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waverider
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 11:20:30
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Judych, Here's a short version of petty spurge effect on BCC.
Its twofold action against skin cancer cells is pretty ingenious. Almost as though it was specifically designed by nature to do just that. First, PS activates an enzyme called protein kinase that "signals" abnormal (i.e. malignant) cells to kill themselves -- process called apoptosis. Protein kinase actually instructs the cancer cell's own machinery to self-destruct, mainly via initiating rapid internal swelling. Basically, they explode. Their shattered remains are then sloughed off and/or carted away on stretchers by the immune system like any other dead cells in the body. This action happens spontaneously and immediately, on contact. But there is a secondary, longer-term effect, too. Petty spurge incites huge production of neutrophils -- white blood cells of the immune system -- that flood the affected area with a tsunami of tumor-toxic white cells, killing off any residual malignant stragglers over a longer span of time. If you use PS you'll notice oozing of clear fluid, sort of like the stuff that comes out of a blister, and that's what it is. Peplin, the Aus company that had the original patent (now acquired -- unfortunately, perhaps -- by the Dutch pharma giant LEO) did some experiments with mice that were genetically altered so they didn't produce neutrophils. Thus, this secondary action of petty spurge was blocked, though its primary action -- cell suicide -- still worked. These experiments showed that, although the primary action killed the malignancy initially, because the secondary white blood cell response was absent the skin cancer tended to recur. So, this secondary property of PS is very important. All in all, it's a very potent one-two punch against BCC in a single package. Lots more re this at peplin's site: www.peplin.com Go to Products & Technology > Research |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 11:37:51
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Thanksgiving morning, catching up recent posts. OUTSTANDING INFO! Thanks to all! |
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 16:32:20
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quote: Originally posted by judych
i have more questions for you Sofl... You mentioned that petty surge in your experience is better than using many other products...and im thinking of bloodroot paste right now.
Ive used it.. i know that it scarrs a lot. i have scarring on my face that i can do without.. that goes back five years. thats from bcc's being killed off by bloodroot paste.
I want to know a bit more about what happens when the petty spurge kills off the cancer.
AS you know, the bloodroot kills of the cancer cells and then pushes the ischar out of the body... what actually happens to the cancer site with the spurge??... ive not heard anyone mention any ischar or its removal from the site. ...so where does the cancer itself go??......
...Im thinking seriously now of changing over from bloodroot to petty spurge, especially as we have loads of it growing here... and it doesnt sound like it scarrs... Like i said earlier though, im still on the bloodroot capsules...its a great detox.
Im hoping that the two wont clash..but i dont see how they can.
any info gratefully received. thank you for all your inputs here... its been really good. regards judych
quote: Originally posted by judych
hi there SoFl... its great to read your posts... i finally found them and they have been really informative reading.
I currently have five bccs that ive dosed once with topical bloodroot on my upper chest. Do you think it would help for me to dose them now with petty surge?? we have copious amounts of it growing here in our garden..we had a gem without realizing it..lol..
Ive already used petty surge on my ear, there is a scaly patch there with slightly swollen tissue around it. ive used the sap about three times in two days. No pain, a little discolouration happening there now as i look at it.
What concerns me now really is the area around my bathers top line.. this is where the sun damage has hit me the greatest..and there are bccs through now as i said. Im currently taking internally bloodroot capsules to clean my system out. I think this is what started the reaction on my chest.
Would it be a good move to put some petty spurge on the bccs that are now showing an inflamed ring around the outside, a white ring and then a black pinhead centre??..one bcc that i have has a large amount of cancer tissue..dead because its white...in one cavity but it wont come out......will petty surge help this one do you think?? I dont know if we are able to put petty surge into a cavity that has formed with cancer inside.
Nothing seems to be straightforward at this point in time for me. I appreciate so much the information that you have shared here...its invaluable, more than you will know......judych
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The best way I can reply is this. The Petty Spurge has cured everything I have used it on. The cosmetic result has ranged from no visible scar whatsoever (after a few months) to a slight lightening in color area to a slight darkening in color area. Overall, being a man and not overly concerned about perfect skin, I would be happy with the PS even if I was getting a much worse cosmetic result.
In all cases, the cosmetic result was better than any of the professional treatments I have received from surgery or efudex or aldera. There isn't even any comparison. I have come to use the "tincture" I described above once a day usually after a shower in the healing process, and in addition to knocking out any stragglers, I think it also gives a better end cosmetic result. It may retard the healing time a little bit, but I have used this method in a spot on my face, arm and chest where there is absolutely no visible evidence even from six inches away that anything was ever there at all, whereas before treatment it was fairly prominent. I don't think I can realistically expect anything better than that.
The next thing is...someone said they have it growing in their garden...PS is not native to the US. It does grow here in places but Petty Spurge (Euphorbia Peplus) is a unique plant among a genus of plants belonging to the family Euphorbiaceae which consist of about 2160 species. So the first thing is make sure you are really using Euphorbia Peplus. I am not an expert on how to differentiate it from other similar plants. I bought my starter seeds as confirmed PS seeds. I have read other posts in here where some people seem to think that any plant that has white sap is somehow a substitute. This is not in any way true. PS has a unique chemical and it is a unique plant. There are no substitutes.
So regarding bloodroot or any other treatment, I have no need for that now because PS does the job just fine. The post just above this gives a good description of it's potent two fold 1 2 punch which has been confirmed by scientists in the lab.
Unfortunately, it looks like the patent for the PS based treatment has been shelved. My thinking is that it would offer too much competition to currently patented treatments already on the market so peplin was acquired by someone with an interest in one of those patents and the PS patent shelved until who knows when.
So I guess I'd say if it were me, I'd do what I have done which is to go about tackling them one by one. PS only, nothing else required or desired.
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 16:45:38
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quote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems. |
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 18:33:05
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thanks for the info....im learning fast. Now, these bccs Ive got have appeared as inflamed areas on outside,white ring in middle and dark area in centre. this happened with bloodroot. Now, can i just use the petty spurge on thse bccs as they are?? the fact that Ive started this off with bloodroot means im a bit unsure about changing midstream. One lesion is open, the white mass in it refuses to come out,its also very inflamed on the outside. Ive started putting petty spurge (which ive ground with morter and pessle) ..stems, leaves and all, witha little water...) onto these lesion, and started on the others as well. What i want to know is this?? will the ischars come out of my body, as they do with bloodroot.. or whill the petty spurge change the way the cancer is dealt with?? i guess thats what i need to know right now. I want to know waht Im seeing. thank you all for the info. This is an excellant site. WE have heaps of petty spurge growing, and its the real thing...so this treatment is goign to be the one i use from now on......judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider
Judych, Here's a short version of petty spurge effect on BCC.
Its twofold action against skin cancer cells is pretty ingenious. Almost as though it was specifically designed by nature to do just that. First, PS activates an enzyme called protein kinase that "signals" abnormal (i.e. malignant) cells to kill themselves -- process called apoptosis. Protein kinase actually instructs the cancer cell's own machinery to self-destruct, mainly via initiating rapid internal swelling. Basically, they explode. Their shattered remains are then sloughed off and/or carted away on stretchers by the immune system like any other dead cells in the body. This action happens spontaneously and immediately, on contact. But there is a secondary, longer-term effect, too. Petty spurge incites huge production of neutrophils -- white blood cells of the immune system -- that flood the affected area with a tsunami of tumor-toxic white cells, killing off any residual malignant stragglers over a longer span of time. If you use PS you'll notice oozing of clear fluid, sort of like the stuff that comes out of a blister, and that's what it is. Peplin, the Aus company that had the original patent (now acquired -- unfortunately, perhaps -- by the Dutch pharma giant LEO) did some experiments with mice that were genetically altered so they didn't produce neutrophils. Thus, this secondary action of petty spurge was blocked, though its primary action -- cell suicide -- still worked. These experiments showed that, although the primary action killed the malignancy initially, because the secondary white blood cell response was absent the skin cancer tended to recur. So, this secondary property of PS is very important. All in all, it's a very potent one-two punch against BCC in a single package. Lots more re this at peplin's site: www.peplin.com Go to Products & Technology > Research
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opalxx
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 19:13:19
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Ok, this is not a sales pitch as the product should be avail in your country. We are an registered Australian based biz making and supplying Australian grown neem products to health food shops in Hong Kong. Personally we find that for those stinging little sun cancers, warts and moles and most skin probs either a Neem leaf tincture or a Neem seed oil extract will have a 100% success rate and they will not return. Neem of course has been around for 5000 years or so and its medical uses are well documented.
As previously posted i have a large bcc on the cheek near the ear on the jawbone which is approx 3 yrs old or more. I have tried many things (including PS and including Neem extracts) with limited or zero success.
To be fair, I have young PS plants growing and waiting until they increase in size so i can add more sap more frequently to see if it works.
Talking to a friend who specialises in growing herbs he told me about a friend who had a very large bcc on his scalp. He tried it all including PS without any success. He finally hit the jackpot and cleared this large growth completely using the sap from Euphorbia Tirucalli. Looking on the internet it is dangerous and has caused deaths from ingesting and the sap can be very painful if dropped on the skin.
Just wondered if anyone had or heard of any experiences from this plant. |
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annieh
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 21:05:40
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opalxx mentioned a different kind of Euphorbia, cited anecdotally by a friend.
There are HEAPS of plants called "Euphorbia this" and "Euphorbia that" and "Euphorbia the next thing" ... Please, Let's not create confusion on these forums: petty spurge is, as I understand it from these forums,
Euphorbia Peplus (NB Peplus with a "U")
PEPLIN -- the Australian company that investigated a skin cancer remedy derived from Euphorbia Peplus, describes Euphorbia Peplus at: http://www.peplin.com/ Their website says: quote: "PEP005 (ingenol mebutate), or PEP005, ... is a novel compound derived from Euphorbia peplus, or E. peplus, a rapidly growing, readily-available plant, commonly referred to as petty spurge or radium weed."
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2010 : 07:34:30
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hi there SoFl Just reading your posts about you cutting off the leaf at its junction with the stem on the petty spurge... also about you mashing it up with a little distilled water and keeping it. Have you tried, or do you know if its safe to do the same with the stem of the plant?? Mash the lot up?? as we have them growing in our garden the quantity isnt a problem here for us. Is it possible that the stem isnt good to mash up as well??....all advice greatly appreciated. regards judych
quote: Originally posted by SoFl
I have some updated information based on my continuing research.
- I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect.
- I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments.
- I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see.
- I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now.
-summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it.
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judych
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 09:00:28
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thanks for this waverider.. it makes more sense now. Ive started to apply spurge to the lesions that have erupted after taking bloodroot capsules and after applying initially the bloodroot paste. Between the two there shouldnt be a problem when they all heal up. Hopefully anyway.. Im still reading and learning...... i just dont want any more scarring than i already have. regards judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider
Judych, Here's a short version of petty spurge effect on BCC.
Its twofold action against skin cancer cells is pretty ingenious. Almost as though it was specifically designed by nature to do just that. First, PS activates an enzyme called protein kinase that "signals" abnormal (i.e. malignant) cells to kill themselves -- process called apoptosis. Protein kinase actually instructs the cancer cell's own machinery to self-destruct, mainly via initiating rapid internal swelling. Basically, they explode. Their shattered remains are then sloughed off and/or carted away on stretchers by the immune system like any other dead cells in the body. This action happens spontaneously and immediately, on contact. But there is a secondary, longer-term effect, too. Petty spurge incites huge production of neutrophils -- white blood cells of the immune system -- that flood the affected area with a tsunami of tumor-toxic white cells, killing off any residual malignant stragglers over a longer span of time. If you use PS you'll notice oozing of clear fluid, sort of like the stuff that comes out of a blister, and that's what it is. Peplin, the Aus company that had the original patent (now acquired -- unfortunately, perhaps -- by the Dutch pharma giant LEO) did some experiments with mice that were genetically altered so they didn't produce neutrophils. Thus, this secondary action of petty spurge was blocked, though its primary action -- cell suicide -- still worked. These experiments showed that, although the primary action killed the malignancy initially, because the secondary white blood cell response was absent the skin cancer tended to recur. So, this secondary property of PS is very important. All in all, it's a very potent one-two punch against BCC in a single package. Lots more re this at peplin's site: www.peplin.com Go to Products & Technology > Research
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2010 : 10:49:54
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Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here. |
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judych
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 18:06:07
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hi there waverider..good to hear from you. thanks for describing the way the petty spurge works. Because Ive only been used to using bloodroot, which pushes the ischar out, i was a bit confused by what i was reading. Now i understand ( I think..lol) that they work differently to each other as to how the body disposes of the cancer. Yes, i guess i have added a new element to this whole issue. The fact that Ive been bloodroot tumorX ,and then put bloodroot paste on the lesions that appeared, before using spurge, have added a new element here. O.k... here is an update. I hope it helps somewhat. For starters, the bloodroot tumorX is hard to cope with at first, it can make you feel realy nauseaus plus the detoxing itself. Ive been on these tabs about a month now. Initially it was to help bring out anything that i had on my face. Ive got a deep scar that the drs were worried about and i had a small biopsy on that area. It came up clean. Praise God for that. At this time iwas in the early stages of taking tumorX. About a week after i saw the specialist,who had checked my upper breasts with her light when i asked,and could only see inflammation, about four lesions appeared on my chest, around what i call my bra line. Also an area of lots of sun burning over the years.These areas were very painful, very red and swollen, white ring and then the black centre as it always does when cancer is present. One lesion in particular was a real worry. the cancer, which i could see in the hole, seemed to be joined off to the ride, hidden by healthy flesh. This was what really did concern me, i thought that there was way more under there, perhaps clusters??... The other three lesions werent as developed. So this big lesion was getting scabs on it, which I cleaned and kept soft, waiting for it to separate..its taken over a week for the scab to lift off, with ischar under it, but not as big as i knew it needed to be. I could still see white areas in the hole. So, i cleaned it with peroxide, waited a day for i to settle a bit then applied a drop of purge sap to the hole. At the same time i applied sap to the other three lesions which hadnt opened up yet and no sign of ischar separating in them. But, i apllied sap to all of them as i said. Ive also put a bruised leaf under a bandaid to help it along. To complicate things ive got a reaction to bandaids. Now i have a 'sort of rash', but not a big one. Its very itchy just around the area where the bandaid was. Im watching that.. can see about four little blisters coming through so Im wondering...is this more cancer now?? more than just a rash? so Im going to treat this as cancer. meantime, on the lesions, the whole area has started to change in appearance. The lesions have flattened out, the raised inflamed areas around the outside have dimmed a bit. Generally they have slight scabs on them which im goign to lift with peroxide later on. they look a lot drier than before. The biggest lesion did weep some last night under the purge leaf and band aid, and after reading here i thought that was cancer being disposed of. The others are dry at this time. I have to moisten them later. Im still on tumorX...feeling pretty good on it in fact. MOst of the detox seems to be done, at the first i felt so sore in my joints that i could hardly walk...plus some nausea. So, I have to be very careful now about the load on my kidneys i think..remember to drink more water through the day. I dont have good skin..Ive already treated at least five small bccs on my face and got scarring as a result. This is what was upsettng me. when i looked at mychest area and could see that there must be more underlying areas that were stll to be treated, i had visions of more pain with bloodroot application, more scarring etc etc.. plus waiting ..sometimes weeks, for the ischar to come out completely. ..and i couldnt see any end to it really. Bloodroot does a great job...but its best used when there is only one lesion at a time. I had four come out at once...it was too much . I was miserable, it did hurt and my clothing made things worse, no matter what i did. In the big lesion the pain went through my breast to my back, very hard to put any pressure on at all, including clothing. Thats the one thats very itchy now where there are some small blister like things coming through. Im goign to treat them with spurge now..i dont want to wait until the others have cleared up. WE are going into summer here. I was talking with hubbie this morning bout the spurge in the garden and he says that i does die off here in summer, or at least some of it does. I need to keep pressing in with treatment now while i have a ready supply. One thing though.....while i was being seen to by the specialist, she gave me the all clear on my face where id previously treated bccs with bloodroot. She was able to check right through the skin layers. I did see a pic of the scar on my cheek,through all the dermal layers , she said it looks exactly like cancer under the skin, so i got a good idea of what the cancers look like. ..I did ask her to check out my upper chest as there were some itchy patches there. She used the same implement on the chest area, said it looked like some inflammation was going on but was totally confused as to what it was. She didnt seem toworry one little bit. AS i said, it was these areas that erupted a week later, and there my story really starts. ...I cant help wondering about the specialist though. she knew i was using bloodroot, knew nothing about it, yet wasnt going to continue with any more exploration of the chest area where she saw inflammation....so waht gives there?? Did she really care at that point?? or was she just going to send me home and wait for me to go back to her with big problems? not that i wanted her to do anything, it just wasnt discussed at all. But Im wondering. AS i type here my right breast, on the top side is very itchy. Once again, Im no sure if its due to bandaids or not. Does anyone have a remedy for this please?? i will have to use bandaids sometimes on this area. I may just put some sap on the sores today after softening scabs and removing them. Not use the leaves, and have a 'lay day' as far as treatment goes. my left breast isnt sore anymore, i have to say that. No throbbing like there was before with the bloodroot... and I think i understand a bit more now as to why its different to spurge treatment. Otherwise i would be panicking that i had stopped any progress that i was making. Im goign to take bloodroot for another two to three weeks.. I hope to take them at least twice a year now. I will let you know tomorrow if there is any more improvement with the lesions. They definatley are changing in appearance. I do hope that this is a good thing. judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Lily44
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Posted - 11/27/2010 : 01:26:36
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quote: Originally posted by opalxx
Ok, this is not a sales pitch as the product should be avail in your country. We are an registered Australian based biz making and supplying Australian grown neem products to health food shops in Hong Kong. Personally we find that for those stinging little sun cancers, warts and moles and most skin probs either a Neem leaf tincture or a Neem seed oil extract will have a 100% success rate and they will not return. Neem of course has been around for 5000 years or so and its medical uses are well documented.
As previously posted i have a large bcc on the cheek near the ear on the jawbone which is approx 3 yrs old or more. I have tried many things (including PS and including Neem extracts) with limited or zero success.
To be fair, I have young PS plants growing and waiting until they increase in size so i can add more sap more frequently to see if it works.
Talking to a friend who specialises in growing herbs he told me about a friend who had a very large bcc on his scalp. He tried it all including PS without any success. He finally hit the jackpot and cleared this large growth completely using the sap from Euphorbia Tirucalli. Looking on the internet it is dangerous and has caused deaths from ingesting and the sap can be very painful if dropped on the skin.
Just wondered if anyone had or heard of any experiences from this plant.
I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles? I started to buy some neem seed oil, but the reviews said it stunk so bad, that I figured I probably wouldn't use it. I was thinking of using it on some AK's that keep reoccurring. I know this is a petty spurge thread, but I don't have any. I'm a little afraid to try and grow it, because I have 4 cats, and 1 dog, and I'm afraid they might get into it. |
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judych
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Posted - 11/27/2010 : 02:52:37
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hi there lily44....i dont think you would have any problems with your animals getting into petty spurge. We have always had it growing here, without realizing its potential nor its dangers...always had it.. and we have always had free roaming cats and dogs.. dont let this put you off.....if you can grow it, i would just do it... your pets will be safe. judychquote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by opalxx
Ok, this is not a sales pitch as the product should be avail in your country. We are an registered Australian based biz making and supplying Australian grown neem products to health food shops in Hong Kong. Personally we find that for those stinging little sun cancers, warts and moles and most skin probs either a Neem leaf tincture or a Neem seed oil extract will have a 100% success rate and they will not return. Neem of course has been around for 5000 years or so and its medical uses are well documented.
As previously posted i have a large bcc on the cheek near the ear on the jawbone which is approx 3 yrs old or more. I have tried many things (including PS and including Neem extracts) with limited or zero success.
To be fair, I have young PS plants growing and waiting until they increase in size so i can add more sap more frequently to see if it works.
Talking to a friend who specialises in growing herbs he told me about a friend who had a very large bcc on his scalp. He tried it all including PS without any success. He finally hit the jackpot and cleared this large growth completely using the sap from Euphorbia Tirucalli. Looking on the internet it is dangerous and has caused deaths from ingesting and the sap can be very painful if dropped on the skin.
Just wondered if anyone had or heard of any experiences from this plant.
I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles? I started to buy some neem seed oil, but the reviews said it stunk so bad, that I figured I probably wouldn't use it. I was thinking of using it on some AK's that keep reoccurring. I know this is a petty spurge thread, but I don't have any. I'm a little afraid to try and grow it, because I have 4 cats, and 1 dog, and I'm afraid they might get into it.
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samdi230
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Posted - 11/27/2010 : 10:24:53
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hi Brigid I fell sorry you have skin cancer like so many. and I'm uesed to be one of them have ever heard any one say this treatment is a cure for skin cancer I bet you not. but the answer is so sample. you have PC you can read print H2o2 and read how to use H2o2 safely put some of %3 in small Gare and by a cotton swap souk the skin cancer 7 to 10 time a day in a weeks you will be cure have a good life. this reply for every one have a skin cancer |
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samdi230
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Posted - 11/27/2010 : 10:38:22
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hi Brigid I forgot make sure H2o2 a %35 food Grad FG . good Luke spread the world |
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Lily44
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2010 : 20:00:14
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Does any one here in the USA have this kind of PETTY SPURGE seeds for sale, or do I have to order them from Australia? Does PETTY SPURGE work on moles? I have a thing on my back, about 3 inches from the base of my neck, that I've been calling a mole. I'm not sure, because, I can't see it without a mirror. I've been afraid to mess with it, but I'm wondering if these problems on my face are coming from it. I noticed a raised pearly pink lump on my face about 4 years ago. When I started trying to get rid of it, many more pimple things popped out, kind of in a row, and along my jaw line, (same side as the mole on my back). I've used many homemade concoctions, plus other herbs, and oils, etc. I managed to get rid of the Pearly lump on my face, (not sure, because I could always see the outline of it), and a warty black thing under my breast, with a homemade mixture of several herbs, plus soda and duct tape. I treated the pimply things, which changed to slightly raised light tan things, for the most part, with a homemade mix of raspberry seeds, and thin, dried, dark purple eggplant peelings, soaked in olive oil. I strained and used the oil. I let these soak for months at a time. The spots would continue to peel, until I could barely see them, but never completely go away. They never looked really bad, and were not noticeable to anyone but me. Unless you get caught with tape all over your face by the mail lady, who looks at you funny, but never ask questions. I thought I had everything under control. Nobody could see these spots but me, and only with a magnified, 3 way make-up mirror, and thick glasses. I started hurting under my right ribs, especially when sitting at this PC for hours. I was also having bad indigestion, especially at night. I decided to do a parasite cleanse, with many herbs, plus neem leaf, and milk thistle. Well, I'm not hurting under my right rib any more, and I very seldom have indigestion. I'm still taking the parasite cleanse, milk thistle, and neem leaf, along with my usual lot of about 30 supplements daily. The problem is my face has gone wild. I think the internal cleanse has made stuff pop out again. I tried my raspberry seed, eggplant olive oil mix, which caused only a slight peeling in several places, including the original pearly pink thing on my face. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I started using APRICOT SEED OIL on my face and neck. Maybe it has some of the good cancer fighting stuff left in it. I'm trying some new stuff, which seems to be working better than my raspberry seed, eggplant, olive oil mix. It's really too early to tell. I guess if PETTY SPURGE works, I need to try and get some seeds. Thanks for reading my post. Any comments would be appreciated. |
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opalxx
11 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2010 : 14:45:36
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quote: I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles?
As far as i know they are the little pre-cancerous flakey bits of skin (keratoses) that sometimes sting like hell when touched.
Unfortunately i have no idea of the quality of the neem in your capsules so cannot answer if it would work. Personally i do not stick anything down my throat unless i am 110% sure it is safe and contains no garbage. We have neem trees growing on our property and i take a neem leaf from these every so often and eat them. Very bitter but like most bitter foods extremely good for you. Our neem leaf tincture is extracted into ethanol but you could try making a strong tea out of your capsules and apply to warts and moles. Seems like an expensive way of doing things though. I know there used to be an organic neem plantation based in Florida so perhaps you could check that out.
Regarding Petty Spurge i have only purchased plants recently and am waiting for them to grow big enough and also re-seed so i can take a whole plant out and mash it up to get a decent amount of paste to apply to my bcc and check the results, although i may not need too due to the following.
I think i have made a BIG discovery and hence great progress on getting rid of my bcc. By trying other plants in the same genus as Petty Spurge i found one that seems to have had a dramatic effect on my bcc. It is larger and hence enough sap is extracted from one leaf stem to cover a large area. I applied the sap from (don't know the common or the botanical name) to my bcc. I just let it dribble out over my finger and applied it at about 3pm. I awoke early hours of the morning feeling a wet patch to the area and when i checked the bcc had completely scabbed over. The wet area was where i had rubbed the area on the pillow dislodging some of the scab which caused it to bleed. It had never bled before except when i nicked it while shaving. The scab was black and now three days later it has turned to a sickly yellow so i am waiting patiently to see what is going to happen over the next few days or until the now crusty bits fall off. As i am testing this out i am not adding any other doses until i see what is going on with a single application. No pain or discomfort at all except a little tight where the area has dried.
I also have a small squamous cell on my shoulder and i am now experimenting by adding a few drops of this sap into a natural skin cream that we make which is manuka honey based. It will be interesting to see the results (if any) and how much sap needs to be added to the cream before any results are noted. I applied the first dab a day ago and will wait a couple of days for any changes to appear. If none is apparent i will increase the strength of the mix. Will keep you informed. |
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Lily44
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 02:50:24
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quote: Originally posted by opalxx
quote: I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles?
As far as i know they are the little pre-cancerous flakey bits of skin (keratoses) that sometimes sting like hell when touched.
Unfortunately i have no idea of the quality of the neem in your capsules so cannot answer if it would work. Personally i do not stick anything down my throat unless i am 110% sure it is safe and contains no garbage. We have neem trees growing on our property and i take a neem leaf from these every so often and eat them. Very bitter but like most bitter foods extremely good for you. Our neem leaf tincture is extracted into ethanol but you could try making a strong tea out of your capsules and apply to warts and moles. Seems like an expensive way of doing things though. I know there used to be an organic neem plantation based in Florida so perhaps you could check that out.
Regarding Petty Spurge i have only purchased plants recently and am waiting for them to grow big enough and also re-seed so i can take a whole plant out and mash it up to get a decent amount of paste to apply to my bcc and check the results, although i may not need too due to the following.
I think i have made a BIG discovery and hence great progress on getting rid of my bcc. By trying other plants in the same genus as Petty Spurge i found one that seems to have had a dramatic effect on my bcc. It is larger and hence enough sap is extracted from one leaf stem to cover a large area. I applied the sap from (don't know the common or the botanical name) to my bcc. I just let it dribble out over my finger and applied it at about 3pm. I awoke early hours of the morning feeling a wet patch to the area and when i checked the bcc had completely scabbed over. The wet area was where i had rubbed the area on the pillow dislodging some of the scab which caused it to bleed. It had never bled before except when i nicked it while shaving. The scab was black and now three days later it has turned to a sickly yellow so i am waiting patiently to see what is going to happen over the next few days or until the now crusty bits fall off. As i am testing this out i am not adding any other doses until i see what is going on with a single application. No pain or discomfort at all except a little tight where the area has dried.
I also have a small squamous cell on my shoulder and i am now experimenting by adding a few drops of this sap into a natural skin cream that we make which is manuka honey based. It will be interesting to see the results (if any) and how much sap needs to be added to the cream before any results are noted. I applied the first dab a day ago and will wait a couple of days for any changes to appear. If none is apparent i will increase the strength of the mix. Will keep you informed.
Thanks, I've got my own experiment going on also. The pearly pink bump I discovered 4 years ago, peeled off almost flat, with a mix of herbs, soda, and tape. Then I used my RASPBERRY SEED, EGGPLANT, OLIVE OIL MIX on it, and on rough, flakey raised spots. I quit using it after they stopped peeling. The spots are flat, but the outline is still visible under the skin. They seemed to show up more after taking the parasite cleanse, milk thistle, and neem. That's when I applied the RASPBERRY MIX again. The main one peeled (like a mild sunburn). Some of the other little spots peeled a little. Then more red pimply things appeared close by the main one. I'm always reading about diseases, and health. I'm not interested in medical drugs, only natural cures, from weeds, trees, herbs, etc. I was reading about a new prostate cure, (from a plant). They said it might be good for other cancers as well. It's been used for centuries in China, for other medical conditions. The variety I have in my yard, contains the same 2 main things as the Chinese variety. The articles I read said it was "non toxic".
I threw some leaves and stems in a blender with a little water, strained it, and applied it to my arm. I did this several times during the day, with no reaction. (The mix was too watery. I set the bowl in the sun to dry it up some, so it would be more potent.) I finally got up the nerve to put a little on my face. I did this for a couple of days, several times during the day. It kept drying up too fast. It didn't burn or sting, but the area turned pink, especially the cancerous spots, which had peeled a from the RASPBERRY MIX. The NEW GREEN MIX was pretty strong by now. I wet down a bandage with it, and taped it to the main cancerous spot. I could feel it, but it didn't hurt, just sort of burned a little. I checked it several times during the day. It was getting redder. I kept applying more of the NEW GREEN MIX, to keep it wet. It was definitely having a reaction. That night I took the bandage off, and had a big, red scabby spot, but only on the cancer, not the good skin. After a day or two, I peeled the scab off. It looked good, but was still red. I applied another bandage with the mix and kept it wet, but every time I looked at it, it looked better. It wasn't getting red or scabby. It seemed to be healing up with the wet bandage on it. That's only been a couple of days ago. It's still a little pink, but I believe it looks better than it has in 4 years. Today I'm trying it on the other pimply, rough places. Only time will tell, but I'm still going to order some PETTY SPURGE seeds. Needless to say, I'm not a medical doctor, and I'm not qualified to give anyone any medical advice. I would never suggest that anyone try this. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 09:28:46
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Hi Lilly,
What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up? |
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Lily44
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 14:59:21
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quote: Originally posted by anivoc
Hi Lilly,
What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?
I've just started trying it, and I'm not sure of the results, so I wouldn't want to post that information yet. E-mail me privately with the subject line "cancer forum" and I will give you a link to some information on it.
I've recently started posting on this site, and I wouldn't want anyone to try something I might suggest, for fear they might have a negative result.
If DAN, the owner of this site, would please e-mail me, I would be happy to give him the name of the plant. He could check out the research being done on it for cancer, then he could decide if it's worth posting. Thanks
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opalxx
11 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 19:10:22
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quote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by anivoc
Hi Lilly,
What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?
I've just started trying it, and I'm not sure of the results, so I wouldn't want to post that information yet. E-mail me privately with the subject line "cancer forum" and I will give you a link to some information on it.
I've recently started posting on this site, and I wouldn't want anyone to try something I might suggest, for fear they might have a negative result.
If DAN, the owner of this site, would please e-mail me, I would be happy to give him the name of the plant. He could check out the research being done on it for cancer, then he could decide if it's worth posting. Thanks
I spent a coupla hours yesterday trying to identify the euphorbia that seems to be chomping away at my bcc, but as there are over 2000 in the genus it is taking awhile and i haven't hit it yet. I think the thing we have to be careful of is that all euphorbia sap is very toxic and we must be very careful when experimenting, and must not ingest it or accidentaly rub it into our eyes. There have been deaths from ingesting euphorbia sap so make sure that you wash up well.
As i mentioned previously i was told of a person obtaining great success using the sap from euphorbia tirucalli (commonly known as the malabar or pencil tree) on a very large bcc, but it is extremely toxic and will cause great pain for days if accidently dripped on to the skin, and also temporary blindness for a few days if rubbed into the eyes. If you try to shower it off even the diluted sap will cause pain from the parts of the body it touches. I have not used this yet and the sap from the euphorbia i am experimenting with seems mild as it hasn't caused any discomfort which is just as well as i tend to be a slackass and have got the stuff all over my hands when draining from the plant. I have now invested in some plastic gloves!!!!
So, my bcc is now itchy and it looks like one hell of a mess, sort of like a red bloody squishy mash potato mix. I am contemplating putting some t-tree oil on it to dry it up. |
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 19:56:49
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my bccs are mushy right now as well. Ive had band aids on them as they are very touchy and very itchy...so im going to try and go without bandaids for a day. Its not easy...its right where my clothes rub.
quote: Originally posted by opalxx
quote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by anivoc
Hi Lilly,
What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?
I've just started trying it, and I'm not sure of the results, so I wouldn't want to post that information yet. E-mail me privately with the subject line "cancer forum" and I will give you a link to some information on it.
I've recently started posting on this site, and I wouldn't want anyone to try something I might suggest, for fear they might have a negative result.
If DAN, the owner of this site, would please e-mail me, I would be happy to give him the name of the plant. He could check out the research being done on it for cancer, then he could decide if it's worth posting. Thanks
I spent a coupla hours yesterday trying to identify the euphorbia that seems to be chomping away at my bcc, but as there are over 2000 in the genus it is taking awhile and i haven't hit it yet. I think the thing we have to be careful of is that all euphorbia sap is very toxic and we must be very careful when experimenting, and must not ingest it or accidentaly rub it into our eyes. There have been deaths from ingesting euphorbia sap so make sure that you wash up well.
As i mentioned previously i was told of a person obtaining great success using the sap from euphorbia tirucalli (commonly known as the malabar or pencil tree) on a very large bcc, but it is extremely toxic and will cause great pain for days if accidently dripped on to the skin, and also temporary blindness for a few days if rubbed into the eyes. If you try to shower it off even the diluted sap will cause pain from the parts of the body it touches. I have not used this yet and the sap from the euphorbia i am experimenting with seems mild as it hasn't caused any discomfort which is just as well as i tend to be a slackass and have got the stuff all over my hands when draining from the plant. I have now invested in some plastic gloves!!!!
So, my bcc is now itchy and it looks like one hell of a mess, sort of like a red bloody squishy mash potato mix. I am contemplating putting some t-tree oil on it to dry it up.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 03:14:15
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hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 23:45:03
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Hi Judych,
Could you say what the five very small cancers that have come through look like? Are they small white bumps? Others, myself included, have noticed those— in my case toward the end of the 3 weeks I treated. I'm not sure whether they're cancer or not. Also, could you say what the zinc cream does and whether there are fragrance chemicals and/or preservatives in it? Thank you!
Good luck with the treatment (and enjoy the break from it.)
Originally posted by judych
hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider[/i]
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2010 : 21:50:26
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Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
Big patch of swollen red from nostril to above lip 10 hours after applying the PS sap. 1" wide just above lip. I'm considering running for Miss Spurgiverse. Tumor eruptions less reactive. Last time they took a few days to light up.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 00:55:40
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hi there Brigid.. sorry for the delay, ive been away. O.k...well, my situation was a little different because i took bloodroot internally, and that caused the cancers to erupt. Bloodroot pushes the cancers into a white mass thats easily seen in whats basically very much like an ulcer. Lots of inflammation around the outside. These white areas, that i knew were cancers, didnt want to come out completely and i had a lot of bother and days and days of trying to keep them moist all the time so they would eventually come out. In the end, because there were so many of them and they were so painful, i used petty spurge to get rid of them. They dissolved but its taken them weeks to do this.
One thing. I took the bloodroot because i wasnt sure just how deep the cancer cells were in my breasts, and wasnt all that confident that the petty spurge would be able to draw it all out. After all, i had no eruptions on the surface to starte with at all. Just itchy in the breast tissue. The bloodroot capsules worked deep in side the tissue bringing it to the surface so i could put the petty spurge onto it. The whole thing was a painful episode, because all at once five cancers came through, and i had to deal with them all at once. They are well on the way to healing over now...im just using agrimony on them now twice a day to help with the healing and drying up. the zinc cream was just a cream taht i had here. Its natural and seems to work really well with most skin eruptions. I believe that zinc is a great healer for the skin. ive jsut looked at the label on the zinc. Its got zinc oxide, peanut oil, castor oil, cetostearyl alcohol and beeswax white. not sure waht the cetostearyl is....perhaps you could do a search on it?? judych
quote: Originally posted by Brigid
Hi Judych,
Could you say what the five very small cancers that have come through look like? Are they small white bumps? Others, myself included, have noticed those— in my case toward the end of the 3 weeks I treated. I'm not sure whether they're cancer or not. Also, could you say what the zinc cream does and whether there are fragrance chemicals and/or preservatives in it? Thank you!
Good luck with the treatment (and enjoy the break from it.)
Originally posted by judych
hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
quote: Originally posted by waverider[/i]
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Lily44
38 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 02:07:50
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quote: Originally posted by Brigid
Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
My 95 year old mother, who has a history of skin cancer, used coconut oil on her face for about 4 months. Her face at times looked blistered. I believe she was getting rid of AK's, she just thought she was allergenic to it. She's still dealing with a cancer, that was about the size of a dime, now it's about half that size. She looks like she's had a face peel. The people at church call her "pretty woman". She practically has no wrinkles. She won't use coconut oil anymore, she uses olive oil on her face.
She's using HER OWN concoction on her skin cancer. It's a mixture of zinc baby diaper rash cream, white willow bark, vitamin D-3, vitamin B-12, and some EGGPLANT EXTRACT capsules from Swanson's. She wanted CURADERM, but didn't want to pay over $100 for it.
I've been dealing with skin cancer for about 4 years. I thought I was managing it. I decided to try the new APRICOT KERNEL oil I had bought. Most people on iherb.com gave it good reviews.
Well, I broke out in what looks like pimples, but only on the side where I had cancer on my face, plus a few pimples behind both ears and a few on my neck. I believe it is diagnosing cancer. I have the TKO ORANGE OIL, but it has no reaction on these places. This past week I have used many things on that side of my face. I'm determined to wipe this stuff out. I've tried so many things, that if something works, I won't know what did work. The right side of my face looks like a burn victim, with a bad case of acne, and one bad crusted over spot.
I've got to try and let my face heal for a few days, enough that maybe I can cover it with bandaids, and make-up. I've got to make a quick trip to WAL-MART'S, and pick up some necessities. Needless to say I'll probably go about midnight, to try and avoid everybody. Good luck to you, and I hope we all find the answers we need to solve this awful problem of skin cancer. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 12:15:14
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Aloe softened scabs from Petty Spurge
Aloe's a burn remedy, so I bought a big aloe vera branch from supermarket. Cut of the rind and applied strips of the gel to above lip and around nostrils. I got total and immediate relief from burning. Found it stuck to my face. After 20 minutes I took off the aloe and saw that the hard scabs and skin underneath had softened, bubbled and turned white in some areas. It still felt great. I poulticed it (taped it on) and went to bed. I woke up an hour and a half later with burning, took the tape off, and saw that the areas were dry and red again. (For the record, the burning has kept me up on and off the last two nights, so it wasn't the aloe that woke me.) From now on, I"m going to apply aloe first for 20 - 30 minutes to soften the scabs before applying the spurge. I agree with everyone who's posted about scabs that success rests in getting the PS sap through them.
I'm treating a sensitive area of the face near lip and nostrils. I've found that the first few days are just minor stinging but by day 4 or 5, it becomes burning and then on subsequent days there can be occasional deeper pain. What I've found helpful for pain is:
* homeopathic bellaonna * aloe * ice * olive oil * eating ginger (the last 3 are anti-inflammatory.) * being outside in the cold! The weather has obliged this week, with temps in the 20s here.
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opalxx
11 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 17:31:35
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Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested.
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judych
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Posted - 12/13/2010 : 19:29:34
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well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest. The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs .. I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along.. any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that. Does anyone have any suggestions here?? im a bit confused at the moment. Im confident that the bccs will all be dealt with, i jsut want the most comfy way of doing it..... Should i try petty spurge again??.. the area that was red and itchy, that im talking about, has lost its scabs now, still red though and dry flaking skin around the outside. the scarring on the other healed bccs is considerable, but i take it that the bloodroot did that... Im hoping that these will go in time. |
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Lily44
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Posted - 12/14/2010 : 01:16:47
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[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest. The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs .. I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along.. any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that. [quote]
I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out? I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer. |
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Lily44
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Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:17:16
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quote: Originally posted by opalxx
Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested. (quote)
I'm glad you're having good results, I may take you up on your offer, for the cream. We need all the help we can get. In answer to the question you asked me.
You have your NEEM trees, we have our MAGNOLIA trees, the state flower of the great state I live in, LOUISIANA.
(My quote from Nov 29, 2010 post) "I was reading about a new prostate cure, (from a plant). They said it might be good for other cancers as well. It's been used for centuries in China, for other medical conditions. The variety I have in my yard, contains the same 2 main things as the Chinese variety. The articles I read said it was "non toxic".
There are many articles on the internet about magnolia trees.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3322319/Threat-to-medicines-from-plant-extinctions.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/euhs-esf071503.php
http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/magnolia-bark.cfm
The NEW GREEN MIX I was using was from MAGNOLIA GRANDIFLORA. I'm afraid I only had limited results. I think it's like everything else and it can't penetrate the skin deeply enough. I tried something new 2 days ago. I'm not sure if it's eating the cancer up, or just eating my skin, and causing a bad allergic reaction. I will probably start a NEW TOPIC about it, one way or the other.
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judych
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Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:23:50
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yes, you are right, the bloodroot does push the cancers out... but i had at least five bccs come out along the top of my bust, just where the bra line crosses, and it was very painful.
They would have taken weeks to come out completely so i hurried it along a bit by using spurge. the spurge just dissolved the dead ischars in the ulcers that i had.
it wasnt a pleasant experience, believe me, but only because they all came out at once. This is why i used spurge. I couldnt cope with so many taking weeks to come out completely.
Plus the fact i had to keep each one moist for ages due to the length of time it was taking. This is why i changed my tactics.
I think taking bloodroot is very good. Its not an easy ride but it sure does do the job.
the deepest cancers are dealt with this way.
Also, its a wonderful tonic, very powerful but very good. I tell you, Ive never felt so good as i do now.
Im just waiting for the sores to heal up completely on my bust.
There is one area now that im not real sure about. I may just try petty spurge on a fresh area to see if i react badly to it. If i do, then maybe the last area that i have is only local skin reaction. Im not sure.
Im definately going to take bloodroot capsules at least three times a year.
Im on it again once christmas is over with. So long as i take plenty of water in for the kidneys it should deal very well with any growths that may be deeper inside my body.Dont be scared of it. If there is cancer deep within it needs to come out.
quote: Originally posted by Lily44
[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest. The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs .. I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along.. any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that. [quote]
I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out? I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer.
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Houston
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 02:07:18
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Hi - I'm also in Houston and would like to know where to find dandelions as well as petty spurge. I participated in the Peplin test group here and had excellent results in the test area, and now I'd like to treat the other areas. Thank you.
quote: Originally posted by txhouston
I am about 5 hours after the second application. So far I do not see evidence of dried blood. The scab this time is about the color of a dark freckle. Prior application the scab turned dark after first turning this dark freckle color.
I did deviate from protocol. Dandelions are difficult to find in Houston this time of year. I therefore put on some other latex weed substances, thistle and another common weed that looks like lettuce on a pole but has prickly spines on the end of the leaf. After the application of these other plants I located a source of supply for dandelions that is close to home so I can simply walk there every day and treat the BCC.
I rationalize that the scab that is forming, when not dark, is dead cells. Since these plant secretions do not cause this effect on healthy skin these must be attacking the BCC.
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waverider
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 13:58:25
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Houston, Most people here in the states end up having to order Petty Spurge seeds from one source, in Australia: http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html Takes about two weeks to get them. On the other hand, it does grow wild in N.A. and you might be lucky enough to stumble into some. A local university botanical dept might host an online rare plant finder, a directory of local sightings of unusual plants, these days often including GPS coordinates of sightings. Most gardeners consider PS a troublesome weed they'd rather get rid of, so nurseries don't keep it on hand because it seeds and spreads very prolifically. Recently here in L.A., I visited a home up in the hills in a deep canyon that only gets a few hours of direct sun this time of year. In a sheltered, neglected area on one side of the yard, very moist from all the rain we've had this year, a mother lode of petty spurge was growing wild amidst an assortment of rocks and discarded firewood. By now, I know the plant well and can I.D. it on sight. Fortunately I've got a good crop growing at home this year (from AUS seeds) so I resisted the temptation to ask the homeowner if I could return with a garden trowel and start digging! But it shows that PS does indeed pop up in places here and there, spontaneously. |
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marsha
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:10:51
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Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group? |
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:53:46
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Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
quote: Originally posted by marsha
Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2011 : 06:15:47
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I think its about time i did an update. Ive been using petty spurge on bccs that have come through the topside of my breasts.So far Ive treated about seven, they are ranging right across the line where I would have been burnt from the sun.. just about the bikini/bra line.
The first bccs that i treated with spurge have healed, there is quite a bit of scarring. the whole area is very itchy with a tendancy to go into a rash. Ive been using strong spurge, i found some huge spurge in the garden and im assuming that the sap is more toxic. Tonight im itchy between my breats at the top, Ive just put calamine lotion on the area to sooth it. shgould i just give the whole area a break from the spurge do you think??.. One area of bcc that had a large amount of scar tissue has erupted again, with smaller bccs coming out around it.( one of the first areas)
AS well as that, i have another bcc which is now quite large on the other breast. Ive been treating this one for the last week. Im not sure at what point to stop using spurge. Can someone advise me on this one please?? what should i do ??there is a scab, its not messy, in fact its quite dry.Its still very itchy though. Is the itch normal if the bcc is healed??
.. the other bccs Im treating are a lot smaller. I dont think they will be a problem. Im sure that these came up as a result of the near proximity of the spurge treatment in the same area.. There isnt much room between the bccs really.
Im going to keep using spurge until the small bccs are cleared up... hopefully another week. Then im goign to have a rest from spurge . Is there anything else i could use after stopping spurge??
Im hoping to go back onto another internal course of bloodroot capsules, as my liver could do with a post christmas tonic.. If there is anything deeper in my breast tissue then maybe it will be revealed then??. Im not sure what may be happening deeper inside the breasts... i would like to know. I wont be starting the bloodroot capsules for another couple of weeks.
Anyway, this is me up to date. I will keep you posted. judy
quote: Originally posted by judych
Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
quote: Originally posted by marsha
Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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LookRadiant
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 12:01:56
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I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 18:44:46
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hi lookradient. just read your post. How far under your eyebrow is the area you are talking about??..its not near the eyelid is it??
I use bloodroot paste. Is this what you are talking about??.... Ive been using it in various places on my face and on my upper chest for many years now.
Ive also used it in conjunction with other things as well... Im going to email you privately on it... judych
quote: Originally posted by LookRadiant
I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
thanks, LookRadiant
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janagain
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 15:56:21
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I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort. |
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:44:51
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Good find! Well, Dan's first post on this topic was just about exactly three years ago. Glad to see that British dermatologists are getting up to speed. Maybe in another three years or so an American derm will put down the scalpel for a minute and admit (in a whisper) that they've actually heard of petty spurge. By then, a lot of people will have been cured ... by this forum. |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:57:34
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Janagain: PS is classified as a "winter annual": Grows all winter, seeds in early summer, then rapidly wilts and keels over and dies. I wouldn't expect to see it seed until after May or so, even in PHX. It really spreads those seeds, too. They lie dormant on/in the ground until cool autumn weather and moisture signal them to germinate. With last year's crop, when fall came I had PS popping up all over the place on my patio -- in cracks in the concrete, behind a water heater, in cactus pots -- from seeds that had lodged there back during the summer. I found one sprouting all the way in the front yard, over the house and about 25 yards from where the original plants were growing in back. |
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Jul
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:30:51
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SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info. Thanks so much in advance for your time.
quote: Originally posted by SoFl
quote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 12:08:13
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If your skin is sensitive to chemicals to begin with you might want to avoid alcohol. But I'd probably tincture it in alcohol for a couple of reasons: a) it will last much longer than a water-based mixture b) it's the most powerful process, drawing the most benefit out of the plant, and c) you don't have to preserve it. You can boil the alcohol off before using the tincture.
For a tincture, as opposed to a poultice (which is water-based and has all the plant parts in it), strain the plant material out after however long you tincture it (6 weeks for most tinctures, but I'd google that to be sure) and then just before you use it each time, put the liquid in a small pot at a rolling boil, and boil the alcohol off for about 3 minutes, uncovered. If I'm only using a small amount of any tincture I add a little water to it before boiling it. (You don't want to let the tincture completely evaporate.) This is a fairly common practice for all kinds of herbal tinctures. My guess is that both the water and the alcohol evaporate leaving the medicinal parts alone, as they're heavier. If that's true, there'd be no dilution or reduced effects of the herb's benefits.
quote: Originally posted by Jul
SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info. Thanks so much in advance for your time.
quote: Originally posted by SoFl
quote: Originally posted by Lily44
quote: Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 02:16:05
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Hi, I grew and used Euphorbia Peplus last summer for a small bcc on my arm with excellent results. Had a bcc removed from my forehead last year that caused a huge staph infection and I want to now use petty spurge on it to make sure it is all clean.
What is the best way to grow it in winter with limited sunlight like it is up here in Seattle? I have seeds harvested from my plants, which I originally grew from Beautanicals seeds.
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waverider
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:25:49
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Nice to see another positive report added. I don't know how late in the season you can get PS to sprout through normal means because, as a winter annual, they are programmed to drop dead in the summer heat. You might want to plant some without delay, as they need a cold season to germinate. Normally, you'd want to plant PS in the fall. I would probably save some seeds and, if you don't get growth from the regular planting now, pre-germinate the other seeds in baggies in the refrigerator, then plant them in pots after they start to sprout in the 'frig. That's one way to get around planting out of season. It sort of fools the seeds. My experience (in CA) with PS is that they do best in low sunlight and moist weather/cooler temps. I didn't lose any to the month of heavy rains we had but almost lost a few in just one week of dry, hot sun. |
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