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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2012 :  13:55:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cangrats SuzeQ!

As I understand it he did not invent blooodroot paste but was one of the earlier medical pioneers who used it. He actually would apply 24 hours before surgery and then remove everything that was white..where the white blood cells attacked. He had a very high success rate with it. Not sure why he went to the freezing slide sample method..but it is pretty primitive when you realize what and how it works. I've actually had the privileged of watching the tech freeze my own specimen and watch him slice paper thin slices for study under the microscope..eeeew!
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2012 :  18:41:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess I feel some success I have been working on this lesion for 8 years. I have tried all kinds of things. I really don't want to start the doctor thing. I think they would probably have a great time with my problem but I would prefer not to sign up for that. What I would like to know is those who have felt there has been some success with curaderm how long did it take. I am approaching week 13. The redness has decreased the burning on application has lessened and the leasion is smaller but not as quickly as I expected. It is deep and the yellow stuff continue to come off when I flush it out with saline solution. I wuld like to hear about other folks so I can at continue for a period of time. Let me know what has happened.
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2012 :  15:41:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I have 14 weeks in on a lesion I have had for 7 years. It has grown slowly and I am grateful it is at my hairline and not visable. I am just beginning to see a slight bit of healing happen. I hate the burning but that also is less and less. What happens after this stage. The lesion is not as deep as it was or red but it makes me nervous. The part that doesn't have skin on it yet is a yellow and if you try to take it away it is painful, almost like an ache. I am willing to put in the time and the pain to heal it up but am worried. I am grateful it is smaller but it is the size of a nickel so it has a very long way to go. I would appreciate anyone elses experience good or bad with curaderm. Thanks
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dan

607 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2012 :  00:34:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi no1artist, I don't have experience with curaderm but maybe have a few ideas to consider. Many topical treatments, especially single remedies, get bogged down and it becomes difficult to tell if there is progress or not. It is always a good idea to take pictures throughout the process to compare at a later date. Picture evidence can motivate you to keep going or switch tactics.

Curaderm works sometimes but it has not been a sure thing by itself. 14 weeks seems like you might be bogged down. You might consider combining another treatment or two to see if that speeds things up. If it were me, I would give orange oil a try (~$5 at GNC). Topical pancreatin enzymes with ammonia and aloe vera (or Cymilium) is another easy one to try. There are many threads in this forum on these remedies, the search at the top of the page can find them. Thanks for the post!
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Heirsolo

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2012 :  16:48:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi no1artist,

Curaderm works successfully for me in treating numerous non melanoma skin cancers.

14 weeks is totally normal as you have had this for 7 years. There could be plenty cancer cells beneath that Curaderm is removing one by one which is why you are seeing yellow discharge or pus signifying dead cancer cells being eliminated and pushed out from your lesion.

Best not to remove the yellow by force it will naturally fall off! just apply Curaderm over it.

This elimination process will continue till there are no more cancer cells or yellow with only raw looking lesion then you will begin to witness healing even though you are still applying Curaderm.

It sounds that you are doing just fine and would suggested that if you ever needed support, you can contact the company who makes Curaderm ( Curaderm Global Ltd) +888 409 8351

I have contact them in the past and they were very helpful in advising and guiding me throughout my first treatment with Curaderm.

Thanks for your post!

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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2012 :  18:31:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Dan for the encouraging words. I feel a glimmer of hope now that I can see at the very top of the lesion there is a new look and more heathful look. I am thrilled to receive help and support i this regard as most would not understand taking this route vs. going to a dermo and getting cut. I am sure the sun exposure as a young person was the cause of the difficulties. I am only on tube number 2 and have one in the refrigerator when I am ready for it. I will probably order one more to keep on hand in hopes number three will be the charm. I hate the burning but it doesn't last as long as it did at first so I am grateful. Again thank you for the post and the info.
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CuradermBEC5

Vanuatu
55 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2012 :  20:15:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi no1artist,

I have had a lot of experience with Curaderm and I am more than happy to offer you my advice.

What you are experiencing is totally normal and I would not risk mixing Curaderm with any other treatment. There are a few reasons for this: -
1. If you are already experiencing skin sensitivity such as intense stinging, this will only add to the sensitivity of the skin causing further pain, which may become unbearable.
2. If the pain becomes unbearable and you stop treatment early, you will harden the skin and if you than resume treatment, treatment will be harder the 2nd time around.
3. You may cause scarring which is what you are trying to avoid by treating yourself with Curaderm. Curaderm is designed to not damage your healthy skin cells, other home remedies do not do this, they attack all cells healthy or cancerous.
4. Risk of infection by mixing in foreign and not sterilised ingredients.

Your treatment time is normal and it is always hard to predict how long treatment will take with Curaderm. It is normal for your lesion to grow a during the initial phase of the treatment as the Curaderm is destroying the cancerous cells that often extend under the surface of the skin further than the surface lesion. A skin cancer could be described like an iceberg, what you see of the surface is often a lot smaller than what is underneath.

Treatment with Curaderm could take a couple of weeks or it could take well over a month. The length of your treatment with Curaderm depends on how large the lesion is (and remember this is not just what you see on the surface). There is no fixed time for a treatment with Curaderm, you should only stop treatment when the lesion has completely healed over with healthy skin.

By continuing your treatment with Curaderm while you are healing, the pH of the Curaderm keeps the lesion safe from infection (and for the below reasons). Also, if you were to cease treatment early you could never know for sure exactly whether all the cancerous cells have been destroyed and could leave yourself at an elevated risk of a reoccurrence.

Another reason to keep treating with Curaderm until the lesion has completely healed is because this is how Curaderm was tested in the clinical trials, and if you stopped treatment early then your statistical chance of success may be lower than those published about Curaderm (which has been almost 100% in some trials).

As for this stinging, can I ask how you are cleaning your lesion? The reason I ask this is that some people add to their skin sensitivity by how they are cleaning their lesion, so how you clean the lesion can often be a big cause of the stinging. You also need to make sure that you do not rub or pick at the lesion as you may damage the healthy skin cells encouraging scarring.

There are many products that you can use to clean your lesion with during treatment with Curaderm but treating the lesion for infection is not always necessary.

Curaderm BEC5 contains Salicylic Acid and also Urea, these ingredients will help prevent you from any infection during treatment.

During treatment with Curaderm, people often think they have an infection but chances are this is just the dead cancer cells. If you experience discharge or fluid during treatment with Curaderm it is more than likely dead cancer cells that are being ‘mopped up’ by phagocytes (white blood cells).

As for the application of Curaderm, you only need to apply a thin smear of Curaderm to the lesion as you are near the end of treatment as you do not need to be as aggressive at this stage. This will also help with the skin sensitivity.

You will find with treatment, that once the Curaderm has destroyed all the cancer cells, the healing will take quicker than expected. So although they may look deep now and end of treatment seems a long way away, once the cancer cells are destroyed healing will progress a lot quicker. And 7 years is a long time to have had a lesion.

I hope this helps, please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
Brooke
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2012 :  09:14:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Being as Dan has nothing monetarily to gain from his advice, I'd take it a lot more seriously than the next two post encouraging you to forge on with just Curaderm.

Though you wouldn't get it from how he posted here, a quick google search will show you Heirsolo is a representative of the company..I suspect the same of curadermbec5.

Good luck however you choose to proceed just don't be deceived, make a well informed decision.



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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2012 :  12:37:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Brooke for all your advise and encouragment. I use sterile saline to clean the wound. I continue to have a raw edge in different places. I hope I haven't put too much curaderm on it. Maybe a thin layer would be better. How do you suggest it is applied. It is so expensive and try not to waste it. I started a week ago applying fresh three times a day and that seems to have made a difference.
I look forward to hearing from you and again thank you.
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CuradermBEC5

Vanuatu
55 Posts

Posted - 05/28/2012 :  21:23:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear no1artist,

That is fine how you are cleaning the lesion. You can continue to clean this way or simply just use normal tap water, because as I stated before it is very hard to get an infection using Curaderm. Just be careful not to rub at the skin when cleaning to help with your skin sensitivity.

Your application sounds fine but as it does start to enter the healing phase, you may be better off just applying a thin layer only twice a day as you do not need to be as aggressive with treatment during this phase. Once you have entered this phase, Curaderm has killed majority of the cancer cells (and still will be killing some) and it is now being used to prevent infection and assist with healing.

If you need further help, or you would like to send me an email with a picture to look at, please email me at admin@curadermbec5.com, this will help me advise you better.

Regards,
Brooke

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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2012 :  12:52:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Brooke: Tell me this, I have been faithful to stick with the treatment no matter what. I now am beginning to see some improvement. I am hopeful things will continue to improve. I appreciate the advice and would like to stay in touch.

Again thanks you.
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CuradermBEC5

Vanuatu
55 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2012 :  22:15:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is great to hear that you are improving, it is funny how things can change so quickly. Please keep in touch.
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 06/04/2012 :  08:06:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess I didn't figure it would take so long. The burning is the part I hate the most. It is not a pretty wound but I am grateful not to have to get involved with the medical world. I probably should start taking photos to get a true sense of the progress and if I am a success case I would be happy to share. Thanks for the support. By the way I am 64 years old and did the sun bathing thing for many years. Thus the price to pay.
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mojave melody

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2012 :  11:32:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello! I've been using Curaderm for 3 weeks and I may have got myself in trouble. In the beginning about 10 years ago I was treated for an ear infection. After awhile it returned. Then I tried everything natural I could. It came and went alternately. Last year it was diagnosed as a BCC inside the tragus of my left ear. Dr. wanted to do Mohs surgery. I treated it with bloodroot and nothing happened. Then I treated it with black salve 1x. It worked for awhile taking off part of my tragus, then returned. I then started Curaderm. Prior to the problem with the tragus I had some scabbing alternately on the outside edge of the same ear. It also would seem to heal then scab over again. Finally it went away, but not really as I discovered when I applied the Curaderm. I applied Curaderm over the whole outside edge of my ear as there was alot of scar tissue there. Now my whole ear is swollen, red, there is some bleeding and a lot of the skin has peeled off down to the blood vessels inside the tragus and also on the edges of the outide side of my ear. I found that my right ear also has a lesion and the skin is peeling there also. After just 3 weeks I shake when I apply the Curaderm because the stinging and burning is just that bad. I now know what a devil dance is. I had to take a rest from the application on the outside edge of my left ear. I applied some unpetroleum jelly and covered it with tape to keep it soft, hoping that the areas around the lesion will settle down and I won't lose my ear. Also I have a superficial lesion in the temporal area. It also spread out involving a larger area. I am normally a calm and rational person, but this is making me a little crazy. Can someone help me make sense of any of this? I would very much appreciate your input.

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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2012 :  21:52:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeeooowch Melody!

So sorry you are going through so much pain. No fun.

If you go through this site you will know I am not a big fan of Curaderm but am a big fan of bloodroot paste and now petty spurge. They both work and work quickly, much more quickly than Curaderm does on larger skin cancers.

You mentioned you used bloodroot with no effect, then used black salve and it kind of worked.

Bloodroot PASTE from reliable suppliers ( I don't want to promote a particular brand but if you go to other parts of this forum there are several people who mention brands that work). A reliable brand will attack and get at the non melanoma skin cancers very fast and furious.

Same goes with Petty Spurge..we just finished this season here in California for the outdoor version but you may be able to buy seeds and grow them indoors.

That all said what to do right now. I don't envy your situation. You are in the middle of treatment with Curagerm and maybe ...maybe you will be one of the lucky ones it works on. I have now and had some very big ones and spent a ton of time treating them with Curaderm and over $300 on it with only miserable torture results. Yes it would eat at it and burn..The company said just keep applying and buying but after 3 months of that, having already used Bloodroot paste and had instant overnight success ( albeit major pain, swelling and a good few months of healing) I gave up on the what I had hoped was a softer gentler way of getting these lesions handled.

In your case it is in such an awkward place to treat and bandage. Putting all over your ear sounds like you may have over did it. Have you done a test area elsewhere on your body "where the sun don't shine" to make sure it doesn't burn that skin also? I usually do a 24 hour test on the inside of my upper thigh. I apply whatever it is I am trying, put some tape over it and check it the next day. Curaderm did not bother me but everybody is different.

Definitely call the people at Curaderm and let them know what you are up to...going through...they may have some better suggestions or strategies for you to carry on. Prayers and hopes of you winning out over this coming your way.

Edited by - anivoc on 06/12/2012 21:56:23
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mojave melody

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 06/13/2012 :  00:48:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Anivoc for your caring reply and your prayers. I will try to call Curaderm tomorrow. My ear is a bloody mess even after stopping the Curaderm in that area for 24 hours. The blood root that I used was a liquid . It did not do anything at all. Black Salve destroyed healthy tissue as well leaving me with a smaller tragus that seems to have collapsed closing the ear canal. Then the lesions came back in a few months. I cannot take the pain of the Curaderm on the outside of my ear. The other places burn, but are tolerable. Yes, I regret putting it on so much of the surface of the outside of my ear, but because of the scar tissue I could not see where the lesions were. Amazing, but only my ear lobe is unaffected and has natural skin color. I have been reading about Raspex Raspberry Skin Cream Gel. I'm not sure if it would be strong enough for the outside of my ear as the problem has existed too long, Perhaps there is a chance that it will work though. They say it is painless They also offer it in a powder that is taken internally to boost the immune system and promote healing. Or, maybe I'll try a different blood root product as you suggested. But, I think you said that it burned too. Its getting late, I'll decide tomorrow. Thank you again.

Bye
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 06/13/2012 :  13:23:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Melody..

Hang in there.. As a long time alternative approacher I can tell you first hand do not waste your time or money on raspex. The guy that makes it is a really nice guy, he even sent me free samples when he first started offering it on the net several years ago. My wife liked it as a face cream..but zero..nada on real skin cancers.

It can be very tedious going through this site but there are a lot of ways to approach these lesions. Dan ( the owner of this site) has had documented success with cymillium and orange oil, restricted diet and a litany of supplements.

Unfortunately there are also threads and post where someone jumps in with what I call over enthusiastic HOPIUM exclaiming success when in fact ...it is just another dead end wast of time..i.e. the eggplant vinegar thread where someone claimed using just regular old eggplant ground up in vinegar would knock out skin cancer.. a bunch of us jumped on the bandwagon but in the end..pretty much a messy losing proposition.
The tried and true alternatives for me personally are Bloodroot paste and Petty spurge. But they are both very aggressive.
You mentioned the black salve ate away healthy skin..maybe..maybe not.
Though there are black salves that have no bloodroot most I've seen do..just calling it another name.

Just so you always know what is happening..I strongly encourage you to always do the 24 hour "where the sun don't shine" test area BEFORE putting anything on the cancerous area. That way you know for sure if the stuff eats away healthy skin or not.. definitely what may appear "healthy" may have cancer in it. As one dermatologist explained it to me. Skin cancers are often like an ice berg. What you see on top may only be small part of what is going on below the surface, thus the possibility of what you thought was healthy skin not being so....

Again good luck and prayers coming from all of us for strength, courage and wisdom as you trudge forward.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2012 :  19:40:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by no1artist

I have been using curaderm for approximately 21 weeks. I have a lesion that has been there grown and changed for more than 8 years. I think I am well on my way but there seems some strands or leads or something like that that seems to travel. I wondered if other have had that experience. One thing I find most uncomfortable is the burning. I was in a place last week that the burn was minor and I was thrilled my spirits soared then all of a sudden I have a deeper spot and it burns like fire. Fortunately it doesn't last anywhere near as long as it did when I first started. I would like to know if othere have had this situation of traveling spots and when does the burn end. Let me know your thoughts and/or experiences. FYI I find when I am under a great deal of stress it seems to get worse.



Hey No1artist..moved it here
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 07/05/2012 :  15:42:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks anivoc for letting me know. I am not sure how to navigate the postings.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/05/2012 :  16:59:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No problem.. Hope you are doing OK
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 07/20/2012 :  20:59:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So Here I am after 30 + weeks I am almost cured. I will order my 4th tube of curaderm tomorrow and would like to help others who are using this product. I am so excited to think I have come this far. I would like to know how long to go on with the treatment. What do it look like to be healed? Does the skin stay red like a scar? Please advise.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2012 :  08:36:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As far as when is it gone...with Curaderm I don't know because I could never get it to kill everything.. IT just kept eating away and the tumor kept staying... just a daily battle of pain.. With the bloodroot or the petty spurge a fw applications and it was done.

You should check with the people you bought the Curaderm from.. I believe they say keep using it until you no longer get a reaction.

In regards to the the scaring, it is really dependent on how much tissue was removed.. IN some cases where I have successfully knocked out a bcc I have very minimal scaring in others where the lesion was bigger I have a pretty big scar..would have had one any way if I had gone traditional medicine too..so the scar is just part of the dealing with the tumor. Hope for the best and keep it covered as it heals. That's all you can do.
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2012 :  21:16:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So here I am 7 month in treatment 3 tubes with the 4 th in the refrigerator waiting. I seem to make some progress and then I regress. Is it stress bad diet or wrong useage. I would appreciate some advice. The lesion I am treating has been there for almost 8 years. I really could use some advice. Anyone's thoughts? Thanks so much
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2012 :  21:40:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey #1

As I have mentioned I tried with Curaderm for several months of annoying painful treatment with no win in the end..

You know what to do with the Curaderm...so as far as something different to add to the protocol the suggestions are definitely little or no sugar, less meat and certain supplements all seem to help in the battle.

The crux of the matter is..people not doing anything different with diet or supplements using petty spurge and bloodroot paste are having much better success than you or I did with Curaderm.

Recently several people are posting about success with vitamin C paste or mixtures of it therein..I'm experimenting and it has me intrigued..

Good luck whatever you choose to do going forward.

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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2012 :  13:00:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you apply petty spurge topically? Does it sting? I hate that part of curaderm. I would be up for trying something new. I also will take your advice and change my diet to even more. Are you healed by using the other products?
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2012 :  17:10:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No1artist

You really owe it to yourself to take the time to read through the bloodroot, petty spurge and vitamin C threads and decide how you want to proceed on your own.

My personal experiences are that bloodroot when first applied does not burn but withing minutes you start to feel it "pulling". Within hours swelling starts and it gets bad. The next few weeks at least in my case where I had some pretty big lesions it really swelled up and I was in a lot of aching / throbbing pain not burning pain. Having used both Curaderm & Bloodroot on big lesions, bloodroot hurts more but is over in a few weeks where Curaderm hurts less but took forever and in the end was unsuccessful.

To be clear "cured" is an illusive word when speaking of skin cancer.

In my pictures I've posted links of here on this site you will see two large ones on my forehead that were gone for about 4 years but re-surged..the one on my nose has been fine for over 11 years now..can't say why one stays gone and others come back.

To clarify one of the ones om forehead a dermatologist excised one of them by scalpel a few years before the bloodroot and it came back. I was VERY unhappy with the scar it left and how it tweaked my forehead and eyebrow .. When I used the bloodroot it left a big scar but my eyebrow did come back to almost normal in the process.

I have since used petty spurge on a small bcc on my arm with success. Because it was small and in a easy area to treat it seemed quite a bit less painful than the forehead ones which were bigger and are tight against the bone of my forehead.

A few years back I also had a large nodular BCC removed by Mohs on the top of my head..lost a good 3/4" spot of hair and I can tell there is new cancer coming back on the borders.

Right now I am doing a weird concoction that includes Vitamin C and a few other ingredients that I am for sure is at least holding things at bay but I don't think I am going to get the win with this over all...

I will be making a decision to either go back to bloodroot or petty spurge on the large ones in the next month or so.. Sure is easy to keep putting this off but I am so tired of the bandages on my forehead and ritual involved everyday to treat and care for them..



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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2012 :  08:47:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I certainly appreciate your wise advice. I will definitely look at some of the other options. I just added Vit C and selenium to my regimen of supplements too. I don't like the thought one bit of going to the doctor. Sometime it seems almost better even almost gone and then back it comes. It seems to be attached to my stress level and how well I am eating (or not). Please keep me posted on your progress and I will do the same.

Thanks again I appreciate the freedom to speak of this problem with someone who has the same.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Hey #1

As I have mentioned I tried with Curaderm for several months of annoying painful treatment with no win in the end..

You know what to do with the Curaderm...so as far as something different to add to the protocol the suggestions are definitely little or no sugar, less meat and certain supplements all seem to help in the battle.

The crux of the matter is..people not doing anything different with diet or supplements using petty spurge and bloodroot paste are having much better success than you or I did with Curaderm.

Recently several people are posting about success with vitamin C paste or mixtures of it therein..I'm experimenting and it has me intrigued..

Good luck whatever you choose to do going forward.




Edited by - anivoc on 09/21/2012 08:56:54
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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2012 :  23:18:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everone out there. I had finished a spot on the left tip of my nose, after 18 mo or so. I had moved on to some other spots on the other side of my nose. I then noticed what looked like the start of a white head under the spot I had just finished. A couple of days later it felt hard but didn't hurt. I put some curaderm on it. After a day the skin pealed off the top, the next day it looked bigger. This morning after I wiped off the lose skin I could see that it looked like a pearl, but when I rubbed it with the Q tip it was attached. Tonight I rub it lightly and it just feel out in one peace. It looks like a small pearl, its hard, about the size of a sesame seed. Any Ideas?
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Bullmoose

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2012 :  14:47:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
30+ weeks and not cured? what do you have? If you use 35% HP , my experience is about 2 weeks, apply with a swab , leave the soaked swab on until it turns white and crusty, peel it then re apply, with my skin cancer and it was biopsied and confirmed skin cancer, 2 weeks of 35% HP and it fell off leaving no scar, my dermatologist could not find where it ustabe,when I was treating the cancer I could feel it working clear through my lip until it just fell off
quote:
Originally posted by no1artist

So Here I am after 30 + weeks I am almost cured. I will order my 4th tube of curaderm tomorrow and would like to help others who are using this product. I am so excited to think I have come this far. I would like to know how long to go on with the treatment. What do it look like to be healed? Does the skin stay red like a scar? Please advise.

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Stephen M

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 10/15/2012 :  17:11:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is my first post. I've been using curaderm for approx. 18 weeks. The lesion was on the side of my nose and was confirmed by biopsy. The location was somewhat difficult to keep the lotion on (even with micropore tape) due to gravity and the angle. Initially the curaderm enlarged and deepened the biopsy area considerably, but now the area is reduced to about 1/4 the size (about the size of a normal drinking straw opening). There has been no descernable change to the area for some time (except occasionaly a very small white growth appears in one area which I usually remove with soap/water and a cotton swab or antibiotic onitment. I then re-apply curaderm and micropore.
About 3 or 4 weeks after I started this process I tried curaderm on the top end of my nose where I had a suspicous area. After about 3 days, curaderm started eliminating tissue
in this area. The area now seems to be slowly (very slowly) becoming smaller and bright red (sometimes a small amount of blood).
I would appreciate any suggestions or feedback particularly from those of you who have used curaderm on deeper lesions and/or locations on the nose.
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Kfox100

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Posted - 10/15/2012 :  19:09:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi! I'm using curaderm for DFSP and wondering if anyone else tried using it for this. Technically it is a sarcoma but it spreads wide rather than deep. So far so good! Had all these bumps on my forehead and after just a few days they are almost gone! However, I it is still present because it stings a lot and red when I put it on. I am also using oxygenated olive oil during the day and during curaderm at night with DMSO. I'm applying creams 3 times throughout the day either the olive oil or curaderm. I was wondering about the tape, when I called they said I should use the tape over the cream but I don't trust what chemicals are in the tape glue and if I should really be putting on my forehead so those chemicals will seep in as well. I'm also doing a major internal cleanse as well. I believe healthy body and I can do even better. Wanted to see if anyone had some advice for me. The alternative for me would be major disfiguring of my forehead with skin grafts and the cancer has gone down as far as my eyelid which I'm also applying cream there as well!! Thank you all for your help!!
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mitch1760

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2012 :  20:53:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a BCC near my eye at the root of my nose. I have been using Curaderm for three weeks now and the lession has grown in size and the skn surrounding the wound has no color at all, it almost looks like dead skin. The lesion looks raw and there is no sign of new skin growth. has Anyone else had this or similar.
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steve-o

1 Posts

Posted - 11/12/2012 :  07:34:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any help would be much appreciated.

I have a medium sized BCC on nose and applied Curaderm yesterday for the first time. Put the second application on before bed and started to sweat profusely - that continued the entire night. Woke up and the skin had started to peel over the lesion. The first layer of skin basically just fell off. It's a little red, but looks better. I assume I keep applying it. Do I keep applying it right on the reddened, raw skin until all visible signs of reaction and cancer lesion are gone?

Thanks and any input you have would be really helpful!
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kammy

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2012 :  06:06:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it true you can use curaderm for tongue cancer? I have SCC. I read forest said you can. Seems painful. Anyone have any experience or thoughts on this?
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Veet

Canada
1 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2012 :  07:43:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve-o

Any help would be much appreciated.

I have a medium sized BCC on nose and applied Curaderm yesterday for the first time. Put the second application on before bed and started to sweat profusely - that continued the entire night. Woke up and the skin had started to peel over the lesion. The first layer of skin basically just fell off. It's a little red, but looks better. I assume I keep applying it. Do I keep applying it right on the reddened, raw skin until all visible signs of reaction and cancer lesion are gone?

Thanks and any input you have would be really helpful!



Hi Steve i have Basal cell on the side of my nose just below my eye. After much reasearch i started using Curaderm Bec5 1 week ago . I put it on 4 times a day and only on or in the lesion as mine is the size of a large pea with a crater . I've had the burning , redness, weeping and enlargement of the lesion, before i noticed it was getting smaller and smaller . It has now gotten to where it hardly burns at all and the skin is getting it's color back . I cleanse it at each application with warm water and flat pads careful not to rub but dab it clean, then disinfect it with a little peroxide mixed with water and then polysporine to the skin around the lesion .I then put a small amount of Bec5 in the lesion and cover it with microspore tape . Wash your hand after wards . So far I am very impressed with the Curaderm . I have pictures if anyone wants to see the progression . Thanks to all for this site
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2012 :  08:56:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Veet

quote:
Originally posted by steve-o

Any help would be much appreciated.

I have a medium sized BCC on nose and applied Curaderm yesterday for the first time. Put the second application on before bed and started to sweat profusely - that continued the entire night. Woke up and the skin had started to peel over the lesion. The first layer of skin basically just fell off. It's a little red, but looks better. I assume I keep applying it. Do I keep applying it right on the reddened, raw skin until all visible signs of reaction and cancer lesion are gone?

Thanks and any input you have would be really helpful!



Hi Steve i have Basal cell on the side of my nose just below my eye. After much reasearch i started using Curaderm Bec5 1 week ago . I put it on 4 times a day and only on or in the lesion as mine is the size of a large pea with a crater . I've had the burning , redness, weeping and enlargement of the lesion, before i noticed it was getting smaller and smaller . It has now gotten to where it hardly burns at all and the skin is getting it's color back . I cleanse it at each application with warm water and flat pads careful not to rub but dab it clean, then disinfect it with a little peroxide mixed with water and then polysporine to the skin around the lesion .I then put a small amount of Bec5 in the lesion and cover it with microspore tape . Wash your hand after wards . So far I am very impressed with the Curaderm . I have pictures if anyone wants to see the progression . Thanks to all for this site

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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2012 :  08:58:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would love to see the photos. I have been fighting a few small lessions on the side of my temple for about 10 months with curaderm. I seem to have success and then they pop back up again. I wonder if a cleaner environment might be the key. As you were saying with a solution of perioxide and water between applications. Keep me posted.
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CuradermBEC5

Vanuatu
55 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2012 :  23:48:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have found a new forum dedicated to treatment with Curaderm BEC5.

http://www.curaderm-members-only.com/

Maybe helpful to some of you.

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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2012 :  00:47:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The quintessential question is which modality, Curaderm vs Surgery, is most effective at preventing metastasis. Of course we know that squamous cell carcinoma metastasizes more frequently than basal cell, so the question might better be split into those two separately.

I would be grateful for references to any studies on this topic. i'd rather have a scar, even go through grafting, than have a lethal metastasis.

any personal replies would be gratefully appreciated. please email to:

Richard Jay Seedman, DVM
icf@cds1.net

with the subject line showing:  Curaderm Forum- [your subject]

these are difficult decisions, and the MD's just don't know. Hopefully someone can find actual studies. absent that, personal experience would be better than nothing.

Thanks. richard
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2012 :  12:24:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Richard..

You leave a lot of other alternatives out of the options in your question..Why would you limit it to just Curaderm? Clearly form the personal experiences on this Forum Curaderm is hardly the only approach and definitely not considered the "preferred" or "best" alternative approach to treating non melanoma skin cancers over surgery.

I would say from personal experience that some of the alternatives like Bloodroot paste are definitely on par with excision / Mohs surgery...being as I have gone both routes and in both cases had recurrence of tumor in both instances...The fact is, at least IMO, there are no guarantees..The tried and true medical world approach Mohs Surgery is the Gold standard and it is NOT 100% effective. I have tried Curaderm for an extended period of time and from my experience, trust it a lot less than Bloodroot or Petty spurge at eliminating a skin cancer growth.
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2012 :  15:35:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes... the Amazon Topical Black Salve is, IMO, the best of the natural treatments, having tried both Curaderm and the Black Salve. The receipe for making your own black salve is on the internet... the Amazon folks put it out there for everyone. Though ordering it from Equador is both cheap and easy. It apparently keeps well... I just used some I'd had in the fridge for over 2 years... worked fine.

And again... if someone is "prone" to skin cancers... they should also be taking Modified Citrus Pectin regularly - PectaSolC - from Dr. Isaac Eliaz. It's been shown in studies to be as effective as 3 of the common chemo drugs for metastatic cancers like prostate and breast cancer.... it's relatively cheap. Taken daily as a preventative would cost about $30 a month.

Also... anyone that is getting any kind of cancer should take a serious look at what they are eating and putting in, and on, their bodies. 75% of cancer is caused by food and environment. Processed meats alone increase your risk by 63% - even if only eaten in moderation (8 times per month). Many of us eat processed meat DAILY. Throw crap like soda into the mix, and processed foods in general. Leave out fresh fruits and veggies (or leave them in with lots of pesticides on them), and it's no wonder Cancer is the number #2 killer in the US.
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2012 :  16:15:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc,

thanks so much for this report of your experiences. I leave out other treatments only because i don't know them! so...thanks for the info.

I'm a red-head and will be needing alternatives, i fear.

thanks again for your caring enough to post. any advice will be welcomed.

richard
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 01/10/2013 :  00:36:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc,

I would appreciate some help finding sources of the two treatments you mentioned:

"I have tried Curaderm for an extended period of time and from my experience, trust it a lot less than Bloodroot or Petty spurge at eliminating a skin cancer growth." anivoc

please, if you would, email me directly
icf@cds1.net

thanks
Richard
Vetdoc
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  15:38:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anivoc,

Hopefully you are still following this forum... I'm totally new here, but I've used Curaderm in the past for a small BCC above my upper lip, 6 years ago... It looked like a pencil dot... Soon it opened up and "tracked" up to my nostril... I treated 100 days total, then another couple of weeks with Tamanu oil... It healed perfectly...

Now, 6 years later, I "had" a small spot on my right cheek, about the size of a dime way back in OCT... Now in Jan, the so called "cancer" has tracked all over my face, with multiple ulcers... It's naturally a mess, alot of pus(phagocyte) discharge, and so on... After 92 days, certain areas healed somewhat, and now all new ulcers, with means another 90 days...

Since I read another post you had, back in 2009 you said you went to Scottsdale Arizona to see a doctor for THERMOTHERAPY... I'm tired of all this nasty painful treatment...

Who is the doctor, and how can I get a hold of him, and can you recommend me... I have photos which are available, and have been contacted the manufacturer of THERMOTHERAPY, but am still waiting, as they say their equipment is in the trial phase..

The trials on public record, and they used thermotherapy machine on a bunch of VA hospitals, (I'm not a vet unfortunately), so I'm going round and round...

If the dermatologist OWNS the machine, maybe he can help me..

I am desperate....

Thanks
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  18:25:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Tmainstayr,

Still here and unfortunately I have to give a BIG thumbs down to thermotherapy. I too spoke to the "inventor" of the the thermotherapy machine and in speaking with him I was sure I had a winner.. not so much.
He recommended the derm in Scotsdale and I, living in Los Angeles made several calls, e-mails and photos to the derm of my lesions before I made the trip.

It was a really bad experience. The first thing I asked this knucklehead was how will I look after the treatment. This is with him knowing what we were dealing and having seen very clear pictures of the lesions, their size and location. He said oh just light swelling. I informed him that we were having a big birthday party for my wife 3 days after the scheduled treatment..He said I'd be fine by then...Not so much..

I was a mess after the treatment. I looked like I gone 12 rounds in a boxing ring beaten up swelled and bruised.

The second big disappointment.. I preface this again with the fact that the derm was well aware of the size and magnitude of my lesions. As I am sitting in his office already having undergone the painful injections to numb the areas he informs me that these lesions are too big to knock out in one treatment... Why didn't you tell me that before I came all the way out here... "Oh I thought I did"... no

Well I was there so I decided to go ahead and see the results. Holy Mackerel! It was a painful treatment even with the lidocaine numbing... tough night and the next week was miserable ...Absolutetly made no progress on diminishing the lesions.. Great pictures from the birthday party...jerk!

OK enough ...You get it. My advice don't go that route.

You probably have already ascertained I am not a Curaderm fan.

I have had good success with Bloodroot paste (ouch!) and petty spurge but still fighting to find a softer gentler way... I'm currently trying to knock out some big lesions with Vitamin C and DMSO... mixed feelings about it but it seems I'm at least holding them at bay... we'll see....

Wish you the best... It seems science is on the cusp of some new things with Hedgehog inhibitors that may make so all we have to do is take a pill and they'll be gone... Hurry up SCIENCE! The current options are not a ton of fun...

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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  19:09:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Anivoc,

i had requested info on where to buy Petty Spurge and Bloodroot. would appreciate the info.

I am most interested in your experience using them, and wondering why you're continuing to try other therapies.

I too am not thrilled with Curaderm--treatment time is too long, and pretty painful. in addition, the reaction [inflammation] it causes prevents following the progress with biopsy, and delays any surgery until resolved.

however, that said, i stopped Curaderm @ 3 weeks, was Rx'd a weak coriticosteroid to reduce inflammation, re-biopsied after 1 week, and both SCC's were gone, despite the open lesions not having healed. One of them was "invasive", so the threat of metastasis was looming, which is why i started the Curaderm rather than wait for a the surgeon to be available.

Please help me find the Petty Spurge and Bloodroot, and please advise your experience in how to use them.

By the way, i think the Rx Picato is based on petty spurge [Euphorbia]. the Rx co-pay was $759 for a tube to treat a lesion 2X2inches!! Pass....

thanks.


Richard
icf@cds1.net
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  19:15:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anivoc,

Thank you for replying back so quickly.... Geez, an I thought you had good success with this guy in Arizona... I guess your telling me you still have the BCC spots? Am I reading this right??

The machine is supposed to be FDA approved for BCC...

1/2 the side of my face are BCC lesions.... When I started Curaderm, I had normal looking skin, with a couple of tiny red spots..

The 92 day Curaderm treatment spots are pretty small, but I missed a few spots down by my jawline and up by my ear...

I guess I just have to endure more Curaderm treatments and do alot more praying... There has to be a treatment option...

Maybe I'm putting on too much Curaderm cream on the open lesions?... I'm applying a thick layer, instead of thin...

Too much Salycylic acid? Skin can't heal?... And the drainage not only has phagocites(pus) in it, but some Salicylic acid too, maybe its spreading to the lower bandages..

Anyway, if I stop treatments now, things will get infected, as I am missing top layers of skin... How did you stop treatments?
Should I go hospital emergency burn unit...
I'm now becoming terrified...

What did you put on the skin to close up open Curaderm wounds?

I'm more than really scared now...

Hope you can help..
Thanks
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tmainstayr

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  19:19:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vetdoc,

Just seen your post?
Any suggestions for me on how to stop Curaderm, even if I wanted too?
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  22:49:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr

sorry, don't understand the meaning of your posted question to me. please clarify.

vetdoc
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vetdoc

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2013 :  23:05:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tmainstayr,

Sorry...just saw your prior post to Anivoc, and now understand your question.

I cannot offer advice, since i have only my own experience, i.e. N=1.

I simply stopped the Curaderm and consulted my dermatologist, who Rx'd 0.05% desonide cream, a weak corticosteroid to reduce inflammation so that a biopsy and excision would be possible.

The open areas healed quickly and inflammation subsided within 5 days or so.

The subsequent biopsy showed no cancer cells [two separate SCC's], and Dx was scar.

Of course the quintessential problem is metastasis, with local disfigurement on the face a close second. I have no information on the effects of Curaderm on metastatic risk, whether following a full or an interrupted course of treatment. Perhaps another forum member will be able to shed light on this fundamental problem.

Anivoc has stated a strong preference for Bloodroot or Petty Spurge. I am interested in learning how to use these, where to buy them, and people's experiences. I have not received any information so far, and would be grateful for anyone's help in this regard.

Please keep the questions coming as you deal with your difficult problem, and of course please share your experiences for this invaluable exchange of information, not readily available elsewhere.

thanks all.

rj

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