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Originally posted by lllinda

I had a CAT scan and met with me surgeon this past Thursday. The CAT scan showed that the lesion is not down to the muscle like my previous doctor speculated, but it has just gone down a bit into the fat layer. This is good news! Also, she felt that my squamous cell lesion was a low risk for metastasis. Also good news! After the wide excision surgery that I will have on Wednesday, she will send it to pathology. This will be same day surgery! Pathology will test to see if the margins are clear of cancer cells. If not, I will come back for more surgery. She recommends letting the body heal itself because I am a *young* 55 year old with no other health problems. No stitches, skin flap or skin graft! A skin graft is an option for quicker healing, but I'm going to see how my body does in healing. She said that I can keep doing a wet to dry dressing twice a day with sterile saline. I will need frequent check ups in the coming months and years because these types of cancers sometimes return.
I am happy with the prognosis and ready to put this Curaderm nightmare behind me!!

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Originally posted by lllinda


Good news! I had surgery last Wednesday. The whole experience at Hershey was very good! The doctor had more to remove than she originally planned and I was left with an open wound 4x3 and 1/2 deep. I had a follow up appointment yesterday. The pathology report came back negative. The doctor got all the cancer! Yay and thank you, God! I will still have some tests in the future just to be sure. At today's appointment, I was given a different, less painful way to dress the large surgical wound because I am healing so well! I am using Xeroform, a petroleum infused medicated gauze instead of the very painful wet to dry gauze dressings. I still have about two months of healing before I will be back to normal, but I am thankful!
Linda

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Originally posted by evoc

mandyyy, I would listen to anivoc and take it to heart.
Yes, Curaderm does cause other spots to appear. If you treat them as they appear, new spots will appear from those. On and on it goes, until your immune system wears down and the newer ones no longer heal.
Lesions will appear to close much more slowly and finally seem to be closing, but then stop and remain at a certain point for four months.

The first time I used Curaderm the lesions closed in a month, some in a month and a half, with some closing in two months, and a slower one in two and a half months. Scarring was left, and the red never did go away.

Now at a second round, they are not beginning to close until four months later, and that is still not closing, but shrinking with a crater still open, scabbed and not smooth like the first time.

I recommend going to a dermatologist. Curaderm is vastly overpriced, and is far from an 'elegant' treatment. A picture of a woman with a sizable lesion on her face showed three red bumps appearing in an arc over the large lesion. I can only wonder what she did to treat those. I also wonder about the scar she must have had but did not show in the picture. A lesion on my arm, smaller than the one on her face left a long thing scar that looked like surgery, The other spots left red spots that are still there. Worst of all is the many new spots that appeared near and far from the healed spot.

The second time I used Curaderm, three months later, I used it on one spot, and five spots appeared a good distance from the original one. Then dozens of bumps appeared, which I did not put Curaderm on. I used unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar. Not much of a cure, but did seem to hold them at bay, and no crater, no scarring, Some of them did seem to go away.

I now need to see a dermatologist.
Curaderm may heal a spot, but it will cause numerous others to appear, and so on and so one. I do not know how anyone who does not work for Curaderm has had success with Curaderm.

There must be some people with success using Curaderm or it wouldn't sell. I do not suggest risking your health by relying on Curaderm.

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Originally posted by robstan

Hi I have used curaderm or cansema black salve and yes it really works. But word of warning you should be very careful using it like any ointment. The first day I applied ointment (Sunday) you could tell it was something as the ointment started to bit at it straight away. I kept it covered for 7 days and then changed the dressing, just a clean dressing no ointment, my spot was on my left side of my face right at the bottom of my eyebrow. The whole area puffed up and was quite red and it even affected my eye lid. But you just put up with it. At the end of the second week the area around the spot had gone all white and *****, then when I was changing my dressing the top came off and then the next night the whole centre of the spot came out and left a big flesh red whole big enough to put my little finger in. I kept it covered for another week and a nice clean scab formed at the end of the 4th week I no longer need to keep it covered and I will have very little scaring. The spot itself was like a hard white tick looking thing with a root system underneath.
I am over the moon with the result would recommend this treatment.
Imagine if I had left it how much damage it would have caused on my face and it only took a month to come up I am a massage therapist and mother of three children. Robyn, Queensland, Australia, Gin Gin

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Originally posted by river

I have been using curaderm on a bcc on my right posteria shoulder for 20 months, its 70cm dia.Im not sure if it is healing, can you give me any info.?

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Originally posted by duskredactor

I started Curaderm on April 1, 2014. I had a lesion on my back that was 2.5CM by 2.5CM. The treatment from April to the middle of June was so painful that I literally had to go to only once a day for a few weeks.

Now, in that time, it looks like some skin has regrown, or maybe it's scar tissue. I don't know.

But, the "new skin" does not feel like skin. It has that rough, harder feeling.

So, here's my question: Anyone ever go through this? And, if so, did you get back to twice a day? At the moment, the original lesion is almost closed up, but I am not convinced I have anything more than hardened scar tissue or something.

I must admit that the pain was so intense that I HAD to slow down a bit, but I'm concerned that I will need to go through it all over again.

Any input is VERY MUCH appreciated.

THANKS!!!

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Originally posted by john691

Let me first thank you all for taking the time to share your story on this website. It has been informative, motivating, and encouraging. I have one burning question but let me give you the facts.

I am currently using Curaderm for a BCC solid tumor located right beside my nose. I am on day 15 and the only reaction has been the loss of a few layers of skin. My tumor is 2mm below the surface and extends another 3mm deep. It is 1.1 cm long. I apply Curaderm twice a day. I need better penetration. My plan is to increase the treatment to four times a day or more, if possible. Hopefully, this will get it to penetrate deeper. It appears that many people here have superficial BCC or at least BCC that is near the surface. Has anyone treated a solid BCC tumor below the surface? If so, how did you get Curaderm to penetrate deeper? Any experience combining Curaderm with DMSO (I bought 99.995 pharma grade DMSO but hesitate to use it)? Does increasing the number of daily applications help with penetration?

I have done a punch biopsy, Doppler ultrasound, MRI, and optical coherence tomography. The punch biopsy indicated that it was a deeper BCC. The Doppler ultrasound measured the blood flow in the tumor and determined that it did not penetrate the bone. The MRI measured the size of the tumor. The OCT determined that the skin was healthy down to 2 mm (it cannot “look” deeper). If Curaderm has a good reaction and appears to work, the Doppler ultrasound will be a good non-invasive way to measure progress.

I have had five MOHS surgeries on my nose. Surgery, radiation, and Erivedge are all pretty scary options.

I am thinking of taking a genetic test from Foundation One. They claim to be able to provide options best suited for one’s DNA. If you have done such a test and can recommend it, let me know.

My burning questions is: How can I get Curaderm to penetrate deeper?

Thanks in advance for your insights.

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi
so it should be told here that after using curaderm on my nose i thought my BCC was treated.
I have been back to my Dr to check it is completely gone as the skin has healed over the hole it left. It turns out not only has it caused other new spots to appear, but it has aggravated the original one which is now buried deep down with fresh skin healed over it after the curaderm ate away the area. My Dr said the BCC is not only NOT gone, it is now BIGGER.
I am booked for MOHS surgery in a few weeks. I am ready to get it our for real this time. I just wasn't ready for surgery before.
Do not use curaderm on BCCs :( I wanted to believe it too, but its bull****.

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sorry I don't agree with you at all. My cancer was not worse than i realised, and i suffered through the pain without stopping until a large hole was seared into my face and then new skin grew. It was biopsied and diagnosed, and then biopsied again, by Drs. I followed ALL the curaderm instructions, and i even thought i was cured if you go back and read my posts.
My post it to warn people about Curaderm not being successful as claimed. You are saying that your cancer came back after MOHS? Well that is terribly unlucky because it has a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN rate of cure at 97% here in Australia , so wow how unlucky were you?
What is the success rate of Curaderm for BCC apart from (unacceptable to the science community) published anecdotal evidence from a DR who fled the country, and a book he wrote about eggplants curing cancer? Zero, and a hell of a lot of unhappy (and sore!) people. I know curaderm does eat into the cancer, but that is exactly what Saliyclic Acid should do if you put it on your skin.
I totally get that other hack and hope surgeries are not highly successful, because you never know if you got it all out, but with MOHS they don't stop until they have have ZERO cancer cells showing up in the treated area under a microscope? Who can argue with that?
I have nothing to gain from being honest on this forum, and those supporting this non approved, kind of works cream, have a lot to gain.

howardz43 perhaps this cream can work on Keratosis and can regress cancer, but it is terribly wrong for the makers of this cream to espouse an 80 to 100% success rate on BCCs. It is called illegal advertising in my country and hence why Dr Cham does not reside here or sell it legally. It was taken off the PBS for a reason. A real loving humanitarian (as they make him out to be) would stop selling it until they got the formula right, and obtained the medical results required by law, to make it a real, safe and legal option in the use of BCC cancer cure.
Enough said on this now, i am moving on from this BCC chapter of my life. Best wishes to all who have skin cancer, may you find your treatment and l pray you all make decision based on truth and what is real. When you are sick you are very vulnerable to wanting to believe there is a magic cure.

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Originally posted by lllinda

I would like to mention that my experience with Curaderm and the squamous cell carcinoma ended in near disaster. If you want to read about my sad Curaderm story, just go a few pages back. I am still recovering from the serious surgery I had back in April and I am left with a disfiguring scar and lymphedema in my leg. All this to say that sometimes Curaderm works, sometimes it doesn't. I cntinued to use it long after I should have stopped. 6 months! We are told by the Curaderm company that it will hurt and that it will eat through the cancer and to kee persevering until new skin grows back. It's not worth the risk! My skin cancer could have cost me my life and I regret ever using Curaderm. The squamous cell carcinoma could have been easily removed in the dermatologists office before I used Curaderm. The surgical wound I was left with was 5 x 4 inches and down to the muscle and I have had to "learn" how to walk all over again. Be very careful when using Curaderm!

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Originally posted by SueZeQ

I'm not sure why anyone would use Curaderm instead of the Amazon Topical Black Salve. WHY? Because Curaderm is not as strong as Amazon, and it needs to be applied twice a day for an extended period of time. This leaves the door open for people to misuse it... using it for too long a period.

Amazon is only applied TWICE. That is it. You apply it once and leave on for 24 hours to see if the lesion is actually cancer. If it is, it should appear "white" in some areas, or around the edges. This is a sign that the Salve is starting to work. If there is no white, or change to the tissue, then it is not cancer.

So if it is white... you then wash off the remaining Salve and apply a second (generous) treatment. This you then bandage well and leave on for two weeks. You can change the bandage, but don't add more Salve, or remove the salve that is there. Because mine was in the middle of my back, I used cotton gauze bandaging, then put a water resistant bandage over that to protect when showering.

After two weeks you then remove the bandage and the salve, along with the cancerous tissue, will simply fall off, leaving a nice "wound" with clean pink edges. This will heal up nicely in a couple of days and after a year, you will have little to no scar (really though, who cares about a scar compared to cancer?).

You have to order the Amazon Topical Black Salve from Alpha Omega Labs in Equador, but one $26 jar (that includes shipping), is enough to treat 2-3 areas. Don't treat at same time though... too painful. And be sure to have painkillers cause it does hurt like the dickens for 2-3 days.

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Originally posted by lllinda

I would like to mention that my experience with Curaderm and the squamous cell carcinoma ended in near disaster. If you want to read about my sad Curaderm story, just go a few pages back. I am still recovering from the serious surgery I had back in April and I am left with a disfiguring scar and lymphedema in my leg. All this to say that sometimes Curaderm works, sometimes it doesn't. I cntinued to use it long after I should have stopped. 6 months! We are told by the Curaderm company that it will hurt and that it will eat through the cancer and to kee persevering until new skin grows back. It's not worth the risk! My skin cancer could have cost me my life and I regret ever using Curaderm. The squamous cell carcinoma could have been easily removed in the dermatologists office before I used Curaderm. The surgical wound I was left with was 5 x 4 inches and down to the muscle and I have had to "learn" how to walk all over again. Be very careful when using Curaderm!

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lllinda,
I have followed your experience along and am truly relieved you came through it as well as you did.
You have provided a marvelous public service to the world by posting your story as it happened.
How sad for all of us that we as thinking people learned of this product and believed in it's potential effectiveness enough to give it a try.
However once we begin using it we are already at the point of no return.
I used it a second time two months after the first use. The first time things did seem to heal per Curaderm's claims, but left scaring despite Curaderm's assurance that it will not scar and will not damage healthy skin. Hogwash.

I used Curaderm again a second time to see that none of the areas treated would heal after four months, and caused secondary small lumps and bumps across my body.
The first time I used it things healed within one month, and others a month and half, lastly one took two months. But the second time I wondered if the formulation had changed.

I think everyone should be careful with Curaderm and absolutely do not use it without a doctor's involvement, if one can find a physician who will agree to work with the product.
Play it safe and don't use it at all.

lllinda, your story is dramatic enough to be an eye opener for anyone.
My prayers are still with you, thank you for posting your events here for others to learn and make wise choices.

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Originally posted by SueZeQ

Gibsontown... Just to be clear... I am NOT any kind of marketer for black salve (as someone else alluded to)... and I did extensive research online before I tried it myself. Here is what I found...

"Amazon Topical Black salve," when used PROPERLY, does not seem to hurt healthy tissue at all. I found NO credible incidences, either in testimony or in news stories, where it did. You'll notice the link above to some idiot that ate a hole in his head because he used the treatment for SIX months on the same spot. SMH. Other stories of bad outcomes also included people that used more than one treatment at the same time, that were advised to stop but didn't, etc. There is no accounting for stupidity or compulsive behavior. Perhaps I did miss some or there are some that might have a bad reaction on their own... people can have weird body chemistry. But I didn't find any in days and days of research that I did. Worse incidences were times when it didn't get all the cancer, or where it left bad scarring.

Perhaps some of these people (like the idiot with the hole in his head) were just confused because Curaderm is the weak treatment and Cansema is what the Amazon Salve USED to be called. I could see people confusing the two names and using the Black Salve but with the directions for Curaderm. Perhaps the name "Amazon" also confused some who saw they could buy Curaderm on the Amazon web site? Who knows?

Amazon Topical Black salve is very similar, but probably not identical, to the formula used by Fredrick Mohs in the invention of his MOHS surgery. See, originally what Mohs did, was use the salve to identify tissue as cancer or not, then he would use a scalpel to cut away the cancerous tissue, then reapply the salve to see if any remaining tissue showed as cancer. Remember, if it's cancerous it turns white (because it's dying), where healthy tissue just gets red and irritated. Isn't it ironic that Doctors consider Mohs surgery one of the "gold standards" - even though they don't use the exact same method he did at all... and also disparage the salve he DID use successfully. Others Doctors have used similar methods... see below.

If you want to check out each individual ingredient in the Salve... the maker has posted the recipe for it online so you can make your own from scratch. Check each botanical and you will find that different research groups have done studies on their effectiveness against cancer... though with most things, results vary.

If I were going with a DIY treatment... The reason I would use the Amazon Topical Black Salve, rather than other treatments, is because other treatments require that the person reapply. This CAN lead a person to OVERtreatment of an area that perhaps should not have been treated at all. Additionally, these other methods don't seem to be as effective anyway.

Amazon Salve is more "clear cut" in how it works... or doesn't. You have a 24 hour "test" period where you can make your own determination whether you should continue and, if you don't, that short amount of time could not, in my opinion, do any extensive damage... it just doesn't work that fast and you would wash remaining residue off.

With the Amazon Salve, when you use it RIGHT... you are only applying it ONCE for 24 hours to see what kind of reaction your skin has. If you are not sure... don't continue using it (see a Doctor if you are still concerned). If, however, you see that the tissue clearly has white edges, then you reapply and leave on for two weeks... withOUT adding any more. Just keep it covered with a bandage. If you follow the steps properly... you don't have the opportunity to "over-treat." I might add that if you have severe pain for more than the first 3-4 days, that you might consider stopping... as that could indicate that your cancer is much deeper than you suspect. In that case I'd probably stop if I still had severe pain on day 5. If your cancer is just surface skin cancer, the pain won't be bad for more than 2-3 days, though you may have occationally twinges or discomfort.

Keep in mind... this is ONLY what I would do... I'm NOT telling anyone else what they should feel comfortable with because we all have to make OUR OWN health care decisions.

But do more research. It CAN be confusing because there are paid "sockpuppets" who will promote something because they make money from it. There are also those that are cheerleaders for the surgery method because they either feel most comfortable with it, or because they too, are paid from that same medical model. There are though... thousands of testimonials from people who used DIY treatment effectively... and only a handful that medical community points to with bad outcomes. I did the math and took a gamble.

Additionally, if you are doing a DIY treatment you have to know there is a risk that the Salve doe NOT get all the cancer. There can be some cells that are deep, and that regrow and spread down the road. This though can also be true with traditional treatments as well. Just take it for what it's worth... here is more "warnings" as to that aspect...
http://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(05)01432-5/fulltext

If someone is hesitant to use a DIY treatment and they have the money to throw a few thousand at a Doctor... they should do so. I only did the hours and hours of research I did because I was uninsured and didn't have the money so was motivated. However after seeing how well the $26 jar of salve worked on the first SC, I used it on two other spots as well (one at a time). It worked equally well on those so I saved about $2970. to $8000. which is what the surgery method (x3) would have run me. This was a few years ago, and so far, I've had no recurring problems in those area.

more from this forum... if you haven't see this yet...
http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1095

more interesting info:
http://www.whale.to/a/nichol6.html

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sorry I don't agree with you at all. My cancer was not worse than i realised, and i suffered through the pain without stopping until a large hole was seared into my face and then new skin grew. It was biopsied and diagnosed, and then biopsied again, by Drs. I followed ALL the curaderm instructions, and i even thought i was cured if you go back and read my posts.
My post it to warn people about Curaderm not being successful as claimed. You are saying that your cancer came back after MOHS? Well that is terribly unlucky because it has a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN rate of cure at 97% here in Australia , so wow how unlucky were you?
What is the success rate of Curaderm for BCC apart from (unacceptable to the science community) published anecdotal evidence from a DR who fled the country, and a book he wrote about eggplants curing cancer? Zero, and a hell of a lot of unhappy (and sore!) people. I know curaderm does eat into the cancer, but that is exactly what Saliyclic Acid should do if you put it on your skin.
I totally get that other hack and hope surgeries are not highly successful, because you never know if you got it all out, but with MOHS they don't stop until they have have ZERO cancer cells showing up in the treated area under a microscope? Who can argue with that?
I have nothing to gain from being honest on this forum, and those supporting this non approved, kind of works cream, have a lot to gain.

howardz43 perhaps this cream can work on Keratosis and can regress cancer, but it is terribly wrong for the makers of this cream to espouse an 80 to 100% success rate on BCCs. It is called illegal advertising in my country and hence why Dr Cham does not reside here or sell it legally. It was taken off the PBS for a reason. A real loving humanitarian (as they make him out to be) would stop selling it until they got the formula right, and obtained the medical results required by law, to make it a real, safe and legal option in the use of BCC cancer cure.
Enough said on this now, i am moving on from this BCC chapter of my life. Best wishes to all who have skin cancer, may you find your treatment and l pray you all make decision based on truth and what is real. When you are sick you are very vulnerable to wanting to believe there is a magic cure.

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Hi howardz43,
sounds like you need to sue your so called surgeon, not spend pages supporting Curaderm. In Australia a surgeon who 'felt like they couldn't take all the cancer out' would be struck off the medical board. You must see your case against MOHS sounds ridiculous?
I've had my MOHS surgery now (early August). I won't say it was a picnic in the park to have my nose cut open, but I was so safe, cared for, and now I am cancer free and recovering well. My biggest problem in life is now (small) scar management, not cancer. At about 6 months post surgery I will assess scar options if required. I just thank God I didn't leave it any longer. I'm not sure what the curaderm did because the cancer was large and certainly not even remotely gone. Your statement "or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer" is laughable and dangerous. I know you want to be the last thread on this forum to leave the reader wanting to purchase, but I'm hopefully people are smarter than that.

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Originally posted by howardz43

mandyyy, I know that you and several others 'want to be the last poster on this forum' extolling whatever they think is best and bashing Curaderm with lots of emotional rancor and bitterness due to the terrible results they got, or it's just too slow and takes a long time etc. I've read through many of these sad stories, but with the real horror stories it is not clear what they were trying to use Curaderm to heal in the first place. They never got it checked out medically, first. Could it not be that if they had done so they might have saved themselves a lot of wasted expense, time, and trouble? I've simply been telling what my results from using Curaderm are so far. If you and others don't like it, TS (that means Tough Sh_t)! ;-p

As for the Mhos surgery that I had, it was done at probably the best Veterans hospital here in the U.S. with the most advanced techniques available because it is closely related to a major university medical school right next door. The surgeon was a very nice lady surgeon, and I don't blame her, I think she did the best work that she could, so again :-p to you, and to the others who are posting here that are similar to you in your attitude and sarcasm. It comes through quite well in how you say what you say. Enough said?

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sounds like you need to sue your so called surgeon, not spend pages supporting Curaderm. In Australia a surgeon who 'felt like they couldn't take all the cancer out' would be struck off the medical board. You must see your case against MOHS sounds ridiculous?
I've had my MOHS surgery now (early August). I won't say it was a picnic in the park to have my nose cut open, but I was so safe, cared for, and now I am cancer free and recovering well. My biggest problem in life is now (small) scar management, not cancer. At about 6 months post surgery I will assess scar options if required. I just thank God I didn't leave it any longer. I'm not sure what the curaderm did because the cancer was large and certainly not even remotely gone. Your statement "or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer" is laughable and dangerous. I know you want to be the last thread on this forum to leave the reader wanting to purchase, but I'm hopefully people are smarter than that.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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gibsontown, If that tiny spot was cancerous and Curaderm didn't work on it for 9 months, how did Curaderm "make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive," per your doctor? I mean, either Curaderm had no effect, or, Curaderm did have the effect that your doctor said. Or, is it both ways at the same time? If it did have such an effect, don't you think that you would have noticed that kind of an effect, just a little bit?
I also wonder if maybe you got a counterfeit of Curaderm. Dr. Cham said in his book, The Eggplant Cancer Cure that:
"As described earlier in this book, it is not a simple matter of having glycoalkaloids in a cream or gel and assume that this is a treatment for skin cancer. Cancer is a serious condition. A tremendous amount of careful work was done to obtain these purified glycoalkaloids without traces of their inhibitors (interfering substances) from the plant materials. If this preparation is not properly completed, the end product will be useless, as experienced by patients who have been cleverly enticed to use counterfeit products. I have received numerous telephone calls, facsimiles, and emails from patients, all over the world, who have used these counterfeit products without success. The following is an example of a typical email received.

“Greetings, I have used Curaderm in the past with great success.
Last year I tried to order the product from…and was told it was now
called…I waited 4 months and finally received two tubes
of…(supposedly Curaderm) with an offer to buy a book claiming to
have the answer for skin cancer. Well, it didn’t have the consistency
of Curaderm, it didn’t smell like Curaderm and quite honestly it was
worthless. I was very impressed with the real Curaderm and would
like to purchase some. If you could direct me to a reliable source I
would be very grateful. Thanks"

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Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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Originally posted by gibsontown

It ate away at the (top portion) of the spot for most of that 9 months, yes. It was VERY reactive. Which is why my Doctor was kind of interested in it, and didn't object to me trying it. But 9 months is way too long to waste, in hindsite. :)

And sure, it looked totally successful for a few weeks after both treatments. But a couple months later a gaping, weeping even larger lesion opened up. My doctor said it simply cannot get to the very roots. I agree. Killing off part of the tumor, in his opinion, allows the roots to come back far more aggressively.

I totally regret wasting a year on Curaderm, and false hope. The tumor removed (after both treatments of Curaderm) was the size of a nickel, and deep. I have a 3" incision and cartilage graft. I wonder how much easier the surgery would have gone had I simply removed the tumor immediately, rather than 'trimming' it to grow deeper the past year.

I only post this so others will know. It seems that those who post success (on the website for sales) are only the ones immediately after treatment. Sure. Mine looked great for a few months, too.

I requested in writing that my testimony also be posted, so people can get an accurate view. But they will not post my testimony of trying it and it not resulting in a success in the end.

Maybe it simply doesn't work on infiltrative BCC like mine (the manufacturer insisted that 'over 15,000 cases of infiltrative have been cured.' What is the actual cure rate, 5 years later? Nobody seems to know - that info seems censured, to me, the consumer.

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Originally posted by howardz43

gibsontown, If that tiny spot was cancerous and Curaderm didn't work on it for 9 months, how did Curaderm "make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive," per your doctor? I mean, either Curaderm had no effect, or, Curaderm did have the effect that your doctor said. Or, is it both ways at the same time? If it did have such an effect, don't you think that you would have noticed that kind of an effect, just a little bit?
I also wonder if maybe you got a counterfeit of Curaderm. Dr. Cham said in his book, The Eggplant Cancer Cure that:
"As described earlier in this book, it is not a simple matter of having glycoalkaloids in a cream or gel and assume that this is a treatment for skin cancer. Cancer is a serious condition. A tremendous amount of careful work was done to obtain these purified glycoalkaloids without traces of their inhibitors (interfering substances) from the plant materials. If this preparation is not properly completed, the end product will be useless, as experienced by patients who have been cleverly enticed to use counterfeit products. I have received numerous telephone calls, facsimiles, and emails from patients, all over the world, who have used these counterfeit products without success. The following is an example of a typical email received.

“Greetings, I have used Curaderm in the past with great success.
Last year I tried to order the product from…and was told it was now
called…I waited 4 months and finally received two tubes
of…(supposedly Curaderm) with an offer to buy a book claiming to
have the answer for skin cancer. Well, it didn’t have the consistency
of Curaderm, it didn’t smell like Curaderm and quite honestly it was
worthless. I was very impressed with the real Curaderm and would
like to purchase some. If you could direct me to a reliable source I
would be very grateful. Thanks"

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Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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Originally posted by gibsontown

I'm glad it worked for you Howard. I followed very, very specific instructions from the manufacturer (who I was informed was 'the Doctor who created it, himself') and probably exchanged several dozen photos over the 9 month course of treatment.

Each photo was analyized and directions given, and another photo requested. Never was there 'dead skin' over the lesion. And never was it suggested that I harshly scrub 'dead skin' away from an obviously open, raw lesion.

Curaderm simply did not work for me. There was zero user error. I am willing to go another year or two 'trying' again, after it was proclaimed cured (by said manufacturer) twice during the 9 months, and I was instructed to stop Curaderm because all signs of cancer were gone. This simply was not the case for me. They were wrong. It did not work.

I wish I had found others willing to share that information so I could have made a better decision, perhaps after the first treatment (12 weeks) failed to eradicate it.

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Originally posted by evoc

gibsontown, "... I think it is clear from the last post from the guy who raves about Curaderm that he is an employee. He said he receives emails faxes from patients. That is a function of a physician or scientist working for Curaderm, not a regular consumer. Shame on Curaderm first for scamming us all and then for posting the company liar here to further the scam.
"Curaderm's official word to me was they think people should stop reading these forums. Then they removed all the Curaderm forums.
But they plant someone here."

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Originally posted by gibsontown

I'm glad it worked for you Howard. I followed very, very specific instructions from the manufacturer (who I was informed was 'the Doctor who created it, himself') and probably exchanged several dozen photos over the 9 month course of treatment.

Each photo was analyized and directions given, and another photo requested. Never was there 'dead skin' over the lesion. And never was it suggested that I harshly scrub 'dead skin' away from an obviously open, raw lesion.

Curaderm simply did not work for me. There was zero user error. I am willing to go another year or two 'trying' again, after it was proclaimed cured (by said manufacturer) twice during the 9 months, and I was instructed to stop Curaderm because all signs of cancer were gone. This simply was not the case for me. They were wrong. It did not work.

I wish I had found others willing to share that information so I could have made a better decision, perhaps after the first treatment (12 weeks) failed to eradicate it.

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Originally posted by Nanoagain

Mandyy, do keep in mind that your doctor is also selling something. Current mainstream medical treats cancers primarily by debulking the cancer (surgically or chemically) and then hopes that the patient's body will be able to get on top of the disease. They do not cure the cancer by removing it.

About a month after having MOHs for my BCC, another lesion was quickly growing on another part of my face. About eight months after the operation, bumps were beginning to occur right along the incision line. Right away I treated with various combos of vitamins and minerals and they reduced or went away. I did not get a biopsy, but they reacted the way that the cancer had in response to vitamin C. So unfortunately, MOHs did not prevent more lesions--some in the exact same area that had been so meticulously cut out.

Removing the cancer, whether by MOHs surgery, Curaderm, black salve, etc. is only part of the solution. You are only debulking the cancer with these different methods, but the big question is how to enable your body to get rid of any remaining cancer.

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi gibonstown - stitches didn't hurt coming out at all, but take some pain management before you go if you are worried. I got some codeine prescribed to me for pain management after my op, so i took one of those. I am like a baby when it comes to needles/stitches so I prefer to be prepared.
best wishes for a speedy recovery :)

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard you already know I don't own this site and you know I am an admin here. I help Dan "the owner" with spam, advertising and crude or rude post or comments.. I have and do delete post that fall into that category and call out people who have come here posing as Topical info members with skin cancer to promote their wares..People that sell Curaderm ( and never had skin cancer themselves) have come here touting and recommending the product without revealing they actually sell it.

I have yet to delete any of your post but you have made some comments to people that shared their bad experiences with Curaderm that bordered on rude and obnoxious. I've warned you in the past and thus the reminder to keep it civil recently.

You play this off like I am picking on you and that I don't like that you had success. That is nonsense. All one has to do is look back at your post to see exactly how sweet, understanding and innocent you are towards those that don't think Curaderm is the be all end all best option.

It's great that Curaderm worked for you...unfortunately it hasn't for many here. I and others here believe there are more effective less expensive choices. To each his own, we all have our own personal "skin in the game"

You accused Mandy "and others" of trying to have the last word. It wasn't as rude as some of your other previous rants but then you finished off in your typical pleasant styling with " if others don't like it TS...

Thus my reply reminding you the pendulum swings both ways...

keep it civil, keep it honest and accept the fact that many of us here aren't Curaderm fans for very valid, painful and expensive reasons.

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Of course this forum is for people who have had bad experiences with curaderm - it's not currently approved or endorsed by the medical professional AT ALL! People want to know if it's a scam, so they do their amateur research on forums like these hoping to find the truth of the products success. There is enough damming reports on this forum for people to decide for themselves. And Dr Cham.. is making a lot of money out of his product with a lot of false claims. I ask everyone to read this: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-oz-revisited/ (scroll to eggplant cure for cancer)

If you want to have a forum for "good experiences of curaderm" then please get Dr. Cham to keep improving curaderm and get it approved for sale (properly- outside of vanuatu!). Then we wouldn't need this discussion at all - because if it really worked, we would all know about it and sing its praises. I would LOVE for a cream to be successful in removing cancer - i do hope one day there is a breakthrough and we all get to do a happy dance. We are all batting for the same team Howardz43 - we want a non surgical cure skin cancer that has the same (medically proven) success rate as MOHS surgery of 98%. Until then I would never endorse a cream that had such a high rate of failure and causing people so much hurt and upset, even if I believed it had worked for me. I care about people - not curaderm.
On a separate note, do you know if Dr Cham is doing ongoing research for his cream? or has he stopped?

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Originally posted by gibsontown

Mandy, you are right. After a year of trying to remove a SMALL bcc on the side of my nose, I've decided that the problem with Dr. Cham is he absolutely refuses to accept that his product is not 100% effective on all basal cell cancers.

When I began to decide that after 2 treatments (12, then 22 weeks)(the cancer was CLEARLY still there and growing much more aggressive, Dr. Cham refused to agree. He insisted I get a biopsy to 'prove' the cancer was not healed, though the area was open, bleeding and weeping pus. I provided him the orig. biopsy and photos, and he still insisted the cancer was gone!

Both times he pronounced me cured and cancer-free, and it looked so for a short while, but both times the cancer returned even more aggressively).

I totally regret spending so much time with Curaderm.

Curaderm very well MAY work on many skin cancers - but I knew mine was deep (the pathology described it), and he insisted that '15,000 infiltrative BCCs just like yours have been successfully treated with Curaderm.'

The tumor removed from me just weeks after the 2nd insistence of being cured, was far larger than the small lesion that Curaderm opened up, and had a root larger (deeper) than a grain of rice. There is no way Curaderm reached that deep - I would have observed the lesion if it had.

I'm so grateful for those it has helped. Until Dr. Cham ACCEPTS the failure reports like mine, which I sent him asking him to apply to his research for the benefits of others making medical decisions about his product, he will only have a bunch of false claims.

It's unfortunate he isn't more honest about his research, because used on appropriate cancers, it sounds like a great treatment. Too many like myself wasted valuable time and ended up with more invasive surgeries than had we not tried a product that obviously can not address very deep infiltrative basal cell cancers.

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