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tmainstayr
USA
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 Posted - 05/12/2013 : 19:40:40
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Hello All again,
Still healing nicely with prescription topical treatment... Now reaching almost 30 days OFF of Curaderm...
Vetdoc, thanks for the help, but there was no FLAMING attitude from me towards you... I simply wanted you to share your healing experiences with me... Now you talk about and others talk about PURPLE skin areas... I needed this desperate INFORMATION WAY BACK 25 DAYS AGO...
It literally cost me THOUSANDS in doctors, which I had to borrow from my aging parents, who by the way, didn't want to loan me any money cause they don't have it, and I'm unemployed to boot... I'm still just lucky to have electricity and food to keep me alive...
You can't imagine the INTENSE physical pain from Curaderm, as I was on 15mg oxycotin just to stand it... Imagine 2nd degree burns for 8 to 10 hours at a time, on your face, in 27 spots... and thats for 6 months too.. and the Curaderm people are like, well just keep applying it...
My dermatologist couldn't believe why I would keep putting this stuff on , over and over... Of course it damn near took me putting a gun to his head to read the Curaderm literature, which he still couldn't believe... (keep putting Curaderm on until new skin grows, and Curaderm tracks the skin cancer to the next spot(which you should treat that too)... It got bigger, and bigger and bigger...
Vetdoc, I needed some reassurance on the healing process, and I got that FROM NO ONE AT ALL, ESPECIALLY HERE ON THE FORUM... FOR the SHAME of you and your foolish pride... WHEN I NEEDED THE ADVICE THE MOST... Just because you give advice, and YOUR OPINION doesn't mean I have to take it!! I just needed to know what someone else went through with Curaderm, that's why I'm here...
So I WILL TELL people right now what happened to me and my opinion...
If you'd like to follow what I did, just make sure that if you can CONFIRM this with a dermatologist... It took weeks to get an DERMATOLOGIST appointment, and if you are in SEVERE PAIN, and can't get an appointment soon, I will write WHAT I DID below:
HOW TO STOP CURADERM IMMEDIATELY!
When stopping using Curaderm, you need to CLOSE the wounds on the skin immediately, by applying some TYPE of topical antibiotic is KEY to the closing of the lesions...
Whether they are cancerous or simply infected at this point, will be hard to medically determine, and is neither here nor there!!
As CURADERM does NOT have the chemical makeup (told to me through lab tests) to discern between BCC, SCC or simple bacterial, or fungal infections...
As their are many different types of skin bacterial infections, over 20 at least that I know.. AND RIGHT NOW The key is closing the lesions SAFELY, getting out of pain and seeking proper medical treatment...
If NO RESPONSE within 24 to 48 hours of a topical prescribed antibiotic ointment is noticed, and that is what I was told by the MOHS specialist, basically if NO NEW SKIN GROWS WITH 24 TO 48 HOURS OF ANTIBACTERIAL OR ANTIBIOTIC OINTMENT, it's probably some type of cancer.... NEW skin will grow back with 5 days!! It may not look perfect, but you will have a top layer of skin!!!
THE TRUTH ABOUT CURADERM:
Curaderm is mainly salycylic acid and highly concentrated urea.. Salycylic acid eats away at the Strateum Corneum, the outside layer (top layer of skin we all have), and a few layers below... While the UREA, at high concentrations(higher than denoted by Curaderm), simply debrides or removes or lack of the better word(dissolves) away abnormal cells that the body can not protect with its immune system...
UREA is successful at erradicating BCC and SCC cancers.. I found a PDF by a look up on UREA on google for treating BCC and SCC skin cancers...
But used alone, without the Salycylic acid, may heal over prematurely before getting rid of BCC or SCC... Average DOCUMENTED time for UREA to work is 4 to 12 weeks.. Funny the same time Curaderm claims...
As far as the Glukoalkaloid( the alkaine) merely reacts with the skin as a mild alkaline agent to counteract the high acidity of the Salycylic Acid, which after a few hours, neutralizes... (of course this last part is just my technical opinion but makes sense as we are dealing with alkalines and acids, different PH's..)
So Curaderm is NOT CANCER SPECIFIC... I would not recommend Curaderm to anyone because of this reason... Also, the human body can not defend against all bacteria in open wounds over long periods of time (without a Strateum Corneum).. aka top layer of skin...
YOU CAN'T LEAVE OPEN WOUNDS ON A HUMAN BODY FOR 3 TO 6 MONTHS AND NOT GET A FREAKING DAMN INFECTION... ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
Don't use Curaderm!!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE...
There are plenty of CERTIFIED topical creams available for treating BCC and SCC, such as ALDARA for one...
Anyone can youtube ALDARA.... There are some good representations of it working properly... Even my old neighbor at 94 years old, used it 2 or three times with great success ON BCC AND SCC..... And his immune system was typical of that age, poor, and still he had excellent success... I should of used this cream, but it's expensive...
NEW TREATMENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE:
There is also LIGHT THERAPY with a special drug administered, although still in the test phase... And also an electronic device still in test phase that uses THERMOTHERAPY the use of RF heating from a ELECTRONIC PROBE, to gently heat the skin area and kill BCC and SCC... Although I contacted the company, and their test results with the US army subjects were good, they are now awaiting legal approval...
So there are new hopes... I also DID try chickweed salve, on a few suspected small isolated areas, and had some success, WITH reduction of redness and new skin growth...
Although this cream is better for the healing AFTER PROCESS after using a antibacterial cream to rid of common infections in the final stages...
I got it at:
yodercountryhealth.com/products/chickweed.html
DON'T USE CHICKWEED SALVE DIRECTLY ON CANCER OR OPEN WOUNDS, as it has MINT in it, which will burn like hel*... But use this on the red spots when the wounds are completely closed...
I DID TRY petroluem jelly, and it didn't work for me, more than likely due to continued skin infection, but it can help the body heal if there is NO INFECTION...
So simply put, here's my experience...
PAY ATTENTION CURADERM USERS THAT ARE NOT HEALING
WITHIN 90 TO 100 DAYS!! YOU MAY HAVE COMPLICATIONS!!!
BE WARNED NOW!!!
1. Stop using Curaderm immediately... go immediately to emergency room, even if YOU DONT HAVE INSURANCE!!
(most hospitals have charity care programs to help either with your payments or pay the bill entirely if you haven't worked in a while)
DO THIS ITS ALOT LESS PAINFUL!!
note:
(MY PARTICULAR HOSPITAL IN PITTSBURGH, has heard of Curaderm... They have had a few patients with the EXACT same problems, that they don't heal... They IMMEDIATELY NEW WHAT HAD TO BE DONE, AS FAR as TESTING, with Swab tests, and later punch biopsy!!!)
2. I applied antibacterial cream( Such as neosporin or bactroban)
(bactroban was prescibed and recommended because neosporin after 3 days had no effect on healing the skin(I TRIED THIS AT HOME BEFORE EMERGENCY ROOM)
Bactroban is the opposite in PH, so expect the first 24 hours of nasty reaction, although NOT PAINFUL AT ALL... I immediately with 15 minutes after application turned DEEP PURPLE ON ALL WOUNDS and leaked pus violently...
Within 12 hours of treatment and bandage changing, I had pus leakage, but did notice healing on every single lesions.. On deep lesions, skin regrowth, but STILL a deep crater, but with NEW SKIN..
I would rate bactroban on a pain scale from 0-10 at a .5 to 1 ... Curaderm days were 4 to 7 on the pain scale, and at application 9-12... YES more pain than I could even STAND...
So basically, Bactroban will fight any number of 20 different infections, including staph and strep, which is commonly found on just about anything... This also includes MRSA...
If you don't have a bacterial infection, Bactroban will KEEP you from having a secondary infection, or a primary one... Simply put, it will keep you from having an infection...
Also, you may notice headache and dizzyness as the bactroban is a powerful antibiotic that WILL get absorbed into the bloodstream, as it is applied to open wounds... Bactroban IS specifically designed to work for open wound treatment, but expect to see side effects enhanced while getting off of Curaderm( doctors agreed this was not an alergic reaction to bactroban but a side effect of Curaderm in the bloodstream and skin, and they were right) Side effects will fade as time goes on and skin regrows)
3. Expect to have new skin growth, of some type every 12 hours of treatment with Bactroban, a "filling in" from the center out, with brand new skin (similiar to what Curaderm Claims{funny huh}...
4. Bactroban, according to my 2 expert dermatologists, and from my personal experience can be used until NEW SKIN completely regrows and leaves a gently but soft skin, which will be slightly PURPLE to red... The redness will fade to normal white skin later on, depending on the severity of the hole in the skin)
5. IF you see lesions LEAKING pus, during bandage changing, or extreme redness in areas, CONTINUE BACTROBAN, and areas will shrink in severity and size with 12 to 24 hours... always healing, some faster some slower than others...
6. When done, thank god for your healing and tell all, don't bother with Curaderm...
Now remember, I used Curaderm on my lip BCC in 2006 and it worked...
So coming from a guy who had the opposite effect, that CURADERM if you are dumn enough to use it, should only be used on REALLY SMALL spots of DIAGNOSED BCC or SCC and ONLY under doctor supervision( i doubt any NORMAL sane dermatologist would tell you to use this stuff)
7. IF YOU NEED A CONFIRMED BIOPSY OF HEALING, you must wait till the lesions are healed enough for punch or scissor cut biopsy to be accurate, as the Curaderm chemicals will give FALSE READINGS... BE FOREWARNED, YOU MUST HEAL UP FIRST TO FIND OUT LATER...
So, new skin grows, expect RED SPOTS and not a perfect healing... Use antibacterial creams that work for you such as neosporin, or bactroban, or like VETDOC said a topical cortosteroid( if prescribed)... My doctor did not believe the cortosteroid would be effective in keeping any bacteria at bay, although he thought it would heal the wound closed))
and finally... woof.. Book almost done..
Cause I'm closed up, but not healed up completely, as I still have 2 red spots out of 27, so 25 are healed, but still red...
VERY LITTLE DISCHARGE of pus, after all of this time, a slight tinting of yellow on bandages..
At first the pus was literally shooting out of wounds, after application of bactroban... No pus came out of wounds with neosporin, and no healing took place...
I'm told the redness and spots will heal completely within the next month or so... EVERYDAY I see VAST improvements in new skin regrowth, better healthier looking skin, and more and more healing...
I expect soon I will no longer need the cream or bandages!!
So my story is MY WOUNDS AT THIS TIME ARE STILL not closed...
But I got SKIN... AND I CAN chew food now...
Remember people, BARE AND SHARE YOUR PERSONAL experiences with others, so THEY CAN LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES... that's what this forum is about... AND IS the RIGHT THING TO DO, FOR YOU FELLOW MAN...
That's my story and I'm sticken to it...
Did I have cancer... YEPP I sure did, and alot of it..
Did I get an infection on top of cancer... Yepp I sure did... Although the type of infection I will keep private...
Is it healing... you bett.. Thank God...
Would it of healed if not infected...
YES IT WOULD OF... Some areas had the infection, while other spots didn't according to hospital...
YOUR TREATMENT OPTIONS TO CLOSE WOUNDS ARE:
1. Neosporin or Polysporin - if it works with 24 to 48 hours good...
2. Bactroban - for bacterial infections and 20 other infections good stuff... works great for me,,,.. and thickens skin up too!!
3. Topical Cortosteroid for swelling
4. Petroleum Jelly - to keep debree out of wound..
OH by the way -
KEEP the wounds covered with MICROPORE TAPE...
Just like Curaderm says to do with there stuff... Same method...
Believe it or not, Air DOES get in through the bandages, although it doesn't look like it...
When near the end use GAUSE or Cotton patches for wounds with tape, to provide MORE air to skin ... Redness will fade in weeks to a month..
MOST OF ALL - follow what the doctor told you...
I'm writing this for people like me, who couldn't get to the doctor and were absolutely in desperate need for immediate medical help!!
4 hospitals turned me away for lack of insurance and payment options!! IT NEED TO STOP IMMEDIATELY... IT KEPT GOING ON AND ON, AND GOT WORSE EVERY DAY!! Some spots would heal and others would open with Curaderm... A NIGHTMARE THAT WOULDN'T END!!!
SO HERE'S MY SOLUTION...
USE IT WISELY
God bless all..
SORRY FOR THE LONG BOOK....
I let the others take over from here!!
Thanks
Tim...
Thanks Anivoc, Vetdoc and others for inspiration...
Thank you God, and the Blessed Mother Mary for my prayers being answered...
I hope this helps someone..
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JLO
Canada
14 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 11:22:20
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| I used it for 94 days (very painful) and needed to continue with black salve, used it for 4 months but couldn't use it on the whole area because of the pain. So far the vitamin C protocol is working the best and quickest out of all I have tried. I started this back in August and I think it will finally be gone in another week or two only because of the vitamin c. I am on my third week of vitamin C. Check out the Vit. C forum and this is the link that I checked out. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html . I hope this helps... |
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vetdoc
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:04:15
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JLO
thanks so much for the valuable link to cancertutor.com!
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antgod
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2013 : 01:02:19
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Hey guys so i was successful removing the flat mole/spot off my lip. Im going to tell you step by step of what happen. the first time i applied the cream on the spot and it stung bad but after awhile i started to get used to it. After the 2nd time applying the cream, my lip started to burn. It started peeling slowly and i thought it was a bad sign because it actually made the mole/spot bigger and wider. My self esteem was very low at that point because i thought it was going to remain like that permanently. I looked online and realized that i forgot to cover the cream with papertape. so i went to walgreens and bought the "3m nexcare micropaper tape" Ever since that day i started to apply the cream onto the mole and then covered it with papertape and saw better results and effectiveness. after the mole disappeared i started to apply A&D and other healing products to prevent scarring. I used Tea tree oil which also helped alot. And i also recommend using a product called "BURN B GONE".. Excellent product for healing and preventing raised scars. At first i started to get a raised scar on my lip because of the burning. So i applied A&D (covered with paper tape at night) tea tree oil, and burn b gone, now my scar is gone   Bottomline: Curaderm absolutely works with wonders, im so glad i came across product. Now i dont have to worry about people looking at the mole on my lip lol and heads up, "burn b gone" is not available in stores, i got it off amazon. |
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zsweetgirl
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Posted - 05/18/2013 : 19:29:08
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I've been using curaderm on a small area that I think is a BCC. I had used vitamin c and orange oil in the past. The spot would go away and then come back after a couple weeks. I've been using the curaderm for 5 days. The area has grown and is red and inflamed, which I expected to happen. The pain isn't to bad, just stings for a couple minutes. But I seem to have a lot of pus. I'm also running a low grade fever. It's on my right temple. My right has been watering and my right ear is filling up. I also noticed a sore on my right gum. Has anyone had a similar experience. I'm trying to decide whether to stop treatment for a while. The pain is decreasing each time I put it on. I don't want to stop if it's too soon.
Thanks for your help
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ajayi tosin
Nigeria
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Posted - 05/28/2013 : 07:30:58
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pls,i'm a new member of this forum my father has skin cancer and i need to get curaderm i.e bec5 where can i get it in nigeria.
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davidcostner
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 17:44:54
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I thought I would share my experience with curaderm. I was diagnosed with squamous cell cancer in several locations and actinic keratosis in another (confirmed by biopsy). I opted to try curaderm because the surgery that the dermatologist recommended would have reduced my ability to use my hand, or possibly even resulted in the loss of my thumb, according to the doctor. I figured they could cut me up anytime, I would rather try something else first.
The curaderm worked in all spots, but took a little longer to work than I thought it would. My dermatologist dropped me as a patient for using curaderm. The spots all healed up nicely. The new skin is slightly pinker than the skin around it. My regular physician ordered biopsies of the areas after they healed in order to insure it had worked and all came back clean.
About a year after this initial bout, one of the healed areas developed a lesion. This was the last area to heal, one that seemed like it was never going to be done. I put some curaderm on it and it immediately opened up again. So, I am treating that one area once again. Wondering if this one is just too deep for curaderm to treat? Luckily it's not the one on my thumb or my face.
My mother in law decided to try curaderm on an area on her hand. After a week of application, her skin was irritated, but no lesion had formed. The curaderm was a skin irritant, but does not open up lesions wherever it's applied.
As a side note to anyone that's considering using it, curaderm is not the right thing for everyone. It hurts. It's like pouring scalding water on yourself several times a day, for weeks or months. The larger the area you treat, the worse it hurts. If you don't think you can keep up with it, then you should try something else. I would not use it unless I had been to see a skin doctor and had a biopsy confirmation of my cancer.
My own personal experience is that it works and that it gave me a best case example of results on my face and hand, but that it did not achieve similar long-term success on my forearm, at least not yet. |
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zsweetgirl
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Posted - 06/24/2013 : 19:38:24
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| I just thought I'd let you know my experience with the Curaderm. I had a small BC on my right temple. I used the Curaderm on it and it got really big, about 1/2 inch round. There was a lot of oozing. It was painful when I would put it on and would sting for about 10 minutes. It took about 5 weeks of using it twice a day, but now it has healed over. I also used the Tamanu oil at the end. It still itches a little. The new skin is pink. Hopefully the cancer will stay away. I think the treatment was very successful. I also did a low sugar, high nutrient diet. I think that helped too. |
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Reduxer
USA
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Posted - 06/30/2013 : 10:44:30
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Want to thank this forum for providing information that encouraged me to try curaderm, here's my experience:
I had a reddish area on my nose for two years, near the nose-pad of my glasses, that would periodically ooze fluid, nothing I applied seemed to heal it (Vitamin E, Astaxanthin, etc). Had a skin cancer exam, and the doctor did a biopsy, which confirmed it to be basal cell cancer. The doctor recommended Mohs surgery, which would leave scarring, and would cost around $5000. I discovered curaderm online, started applying it as recommended, just covering the reddish area, and covering it with 3M Micropore tape. I'm glad I looked at the youtube video (as recommended by a reviewer) of the Australian guy who used curaderm, and took pictures of the process daily, so I knew what I was getting into. The reddish area was originally 1 centimeter by 1 centimeter in size, after three weeks of curaderm it had grown to 2 centimeters by 2 centimeters, and looked nasty, like exposed flesh that should be bleeding but never did bleed during the process. Although uneasy, I kept applying the cream, and after reaching peak size at three weeks, the lesion began to diminish, leaving pink healthy skin behind, until it was completely healed at six weeks (no scar!). I'm very happy with the result. A couple of points: I typically applied curaderm once a day, since the 3M Micropore tape was easiest to get off after a shower, except for days I'd go running and then shower, applying curaderm a second time. I'd take off the tape, clean the lesion with Hibiclens antiseptic skin cleanser on a cotton ball, run water over the lesion for about a minute, dry the area, apply a thin layer of curaderm just to the edge of the lesion, and put on a piece of tape. Finally: 10 years ago a doctor cut some basal cell cancer (of similar size) out of my forearm, I still have a visible two inch scar, I wish I'd known about curaderm then.
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2013 : 19:41:40
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Frankly. I find it hard to to believe some of the posts deriding Curaderm that I've been reading here. Many of them sound unreal. I now regard the cream as a tool that has to be intelligently used while keeping the biochemical nature of it and the basic instructions in mind. My experience is the cream definitely eradicates skin cancer, and it apparently works by the biochemical method that the literature says it does. I first started using it in 2006 on what remained of a cancerous mole on my left cheek (it had gradually become a bleeding sore) which, after trying several other things including "PDQ," I finally had gotten mohs surgery to get rid of the mole. However, in about 3-4 months afterward, the cancer was coming back.
The area began itching again, just like before. Then a friend told me about Curaderm, which was a relatively new product at that time. I had to use it on several, `reincarnations' of the cancer in that area because the surgery had scrambled the connections between the cancer cells that remained, so the cream could not follow them all to get rid of the entire cancer as it normally would. I learned a lot from that experience, and six years later my cheek is about 98% normal in appearance, even with fairly close inspection. In the last year (2011 - 2012) I have used the Curaderm to get rid of skin cancer on almost all of my head (it looked like a red, raw, 'moonscape' with craters and deep ugly miniature canyons, eroded areas etc. while I was extensively working on it). I am still working on my belly and forearms. From all of this experience I have learned some things worth sharing for advice in general, and extensive cases, using the product.
First is that the cream will attack nearby cancerous areas other than the one that you can see and that you think you are treating. That's because of the biochemical way in which the "BEC" ingredient works. As the cream kills the cancer cells it creates lesions. On my head, I have seen it attack areas 1-1/2" or more distant from the obvious cancer area. I would get a little red dot or two, on clear white skin nearby. When I put some cream on the area, the red dots would produce craters, the size of a dime or a nickle, or maybe develop into a shallow eroded valley, one inch or two or more in length. Also, a lesion you are working on may `migrate.' That is, it may gradually shift or move from its original location. That's because there are cancer cells immediately nearby that are not visible on the skin surface. If it's an old cancer that's been growing for many years, the lesions can be deep, extensive, and require many months to eradicate, necessitating many tubes of the cream to finish the job. Yes, it is expensive if you have a lot of cancer all over your body, but so are multiple surgeries, some requiring skin grafts, all of the Doctors appointments etc.
Second is that lesions on the head can cause a lot of stinging pain when the cream is applied. That's because the scalp has lots of nerves, compared to other parts of the body. It can be like when you were a child and you fell down and skinned your knee, and your mother put iodine on it, and your knee `lit up like fire' for a few minutes, if not worse. To help with that, after you've gotten the micropore tape on the lesion to which you've applied the cream, you can apply a hot damp wash cloth. The moist heat will help settle the pain down some. Then you can move onto the next lesion. On the belly and ribs, it can also sting and burn for a few seconds, or minutes, but not so painfully as on the head. I like the two-inch micropore tape because you can cut it to fit the size of the area that you want to cover. Big gnarly lesions produce lots of pus for a surprisingly long time and will not appear to progress for many weeks. Then they will produce less and less pus and gradually shrink in size. One has to be patient.
Third, regards raised scarring. My head and arms are now looking rather good in that respect. Currently I'm working on my thighs and legs. But I got some raised scarring on my chest and belly that appears to be reducing somewhat as time goes by and I apply Tamanu Oil. I was told upon inquiry to Dr. Cham's office, who developed the cream, if you keep the cream application in the open lesions there will be less, tendencies to scar. To be honest that doesn't seem to make much difference. Apparently, the skin on different parts of the body has different tendencies to scar. Also, the new skin that grows back will be somewhat un pigmented. I'll have to see if the new skin is gradually affected by sunlight to have a more completely normal matching color.
Fourth is, if you get too many lesions going at once, it can take a long time out of your day to treat them at least twice per day, as is recommended per the instructions. That can be virtually unavoidable if your lesions are 'migrating' or the cream is opening up lots of new lesion area as I explain above. It's hard to resist putting the cream on new lesions that are near to the ones you are treating. It is very desirable to not be treating more than about two square inches of open lesion area in total. That's because of the strain on the body to heal, and the time required to treat a lot of lesions at one time, and for an extended period of time, which may become somewhat unavoidable as I explain. For example, I should have not tried to treat anything on my arms before finishing 100% with my head. I have been spending more than five hours per day on it all, in the shower removing tape, cleaning the lesions, drying off, shaving my head and arms, applying cream and tape to the lesions etc. If one has a lot of cancer and treats what one has in sections, then one will be 'at it' for a much longer period of overall time. Lesions will sometimes close up but still be red and inflamed underneath, but not due to any infection. To kill all of the cancer you have to continue treating the area until there are no more stinging, burning, sensations whatsoever when you apply it. Otherwise, the cancer will reappear later. To take care of that, I've found that if you reapply the cream and tape it will kill what little bit of cancer that you didn't thoroughly deal with previously.
Why did I get so much skin cancer all over my body? Probably because I was in the sun a lot for about 40 years. First a a 'pool rat' when I was a kid, and then as a beach lifeguard and a surfer. That was mostly back in the days before information was available about how much of a hole was developing over the south pole in the ozone layer of the earth's atmosphere.
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lucas1
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2013 : 23:21:57
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I am a 49 y/o male living in Florida. I have Had a BCC on my face (right cheek) for probably 12+ years now, and one in my left bicep for about 6-7 years. I know, I let it go a long time, but I'm not very trusting in the dermatologists I've dealt with and even less with big pharma.
Living in Florida it is very common to know people with skin cancer. Most I know have scars from letting the skin doctors cut on them. My Doctor told me it was nothing years ago, then changed his mind a couple of years later. It stayed fairly dormant until the last 2-3 years, so I figured I better get aggressive treating it.
I ordered a tube of Curaderm, and while I was waiting (about 2 weeks) for it to arrive, I read about people having good success with Ascorbic Acid (cheap vitamin C). I started using that while waiting for my Curaderm. I got a small bottle of pharm grade pure Ascorbic Acid at the health food store for about $5. I mixed with a small amount of water and fresh aloe gel (from my plant in my yard.) It seemed to be working similar to the results of Curaderm I had read about. I didn't have the micropore tape yet either, so my face and arm began to breakout with the reaction to latex Band-Aids I was using. I never had a problem before, but I have never kept Band-Aids on for over a week straight.
As soon as my Curaderm arrived I switched over, and it proved to be a bit stronger in removing the damaged cells. I am on now on day 11 with a 2 week vitamin C pre-treatment, so about 3.5 weeks total. The tan micropore tape works very well, and doesn't give me a reaction rash. The spot on my cheek is close to dime-sized now and maybe 1/8 inch+ deep in the center. It doesn't sound deep, but it looks deep on your face. The arm area is almost the same size.
Most of the old scar tissue on my face and arm has been eaten away by the cream and my body working together I believe. It seems like I have turned the corner where I am starting to heal now. The wounds still look ugly, but cleaner, if that makes sense. Less red and more pink.
There seems to be some widely differing opinions on the sites selling Curaderm, as to how to use it. I found a great blog with a link to a great site that gives good information on Curaderm and how to use it, as well as other related sites and links to inform of more dangerous choices of treatments. Here is the link to the blog. http://curaderm.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/my-curaderm-journey/
In case links aren't allowed on here, just search "my curaderm journey".
I also plan on putting up my info. with progress photos when I finish.
So far, so good. Just remember, no scrubbing the sore area. I was being a bit aggressive with the wash cloth and soap, and causing them to bleed (my arm and face). Both spots look better since I am being gentle.
You don't need the expensive soap some Curaderm sites tell you to get. They could irritate the skin, as some people I read about did experience.
Keep Curaderm in the fridge, which I just found out about today from reading the site that the blog links to.
Use micropore tape. It is thinner and won't make you break out like Band-Aids, and sticks well if you keep the area shaved. My lower bicep has a little hair which doesn't affect the tape sticking, but my face I have to shave or the whiskers keep the tape from sticking. The tape won't stick to the sore because it stays wet and gel-like.
I think I will order a second tube of Curaderm so I don't run out. If I have leftover, I have a few small areas of pre-cancerous spots I want to treat when I finish these 2 large areas anyway.
I hope to update in 2-3 weeks. I hope this helps, and I will try to answer questions if I can.
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dor5711
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2013 : 10:43:35
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| I tried Curaderm BEC and it was a disaster. I lasted 3 days and my leg was inflamed, swollen and raw! There was no way I could continue. It is now over a week since I've used it and it's still red and swollen. Putting antibiotic cream on it 3x day. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. I paid over $100 for the tube and it was a total waste of money. |
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Dave2001
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2013 : 04:00:18
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Originally posted by dor5711
I tried Curaderm BEC and it was a disaster. I lasted 3 days and my leg was inflamed, swollen and raw! There was no way I could continue. It is now over a week since I've used it and it's still red and swollen. Putting antibiotic cream on it 3x day. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. I paid over $100 for the tube and it was a total waste of money.
Very strange, opposite to experience of several doctors I've had chance to discuss Curaderm (and probably many others). Of course each patient can be different, did you visit the doctor? |
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gibsontown
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2013 : 20:29:53
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| Hello friends, I am using Curaderm (week 5) and would love to have another user to compare notes with. I chose Curaderm over the recommendation of plastic surgery with skin graft for a tiny (4 mm) BCC on the side of my nose, infiltrative. I first noticed it about 18 mos. before getting it biopsied. Of course, my doctor is not at all supportive about using a cream, but I told her I'd return to verify the cancer is gone. I'm curious how many weeks those of you who had success had to treat your BCC? any advice is most appreciated! It seems to be going just as described - and the manufacturer provides decent support if I send photos. How do you know when to stop? Another question I have is, which part of the lesion is the cancer - the white 'spots' or the reddish skin area? thanks in advance! |
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Dave2001
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2013 : 09:35:30
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Originally posted by gibsontown
I'm curious how many weeks those of you who had success had to treat your BCC? any advice is most appreciated!
How do you know when to stop?
Another question I have is, which part of the lesion is the cancer - the white 'spots' or the reddish skin area? thanks in advance!
This is very frequent question (when to stop) and I think that the best option is to contact Dr.Cham via thier support pages and blogs when practical question arise. General concensus is that in cases when it is not totally evident that cure is over (clean rose new skin appears visible over previous condition) it is better to do it longer, than too short.
Some small lesions on the surface take 2, 3 eventually weeks, although 4-6 weeks may be considered as 'standard cure' for not overly old or deep cancers.
Curaderm penetrates into the lesion and surrounding areas and reaction shows active phase of destorying malign cells.
If cancer is very deep, it takes more time and recommended agents as DMSO are suggested to increase more effective penetration.
From many experiences documented or just published, it is obvious that a degree of patience and consecutive approach is necessary ingredients for success.
IMO, when used properly, Curaderm is safe and very effective remedy for BCC.
Wishing you fast healing and don't forget to share your experience. |
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Dave2001
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2013 : 14:17:47
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My experience is that any cancer occurs when multiple things went or go wrong in the body.
There are many medical evidences when everything was done in perfect order (surgery, chemo, radio) and still illness occurred again after a while with death followed short after. On the other hand, in very, almost identical conditions, other person survived and never again faced something similar for decades.
I believe that the major difference is whether the patient succeeded TO CHANGE the pattern or core problem that led to the cancer.
Whether psychological or lifestyle or otherwise related, something either still remain (AS CAUSE) or is removed (consciously or not).
My advise, before any other decision, would be to strongly and effectively re-consider habits, lifestyle and stress sources.
Some well-known recommendations should be accepted as simple and effective thruths independently what will one choose as a cure.
No sugar or sweet stuff anymore (for example 80-100% cocoa chocolate bar with no sugar can be consumed from time to time), no alcohol (forget positive side of red wine), preferrably no meat at all (or at least reduce the intake), eat organic vegetables as bigger part of nutrition base, drink more good quality or even distilled water.
Absolute need for excercise, stretching, gym (this can't be overestimated).
Sun is good early in the morning, avoid it after that time.
Move outside of the big city if possible.
Read more enlightening literature and stop watching TV programs related to news, disasters, politics, stupid shows and soap operas.
Forget mainstream media in general and look toward natural in everything.
Aforesaid is simple to suggest, but I'm pretty sure that 50-70% of cancers would not happen or may be cured, if all that is properly implemented in life.
Mohs for BCC is faster, easier and cheaper way to get rid of BCC than Curaderm+proper lifestyle and habits.
Problem is that Mohs can do nice job externally and create illusion that one is healthy again.
Cancer (condition, if not changed) will wait for its new moment and very likely win on next occassion.
When I relized that I 'got' the AK+BCC, this was clear sign that time is for changes.
I've spent lot of time to meet with various top dermatologists (in 3 different countries, BTW) in order to learn from practical sources of conventional medicine (only that). I was ready to pay for visits and additional time just to get as much reliable information as possible. Some of those MDs are inded very nice professional people. I have no reason not to trust their skills or capabilities to follow written procedures and protocols for healing particular conditions.
Still, I was not convinced and decided to go tougher, longer and costlier way. That is to remove ground for illness and to treat it based on experience of people who did it with positive results and who accepted to share their personal experiences (I am amazed that, I even found some people in neighbourhoods with whom I could talk).
Would I recommend my experience as the guideline to other people?
Very much depends on what is person's general attitude on life's values and willingness to live new quality of life.
Fully agree that some people should better opt for official medicine and try to be less bothered with changes in their lifes.
It is their rightful choice and noone should take responsibility for them, of course.
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gibsontown
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2013 : 12:41:43
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Curaderm users (past, present or potential) are warmly invited to join a private FaceBook group (search: Curaderm Users Support Group )
Posts are only seen by other members - not your facebook friends.
Thank you!! |
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stephaniecd
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2013 : 15:22:17
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| Hello everyone, I've tried to read thru the posts but there are many, so if the question I'm about to ask is already mentioned, my apologies in advance. I have had no response from the supposed official Curaderm web site about ordering the cream directly from them. I've emailed several times and their phone number is a robotic recording that directs me to email them. I've filled out the form on their site also asking for someone to contact me. I keep getting (daily) emails from them to order Curaderm but these seem to be a sort of automated system. Also, when I've tried to just go ahead and order from their web site, the United States is not listed on the required list as a "cardholder country". I see there are other web sites that sell Curaderm, but I am not certain they are legit as I've heard to beware of counterfeit sellers. Where has everyone else purchased the cream? And why are the folks on the website www.curadermbec5.com not responding? Thank you to all for this forum. |
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Dave2001
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 14:50:16
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Originally posted by stephaniecd
Hello everyone, I've tried to read thru the posts but there are many, so if the question I'm about to ask is already mentioned, my apologies in advance. I have had no response from the supposed official Curaderm web site about ordering the cream directly from them. I've emailed several times and their phone number is a robotic recording that directs me to email them. I've filled out the form on their site also asking for someone to contact me. I keep getting (daily) emails from them to order Curaderm but these seem to be a sort of automated system. Also, when I've tried to just go ahead and order from their web site, the United States is not listed on the required list as a "cardholder country". I see there are other web sites that sell Curaderm, but I am not certain they are legit as I've heard to beware of counterfeit sellers. Where has everyone else purchased the cream? And why are the folks on the website www.curadermbec5.com not responding? Thank you to all for this forum.
I don't remember exactly, but ordering Curaderm directly from producer's site was easy and straightforward.
Also, as experience from using it.
From many other people's experiences and my own, I can confirm Curaderm BEC5 was efficient treatment for BCC diagnosed by the biopsy.
It may have limited curing rate at very old, deep and big area (even if under the surface) cancers, so we should be careful when judging efficacy of Curaderm based on specific outcome of some very unlucky cancer patients. I have no idea what can actually help if cancer is so big that half of face is full of lesions, it means that whole system is so sick that it requires much more than topical treatement.
Back to way more typical cases when rather small BCC is diagnosed rather early (it means not after 7-8 years of lesion being present and not diagnosed.
I have confidence that Curaderm can treat it quite easily within 2-3 and up to 8 weeks time. Cure length is not predetermined in advance and even Dr.Cham cannot say in advance how long does it take to cure each individual BCC fully.
This is individual and require a bit of self-diagnostics during curing period.
The lesion changes and it can be easily traced.
In the first week or two,usually small initial lesion turns to bigger 'hole' or 'crater'. It is frightening, but now we know it is typical or normal occurence. Accept it as reality.
Very interesting is that pus formation (in my case) didn't start immediately, but in about 10 days and parallel to that I clearly felt that 'lot of activity' is happening below the swollen surface. A week later it calmed down, although it was clearly not inflammation or allergy.
Curaderm doesn't cause major pain and initial stinging lasts for 10-15 min. max.
I believe if there are not tens of cancers in surrounding areas, Curaderm wull nicely focus on one that is treated and clean up few milimeters around center of BCC.
With smaller BCCs, after 2 or max 3 weeks it can be clearly seen that radical job is completed as affected area becomes healthier looking. I believe it is good sign that everything goes according to expectation and that healing is well on the way.
Important point is not to stop immediately when such sign occurs, as some smaller cancer roots may still exist and require consistent attack of Curaderm (although in much softer form than in the begining) to clean up everything.
So, it looks like that in very lightest cases two weeks is enough to cure and one week of additional preventive treatment on the top. With older or deeper cancers, cure might extend to 4-6 or even more weeks, but it seems that if after 8 weeks cure didn't reach the goal that patient may indeed need some alternative treatment that is more aggresive (this is assumption, not suggestion).
I don't think that AKs and smaller (not too many of them) BCCs do need strong salves like Amazon black salve, bloodroots, petty spurge or other cancer killers, as Curaderm does it elegantly (even if it takes few weeks more, I am somehow more relaxed with almost predictable way of Curaderm's healing activity).
Final thought is related to Picato for AKs and SCC (based on petty spurge extract). It is not effective as expected, even on AK less than 50% success rate, very impotent on SCC, not to mention BCC. Pharma that produces that hoped for high sales and they were pitched by MDs, but from some honest doctors I've heard about disappointment. Probably real petty spurge juice is way more potent cure, as several posters described (I have no real experience here).
In relation to open wounds and inflammation/infection, I would say be rasonably careful, wash hands, use hydrogen peroxide.
While Curaderm is applied there is no chance for infection.
Also, after initial week or two, Curaderm to be used in thinnier layer,just to cover affected area. It is effective sufficiently, more doesn't mean better here.
I believe that 70-90% of early or not way too old BCCs should be treated by Curaderm with likely close to 100% success, instead of MOHS and other surgical methods. More stubborn cancers may require stronger solutions or combo of surgery and natural remedies.
From my experience, I rejected Mohs and Curaderm didn't disappoint.
I am grateful for existence of this forum and people behind products like Curaderm. We all have chance to be more informed, enlightened and less of sheeps' mentality crowd manipulated by pharmas and very often doctors (Note: I strongly believe that many doctors are indeed good human beings with integrity, but commercialization and greed is present and one should make own homework, before any final conslusion is done).
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2013 : 19:40:33
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Originally posted by howardz43
Frankly. I find it hard to to believe some of the posts deriding Curaderm that I've been reading here. Many of them sound unreal.
Well being one of the people deriding it, and having been a contributor to this site for well over 10 years with 100's of post and pictures...trust me...I'm real..I spent 100's of dollars trying to get rid of basal cell carcinoma lesions I was led to believe Curaderm would "easily" eradicate..with nothing but a very long painful , expensive unsuccessful journey using it... maybe on small ones it works... so do a dozen other alternatives discussed on this site at a much more affordable cost... IMO the price they charge is unjustifiable.I find it hard to believe there is over $10 worth of chemicals in the 20 mil tube that they sell for now over $100 it used to be substantially less..
If you're happy with your results then you are one of the lucky ones with a small lesion that it worked on...There is no doubt in my mind you could have had the same success with other alternatives discussed here and been a lot less out of pocket...nevertheless you are a satisfied customer so that's OK... Just know there are many people here who were sucked into all the marketing hype including claims of 100% cure rate that just isn't honest or realistic..Every site that promotes Curaderm uses the same oversell and omits the FACT that MANY people don't get expected results... IMO deceptive and dishonest
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howardz43
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2013 : 00:00:45
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Originally posted by anivoc
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Originally posted by howardz43
Frankly. I find it hard to to believe some of the posts deriding Curaderm that I've been reading here. Many of them sound unreal.
Well being one of the people deriding it, and having been a contributor to this site for well over 10 years with 100's of post and pictures...trust me...I'm real..I spent 100's of dollars trying to get rid of basal cell carcinoma lesions I was led to believe Curaderm would "easily" eradicate..with nothing but a very long painful, expensive unsuccessful journey using it... maybe on small ones it works... so do a dozen other alternatives discussed on this site at a much more affordable cost... IMO the price they charge is unjustifiable.I find it hard to believe there is over $10 worth of chemicals in the 20 mil tube that they sell for now over $100 it used to be substantially less..
If you're happy with your results then you are one of the lucky ones with a small lesion that it worked on...There is no doubt in my mind you could have had the same success with other alternatives discussed here and been a lot less out of pocket...nevertheless you are a satisfied customer so that's OK... Just know there are many people here who were sucked into all the marketing hype including claims of 100% cure rate that just isn't honest or realistic..Every site that promotes Curaderm uses the same oversell and omits the FACT that MANY people don't get expected results... IMO deceptive and dishonest
Anivoc, please listen.
Perhaps I'm badly mistaken, but what you say gives the overall impression that you don’t like newcomers telling of their positive experience and therin saying things that do not support others’ negative experience and derision of Curaderm.
I have good results using Curaderm on some big 1/8" deep, very old lesions, not only the small shallow lesions such as you say it is only effective on. I remember one in my scalp that was about the size of a silver dollar coin with many small columns of healthy unaffected tissue sticking up out of the bottom of it. I kept on applying cream and tape for quite a while, and gradually the area filled in and healed. There is some smooth white scaring, but for only one of many examples, I wouldn't want to have treated that with anything I have read about other than Curaderm.
I like the biochemical way that Curaderm seeks out and exposes the areas of cancer under the surface where I cannot see them. To me, even though it is not what I was expecting, that is worth the expense, which to you is a rip-off. I think you pay less for the alternative preparations because you get less in terms of what those preparations actually do.
As I said in my previous post, I actually had a lot more cancer than was immediately obvious. I am happy to have found that out, and to be ridding my body of so much skin cancer. There is no way that having a lot of invisibly developing skin cancer is not an increasing metabolic load on the body. It is very likely that I’m going to be feeling better physically when I have gotten rid of most if not 100% of it.
The traditional medicine model is that you go to a dermatologist when one or a few of your many cancers become very obvious or are bleeding, to get one or maybe a few of them removed. You may be loaded with cancer in nearby or other locations, and not know it, but that doesn’t matter. You address one or a few spots at a time, and will probably die of old age or other causes with your body still loaded with lots of developing skin cancer if you’ve been outside in the sun a lot during your life.
I see no indication in what others have been posting that, for example, Black Salve does anything other than to eat away at everything directly under the location where it is applied, and produce a painful lesion in the process. I think that’s like getting an inexpensive surgery without using a knife. When you think that you’ve destroyed the entire cancer nodule down to its roots, you stop using the Salve, or whatever alternative preparation you are using. The hole will then heal over, and produce a scar to some extent, and that’s basically it.
If the lesion doesn’t come back, you believe that you got rid of that cancer lesion. Well, you may have destroyed all the cancer in that location, or you may not. The problem is there are strings of cancer cells remaining that the Salve will not follow out to the end of all the strings to eliminate the remaining cancer cells. If the Curaderm is used properly however, by the working of the body’s own organic intelligence it will trace and eradicate all of the strings of cancer cells in the area that the other kinds of preparations won’t.
Whether that is worth the expense of using Curaderm rather than one or more of the various less expensive alternatives, is a subjective personal decision. I chose to use Curaderm, and from reading the sound of the many inconsistent reports regarding the alternatives that others’ have tried, I am still not the least bit sorry that I did.
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Dave2001
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2013 : 16:57:41
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Furthermore, Curaderm worked in my case exactly as described and expected. It may be that smaller and slow-growing BCCs are easiy managable, but everything I went through was straightforward and within the plan. This should be clearly stated and opinions shared by both successful or not patients are extremely important.
I wish to say that I even didn't think to try black salve before givig a try to Curaderm, as whole black salve situation looks like way more dangerous treatment, what may be good for some other types of cancers.
Doctors are generally against topical solutins for cancers and deny thier effectiveness, but it is understandable given that Mohs surgery fetch 5000+ by reputable dermatologist.
In relation to price, Curaderm is more than within reasonable, independently on costs of production.
It works (in numerous known cases) and that's what is important, at price of one fancy dinner for two (knowing that it works would be enough for me to pay multiple prices more).
Although it may happen that some were unlucky to be healed by Curaderm, it doesn't mean that this remedy is not real cure or that it represents risky way to cure BCC.
IMO, sooner one realizes that BCCs can be relatively easy cured, easier will be to go to biopsy and start the treatment.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2013 : 15:48:17
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Yes Howard I would say you're badly mistaken..
No I am not against newcomers coming here sharing there success with Curaderm...Curaderm does seem to work on some types ( there are several) of BCC's and AK's. It certainly didn't work on my larger nodular BCC's
I do have a problem with people who make their living off of selling Curaderm coming here posing as curaderm users when they have never had a skin cancer or used it on themselves... Yes this has happened..more than once
I do have a problem with how Curaderm is sold and misrepresented on the sites that sell it and I will call BS till the cows come home because of how they operate. FACTOID>>>>There are definitely other options out there that work easily as well at much lower cost...
I know that after spending over $300 and multiple months Cuarderm did not do what Bloodroot paste does in 24 hours...
You are extremely misinformed about Zinc chloride paste / bloodroot paste but don't feel bad, so are most dermatologist and Moh's surgeons. It's especially frustrating to see things like what you wrote that it just burns anything it touches... NOT TRUE and I know it because I've personally tested it... It has no effect on healthy skin...
I won't go into detail here but if you seriously seek truth and wisdom it is there for you.....you can go through the post I recently put up "The truth about bloodroot paste" Here
There are links there to several amazing REAL DOCUMENTED FACTS including the most important one Dr. Mohs... YES the father of the gold standard in skin cancer removal used zinc Chloride paste WITH BLOODROOT in it to fixate the tumor...Zinc Chloride combined with Bloodroot causes CANCEROUS CELL DEATH even on melanoma..
The truth will set you free...
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lllinda
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2013 : 19:05:45
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Hello! Thank you for the invitation to join the "Curaderm Users Support Group" on Facebook, but when I typed it into the search, nothing came up. Any suggestions as to how I can find this group would be great! I have been using Curaderm for 14 days now and would really like to be part of the FB support group!
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howardz43
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 06:20:50
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Originally posted by anivoc
Yes Howard I would say you're badly mistaken..
The truth will set you free...
It is true, Anivoc, the truth often does set people free.
After having success with Curaderm in getting rid of many, big, deep, BCCs without much scarring, and reading briefly the articles you have linked, I think people with skin cancer looking for information can compare and evaluate whether Curaderm, or your recommendations, are likely to be the more efficient and cost-effective method of treatment. They also can compare and evaluate the consistency of what you say with the complexity of what those articles actually say and describe.
I'm not a Curderm vendor nor am I employed by Curaderm. I've been purchasing it however at CuradermCream(dot)com (sorry, I don't know how post a live web link here). The site has plenty of technical reading material that explains exactly how and why Curaderm biochemically works. It also has the relevant hospital clinical trial reports, etc. Basically, it has all of the up-to-date relevant info in one place, that several years ago got me to decide in favor of Curaderm.
The site also has a day-by-day time lapse VIDEO made by a guy that used it on his forehead to get rid of what in the video turned out to be a large, extensive, scary-looking, BCC. I had several in my scalp which looked like that, and it was interesting to see that I got virtually the same day-by-day results as he did, by using Curaderm.
To me, the main 'problem' with Curaderm is that it works so well. As I discussed in a previous post, the cream is so effective that it will start exposing and making more, obvious, the cancer hidden beneath the skin near to where it is initially being applied. If one actually has a lot of skin cancer and then starts applying the cream to those areas also, within a month or two, one can open up more total lesion area than there is time to deal with on a daily basis if one makes the mistake of thinking the lesions, when fully developed, will be small or not extensive. Don't underestimate what may be below the surface.
The Curaderm instructions say to not try to treat more than two square inches of total lesion area at one time, but that is as far as the discussion goes. In my opinion, the literature needs to say more regarding that topic. Notice in the video that the BCC, which the guy starts off treating, doesn't initially appear to be so large. My advice to those thinking of using Curaderm is to be conservative. Don't be careless by applying the cream in various places and then have to deal with, two or three lesions of that size or extent at the same time.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 14:01:45
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It is awesome it worked for you.
As previously stated my issue is that the company is not forthcoming / honest in the way it promotes the product. That's a problem.
Having been one of the ones who went through months of pain and waste of money like others here have posted, the FACT that it doesn't always work needs to be reiterated and made clear to newcomers here trying to decide what alternative path to choose.
IMO there are more effective, less expensive options.
To clarify I am not RECOMMENDING anything... I share my own personal experiences as only one point of reference. My mantra is do your own due diligence and research...make an informed decision and choose your strategy accordingly ...Whatever that decision is I hope the best for each every one of them. To pay it forward... come back, share your pictures (POIDH) and experiences to help this online skin cancer victim community make better informed choices and decisions...
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 10/04/2013 : 18:46:44
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Originally posted by anivoc
It is awesome it worked for you.
As previously stated my issue is that the company is not forthcoming / honest in the way it promotes the product. That's a problem.
Having been one of the ones who went through months of pain and waste of money like others here have posted, the FACT that it doesn't always work needs to be reiterated and made clear to newcomers here trying to decide what alternative path to choose.
The company does profusely emphasize first getting what one thinks is skin cancer, medically diagnosed. I understand from reading the Curaderm literature that Curaderm would not work on things that are not actually bonafide skin cancers. Also that it should not be used on melanoma, and metastatic skin cancers.
I think if the company were much more "forthcoming,” it would in effect be giving medical advice which, in some parts of the world, might be very illegal. It does however give some advice, if one will send them one’s medical diagnosis along with some clear photos of what the cream is being used on.
Maybe in a few more years there will be adequate medical literature and licensed dermatologists willing to 'coach' individuals’ use of Curaderm, solely from detailed medical literature even if they have not used it on themselves. Or if they have personal experience combined with medical knowledge, they could certainly supervise a patient's self-treatment on a regular weekly basis, or something like that.
My opinion is that even a dermatologist probably would not be a very good coach or treatment supervisor if they had not, first, used the cream on themselves. That’s why I say to study the Curaderm technical literature to understand how the cream works in order to better interpret what is happening as one uses it, and go-on with applying it effectively until the skin looks normal and there are no more sensations from applying the cream. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 13:09:10
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Howard
Profusely encouraging people to get their skin cancers diagnosed before considering use of their product is not what I am talking about...that is just common sense legal cover yourself advice. Topicalinfo says the same thing..
They are not forthcoming about Curaderm's efficacy..they elude that it always works on non melanoma skin cancers... For sure it does not ..
Please explain to me how eluding to the idea that Curaderm always works on non melanoma skin cancers isn't giving medical advice, yet making it clear that it doesn't always work would be giving medical advice?
You continue to defend this company because it worked for you..Like I said that is great for you...you are one of the luck ones...read through the post and froums here and see how many people had bad experiences with Curaderm...and this is with personal "coaching" and ongoing "buy some more"..."keep applying" advice from the company..
Curadern does not always work on non melanoma skin cancers and that is a FACT..the company should make that clear and IMO they don't.
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 12:16:10
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Originally posted by anivoc
Howard
They are not forthcoming about Curaderm's efficacy..they elude that it always works on non melanoma skin cancers... For sure it does not ..
Please explain to me how eluding to the idea that Curaderm always works on non melanoma skin cancers isn't giving medical advice, yet making it clear that it doesn't always work would be giving medical advice?
You continue to defend this company because it worked for you..Like I said that is great for you...you are one of the luck ones...read through the post and froums here and see how many people had bad experiences with Curaderm...and this is with personal "coaching" and ongoing "buy some more"..."keep applying" advice from the company..
Curadern does not always work on non melanoma skin cancers and that is a FACT..the company should make that clear and IMO they don't.
Anivoc,
It is plain from your ongoing that you consider yourself the 'resident guru' of this site, or something like that, and don't really like others posting their success with using Curaderm. OK, fine! I get it. That's your problem, not mine.
Again, however, I am going to address your derisive comments. For starters, the Curaderm company doesn't hint at or mention in passing the hospital trial reports and percentages of results. They provide the hospital trial reports and the technical scientific literature explaining how Curaderm biochemically works for anyone to read. They 'elude' (i.e., evade or escape adroitly) from directly giving medical advice by providing the literature? How exactly is providing that literature 'evasive?'
One can read in the hospital reports that the cure rate is remarkably high but not 100%, and the company does not say or claim that it is 100%. Apparently you want there to be company statements publicly warning that is not 100%? If you do, then I think that kind of standard should be applied also to yours and others’ elusive claims and disgruntled public website statements warning to 'stay away from Curaderm' because it is really 'bad stuff’ etc.
We are all free in most parts of the world on the basis of the company provided independent literature to make up our own minds about whether to try Curaderm or not. If you don’t want Curaderm to be available without an Md.’s personal medical advice and prescription, but the zinc chloride bloodroot mixture that you like(and are de facto recommending) is OK to use with no personal medical advice or prescription, isn't that a double-standard and similarly eluding? If it is not, why is it not? ;-)
Myself and lots of other people have found that Curaderm works very well, and I don't consider myself "lucky" or some especially fortunate case. I have a normal average human body bred on planet Earth like most people do, not that of a humanoid alien from some other planet, and I am not a Curaderm employee. I have found that Curaderm works as the company literature indicates that it does, which is what I would bet that the overwhelming majority of people using it per the company’s instructions have found.
As I posted previously, the main problem I have found is there is not enough discussion in the Curaderm literature or by the company of how the cream works so well by following the path of the cancer that it will expose nearby cancer areas, and that one may need to be very careful, if one has a life of sun exposure, to not ‘bite off more than one can chew’ by applying the cream to everything that begins showing up, and then have more lesions to treat than one has time for on a daily basis.
The literature says the cancer spot or area that the cream is applied to will, flare up, grow considerably larger in appearance, and get very 'angry-looking' like an infection. I've seen that myself many, many, times. Even when one already knows what is going to happen from personal experience that is naturally disconcerting psychologically. Especially if one is dealing with what looked small initially, but then turned into a big, deep, scary, grotesque, ugly lesion.
The 'trick' however is to keep on applying the cream and tape. I've had to persevere for weeks of doing that while a big lesion produces copious amounts of pus loaded with dead cancer cells that the body is excreting. It may go on doing that day after day, for MANY WEEKS, and show no apparent progress. That seems to me to be where some people evidently begin freaking-out and start thinking the lesion is "infected" and that Curaderm doesn't work, or it doesn't always work, it is a 'fraud,' the company is dishonest etc., blah, blah, blah.
They start trying or inventing all kinds of combined treatments for their self which they have read about, and/or other ways to fix their immediate difficulty with a big bad lesion and thus to get out of the situation they believe that they are in. They may go to various MD’s or dermatologists who have not read the Curaderm literature but who will try very honestly to give good medical advice based on what they can see and examine and from what the patient says.
However, if one will go on with the Curaderm treatment per the instructions, as I and many others have found, a time will come, wherein the inflamation process over the course of a few days will relatively suddenly stop and the healing phase of the treatment process will begin. The lesion will begin noticeably producing less pus, and it will gradually shrink from the sides inward and from the bottom up. The whole thing will slowly reduce to a relatively smooth reddish colored surface area. One should continue applying thin layers of cream with tape until the area is normal in appearance, maybe a bit pink, but not red, and there are no more sensations when the cream is applied.
That's basically it, IMO. I’ve now said all that I have to say. Visitors here are free to read through and evaluate what you and others' have posted. Each one can assess their own situations, and think it all through for their self as to what the most reliable time and cost-effective method of treatment, is likely to be.
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 20:59:06
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Howard ...no guru just a dude with a lot of skin cancers and a lot of experience dealing with them..and MONTHS ( over 3 ) of mutiple tubes of Curaderm down the drain with no "luck" in eradicating my lesions.
I have nothing to gain monetarily by posting here..I am here because it has helped me / educated in my battle against skin cancers...
When it comes to Curaderm I'm out a good chunk of change so I yeah I won't stand by and not speak my peace about it.
No I don't by defacto encourage bloodroot paste. There are dozens of approaches discussed here of which I have tried several approaches....Bloodroot works but I am looking for a softer gentler approach...had some luck with some of the concoctions here but the jury's still out and I am still searching...guess what ...Curaderm is not a consideration for me...but I do have some salicylic acid
I encourage anyone that ask me to go through the site and educate themselves and do their own due diligence ..make informed decisions.
You've repeatedly implied that I have a problem with people coming here reporting their success's of Curaderm.. That just isn't truthful, as I have repeatedly responded back to you on this topic and made that point clear... but you already know that.
If someone has success...great, if someone hasn't that sucks...and boy I can relate.
You say you don't consider yourself lucky...you just used the product properly...stayed the course. You then imply all of us who were left unsatisfied "probably" just didn't follow the directions properly or fight the fight long enough...
I think you were one of the lucky ones.
Dr. Cham is a very smart scientist and a great writer and he hired and even better promoter Simon Agius to put Curaderm on the map.
Most of the evidence on his site is self written stories by Dr. Cham himself or testimonials from amazed clinicians and users)... everything revolves around Bill Cham doublespeak smoke n mirrors publications, conspiracy theories and the very slick marketing efforts of CEO Simon Agius who's other success stories include Noni juice and Tamanu oil... go figure.
I have no doubt that Curaderm will knock out some skin cancers...In fact I am sure of it..It does contains salicylic acid ( the active ingredient in aspirin) I have personally made a paste ( without the BEC5 just salicylic acid) and knocked out small AK's and warts with the stuff..
I am also painfully sure Curaderm doesn't always work because I suffered 3 months of trying it ( as instructed ) without success.
As previously stated in my opinion there are a lot of other alternatives that are not only as effective but MORE effective and a LOT less expensive...all you have to do is do the research here and elsewhere on the net.
Aside from the deceptive sales pitch, the cost of Curaderm is ridiculous and smells of greed..If as Dr.Cham eludes that his inspiration was the "mutilated man" and he did this to help mankind and earn a nobel peace prize (comical)....why does he charge $129 for a 3/4 ounce tube of the concoction. No way n the world the ingredients, packaging and marketing cost him more that $10 a bottle...what a kind, wonderful, generous and very wealthy guy he is... 3/4 of an ounce of which only 5% of it is the magic elixir from the Devils apple...less than a half of a millimeter of extracted devils apple BEC5...
I smell MONEY $$$
OK so to be clear if someone does the research of what they want to use and in making that informed decision feel that Curaderm is their best choice..I wish them all the best and hope they have great success..
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howardz43
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 11:04:46
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Originally posted by anivoc
BTW in his book he claims it was in 1990 that the mutilated man came to him and he was inspired to find a better way to deal with skin cancer....hmmm a patent search shows he was experimenting with alkaloids long before 1990 he holds a patent that was filed in 1980 that encompasses alkaloids and skin cancer.... shucks he probably just got the dates wrong.... Ah....the tangled web one weaves when they attempt to deceive.
Previously I was wrong. I see now that I haven't said all that I have to say.
There is no contradiction in Dr. Cham's statements. It is not contradictory that he filed the patent in 1980 and the visit from a mutilated man who inspired him to continue with his quest in 1990. Notice that he said "continue" with his quest. Not start his quest. Nor does a patent filed in 1980 necessarily indicate that his quest to help others had already been achieved.
Also, Dr. Cham is a biochemical researcher, not a writer or a marketer. So he hires a writer and someone to market for him. That is commonly done by people who is highly skilled or knowledgeable in a particular field. What's automatically wrong with his doing that?
Bill E. Cham: "I have never forgotten this experience and this, amongst other events, has inspired me to ensure that my attention was directed to continue my tireless quest for a better treatment for skin cancers."
There is no contradiction or tangled web in that statement. I think most people reading this, who can actually read, can see that (quoting you): "the tangled web one weaves when they attempt to deceive," is your projection.
Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people ... Projection works by allowing the expression of the desire or impulse, but in a way that the ego cannot recognize, therefore reducing anxiety. - Defense Mechanisms, Kendra Cherry, About.com Guide
I have no problem with capitalism, free market economics, or people who work and are inventive or creative, earning money. Evidently you think Cham's quest is mostly for money. Your 'problem' with the money he probably is bringing in now after years of dedicated research work has you sounding like a Marxist or someone with inclinations in that direction. Whatever!
It is true that earned profits are required for such an ongoing quest to continue, and $126/tube for Curaderm is much cheaper than the conventional medical alternatives. It works on most people as advertised and the cosmetic result tends to be much better. Thus there is a growing market for it.
Of course if you want to continue your own quest for something that works for you and is better and cheaper than Curaderm, you are free to continue spending a lot of your free time mixing concoctions. For the majority of people however, Dr. Cham has already done all of that and what he has developed and made publicly available works, and I am one of those who is using it to rid myself of a whole lot of skin cancer.
A Treatment for Skin Cancer and New Hope for Other Cancers From Natures Pharmacy
by Dr. Bill E. Cham, Ph.D.
$24.95 - 132 pages, hardcover
PROLOGUE
The “The Mutilated Man”
Sometime ago, in the 1990s, there was a knock on my door. “Come in,” I said. The door opened slowly, an elderly couple entered. The male had a veil covering his face and hat on his head. The lady said, “Sorry doctor but can we see you for a moment”? I agreed and both sat down. The lady said, “We saw you and some patients you treated for skin cancer on TV several weeks ago. In particular we were impressed by the segment which showed how your treatment saved the nose of the patient who had skin cancer. We are here to encourage you and support your work. I would like to show you why we are so interested in helping you and others. This is my husband.” She then asked him to remove his veil and hat. I could not believe my eyes. His head was disfigured. He had no nose, both ears were gone, one eye was half closed, there were large indented areas with transplanted skin on his head and half his chin was gone. I felt so sorry for the man. Choked, I attempted to say, “How did this happen?” “It is all skin cancer,” the man said. “Over the years I have had skin cancers that were treated by radiotherapy and surgery and this is the end result. I have been mutilated.” He was quick to point out that he did not blame the radiotherapist or surgeon for his afflictions, but he felt it was time that a better treatment was made available for the general public. “The lady you treated as shown on the TV would have probably ended up like me in several years time. Although it is too late for me, I want to help other people by not having to go through what I am going through. One of my latest treated skin cancers has now traveled through my body and cannot be treated. So, we are here to stimulate you to continue your work and to congratulate you on your achievements.” I felt so humble and grateful. This showed unselfishness, and compassion beyond expression. The conversation ended soon after. Several weeks later I had a telephone call from the lady who informed me that her husband had passed away. I have never forgotten this experience and this, amongst other events, has inspired me to ensure that my attention was directed to continue my tireless quest for a better treatment for skin cancers.
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 18:44:36
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I stand corrected .. from what you posted he clearly didn't imply that is where he started his research...my bad
Curaderm worked for you.
It did not for me and others here..
You strongly encourage people to jump on the Curaderm wagon I.E. what you said in your previous post
For the majority of people however, Dr. Cham has already done all of that and what he has developed and made publicly available works, and I am one of those who is using it to rid myself of a whole lot of skin cancer.
I strongly encourage people to look before they leap onto the Curaderm Wagon as it was a costly and painful ride for me and other members here..
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mojave melody
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 19:29:36
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Hi Anivoc,
You tried to warn me, about 1.5 years ago, but I believed that Curaderm was the answer. I did buy the book and it did suggest that Curaderm might not be effective on long-duration bcc's and in hard to treat areas. I had an open lesion in my ear. I lasted 3.5 months and though I was strongly determined in the beginning, the stress of the pain became so intense I determined that the stress of the cure was not beneficial for me. So, about $1000.00 later I opted for Integrative Therapy without the medical intervention. That bought be some time, but was not the total answer. After much prayer and research I watched a video called "Run from the Cure" by Rick Simpson and searched out the recommended products. Its still quite new and hard to find the recommended type and strength. I have also been on a raw food & cleansing diet for about 1 year. I try to stay well-nutritioned and still take vitamins and minerals as well. It has been amazing to watch the healing of my body. The way our bodies are designed are truly the evidence of the genius of our Creator. I am not totally healed yet, but have come a long way. In hind sight I think that the Curaderm company should be a little more forthcoming factually. Thanks for your caring. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 20:09:52
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Wow thanks Melody...timely response. Sorry Curaderm didn't work out for you..
Yes Rick Simpson recommends Hemp oil ...marijuana oil...hash oil...There is a thread on it here somewhere..
Great Video on it too..Haven't gone that route but considered it...dang pot oil is expensive...but if it works..
Faith definitely has a lot to do with mental attitude..and for me prayer is always the first option... But what exactly is the BIG PLAN...I don't know...
I continue to march on...I know I can use the bloodroot paste or petty spurge but I have been hoping to uncover a softer gentler way via all the great approaches discussed here... so far not so much and what I am currently doing ( which I am holding off in discussing ) has turned to a method I would not recommend to a loved one...but I'm deep in it and fighting my way out...what I am doing does work but the pain is right there with all the other ways...kinda of on the Curaderm level of ongoing daily OUCH... at least with Bloodroot paste and Petty spurge you go through a few weeks of hell and then just heal...with what I am doing I am going now on months of daily pain...it only last for an hour or so but boy that is a long hour...
When I stop..I'll write up what I did just to feed the info back..maybe it will click on something for someone else and we find that awesome solutiuon
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 15:12:58
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Originally posted by anivoc
You strongly encourage people to jump on the Curaderm wagon I.E. what you said in your previous post
For the majority of people however, Dr. Cham has already done all of that and what he has developed and made publicly available works, and I am one of those who is using it to rid myself of a whole lot of skin cancer.
My point is that the Curaderm cream substance, per se, probably works for lots more people than those for whom it doesn't. That is why there is the market for it that allows the $126 per tube price that for most people is affordable when compared to the price of the conventional medical alternatives. Notice that I said, the cream substance per se.
Obviously there are situations wherein treatment with the Curaderm cream wouldn't work very well. For example, last year I was treating a deep little lesion pit near the tear duct of my right eye. As such little pits heal, sometimes the diameter will expand a bit, as they become shallower. Fortunately the spreading diameter of the lesion didn't reach the tear duct. Otherwise, I would’ve been forced to seek medical help. Probably surgery. For a while, I was a bit worried and apprehensive. There are individual situations that one can be in, or get into, where nothing other than conventional medical treatment will work very well.
Because the locations of skin cancer don't depend entirely on where on the body there was sun exposure, but also upon how much solar radiation one has absorbed during one's life, one can have skin cancer in some strange places - places that virtually never were exposed to the sun.
I remember reading an inquiry by someone asking the Curaderm company whether the cream could be used to treat the cancer on his anus. Apparently he was serious, and not joking. I don't think the cream would work very well in that location unless he could get the tape to stick to his anus (LOL). That would be a miserable situation, but somewhat humorous in a sorry miserable way at the same time. Do you think that Bloodroot paste and Petty spurge, or some other approach would work better in that location than Curaderm?
I believe there are other approaches to treating skin cancer that might work. Before I got Mohs surgery for the bleeding cancerous mole on my left cheek prior to a professional nutritionist friend telling me to check out Curaderm, I tried a herbal cream preparation named “PDQ” being sincerely marketed by some ostensible Christian herbalists. Probably it would work on AKs and shallow skin cancers, but their marketing literature wasn't very specific and clear in regard to deep cancers. Neither did they have any independent, objective, clinical or hospital trials to reference.
It was formulated to get one’s immune system to aggressively attack the cancer. Such a nice theory, and it would apparently work. The cancerous mole on my cheek would flare up really bad and then a scab (eschar) would form which would fall off after about a week or two, apparently eliminating the cancer, but not entirely. Unfortunately for me, the attack by my reasonably vigorous immune system wouldn’t go deep enough. In a month or two the itchy feel of the cancer would be coming back. I tried time after time for almost a year to get that "PDQ" cream to work. Silly me!
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howardz43
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 13:28:56
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Originally posted by mojave melody
Hi Anivoc,
You tried to warn me, about 1.5 years ago, but I believed that Curaderm was the answer. I did buy the book and it did suggest that Curaderm might not be effective on long-duration bcc's and in hard to treat areas. I had an open lesion in my ear ... In hind sight I think that the Curaderm company should be a little more forthcoming factually.
You say the Curaderm book did suggest that Curaderm might not be effective in hard to treat areas. Wouldn't "in," or perhaps inside, one's ear be a “hard-to-treat” area? How would one get a piece of micropore tape in one's ear to cover a lesion? So this reader wonders just how the Curaderm company should be more "forthcoming?"
Should the book have said something very specific like, 'don't try to use Curaderm in or inside your ear because you probably will not be able to keep the lesion covered with tape. And if you can't keep the lesion covered with tape, you will have to keep dabbing the lesion with the cream many times per day to get it to heal.' In fact the company literature does say that if you can't apply tape to the lesion you will have to keep the lesion moist with the cream.' I remember reading it.
Evidently the Curaderm company does honestly expect people to seriously read its literature and do so with a modicum of education along with their natural intelligence. Apparently the company expects their customers to use some degree of normal common sense to think it all through relative to their specific situation when making a purchasing decision to try the product.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 10:54:37
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Howard....
You're response to Melody at this point is expected...
Using your own question that you asked a while back with the words in italics being turned around...
"Perhaps I'm badly mistaken, but what you say gives the overall impression that you don’t like newcomers telling of their negative experience and therin saying things that do not support others’ positive experience and advocation of Curaderm."
IMO you are way over the top in your defense of this product...maybe it's that you're just really happy with the product. Passionate about the product...
BTW the ear, dependent upon location can be a pretty easy area to treat and even in the most difficult areas would be treatable by other alternatives discussed here. Micropore tape sticks well and Melody was able to torture herslef for 3 months with it while getting "Advice" from the company...Maybe they didn't have any "Common sense"
Lastly ...You've shown up here recently as the latest advocate for Curaderm but have yet to post any pictures of your personal experience... It sounds like you had a lot of skin cancers and went through a lot to get where you are...Did you take any pictures? If so are you open to sharing them to help people make an informed decision?
Rather than attack those that aren't happy with Curaderm you're going to get a lot further in your quest to show how it worked for you with pictures...talk is great but pictures are proof of the pudding. |
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 12:57:11
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Originally posted by anivoc
Howard....
You're response to Melody at this point is expected...
Using your own question that you asked a while back with the words in italics being turned around...
"Perhaps I'm badly mistaken, but what you say gives the overall impression that you don’t like newcomers telling of their negative experience and therin saying things that do not support others’ positive experience and advocation of Curaderm."
IMO you are way over the top in your defense of this product...maybe it's that you're just really happy with the product. Passionate about the product...
BTW the ear, dependent upon location can be a pretty easy area to treat and even in the most difficult areas would be treatable by other alternatives discussed here. Micropore tape sticks well and Melody was able to torture herslef for 3 months with it while getting "Advice" from the company...Maybe they didn't have any "Common sense"
Lastly ...You've shown up here recently as the latest advocate for Curaderm but have yet to post any pictures of your personal experience... It sounds like you had a lot of skin cancers and went through a lot to get where you are...Did you take any pictures? If so are you open to sharing them to help people make an informed decision?
Rather than attack those that aren't happy with Curaderm you're going to get a lot further in your quest to show how it worked for you with pictures...talk is great but pictures are proof of the pudding.
Listen up, Anivoc, My name is not "Richard," but I will address your complaints about what I am saying.
First, I HAVE NO CONNECTION TO CURADERM AND/OR DR. CHAM, OTHER THAN HAVING CURADERM WORK VERY WELL FOR ME AND BEING A SATISFIED USER OF THE PRODUCT. I have an ordinary human body that is not some "lucky" (quoting you) or magical freak of nature for which the cream does what it's supposed to. OK? , You got that?
You said: "I think you were one of the lucky ones. Dr. Cham is a very smart scientist and a great writer and he hired and even better promoter Simon Agius to put Curaderm on the map." WTF, is your problem? How do you know, "he is a great writer?" I said that is probably not the case, and that people who are focused or concentrating in one field, are rarely good or great in other fields, and so they usually hire people who are, to do things like writing and marketing for them.
I am pointing out the various, contradictions and inconsistency, in the statements of people who are complaining about Curaderm. I previously pointed out yours regarding “the mutilated man,” and similarly addressed mojave melody’s. If you don't like that, too bad! Tough cookies, dude! I don’t have time to address them all. You sound "over the top" with the inconsistent logic within your statements denigrating Dr. Cham and attacking the product as deceptive.
"In the ear," depending upon where the lesion is, would be a difficult place to place the tape. Inside the ear canal would be virtually impossible. But as I said, such places may be possible to treat with Curaderm, even without using the tape, if one is willing and able to dab the lesion with the cream many times per day.
Lastly, I don't have a digital camera or a smart phone camera, and cannot afford one only to take such pictures with. I took a few pictures with a cheap point and shoot film camera that I have, but couldn't get close enough in focus for the details of the lesions to show up. Otherwise, I would have many nice sequential pictures to post. I happened to stumble across this site and feel appalled by the weird self-serving logic being displayed by the complainers here attacking Curaderm.
You said yourself a few posts ago: “I continue to march on...I know I can use the bloodroot paste or petty spurge but I have been hoping to uncover a softer gentler way via all the great approaches discussed here... so far not so much and what I am currently doing ( which I am holding off in discussing ) has turned to a method I would not recommend to a loved one...but I'm deep in it and fighting my way out...what I am doing does work but the pain is right there with all the other ways...kinda of on the Curaderm level of ongoing daily OUCH... at least with Bloodroot paste and Petty spurge you go through a few weeks of hell and then just heal...with what I am doing I am going now on months of daily pain...it only last for an hour or so but boy that is a long hour...”
Evidently, the stuff you are doing isn’t working any better. I really think you should disclose and complain here on this site about what you are doing, rather than ragging on Curaderm. As I pointed out you previously, “Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people ... Projection works by allowing the expression of the desire or impulse, but in a way that the ego cannot recognize, therefore reducing anxiety.” - Defense Mechanisms, Kendra Cherry, About.com Guide
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 13:22:59
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Howard...so are you projecting?
Can't afford a digital camera...PLEASE!
But you can afford to spend $129 a pop for the curaderm...whatever...
I know you've been through a lot as have I.
I have had great success with bloodroot and petty spurge and posted pictures over 10 years ago of my results.
As already stated I am trying to find a better easier way...I absolutely have a handle on AK's it's the nodular BCC's that I am working on...I've tried several protocols all with less than satisfactory results..and a lot of pain.. I'm not going to talk about what I am doing because of previous incidents here where somebody got prematurely excited..."Eggplant paste" Thread and we had 100's of people wasting there time on something that did nothing but make a mess...
I am going through this BS and trial and error not just for me ...I have a 30 year old daughter who just had her first BCC removed...
She thinks I'm koo koo for all the crazy ways I've tried to deal with these lesions including bloodroot and Curaderm
I pray I find that softer gentler way for her and all the rest of us that have this dreaded affliction ...Dr. Cham is happy with what he has developed...I am not..It's painful,slow and and doesn't always work..there are several other approaches one can do that get easily as good or better results, faster, less painful and less expensive...
If I was to try and convince my daughter of trying an alternative ( Sadly at this stage she still trust the doctors)...Curaderm would be WAY down on the list of things I would suggest. |
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howardz43
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 13:40:28
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Originally posted by anivoc
Howard...so are you projecting?
Can't afford a digital camera...PLEASE!
But you can afford to spend $129 a pop for the curaderm...whatever...
I know you've been through a lot as have I.
I have had great success with bloodroot and petty spurge and posted pictures over 10 years ago of my results.
As already stated I am trying to find a better easier way...I absolutely have a handle on AK's it's the nodular BCC's that I am working on...I've tried several protocols all with less than satisfactory results..and a lot of pain..
I am going through this BS and trial and error not just for me ...I have a 30 year old daughter who just had her first BCC removed...
She thinks I'm koo koo for all the crazy ways I've tried to deal with these lesions including bloodroot and Curaderm
I pray I find that softer gentler way for her and all the rest of us that have this dreaded affliction ...Dr. Cham is happy with what he has developed...I am not..It's painful,slow and and doesn't always work..there are several other approaches one can do that get easily as good or better results, faster, less painful and less expensive...
If I was to try and convince my daughter of trying an alternative ( Sadly at this stage she still trust the doctors)...Curaderm would be WAY down on the list of things I would suggest.
No anivoc you are projecting, and I am calling you out on it. I would rather spend my money on Curaderm toward geting rid of my skin cancer than on a digital camera, that I would rarely use otherwise, to prove to you what I have been able to do with Curaderm.
What you posted that I quoted does not indicate that you have had much success with anything that you have tried. Too bad. I feel sorry for you that you are in such a situation that your 30 year old daughter thinks you are "koo koo." If that is what she says, it tends to verify what I'm pointing out: Your ragging arbitrarily so much on Curaderm is BS and it simply makes you sound delusional to those reading all of it who can discern the holes in your logic, not only the lesion holes in your skin. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/12/2013 : 15:06:42
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Do you read what you write? You sure don't pay attention to what I write.
Prove to me?
How about to the world community that comes here to get informed and make prudent decisions?
You want us to just trust what you say here because you say it is so? Cause you're a straight up kinda guy who's been participating here for a whopping two months?
Yeah I went with this or that product cause some guy on the internet said it worked for him.... seriously?
POIDH Pictures or it didn't happen...
I clearly stated blood root paste worked for me and I posted pictures with the PROOF of it over 10 years ago showing my success..the links to the pictures are here in this forum.
It worked way better than Curaderm and was much less expensive..It's just painful and I believe there are better ways in our future to deal with these...I choose to experiment in hopes I can help find that better way. I would not recommend anyone trying to do what I am doing.....it is not for the faint of heart and I am taking some big risk. For those that choose to do so, may God help them in their quest.
Cuarderm is waaaaaay yesterdays news and not that great of news... Below is a picture of the last batch I paid for that after 3 months of wasting my time and money, I never used...Yeah see the date...That's November of 2006 ....$300 worth of the stuff I chose to walk away from because I knew I was getting nowhere fast...Still keep the package as EVIDENCE.
I'm not BS'ing I tried it for over 3 months it was painful and though it did eat at them..I'd of been easily another 6 months and a lot more pain and money out ..to get where I knew bloodroot paste would get me in 24 hours.
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mojave melody
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2013 : 00:29:53
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Hope Springs Eternal Howard.....some of us are not always as analytical as you. Fear is a very natural emotion for people with cancer. I take issue with your insuation that persons who have not had success with Curaderm are somehow mentally deficient or do not have common sense. Shame on you for being so arrogant. Do you not realize that by your critical diatribe that you are insulting, demeaning and creating stress for others who may already have too much? or don't you care?
This forum exists so that people can express and exchange information about their personal experiences. Why do you have a problem with that? And what makes you think that you can be both a policeman and a judge on this forum and insult those who do not agree with you? I don't think that you are a happy person. My suggestion is that you be happy with your great success with Curaderm and express those emotions and ignore the statements of those who do not agree with you. Step back and allow the readers on this forum to draw their own conclusions. Have some patience and compassion for those of us who you deem less intelligent than you and whose personal stories you really do not know.
Re the Micropore tape, I find that it is very flexible and I had no problem getting it to adhere in the right places . Perhaps you should try putting it over your keyboard or your mouth.
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2013 : 12:04:02
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Originally posted by anivoc
Do you read what you write? You sure don't pay attention to what I write.
Prove to me?
How about to the world community that comes here to get informed and make prudent decisions?
You want us to just trust what you say here because you say it is so? Cause you're a straight up kinda guy who's been participating here for a whopping two months?
I'm not BS'ing I tried it [Curaderm] for over 3 months it was painful and though it did eat at them..I'd of been easily another 6 months and a lot more pain and money out ..to get where I knew bloodroot paste would get me in 24 hours.
I pay attention to what you write.
I agree the world community should come here to get informed and make prudent decisions regarding this.
Sanguinaria, Toxicity of bloodroot paste to animal cells, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
"Sanguinarine kills animal cells by blocking the action of Na+/K+-ATPase transmembrane proteins. As a result, applying bloodroot to the skin may destroy tissue and lead to the formation of a large scab, called an eschar. Bloodroot and its extracts are thus considered escharotic.
"Applying escharotic agents, including bloodroot, to the skin is sometimes suggested as a home treatment for skin cancer, these attempts can be severely disfiguring.[6] Salves derived from bloodroot cannot be relied on to remove an entire malignant tumor. Microscopic tumor deposits may remain after visible tumor tissue is burned away, and case reports have shown that in such instances tumor has recurred and/or metastasized.[7]"
References:
6. Don't Use Corrosive Cancer Salves (Escharotics), Stephen Barrett, M.D.
7. McDaniel, S.; Goldman, GD (2002). "Consequences of Using Escharotic Agents as Primary Treatment for Nonmelanoma Skin Cancer". Archives of Dermatology 138 (12): 1593–6. doi:10.1001/archderm.138.12.1593. PMID 12472348.
You say: "POIDH Pictures or it didn't happen..."
The world community should web search reference [6] and see the pictures posted there to get informed and make prudent decisions.
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/14/2013 : 15:40:06
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Howard you choose to be ignorant and arrogant rather than educate yourself and make informed statements... you never clicked on the hyperlink that I provided for you so you could educate yourself on Bloodroot and the ignorance of people and the medical community about it.
No you have it all figured out already ..Curaderm is the be all end all and no one better say differently...
Remember when I told you..The truth will set you free? Well ignorance is bliss and you appear very blissful.
Since you couldn't take the time to click on the link I provided you and just want to continue to expound upon your ignorance about bloodroot paste here are some excerpts for you to read.. Surely you have heard of Mohs surgery...yes the gold standard of the medical community for the removal of Skin Cancers. News flash ...He started his whole career with guess what? hold onto your hat...I can't believe it! Bloodroot paste!..Oh the horror...he must of been a madman...a fool for sure! He must not have read all the BS on the internet back in 1933 when he started experimenting with it.
This is an excerpt from the published article found on the Skin Cancer Foundation's website skincancer.org "just a little legit"
"The Evolution of Mohs Micrographic Surgery
The Single Most Effective Skin Cacncer Treatment" by Dr.Perry Robins,with Tobechi L. Ebede, MD, and Elizabeth K. Hale, MD
In 1933, 23-year-old Frederic Edward Mohs was a research assistant assigned to inject different chemicals
into cancerous rat tissues to produce specific reactions. He discovered that one of these chemicals, a zinc
chloride solution, could “fix” skin tissue for microscopic study — preserve it without changing the
architectural structure of the cells.
He combined zinc chloride solution with stibnite and Sanguinaria
Canadensis (Bloodroot) to develop a cohesive paste. When he applied the paste, Mohs found that he could excise the tissue without causing bleeding. He could then prepare frozen sections of the
excised tissue, and placed them on slides to be viewed under the microscope. Thus began his groundwork for the technique that today bears his name.
In 1936, after training as a surgeon, Dr. Mohs began performing the procedure, initially dubbed “chemosurgery” (“chemo” referring to the zinc chloride paste), on human skin cancer patients. It was a
scrupulous process that could take days. Once clinical examination revealed a potential cancer, he would first apply dichloracetic acid to the area believed to be involved; this would allow him to scrape away the protein keratin from the epidermal layer of the skin, so that the zinc chloride paste could penetrate the area. The paste would then be applied, fixing the tissue. A protective dressing would be placed over the treated site to enhance penetration and absorption of the paste. When adequate fixation was achieved many hours later or by the next day,Mohs would remove the dressing and, using a scalpel, would surgically excise a saucer-shaped layer of the fixed tissue. He cut the specimen into sections about 1 cm square in area and 2 mm thick, and sketched a corresponding map of the sections, keeping each section separate and numbered to indicate its location on the map.
He also painted the adjoining edges of the sections with different dyes to differentiate the superior edges from the inferior. Reference marks were also made on the original surgical site to show exactly where each color coded section had originated. Thus, any further surgery that might be required would occur only in the part of the surgical site where a cancerous section had been found. Frozen sections were prepared of the undersides of each excised section, and they were mounted on slides and examined under the microscope. Each slide was labeled to indicate the particular section’s position on the map. If sections showed no evidence of cancer, no further surgery would be required.
However, if a section revealed cancer cells, surgery would continue only in its corresponding portion of the surgical site. The zinc chloride paste would be reapplied to that area, and the entire procedure repeated, until no more cancer cells remained in any specimens. Five to seven days later, an “eschar” (a scab on the fixed tissue site) would separate, leaving healthy, healing tissue behind. Surgical repair of the wound could then be performed.
The technique had many advantages over standard excisional surgery, where the physician simply removes the tumor and a wide extra swath of presumably normal skin around it as a safety margin.
First and foremost, chemosurgery allowed 100 percent of the cancer to be removed while sparing the most possible tissue. By avoiding overly aggressive surgery and the removal of too much healthy tissue, it produced a much better cosmetic result.
When Dr. Mohs first spoke of chemosurgery at a conference of plastic surgeons, he was greeted with nearly universal dismay and skepticism. When I began to practice the technique in 1965, only one out of everyfive dermatologists and possibly one of out every 20 physicians were aware that this technique for treatingskin cancers even existed.
In the fall of 1965, I visited Dr. Mohs in Madison,WI, where he was using chemosurgery daily. After five weeks of training, I purchased a “how-to” kit, a jar of zinc chloride paste and Dr. Mohs’ textbook, which I took back to New York. I began to put what he had taught me into practice, but I was initially met with the same kind of resistance he faced. Many of my colleagues considered chemotherapy “black magic,” and pointed out how uncomfortable the zinc chloride was to patients. They believed that dermatologists should not also be surgeons. Some attempts were even made to have me removed from the NYU faculty and expelled from the American Academy of Dermatology (AAD).
Nonetheless, the potential value of the technique was all too clear to me, and I was convinced that with some additional training, dermatologists could become experts in excising skin cancers with the procedure. After all, we were the physicians best trained to recognize skin cancers, so we should also be the best at removing them. And chemosurgery seemed to guarantee the most success.
Fortunately, a few other physicians agreed with me. At an international meeting, five other Mohs surgeons and I had a founders meeting at a dinner hosted by Dr. Mohs in Munich, Germany. We agreed to form a chemosurgery society and to hold our first meeting at the next annual meeting of the American Academy of Dermatology (AAD), in Chicago. In December of 1965,we indeed held our first meeting in the Palmer House’s “number 10 Wabash Room,” where we continued to meet for years. Only 20 of us attended that first meeting — we were essentially the only physicians practicing the technique in the country.
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/14/2013 : 16:12:55
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Now if you really want to understand the mechansim and just HOW EFFECTIVE Bloodroot paste aka Zinc Chloride paste is or better yet..If you want the actual Mohs recipe...it's all HERE ( BTW the blue letters mean it's hyperlink, you click on it and it takes you the references website)
That link is to a patent filed in the the U.S. patent office back in 2000 ..Though it is for a Zinc Chloride paste application method...the detail and information it provides into Zinch Chloride paste / Bloodroot paste is invaluable...
read it and weep... here's a little excerpt from it..
Zinc chloride was discovered by Sir Humphry Davy of Bristol, United Kingdom, in 1815. It was used for the treatment of cancer by Canquoin of Paris and by Bougard of Brussels in the early part of the nineteenth century. Zinc chloride is a very potent chemical which deeply penetrates and kills tissue.
While a research assistant in the department of zoology at the University of Wisconsin, Dr. Frederic E. Mohs, founder of the American College of Mohs Micrographic Surgery and Cutaneous Oncology, observed that the injection of zinc chloride into cancerous tissue not only caused tissue necrosis (cell death), but, additionally, the microscopic structure of the killed tissue was retained as if the tissue had been excised and immersed in a fixative, or histologically preserving solution. Dr. Mohs developed an anti-skin cancer paste containing zinc chloride and the escharotic bloodroot plant, Sanguinaria canadensis. The formula is as follows: Stibnite (alpha, beta-Diphenylethylene 80-mesh sieve), 40 g; Sanguinaria canadensis, 10 g; and zinc chloride, saturated solution, 34.5 mL (zinc chloride 45% by weight).
Since 1941, Dr. Mohs has published a textbook and numerous articles on the successful treatment of skin cancer and melanoma using this zinc chloride paste. Dr. Mohs referred to the paste as “zinc chloride fixative paste” and the surgery as “chemosurgery” or “fixed-tissue micrographic surgery”. For the treatment of melanoma, Mohs utilized a layer by layer excision technique in addition to in situ fixation of the tumorous tissue with zinc chloride fixative paste. In fixed-tissue surgery, a clinically apparent melanoma is first treated with zinc chloride fixative paste prior to any biopsy or debulking procedure. The next day, a layer of fixed tissue is excised and frozen histologic sections are made for microscopic examination to confirm the clinical diagnosis of melanoma. The melanoma is then excised layer-by-layer, with each successive layer first fixed in situ, then conservatively removed for microscopic scanning of the entire undersurface utilizing frozen histologic sections cut horizontally from the bottom of the excised specimens. The edges of the specimens are color coded by the application of dyes for precise orientation as the sections are scanned under the microscope. The zinc chloride paste is reapplied as necessary until a melanoma-free plane has been reached. An extra margin of surrounding tissue is then removed by zinc chloride fixed-tissue surgery to encompass satellite deposits that may be present in the surrounding skin lymphatics.
In 1977, Mohs published data on 103 consecutive patients with mainly advanced melanomas treated with zinc chloride fixative paste (64% Clark's level V lesions, 20% regional lymph node involvement). The 5-year cure rate was compared with a series of melanomas treated conventionally by surgical excision alone at the Massachusetts General Hospital, and stratified by Clark's level of invasion. In the Clark's melanoma classification system there are five levels. Clark's I being the most superficial and V being the deepest invasion of the skin and penetration into fatty tissue under the skin. Both studies were completed in 1968. In the conventional surgery series, all the melanomas were primary tumors without regional lymph node metastases, and the incidence of level V invasion was only one-sixth that of the zinc chloride fixative cases. Despite a 20% incidence of nodal metastases and a six times greater incidence of level V melanomas in the fixed tissue series, a significant (p=0.003) one and a half times improvement in five year survival was achieved using zinc chloride fixative paste. (Mohs, FE: Chemosurgery for melanoma. Arch Dermatol 133: 285-291,1977; Brooks, N A: Fixed-tissue micrographic surgery in the treatment of cutaneous melanoma, J. Dermatol Surg. Oncol. 1992; 18: 999-1000.) |
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anivoc
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SueZeQ
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2013 : 16:48:31
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Again... as someone who used MULTIPLE do it yourself methods to remove several skin cancers... here are my results...
Baking Soda Paste - actually worked!
Painful and messy and had to keep reapplying... but it "ate away" about half of the Squamous cell... but left it a bloody oozing mess. Felt like ice picks were stabbing me in the back too.
... not recommended. Messy.
Curaderm - worked a little bit.
Perhaps if I had been more patient, and willing to reapply over and over and over again, the Curaderm would have done the job... though I was halfway through a $100 tube when I got bored with the whole thing. Painful but not as bad as the baking soda.
... expensive, slow, not recommended.
Bloodroot Paste - specifically Amazon Topical Black Salve - THE WINNER!
Purchased for $26 from Equador and that INCLUDED the shipping. Applied it as directed... 24 hours. Washed off and reapplied and bandaged for a couple of weeks. Just left it alone. Hurt like the dickens the first couple of days so I was taking some massive pain killers. After the first 3 days though the pain was down to almost nothing. Best of all though... I didn't have to mess with it. No reapplying and with the whole thing covered, it was not a mess at all. After the alloted time, I removed the bandage and a big lump of flesh just fell out leaving a quarter sized crater in my skin with nice, healthy looking pink edges. It filled in within a few days... week tops. I had a slight scar... more a discoloration where the new tissue was smoother and finer than the old skin... though now it's been over 6 years later and you almost can't tell unless you are looking for it. Best of all... I used the SAME $26 jar of Black Salve on two more areas of skin cancer... worked just as well for them. One was on my forehead and you can't hardly tell it was there anymore.
... can personally recommend over the other two choices and, frankly, surgery. After all this cost $26... a pittance for a great outcome.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 16:55:40
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I close saying this...
This site is for educational purposes...you just posted what I see as biased, uniformed and ubsubstantiated negative info on bloodroot paste.
I have replied with factual hard evidence to the contrary..
Our own member Hoxsey had a horrible experience with the paste and lost a good portion of her nose...Why it went that way for her is left for she and all of us to decide. Was it bad paste? Did the skin cancer really go all that way? God only knows. She is one brave tough cookie for sharing her experience here on this forum.
Is it possible some people used a paste that was not made to Mohs standards...probably so.... there are a ton of people out there selling a huge variety of paste to choose from.
If someone chooses to go the bloodroot paste they definitely need to understand the possible consequences...and to be absolutely sure ifthey choose to "go for it" they are getting it from a reliable source...with users that they can speak to first hand before using it on themselves.
You mention pictures out on the net ..yes people should definitely search out and see what can happen...just be sure to not stop at only looking at the pictures on quackwatch. For every negative site out there on the topic there are plenty of people like myself who have had success, albeit painful and scaring with the paste.
You already know I am holding off on using bloodroot paste again and am experimenting with other things that I will not discuss on the forum at this point in time... I hold off only to avoid pointing people into a direction that may not work..
Somewhere around 12 years ago I hunted down several people on the net who had used bloodroot paste and posted comments about.. I either e-mailed them or called them and talked to the personally...There was one underlying theme ..they all had been through slice and dice derma hell and as the guy that pushed me over the top to go for it said..."I only wish I had started using bloodroot paste 10 years and 6 surgeries earlier...."
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ChrisS
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Posted - 10/21/2013 : 14:06:42
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Looks like the common denominator is that most are struggling to heal bcc's and scc's with curaderm past the 3month period.
I have successfully treated a bcc on my arm with curaderm which healed within 2 months.
However at the same time I also started to treat a bcc on my face with curaderm. I'm now past six months and still left with a big hole in my face. The bcc on my face is older than the one on my arm.
Have anyone had success once you go past 3months with curaderm?
What does the people from Curaderm say about treatments past 3months?
Chris
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2013 : 15:32:57
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Originally posted by ChrisS
Looks like the common denominator is that most are struggling to heal bcc's and scc's with curaderm past the 3month period.
I have successfully treated a bcc on my arm with curaderm which healed within 2 months.
However at the same time I also started to treat a bcc on my face with curaderm. I'm now past six months and still left with a big hole in my face. The bcc on my face is older than the one on my arm.
Have anyone had success once you go past 3months with curaderm?
What does the people from Curaderm say about treatments past 3months?
Chris
I have had many lesions go way past three months to get rid of. I have to use plenty of cream with each application (the tape will soak up some of the cream). I have to thoroughly clean the lesions prior to each re application to get rid of surrounding dead skin so that the lesions each heal from the bottom up and not get buried.
Assuming the lesions I've had are typical, usually as a deep lesion heals it will decrease in depth while getting wider in diameter on the surface, and then gradually disappear or 'melt' into the surrounding normal skin. They heal from the bottom up. Occasionally a very deep lesion may shrink from the sides while remaining deep in the center, then reduce in depth and spread outward on the surface, and then melt into the surrounding normal skin. That's all different from lesions getting covered over with dead skin due to they’re not being cleaned properly prior to reapplying the cream and tape, and thus leaving red spots which won't disappear or go away. Any remaining red spot or spots will also melt into the color of the surrounding skin if I start really working on them again and put on enough cream with each application to get the above final result. That's, a summary my experience so far.
The current Curaderm literature says the time necessary to heal a lesion can go longer than three months, but it doesn't go into detail about all the variables. There are, somewhat obviously, many variables such as how old, deep, dense, and/or extensive the cancer is, whether or not enough cream is being used with each application to aggressively attack the cancer, how well the lesion is getting cleaned, and the number of cream applications per day. I have found that twice per day is the most cost effective. The web site with the most current literature, relevant photos, and videos, that I know of is CuradermCream(dot)com
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evoc
USA
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Posted - 11/25/2013 : 17:08:11
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I have been using Curaderm as an experiment to see what it will do, if anything. I have AK on my face, and began using Curaderm on places that don't show. Yowza!
The product worked as described, and hurt like a mouth full of yellow jackets. However, after the close to two months, and the craters closing up, no more pus, no burning on application, there are still very red spots, not pink, bright red. I also am sensitive to the paper tape, it pulls off skin, and leaves irritation which may be the primary source of the redness.
In any case the whole areas itch. I bought some Tamanu Oil to assist that healing, and the oil turns the red even redder for a few days, then begins to fade gradually. Problem is it makes the itching more intense, and causes little red bumps to appear hear and there.
The largest lesion on my arm had been a barely noticeable red spot for years, and became a large crater. Just as it was nearly closed, and looking so much better, a new red bump appeared an inch from it. So I treated it with the same result of crater and so on.
But then each day or so a new red bump would appear moving up my arm. WHAT!?
I treated each one with same results, mostly. Some of the bumps seem to scab only, indicating to me that maybe I'm having an allergic reaction to the Tamanu oil on the healed areas with those spots.
My question, and no I am doing this at home with no physician assistance, because the doc froze the AK on my temple, but didn't do it long enough, no blister, no sore, no change. A month later I suggested to him wasn't he supposed to hold it on for 40 seconds. He replied he was concerned about damaging my skin. Sweet man. But left me with the same AK as before. When I heard of the Curaderm on the Dr Oz moment, I decided to try it.
Oh, so the question: Curaderm isn't supposed to cause more lesions to appear. Right?
So what the heck?
Maybe I had something that was more progressed than I realized. It seemed insignificant to me so the doc never saw it.
I plan to go in to see the doc now. as spots are appearing all over my body and face to some degree. Though it seems to do that while using the Tamanu oil.
Now I am thoroughly confused and have scared myself nearly witless.
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howardz43
USA
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 11:14:03
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Originally posted by evoc
In any case the whole areas itch. I bought some Tamanu Oil to assist that healing, and the oil turns the red even redder for a few days, then begins to fade gradually. Problem is it makes the itching more intense, and causes little red bumps to appear hear and there.
The largest lesion on my arm had been a barely noticeable red spot for years, and became a large crater. Just as it was nearly closed, and looking so much better, a new red bump appeared an inch from it. So I treated it with the same result of crater and so on.
But then each day or so a new red bump would appear moving up my arm. WHAT!?
I treated each one with same results, mostly. Some of the bumps seem to scab only, indicating to me that maybe I'm having an allergic reaction to the Tamanu oil on the healed areas with those spots.
Oh, so the question: Curaderm isn't supposed to cause more lesions to appear. Right?
So what the heck?
Maybe I had something that was more progressed than I realized. It seemed insignificant to me so the doc never saw it.
I plan to go in to see the doc now. as spots are appearing all over my body and face to some degree. Though it seems to do that while using the Tamanu oil.
Now I am thoroughly confused and have scared myself nearly witless.
Any similar experiences would be appreciated. Wisdom welcome.
Hi evoc,
My experience is that the Tanamu Oil has no effect of causing more lesions to appear. The Curaderm cream however will slowly begin affecting the cancers nearby to the one(s) that you are treating and begin creating other lesions as it affects the nearby cancer areas where you didn't yet know that you had any cancer because it had not yet surfaced so that you could see any signs of it. I have never seen the cream create a lesion or lesions where there is no underlying cancer. If it did that, one lesion would go on expanding and not stop. The lesions I usually get from using the cream are definite holes, craters, or oval shapes, all of which can be surprisingly deep. 1/8" deep is not unusual. Sometimes there will be several holes in a straight or curved line. As a deep hole heals and gets shallow, it will increase in diameter. That allows more cream to get into the cancer cells. AKs are very shallow to begin with and they are easy to quickly get rid of using Curaderm.
My guess is that by the time you are using the Oil to finish up the healing, the cream is biochemically getting transferred to the nearby AKs or cancers that you didn't know you have because they are or were not yet visible in any recognizable way on the skin surface. In other words, there is a time lag for the cream to begin affecting nearby cancers. Also I have found that just because a lesion may close up but leave a dark red area where it was, the treatment with the cream should NOT stop. If you don’t get the red spot or area to ‘melt’ into the color of the surrounding normal skin, treatment with the cream is not 100 percent complete and the lesion will probably return a few months later even if you use the oil. Especially so if you still get even a slight stinging sensation from applying the cream. The Oil helps to heal the very light redness afterward, especially not deep dark red spots that were previously open raw meat lesions produced by the cream.
My opinion is that if the spots are bright or dark red, you still need to clean them throughly with Hibiclens to remove the dead skin covering, and apply the cream. Hibiclens removes dead skin relatively easily that doesn't come off by picking at them with a finger nail, or only using a wash cloth. If you don’t kill all the cancer with the cream it will still be there, although beaten down by what you did by using the cream previously. Then, when the cancer resurfaces, it will be smaller and less deep, and you will have less to deal with because your use of the cream previously. That’s how I’m now interpreting my experience, and the product instructions.
My advice to everyone using Curaderm is to thoroughly finish what you are working on before you begin applying the cream to any nearby areas that are beginning to show up. Ignore them for the time being. My error was that I didn’t do that. It's difficult to estimate how big and deep the lesions will be if you apply the cream. Don't try to treat more than two square inches of AK or other lesion area at one time. If in the sun a lot over the course of your life like I was, and you are covered with lots of still invisible skin cancers, you can easily end up with more open lesion area at various stages of treatment completion than you have time in every day to cope with. |
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lllinda
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 14:58:23
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I have been using Curaderm on a lesion on the back of my thigh for 135 painful days now. It had been a small wart (the size of a pencil eraser) on which I had tried many remedies for a couple of years. It had been frozen by the doctor numerous times, I used over the counter wart remover, apple cider vinegar, bentonite clay, thuja, and other things. Nothing worked and eventually it changed and started bleeding. At that point it was determined to be a BCC. That is when I started researching alternatives to surgery. At that point, the lesion was as big as a quarter and ulcerated in the middle with raised edges.
I started Curaderm in September 2013 and the lesion is now the size of a half dollar and very painful. I have had the typical reaction of the yellow substance which seeps quite a lot. Since it's on the back of my thigh, I need to cover the lesion with the paper tape and a large gauze bandage over it all so that it doesn't seep onto my clothes. I need to change the dressing every three or four hours to keep up with the seepage. The Curaderm has "eaten" away all the way down to what I am is assuming is the dermis. Very painful! I had to take a week off work because the pain was so bad and I could barely walk because of it.
I am anticipating being in this much pain for quite a few months ahead while it continues to go through the process of killing the cancer cells and eventually healing. Is there anything anyone can suggest for the pain other than over the counter pain medication? I am looking for alternatives.
I am no longer under the care of a doctor because I have no health insurance and limited finances. Just buying the Curaderm is really stretching my budget.
Thanks for letting me vent a bit and any input would be welcome. Skin Cancer is horrible, painful and life altering. I hate it! The pain of this lesion never goes away and I will be glad when it is gone!!
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evoc
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2014 : 16:04:51
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Originally posted by llinda:
I have been using Curaderm on a lesion on the back of my thigh for 135 painful days now. It had been a small wart (the size of a pencil eraser) on which I had tried many remedies for a couple of years. It had been frozen by the doctor numerous times, I used over the counter wart remover, apple cider vinegar, bentonite clay, thuja, and other things. Nothing worked and eventually it changed and started bleeding. At that point it was determined to be a BCC. That is when I started researching alternatives to surgery. At that point, the lesion was as big as a quarter and ulcerated in the middle with raised edges.
I started Curaderm in September 2013 and the lesion is now the size of a half dollar and very painful. I have had the typical reaction of the yellow substance which seeps quite a lot. Since it's on the back of my thigh, I need to cover the lesion with the paper tape and a large gauze bandage over it all so that it doesn't seep onto my clothes. I need to change the dressing every three or four hours to keep up with the seepage. The Curaderm has "eaten" away all the way down to what I am is assuming is the dermis. Very painful! I had to take a week off work because the pain was so bad and I could barely walk because of it.
I am anticipating being in this much pain for quite a few months ahead while it continues to go through the process of killing the cancer cells and eventually healing. Is there anything anyone can suggest for the pain other than over the counter pain medication? I am looking for alternatives.
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Hello llinda,
The largest lesion I had on my back became the size of a half dollar. It sounds like you may be at that painful point. Mine then halted and did not grow larger. It began to shrink slowly. As it shrinks more and more, the pain of application of Curaderm decreases, as does the discomfort from the lesion itself. Hang in there, sounds like you are doing everything right.
To Howardz43,
Thank you for your input.
I did use the Curaderm until there was no more stinging/burning at all. The redness did appear as new skin.
My skin is pale, been out of the sun for some years now, and so the red did remain.
In fact, I find I react to the adhesive on the micropore tape. That has left a larger redder spot than the lesion itself as it tore off new skin left around the healing lesion.
Now after two months, the red from the tape has begun to fade in some of the areas, leaving a small fading red and shiny spot where the lesion healed. That is also slowly fading.
I used the Curaderm a couple of weeks longer than I should have on my back, leaving wounds from the tape which was very painful to remove, causing the Curaderm to burn that area. Eventually I realized the lesion had healed and the tape was the problem.
I now have redness that will likely remain, as it has not faded significantly. Oh well.
Perhaps if I had started off with tanner skin, the redness would be less noticeable.
I was careful not to stop while the cream still burned the lesion. The largest lesion on my arm is still red where the crater left a scar, long and narrow, yet is very slowly fading. The craters seem to widen a bit after healing then shrink and slowly fade.
Perhaps everyone's skin is a bit different. |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2014 : 19:47:16
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Hi, evoc ~
Thank you for your encouragement! I was wondering how you dealt with the lesion being on your back. Was it difficult to treat? I can't imagine putting on the cream and the paper tape! We're you able to go about your daily activities such as a job or even wearing a shirt comfortably. I don't know if there is anything comfortable about treating a lesion with Curaderm! Did you deal with seepage getting on your clothing?
Sorry for all of the questions, but I don't know anyone personally who has dealt with skin cancer in this way.
Linda |
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Kayone
Hong Kong
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 23:00:13
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| I have a diagnosed nodular BCC on my nose. It is on the bridge of the nose and not the side. Has anyone used curaderm for here? I am concerned as skin is thin. My dermatologist would prescribe Aldara but not discuss curaderm. Also should I use the curasol sunscreen on surrounding face when treating with curaderm? Thank you in advance for any help. |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2014 : 19:49:28
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Kayone, I don't have any experience using Curaderm on my face, but hopefully someone will be able to answer your question here and I wish you well!
I do have a question for anyone who has any experience with using Curaderm and the yellow spongy substance that forms in the deep lesion. My lesion in on the back of my thigh, is about the size of a half dollar and has quite a bit of the yellow spongy substance throughout it. The Curaderm seems to liquefy it and it seeps off. Sometimes small bits of it comes off when I'm cleaning it. I am always careful to clean it gently because it is so painful and I don't want to cause a problem by being too aggressive. So, would it by alright to be more aggressive in rubbing off some of the spongy yellow substance to get this process to move a little faster. I'm on my 150th day of treatment and I don't see any end in sight. The lesion is still producing quite a bit of this yellow stuff and seems to be growing in width, but shrinking in height. Strange!
I am now taking Tramadol to help with the pain. It is taking the edge off, but I still have so much trouble walking.
Thanks for any input!
Linda |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2014 : 16:02:58
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I don't think that Curaderm is working for me. The lesion on the back of my leg is a mess. It's a bit larger than a half dollar and appears to be getting larger. Curaderm ate down to what I think is the dermis. There is a spongy yellow substance inside of the outer edge. There is one section that has a brown spongy substance, which concerns me. As always, it is very painful to treat, which I am doing 3 times per day. I change it 3 times because it seeps a lot. I have been using Curaderm for 6 months now. Sometimes it bleeds. The skin is swollen directly below the lesion. I can hardly walk because of the pain. I am a piano teacher at a music school and I have asked to take an indefinite time off with a substitute taking my students. No work, no income. Basically, I am home bound now. My husband is great and does all of the household chores, as well as work. I confess that I have been self treating. We don't have health insurance or enough money to go to a doctor. I know that wasn't smart, but had no choice. We will be looking on the "Obama Care" site to see about health insurance. I am really worried that I have made my situation worse. I am thinking the worse is ahead, such as surgery and skin grafting and hopefully, what I have isn't life threatening. It started out as a wart on the back of my thigh. After treating it with over the counter remedies and natural remedies, it turned into an ulcerated lesion. After reading about Curaderm, I thought it would be the answer. Maybe not. Sorry, but I'm just venting. And scared. I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread, but if you have any advice, I'm listening.
Thanks,
Linda |
Edited by - lllinda on 03/02/2014 16:03:36 |
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JLO
Canada
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2014 : 16:26:17
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| Mine finally disappeared after using 1000 mg garlic oil (use nothing less) watch this you tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1prMLheu0s Good Luck to you...I know how scarey it can be. All the best... |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2014 : 21:40:30
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JLO, thank you so much for your reply! I watched the YouTube video and it was amazing to see the results from garlic oil. I'm glad you had such good results, also. You said to use 1,000 mg of garlic oil. Could you describe to me how you used it? Did you clean your lesion with anything before applying the garlic oil? How many times a day did you apply it? Did you eat garlic cloves as well? How long before you started seeing results? What other kinds of treatments did you try before using garlic oil? What did your lesion look like before you began treating it with garlic oil? Please forgive all of these many questions!! I am really considering giving garlic oil a try as I am really trying to avoid surgery, etc.
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2014 : 17:44:31
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I am really suffering through this treatment. I did call a dermatologist to make an appointment today and the earliest they can see me is April 28. Having no insurance and not much money, I have been self diagnosing and self treating with Curaderm all along. (except for using apple cider vinegar at the very beginning because it looked like a wart) I found that through the health care system the dermatologist is part of, they have a reduced fee program. I am in the process of applying. I described to her what my lesion looks like and told her of my self diagnosis and treatment. She didn't seem too alarmed and said the best she could do was April 28.
I am going to attach three pictures to this post. I apologize if they are difficult to look at. They are gross! But, I'd like to know if anyone else has had their lesions look this terrible.
I am having trouble uploading my pictures. I'm getting an internal server error. I'm posting this now and hope to upload the pictures in my next post.
Linda
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2014 : 14:16:32
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| I'm still unable to post any pictures, but my husband took a picture of the lesion to the dermatologist to see if I could get in any sooner. Well, now I have an appointment tomorrow at 3:30. I guess it's pretty bad looking! |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2014 : 17:19:13
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| Well, I had my appointment with the dermatologist today. After examining my lesion, he said that he didn't need to do a biopsy. He knew it was a basal cell carcinoma. The greater concern is that the Curaderm has eaten down to the muscle! He had heard of curaderm and does not recommend it at all! He said that I was a "real tough chick" to be able to handle this kind of pain for months. I now have a consultation appointment with a surgeon on Monday morning and will be having surgery next week as soon as possible. He is certain that I will need a skin graft. So, needless to say, Curaderm did not work for me! |
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dan
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Posted - 03/06/2014 : 22:34:13
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Hi llinda, it is good that you got in to see the dermatologist. There have been mixed results on this forum with Curaderm, certainly not the 100% cure rate that has been claimed by the makers in the past. Thanks for your posts, it helps other people to see what you went through and decide on potential treatments. Keep us updated if you can.
I wonder if one of the lessons to be learned is to set a trial limit for any topical skin cancer treatment before seeing conclusive results. I don't really know what a good trial length should be but 60 days or so seems reasonable to me before trying something else. I doesn't help that the Curaderm people insist that all anyone needs is patience and more Curaderm.
I just tried to post a small picture and it worked for me. Probably your picture file size is way too big for the forum software. Typical digital pictures are 500KB to 8000KB nowadays. The forum software limits the picture file size to around 80KB so the picture may need to be re-saved with much less resolution using a photo editor before uploading. |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2014 : 20:18:43
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Thanks, Dan for your reply!
I had my appointment with the surgeon yesterday. When he saw my lesion, his eyes got big and said he had never seen anything quite like it. It reminded him of a bed sore. I told him about Curaderm and he thought that it was a terrible product. He wasn't sure if it was skin cancer or if it was a severe burn from using Curaderm. So, he did three punch biopsies. So painful with how raw my skin was there! I have an appointment on Thursday to go over the pathology report and see where we go from here.
Right now, he has my husband changing the dressing in the back of my leg with a wet/dry dressing. It is taking square of gauze, folding it, making it wet with sterile saline solution and putting it on the open wound and layering it with two more squares of gauze and paper taping it all in place. This is to be done twice a day.
If it is not skin cancer, then it will be treated as a burn wound at the wound clinic, probably using a wound VAC for about a month. If that doesn't work, a skin graft might still be needed.
If it is a basal cell carcinoma, then I will go through surgery to remove it. He said that the wound after surgery might be too big for a skin graft right away and that I would need to have the wound VAC in place while enough of the skin regenerated to make a skin graft possible.
What a terrible ordeal this has been. All because of no insurance and thinking that Curaderm would be the answer. I never had a biopsy to determine what it was before using curaderm. Big mistake! Maybe Curaderm works for certain BCCs or SCCs, but not all (even if that's what I have). Curaderm makes it seem so easy! |
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Lynn8384
USA
59 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2014 : 16:33:51
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| Wow - doesn't sound like a good endorsement for curaderm!! Hope that everything heals ok for you…please let us all know what the biopsy shows - I have confirmed BCC on my nose and have curaderm ready to use - but I am holding offf….more than a little nervous to start ….thank you for taking the time to post on here after you are going another way…it really helps everyone. |
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2014 : 17:46:40
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Well, I don't know quite where to start. I guess I'm feeling quite overwhelmed and in shock. I saw the surgeon today and the preliminary diagnosis from the pathology report is: Left posterior thigh wound, punch biopsy
*poorly differentiated malignancy
*differential includes malignant melanoma
and poorly differentiated squamous cell carcinoma
*special stains are pending, results will be reported in an addendum.
He said that he was surprised at the results because he didn't think it looked like skin cancer, but he thought that Curaderm had burnt the lesion down to the muscle. He said that he wouldn't be doing the surgery after all because it would be too deep. He's referring me to a plastic surgeon, who will do the surgery and a skin flap. He actually blames Curaderm for my situation. He said that he didn't think I had cancer to begin with, but that Curaderm actually caused the cancer by doing so much damage to the skin.
Is it possible for the Curaderm to have caused a false/positive result?!?
I am so afraid at seeing the word melanoma and even squamous cell carcinoma. I didn't know what the other terms meant ( and the surgeon didn't seem sure, either), so I googled them. After reading them and knowing that my lesion goes down to the dermis, I am so frightened! My doctor said that the cancer is not in the middle of the lesion, where the muscle is exposed, but around the ridge where he did the biopsy.
From what I read, a poorly differentiated malignancy is a very bad sign! :-(
Again, does anyone know if it's possible for Curaderm to cause a false / positive report?
Linda |
Edited by - lllinda on 03/13/2014 17:51:42 |
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SueZeQ
USA
13 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2014 : 18:15:34
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So sorry for your results with Curaderm. As I mentioned in my previous post... I tried Curaderm and had slow, slow results and gave up.
I then used the Amazon Topical Black Salve which worked AS DESCRIBED... bad pain for no more than 3 days... complete removal of the cancerous area (Squamous) after two weeks.
It's also cheaper... $26 included shipping from Ecuador versus $100 for one tube of Curaderm. I got three treatments from the Amazon and had enough left that I gave to someone else.
I'm not surprised at the "burning" from the Curaderm really. I'm sure it didn't "cause" your cancer... just didn't work effectively to remove it.
I sure hope your ordeal ends well... :~( |
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gloe
127 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2014 : 03:51:32
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lllinda -- I'm not a doctor, so I am really just giving an educated guess here based on having been through being told I had kidney cancer when I did not, (finally getting the correct diagnosis by having my samples sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington DC); and many discussions with oncologists (brother-in-law, etc.): You can't GIVE yourself skin cancer by damaging your skin with curaderm or anything else. (Well, maybe there are chemicals which are of such a nature as to induce cancer, but I doubt curaderm is one of them.) You certainly can't give yourself melanoma, which is not really a SKIN cancer, it is a highly aggressive cancer that spreads very easily and is thought of as skin cancer because it pops out on the skin. (My father has metastatic melanoma.)
What I think is hapening is that the pathologist who looked at your samples is making a guess because he has never seen this before and is trying to fit what he is seeing into the catagories that he knows about. The report says "special stains are pending" so you need to wait for that before you can conclude anything. Even then, if anyone thinks you have melanoma or even a bad case of "poorly differentiated" SCC, they will advise you to get a PET scan to see if it has spread. A second opinion would be a good idea -- unfortunately, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has closed, and been replaced by the Joint Pathology Center which may not accept samples from private doctors. You could ask about that, or ask where does Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center send their samples when they don't know what they are looking at . . . but I would not accept a horrible diagnosis and certainly not do any treatment (other than wound care, which you certainly need), without a second opinion from a world-class expert.
Remember, most doctors are completely unwilling to admit (even to themselves) that they don't know something; and medicine is not a science, it is an ART. That's why they call it "practicing medicine."
I really wish you the best.
gloe
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Originally posted by lllinda
Well, I don't know quite where to start. I guess I'm feeling quite overwhelmed and in shock. I saw the surgeon today and the preliminary diagnosis from the pathology report is: Left posterior thigh wound, punch biopsy
*poorly differentiated malignancy
*differential includes malignant melanoma
and poorly differentiated squamous cell carcinoma
*special stains are pending, results will be reported in an addendum.
He said that he was surprised at the results because he didn't think it looked like skin cancer, but he thought that Curaderm had burnt the lesion down to the muscle. He said that he wouldn't be doing the surgery after all because it would be too deep. He's referring me to a plastic surgeon, who will do the surgery and a skin flap. He actually blames Curaderm for my situation. He said that he didn't think I had cancer to begin with, but that Curaderm actually caused the cancer by doing so much damage to the skin.
Is it possible for the Curaderm to have caused a false/positive result?!?
I am so afraid at seeing the word melanoma and even squamous cell carcinoma. I didn't know what the other terms meant ( and the surgeon didn't seem sure, either), so I googled them. After reading them and knowing that my lesion goes down to the dermis, I am so frightened! My doctor said that the cancer is not in the middle of the lesion, where the muscle is exposed, but around the ridge where he did the biopsy.
From what I read, a poorly differentiated malignancy is a very bad sign! :-(
Again, does anyone know if it's possible for Curaderm to cause a false / positive report?
Linda
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Edited by - gloe on 03/14/2014 03:59:54 |
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dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2014 : 07:27:59
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Hi llinda, that is a troubling diagnosis and I hope and pray that you will get through this. Like gloe says, maybe your situation is unique because of the long term use of Curaderm and the cell types found don't really fit the expected categories.
My understanding of cancer is that it needs three things to progress: cell damage, a compromised immune system (specifically a lack of pancreatic enzymes and viable natural killer cells), and certain (female) stimulating hormones. It is possible that Curaderm could have contributed if it caused cell damage via chronic inflammation.
Your doctors will likely do a good job repairing your leg. Metastasis is the big worry especially with melanoma, and these articles may interest you. If it were me, I would probably start taking cimetidine and modified citris pectin prior to surgery. https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/dec2009_Preventing-Surgery-Induced-Cancer-Metastasis_01.htm
https://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Cancer-Surgery-Special-Report.htm
I hope you were able to get health insurance. With much bad press on the so called Affordable Care Act, it would be nice to hear that it worked for someone.
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lllinda
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2014 : 21:45:55
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Thank you, everyone for your helpful advice and encouragement. My doctor called today and spoke to my husband because I wasn't available at the time he called. The pathology results are in and it''s not melanoma, which I was very relieved to hear! It is a squamous cell carcinoma. My husband will be picking up the pathology report tomorrow, so I will see the details. I have an appointment at Penn State Hershey Medical with the plastic surgeon a week from today. I was concerned about waiting so long, seeing that it is an open wound and just wanting this off of my body. The nurse from Hershey said that if it was serious or life threatening, they would have me in immediately. I am continuing to dress it with a wet to dry sterile saline gauze dressing. We have sent pictures to the surgeon who did the biopsies and the surgeon at Hershey. They say that it looks good, with no infection. I think it actually looks healthier than when I was using Curaderm. I thought that Curaderm was supposed to cure squamous cell carcinomas. It didn't work in my case and obviously caused a lot of damage.
By the way, the finances have worked out. We are applying this week for Obamacare. But, in the meantime, both our local hospital, doctor and Hershey medical have programs that help people without insurance who have financial needs. I had to take a leave of absence from my job three weeks ago because I can hardly walk because of the Curaderm burning down to my muscle with a wound about the size if the palm of my hand. So, our finances have taken a beating. Hershey Medical said that they would pay for our Obamacare insurance while I am undergoing care there. Where I work has given us grocery store gift cards and there is a church who wants to give us gas gift cards to help with the 1 1/2 hour drive. So, overall things are working out.
The doctor who did the biopsies said that we should sue Curaderm. He is very upset with their marketing and how they instruct us to keep using it until new skin appears. I don't think we can sue them because I didn't use it under a doctor's care.
Again, I appreciate all of the suggestions that were given. They were all good suggestions and I appreciate the time and care that you took to share them with me.
If it's ok with all of you, I will fill you in on the details of the report and how things turn out. It helps to "talk" to all of you because I know that you understand.
Linda
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Nanoagain
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 05:21:55
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| Linda, so glad that it was not melanoma and that you are getting help with your wound. I hope that all goes smoothly |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2014 : 07:08:19
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Linda,
Good to hear it was not melanoma..
You probably already know I am not a Curaderm fan. There have been some very emphatic people on this forum that swear by it.
I think you would be hard pressed to sue them as they are based outside of the United States...go figure.
The truth of the matter is you tried and it didn't work..now you must go the traditional way which is far from perfect in of itself.
Like with Hoxey and her Bloodroot paste nightmare there is no telling how deep and far your skin cancer was when you started the treatment with Curaderm..All we do know is it didn't work.. I had a few big BCC's that I could never get to go away with Curaderm and I, like you, went through a LOT of senseless pain trying to use the Curaderm as per their "Keep applying, keep buying" mantra.
Prayers going out to you and your family as you trudge through this ..Hoping for a fast and successful outcome and recovery.
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evoc
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2014 : 08:17:41
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Lynn, if I were you, I would not use the Curaderm on the face, unless you are doing so with a dermatologist's guidance. In fact, I would let the dermatologist remove it. It would be faster and leave little to no scarring.
The Curaderm will go on for maybe 2-3 months of deep pain and leave redness that may not go away, and scarring. Of the eight spots I used it on, none is normal skin, and I did use it until 'normal skin' appeared (normal skin was still red) and there was no burning.
I've changed my mind on Curaderm and no longer support it. Some people have a good result, some people have lasting scarring.
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Originally posted by Lynn8384
Wow - doesn't sound like a good endorsement for curaderm!! Hope that everything heals ok for you…please let us all know what the biopsy shows - I have confirmed BCC on my nose and have curaderm ready to use - but I am holding offf….more than a little nervous to start ….thank you for taking the time to post on here after you are going another way…it really helps everyone.
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gloe
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Posted - 03/21/2014 : 13:01:23
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Linda, I am so glad it wasn't melanoma, and I'm glad you are getting help.
I wish you all the best. It sounds like you have alot of support in your life. That is a blessing.
Be well.
gloe |
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