselves before starting on the internal part. I read about the skin cancer portion on this forum, so check out other peoples results...I think it will give you all hope. I found h202 at my local health food store. It is not cheap, but you always dilute it down, so it lasts along time. Putting it in a bath and soaking is also beneficial. Check it out...it is another one of natures miracles.
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antgod

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2013 :  09:28:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey guys i started using curaderm yesterday on a black flat mole i have on my upper right lip. i made sure i didn't apply it all over my lip but just the spot. When i applied it started burning which i believe its normal but i notice the healthy skin tissue surrounding the spot started to peel. Should i stop using it? and will the skin grow back
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JLO

Canada
14 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2013 :  09:40:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In regards to the Curaderm on your lip...yes, the skin will grow back and yes it is painful! OMG! Now I am not sure but other people have posted that the curaderm made the area open up larger than it was originally (In Cancerous spots) . Mine was the same way, I don't know if the bcc on my face was that large underneath my skin or what. I would take caution and if it gets much larger, stop using it. I know that Black Salve will get rid of a mole and a mixture of castor oil and baking soda made into a paste, applied morning and night (keep covered) will also remove moles. I have used both on my self. To Good Health!

Regards, JLO
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antgod

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2013 :  16:22:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks I had also notice that the mole/spot has grew which got me worried but I will continue to use it. But I have one more question. How could tell if the treatment is finsihed and discontinue with the curaderm?
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JLO

Canada
14 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2013 :  18:07:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
antgod, to be sure, I would go to the curaderm website and ask them. I had a question for them and they got back to me pretty quick. Good luck.
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2013 :  00:10:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In regards to Sixftlion...

Glad to see your video on the Curaderm usage on that BCC... 20 weeks is a long time....

I RECENTLY STOPPED my Curaderm BEFORE IT DID ANY MORE DAMAGE, and went to the EMERGENCY ROOM AFTER over 6 months of treatments and 26 holes....

and yes THANKS TO VETDOC, YOU WERE RIGHT, I HAD TO SEE PROFESSIONAL DERMATOLOGIST TO DETERMINE THE BEST COARSE OF ACTION, THANKYOU...

The Curaderm spread DEEP HOLES from one spot on my face and to another and another and another....

And if you keep treating the same spot, over and over again, even after it heals over with SOME new skin, it will open up again, just as spots did with me, as your one spot turned into 2 spots...

The best thing to do is put a LIGHT coating on the lesion, of Curaderm, once you HAVE THE INITIAL hole.. Once the BCC is initially "eaten out" of the center, and it no longer spreads or gets bigger, you literally can stop treatment!!! Its true...

AGAIN, I will NEVER USE CURADERM EVER AGAIN, AND I SUGGEST NO ONE ELSE EVER DOES EITHER... MOHS SURGERY IS FAR LESS EXPENSIVE AND HAS BETTER RESULTS!!!

ALL OF MY LESIONS are now HEALING up nicely,(by the grace of God), after almost 16 days of stopping Curaderm 100%... Doctor verified no more cancer on any lesions whatsoever...

I'm now applying prescription antibiotics to keep area infection free... And alot of pus has come out of those lesions too, just like the Curaderm does....

SO STOP BURNING YOURSELF PLEASE!!! Take it from someone who has done this, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN...

Curaderm is strictly a "keratolytic" agent, not much different than "black salve" and quite as painful too... I am a horrible scarred nightmare cause of this stuff..

The contents are Salycilic Acid and UREA, mostly... Primarily Salycylic Acid!!! Urea keeps the area moist and wet, but DOES not protect against bacterial infections either!!

ALL OF MY HOLES ARE CLOSING ON TOPICAL PRESCRIPTION STRENGTH ANTIBIOTIC!! AND NO MORE CANCER EITHER...

Curaderm CAN and will leave you "open" to infections, severe infections like Staph(MRSA) and such, with complications...

Curaderm works, but is NOT exclusively selective to BCC or SCC cancers, as the active ingredient is ONLY .005%... That's less than a drop out of the WHOLE BOTTLE of the cancer killing Glukoalkaloid that is so claimed to "kill cancer cells"...

The ONLY REASON the skin closes is that the skin develops a resistance, after time, that is a "hard type of callus" after being subjected so long to a corrosive chemical...

When you start seeing healing, and you get some type of skin growing back, like what I seen around your 10th week in your video, you could of STOPPED and treated with simple "neosporin" then went to see your Dermatologist, for something more antibacterial potent...

Since I LEARNED all this, I have been subjected to a HUGE amount of doctors, dermatologist, lab techs and hospital professionals to confirm ALL OF THIS DATA... They all confirm, DON'T USE CURADERM!!

Short and to the point, if you are not healed within the first 100 days, it's not working, stop using Curaderm, clean and cover the area with either Neosporin or pure Petroleum Jelly, and get to a Moh's specialist FAST... For me the emergency room was the fastest..

WITHIN 5 DAYS I HAD ALL NEW GROWING SKIN on EVERY SINGLE LESION, AND NOW THAT I STOPPED CURADERM ,I'M STILL CANCER FREE!!! STOP NOW.... DON'T PUNISH YOURSELF...

I say this with the God's honest truth, and God bless you....
No one should subject themselves to this Curaderm chemical, as remember it "may work" but its just a keratyltic (skin dissolving agent)...

GOD BLESS..
Tim
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2013 :  13:47:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tim,

so glad your situation is finally handled! and your "Thank you " was gratefully received.

Now I await your sincere apology for calling me heartless or whatever you said--soulless?--I know a lot about medicine, and enough to know i don't know it all, and that specialists know more, and when I should refer and not continue.

My wife often complains that i DO care too much, spend too much time away from her caring for others--and she's right, she's marvelous and caring too.

I was hurt by your harsh words--and would love to have closure and completion. So please, if you feel and recognize it, tell me.

I was also surprised that no one else on this forum spoke up for me. That lack of support does not motivate me to work [for nothing].

again, so glad your problem is finally in the "handled" zone! Congratulations!! And blessings.
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Bruce Albrecht

United Arab Emirates
9 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2013 :  15:17:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice to see you back, VetDoc and also glad that Tmainstayr has a better tone. I do not know why (well I have some guesses) individuals flame on when typing under a pen name on sites when they would never take such action in a face to face confrontation. In a cancer forum most people need support but should not try to bite the hand that is held out in help.

My own use of Curaderm in my most recent experiment on my arm lead to a 2" very red/purple discolouration on my arm while the original cancer suspected spot was only 1/4". My wife became worried as it grew and grew. As before, after two weeks I stopped and began to use some general healing creams. Now about a month on my arm has a light pink 2" diameter discolouration but it is becoming less noticeable by the day. The central area where there was a suspected cancer spot is indistinguishable from the surrounding pink skin. This is the same as I have experienced before.

The other area on my arm which I was simply using as a control test area never developed the dark red/purple colour but rather only showed a very slight pinkness near the end of the two weeks. In other words, Curaderm had no/minimal impact upon my normal skin.

On other spots in the past I have used SunSpot ES made by Lane Labs which I think is very similar to Curaderm.

In a nutshell, I have had success with all my efforts BUT - NOTE - I have had some early stage bcc skin cancer and additoinal spots that the dermatologist called pre-cancer. I hope to fend off serious skin cancer by being early in my application of the skin cancer creams and moving toward an anti-cancer diet as outlined in several books such as Anti-Cancer and the series by Bill Henderson.

On my next trip to Florida I will see the same dermatologist on my now annual visit to try to stay on top of this menace. Y'all stay positive.

Bruce in Abu Dhabi
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2013 :  20:14:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your kind words Bruce.

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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2013 :  09:02:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Tim,

Glad you are getting a handle on things and what rough journey you have been through.

I, like you, spent over $300 on Curaderm and failed after months of curaderm burn torture.

My stance on Curaderm is clear and if you read what I say earlier in this thread you will see I am very clear I do NOT and would not recommend it to one of my loved ones though it may work for some people.


Recently I have come to find that there are 3 types of Basal Cell skin cancer and multiple sub types. I have never once been told this by a derm when getting a biposy.. They just say it came back positive as a BCC. Well I guess if you are just going to cut out the effected area with a knife it isn't all that important to know "What kind of BCC" it is. On the other hand it appears with some of the topicals it might very well matter and may ...MAY ( I don't know) be the reason why some people here have had success with Curaderm.

For those here that choose to go ahead with using Curaderm after reading post from you and I....more power to them and I wish them the best of luck and success. I just personally believe there are way too many other alternative approaches shared both here on these forums and out there on the internet to use one that FOR SURE does not work all the time as it is advertised and promoted. Especially when they are charging what they charge for it.


In regards to the "FLAMING" I am on several forums and have seen real flaming. I took the time to go through the post back and forth between Tim (Tmainstayer) and Richard (Vetdoc) and there is nothing that I saw that really deserves an apology though I personally think it would have been nice for Richard to share his healing experience with Tim as Tim requested..

Tim was frustrated, in a LOT of pain and truly scared for his life. Tim has been through a lot of hell these past months and though frustrated I didn't see the "Flame" I saw confusion, fear and frustration.

I had the same purple discoloration and spreading of damaged skin as Bruce with Curaderm..that skin has never been the same as it was originally...fortunately it is in a mostly covered area of my shoulder.



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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2013 :  09:10:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah...I forgot to mention one thing Tim...In regards to the medical world and "Don't use Curaderm" and remember I say this as a person who definitely "personally" agrees but.....

To be fair and clear they would say the same about bloodroot paste, Petty spurge and all the other crazy stuff we discuss on this forum..In their eyes we are all fools for not going the conventional route..of which the gold standard is Mohs Surgery...having had Mohs and have a skin cancer come back tells me all I need to know about their gold standard... It works...sometimes.

So does Blooodroot paste and many of the other aforementioned protocols
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