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Brigid
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 Posted - 12/04/2010 : 21:50:26
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Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
Big patch of swollen red from nostril to above lip 10 hours after applying the PS sap. 1" wide just above lip. I'm considering running for Miss Spurgiverse. Tumor eruptions less reactive. Last time they took a few days to light up.
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judych
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 00:55:40
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hi there Brigid.. sorry for the delay, ive been away. O.k...well, my situation was a little different because i took bloodroot internally, and that caused the cancers to erupt. Bloodroot pushes the cancers into a white mass thats easily seen in whats basically very much like an ulcer. Lots of inflammation around the outside. These white areas, that i knew were cancers, didnt want to come out completely and i had a lot of bother and days and days of trying to keep them moist all the time so they would eventually come out. In the end, because there were so many of them and they were so painful, i used petty spurge to get rid of them. They dissolved but its taken them weeks to do this.
One thing. I took the bloodroot because i wasnt sure just how deep the cancer cells were in my breasts, and wasnt all that confident that the petty spurge would be able to draw it all out. After all, i had no eruptions on the surface to starte with at all. Just itchy in the breast tissue.
The bloodroot capsules worked deep in side the tissue bringing it to the surface so i could put the petty spurge onto it. The whole thing was a painful episode, because all at once five cancers came through, and i had to deal with them all at once.
They are well on the way to healing over now...im just using agrimony on them now twice a day to help with the healing and drying up.
the zinc cream was just a cream taht i had here. Its natural and seems to work really well with most skin eruptions. I believe that zinc is a great healer for the skin.
ive jsut looked at the label on the zinc. Its got zinc oxide, peanut oil, castor oil, cetostearyl alcohol and beeswax white. not sure waht the cetostearyl is....perhaps you could do a search on it??
judych
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Originally posted by Brigid
Hi Judych,
Could you say what the five very small cancers that have come through look like? Are they small white bumps? Others, myself included, have noticed those— in my case toward the end of the 3 weeks I treated. I'm not sure whether they're cancer or not. Also, could you say what the zinc cream does and whether there are fragrance chemicals and/or preservatives in it? Thank you!
Good luck with the treatment (and enjoy the break from it.)
Originally posted by judych
hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
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Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Lily44
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 02:07:50
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Originally posted by Brigid
Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
My 95 year old mother, who has a history of skin cancer, used coconut oil on her face for about 4 months. Her face at times looked blistered. I believe she was getting rid of AK's, she just thought she was allergenic to it. She's still dealing with a cancer, that was about the size of a dime, now it's about half that size.
She looks like she's had a face peel. The people at church call her "pretty woman". She practically has no wrinkles. She won't use coconut oil anymore, she uses olive oil on her face.
She's using HER OWN concoction on her skin cancer. It's a mixture of zinc baby diaper rash cream, white willow bark, vitamin D-3,
vitamin B-12, and some EGGPLANT EXTRACT capsules from Swanson's. She wanted CURADERM, but didn't want to pay over $100 for it.
I've been dealing with skin cancer for about 4 years. I thought I was managing it. I decided to try the new APRICOT KERNEL oil
I had bought. Most people on iherb.com gave it good reviews.
Well, I broke out in what looks like pimples, but only on the side where I had cancer on my face, plus a few pimples behind both ears
and a few on my neck. I believe it is diagnosing cancer. I have the TKO ORANGE OIL, but it has no reaction on these places. This past
week I have used many things on that side of my face. I'm determined to wipe this stuff out. I've tried so many things, that if something
works, I won't know what did work. The right side of my face looks like a burn victim, with a bad case of acne, and one bad crusted over spot.
I've got to try and let my face heal for a few days, enough that maybe I can cover it with bandaids, and make-up. I've got to make a
quick trip to WAL-MART'S, and pick up some necessities. Needless to say I'll probably go about midnight, to try and avoid everybody. Good
luck to you, and I hope we all find the answers we need to solve this awful problem of skin cancer. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 12:15:14
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Aloe softened scabs from Petty Spurge
Aloe's a burn remedy, so I bought a big aloe vera branch from supermarket. Cut of the rind and applied strips of the gel to above lip and around nostrils. I got total and immediate relief from burning. Found it stuck to my face. After 20 minutes I took off the aloe and saw that the hard scabs and skin underneath had softened, bubbled and turned white in some areas. It still felt great. I poulticed it (taped it on) and went to bed. I woke up an hour and a half later with burning, took the tape off, and saw that the areas were dry and red again. (For the record, the burning has kept me up on and off the last two nights, so it wasn't the aloe that woke me.) From now on, I"m going to apply aloe first for 20 - 30 minutes to soften the scabs before applying the spurge. I agree with everyone who's posted about scabs that success rests in getting the PS sap through them.
I'm treating a sensitive area of the face near lip and nostrils. I've found that the first few days are just minor stinging but by day 4 or 5, it becomes burning and then on subsequent days there can be occasional deeper pain. What I've found helpful for pain is:
* homeopathic bellaonna
* aloe
* ice
* olive oil
* eating ginger (the last 3 are anti-inflammatory.)
* being outside in the cold! The weather has obliged this week, with temps in the 20s here.
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opalxx
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Posted - 12/13/2010 : 17:31:35
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Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 19:29:34
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well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
Does anyone have any suggestions here?? im a bit confused at the moment. Im confident that the bccs will all be dealt with, i jsut want the most comfy way of doing it.....
Should i try petty spurge again??.. the area that was red and itchy, that im talking about, has lost its scabs now, still red though and dry flaking skin around the outside.
the scarring on the other healed bccs is considerable, but i take it that the bloodroot did that... Im hoping that these will go in time. |
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Lily44
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Posted - 12/14/2010 : 01:16:47
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[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
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I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out?
I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer. |
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Lily44
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Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:17:16
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Originally posted by opalxx
Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested.
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I'm glad you're having good results, I may take you up on your offer, for the cream. We need all the help we can get. In answer to the question you asked me.
You have your NEEM trees, we have our MAGNOLIA trees, the state flower of the great state I live in, LOUISIANA.
(My quote from Nov 29, 2010 post)
"I was reading about a new prostate cure, (from a plant). They said it might be good for other cancers as well. It's been used for centuries in China, for other medical conditions. The variety I have in my yard, contains the same 2 main things as the Chinese variety.
The articles I read said it was "non toxic".
There are many articles on the internet about magnolia trees.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3322319/Threat-to-medicines-from-plant-extinctions.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/euhs-esf071503.php
http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/magnolia-bark.cfm
The NEW GREEN MIX I was using was from MAGNOLIA GRANDIFLORA. I'm afraid I only had limited results. I think it's like everything else and it can't penetrate the skin deeply enough. I tried something new 2 days ago. I'm not sure if it's eating the cancer up, or just eating my skin, and causing a bad allergic reaction. I will probably start a NEW TOPIC about it, one way or the other.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:23:50
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yes, you are right, the bloodroot does push the cancers out... but i had at least five bccs come out along the top of my bust, just where the bra line crosses, and it was very painful.
They would have taken weeks to come out completely so i hurried it along a bit by using spurge. the spurge just dissolved the dead ischars in the ulcers that i had.
it wasnt a pleasant experience, believe me, but only because they all came out at once. This is why i used spurge. I couldnt cope with so many taking weeks to come out completely.
Plus the fact i had to keep each one moist for ages due to the length of time it was taking. This is why i changed my tactics.
I think taking bloodroot is very good. Its not an easy ride but it sure does do the job.
the deepest cancers are dealt with this way.
Also, its a wonderful tonic, very powerful but very good. I tell you, Ive never felt so good as i do now.
Im just waiting for the sores to heal up completely on my bust.
There is one area now that im not real sure about. I may just try petty spurge on a fresh area to see if i react badly to it. If i do, then maybe the last area that i have is only local skin reaction. Im not sure.
Im definately going to take bloodroot capsules at least three times a year.
Im on it again once christmas is over with. So long as i take plenty of water in for the kidneys it should deal very well with any growths that may be deeper inside my body.Dont be scared of it. If there is cancer deep within it needs to come out.
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Originally posted by Lily44
[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
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I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out?
I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer.
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Houston
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 02:07:18
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Hi - I'm also in Houston and would like to know where to find dandelions as well as petty spurge. I participated in the Peplin test group here and had excellent results in the test area, and now I'd like to treat the other areas. Thank you.
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I am about 5 hours after the second application. So far I do not see evidence of dried blood. The scab this time is about the color of a dark freckle. Prior application the scab turned dark after first turning this dark freckle color.
I did deviate from protocol. Dandelions are difficult to find in Houston this time of year. I therefore put on some other latex weed substances, thistle and another common weed that looks like lettuce on a pole but has prickly spines on the end of the leaf. After the application of these other plants I located a source of supply for dandelions that is close to home so I can simply walk there every day and treat the BCC.
I rationalize that the scab that is forming, when not dark, is dead cells. Since these plant secretions do not cause this effect on healthy skin these must be attacking the BCC.
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waverider
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 13:58:25
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Houston,
Most people here in the states end up having to order Petty Spurge seeds from one source, in Australia:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
Takes about two weeks to get them.
On the other hand, it does grow wild in N.A. and you might be lucky enough to stumble into some. A local university botanical dept might host an online rare plant finder, a directory of local sightings of unusual plants, these days often including GPS coordinates of sightings.
Most gardeners consider PS a troublesome weed they'd rather get rid of, so nurseries don't keep it on hand because it seeds and spreads very prolifically.
Recently here in L.A., I visited a home up in the hills in a deep canyon that only gets a few hours of direct sun this time of year. In a sheltered, neglected area on one side of the yard, very moist from all the rain we've had this year, a mother lode of petty spurge was growing wild amidst an assortment of rocks and discarded firewood. By now, I know the plant well and can I.D. it on sight. Fortunately I've got a good crop growing at home this year (from AUS seeds) so I resisted the temptation to ask the homeowner if I could return with a garden trowel and start digging! But it shows that PS does indeed pop up in places here and there, spontaneously. |
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marsha
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:10:51
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:53:46
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Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
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Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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judych
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 06:15:47
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I think its about time i did an update. Ive been using petty spurge on bccs that have come through the topside of my breasts.So far Ive treated about seven, they are ranging right across the line where I would have been burnt from the sun.. just about the bikini/bra line.
The first bccs that i treated with spurge have healed, there is quite a bit of scarring. the whole area is very itchy with a tendancy to go into a rash. Ive been using strong spurge, i found some huge spurge in the garden and im assuming that the sap is more toxic. Tonight im itchy between my breats at the top, Ive just put calamine lotion on the area to sooth it. shgould i just give the whole area a break from the spurge do you think??..
One area of bcc that had a large amount of scar tissue has erupted again, with smaller bccs coming out around it.( one of the first areas)
AS well as that, i have another bcc which is now quite large on the other breast. Ive been treating this one for the last week. Im not sure at what point to stop using spurge. Can someone advise me on this one please?? what should i do ??there is a scab, its not messy, in fact its quite dry.Its still very itchy though.
Is the itch normal if the bcc is healed??
.. the other bccs Im treating are a lot smaller. I dont think they will be a problem. Im sure that these came up as a result of the near proximity of the spurge treatment in the same area.. There isnt much room between the bccs really.
Im going to keep using spurge until the small bccs are cleared up... hopefully another week. Then im goign to have a rest from spurge . Is there anything else i could use after stopping spurge??
Im hoping to go back onto another internal course of bloodroot capsules, as my liver could do with a post christmas tonic.. If there is anything deeper in my breast tissue then maybe it will be revealed then??. Im not sure what may be happening deeper inside the breasts... i would like to know. I wont be starting the bloodroot capsules for another couple of weeks.
Anyway, this is me up to date. I will keep you posted. judy
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Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
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Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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LookRadiant
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 12:01:56
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I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
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judych
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 18:44:46
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hi lookradient. just read your post. How far under your eyebrow is the area you are talking about??..its not near the eyelid is it??
I use bloodroot paste. Is this what you are talking about??.... Ive been using it in various places on my face and on my upper chest for many years now.
Ive also used it in conjunction with other things as well... Im going to email you privately on it... judych
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Originally posted by LookRadiant
I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
thanks,
LookRadiant
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janagain
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 15:56:21
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| I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort. |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:44:51
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| Good find! Well, Dan's first post on this topic was just about exactly three years ago. Glad to see that British dermatologists are getting up to speed. Maybe in another three years or so an American derm will put down the scalpel for a minute and admit (in a whisper) that they've actually heard of petty spurge. By then, a lot of people will have been cured ... by this forum. |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:57:34
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Janagain:
PS is classified as a "winter annual": Grows all winter, seeds in early summer, then rapidly wilts and keels over and dies. I wouldn't expect to see it seed until after May or so, even in PHX. It really spreads those seeds, too. They lie dormant on/in the ground until cool autumn weather and moisture signal them to germinate. With last year's crop, when fall came I had PS popping up all over the place on my patio -- in cracks in the concrete, behind a water heater, in cactus pots -- from seeds that had lodged there back during the summer. I found one sprouting all the way in the front yard, over the house and about 25 yards from where the original plants were growing in back. |
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Jul
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:30:51
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SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info.
Thanks so much in advance for your time.
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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 12:08:13
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If your skin is sensitive to chemicals to begin with you might want to avoid alcohol. But I'd probably tincture it in alcohol for a couple of reasons: a) it will last much longer than a water-based mixture b) it's the most powerful process, drawing the most benefit out of the plant, and c) you don't have to preserve it. You can boil the alcohol off before using the tincture.
For a tincture, as opposed to a poultice (which is water-based and has all the plant parts in it), strain the plant material out after however long you tincture it (6 weeks for most tinctures, but I'd google that to be sure) and then just before you use it each time, put the liquid in a small pot at a rolling boil, and boil the alcohol off for about 3 minutes, uncovered. If I'm only using a small amount of any tincture I add a little water to it before boiling it. (You don't want to let the tincture completely evaporate.) This is a fairly common practice for all kinds of herbal tinctures. My guess is that both the water and the alcohol evaporate leaving the medicinal parts alone, as they're heavier. If that's true, there'd be no dilution or reduced effects of the herb's benefits.
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SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info.
Thanks so much in advance for your time.
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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 02:16:05
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Hi, I grew and used Euphorbia Peplus last summer for a small bcc on my arm with excellent results. Had a bcc removed from my forehead last year that caused a huge staph infection and I want to now use petty spurge on it to make sure it is all clean.
What is the best way to grow it in winter with limited sunlight like it is up here in Seattle? I have seeds harvested from my plants, which I originally grew from Beautanicals seeds.
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waverider
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:25:49
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Nice to see another positive report added. I don't know how late in the season you can get PS to sprout through normal means because, as a winter annual, they are programmed to drop dead in the summer heat. You might want to plant some without delay, as they need a cold season to germinate. Normally, you'd want to plant PS in the fall. I would probably save some seeds and, if you don't get growth from the regular planting now, pre-germinate the other seeds in baggies in the refrigerator, then plant them in pots after they start to sprout in the 'frig. That's one way to get around planting out of season. It sort of fools the seeds.
My experience (in CA) with PS is that they do best in low sunlight and moist weather/cooler temps. I didn't lose any to the month of heavy rains we had but almost lost a few in just one week of dry, hot sun. |
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 14:19:52
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Mine did really well in the spring and really went crazy once I put them outside, might have been from the nightly dew so I could replicate with misting.
I plan to get them going shortly, and have about 300 seeds I harvested from my plants last time.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 00:17:00
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Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 00:55:24
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I haven't seen a petty spurge combo with anything else. I saw cymilium and vit C elsewhere but no combos here. The petty spurge seems to work extremely well. Have you tried it and not found good results?
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judych
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:54:11
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hi Brigid... it may have been me... well, i was one who tried a mix. I took bloodroot capsules ... then when the bccs started to come through i used petty spurge.. if you want any more info just email me privetly and i will go through it again for you...judy
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Originally posted by Brigid
Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 18:06:27
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Originally posted by judych
hi Brigid... it may have been me... well, i was one who tried a mix. I took bloodroot capsules ... then when the bccs started to come through i used petty spurge.. if you want any more info just email me privetly and i will go through it again for you...judy
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Originally posted by Brigid
Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:30:25
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PS cured 41 of 48 skin cancers in a recent clinical trial with 3 days of treatment. This is not pseudo science, it's the cure.
I have three more recent successes bringing my personal total to over 30 successful treatments.
Common weed petty spurge 'could treat' skin cancer
25 January 2011
By Michelle Roberts Health reporter, BBC News
Sap from the common garden weed petty spurge appears to treat non-melanoma skin cancers, experts are reporting in the British Journal of Dermatology.
The study involved 36 of such patients who collectively had a total of 48 non-melanoma lesions. Each was treated with the sap of the petty spurge plant, or Euphorbia peplus, which was applied to the skin once a day for three days. The plant sap has been used for centuries as a traditional medicine, and the researchers wanted to put it through its paces in a proper clinical trial. After a one month, 41 of the 48 cancers had shown a complete clinical response to the treatment, meaning no trace of the tumour could be found on clinical examination.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12275507
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:41:20
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Originally posted by Alexis Fecteau
Hi, I grew and used Euphorbia Peplus last summer for a small bcc on my arm with excellent results. Had a bcc removed from my forehead last year that caused a huge staph infection and I want to now use petty spurge on it to make sure it is all clean.
What is the best way to grow it in winter with limited sunlight like it is up here in Seattle? I have seeds harvested from my plants, which I originally grew from Beautanicals seeds.
Alexis Fecteau
Hi Alexis.
My biggest difficulty has been keeping a stock of plants going. I too originally grew from the Beautanicals seeds but now I also have my own seed stockpile. There have been some good posts in this thread about growing, but I have found there are three keys...
-they say it grows naturally in "disturbed soil" I have found that this best translates to aerated soil with a lot of debris in it like foam or wood chips, etc. It doesn't do very well in solid packed dirt.
-the plants don't like a lot of sun. They prefer filtered sun and don't need a huge amount of sun. They can do well in an area that gets shade most of the day and filtered sun part of the day.
-they don't like getting dry. Ideally if you are using well drained soil, water them every day.
-they do not like hot weather. Based on my own limited growing experience, I would say they favor a climate of lows around 30-40F and highs around 60-70F. I would consider that the ideal temperature range and they only thrive when they get the cold nightime temperatures.
-once they get going they like a little bit of liquid plant food. I put one or two drops in about 32 ounces of water once a week or every other week. |
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:01:29
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Originally posted by Jul
SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps.
Growing them in South Florida is problematic but not at all impossible. First read the post I made above about general growing conditions.
In south florida, I have had the best results by germinating seeds around the November time frame. I keep the plants indoors in a window that gets filtered sunlight most of the day. The seeds germinate easily. The first time we get a winter cold front, I move the plants outdoors because they REQUIRE that shot of cold to get growing well.
I can't emphasize enough that they REQUIRE cold weather in the range of 30-60 degrees at night in order to move beyond a useless dwarf state.
So I grow them during the winter. I leave them outdoors under heavy shade if it's cold outside (it will never get too cold for PS in south Florida) and if it gets hot out I bring them inside.
I have successfully kept plants growing year round, but they are very difficult to grow in the summer because there is something about the low nighttime temperatures that signal to the plant to grow. Often without a cold snap, they remain in a dwarf size state about like a clover and never mature, then eventually die.
The longest I have ever kept a single plant alive is about a year. I will typically try to grow 5 or 6 plants in a small six inch plastic pot, and I try to keep 5 or 6 pots growing.
Given that they grow best in the winter here, I have started trying to do wait and do all of a years accumulated treatments in the wintertime.
I have also grown the plants (much more) successfully in North Carolina. They do ok down to about 20-25 degrees f. So they are definitely frost tolerant but below 20 degrees or so, they don't like it and may die.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:16:35
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Thanks for the BBC article link, SoFl. I'll remember not to "try it at home" as I'm starting my third round with it, LOL.
I'm still very interested in hearing whether anyone knows where that "combined treatment" post is---it was at the same time roughly as the post about the Indian dr. prescribing neem oil and coconut oil. Thanks for replying, Judy, it wasn't the bloodroot/PS combo that you're doing.
Thinking back on Dan's early posts about cymillium, I decided to try one of the main ingredients of that minus the toxic chemicals in the product. Instead of using ammonia, I used a bit of my own, early AM urine, after being on a healthy, no-caffeine, no- sugar, vegan diet for a few months. I had been putting coconut oil on the area and one day of neem oil to see what turned red. It's a great "diagnostic tool" for me, since it doesn't hurt but does show where the cancer still is.
One spot on my nose that I thought was cancer-free, turned pink from the oil and bright red from the urine and spurge sap. I had expected the area around both nostrils to turn red but was surprised at the intensity of the response on the right nostril: bright red and to the other side of the smile line. (We're talking about applying one drop of sap!) Even before treating on day #2, which this is for me, the inflamed areas around both nostrils have developed a white raised surface, which I think is the white blood cells flooding in. It was sore and itchy immediately, unlike the times I've used the sap alone----that s.t. took 10 hours to react. I'm rooting for it!
Part of the quick response may be due to sensitizing my skin beforehand with the coconut/neem oils, aside from the urine. I'm not sure I'm going to use the urine again today, maybe just the sap. I also may use fresh aloe from a plant to soften the scabs before applying the sap.
The original tumor seems to have spread over a fairly large surface, and during the past two rounds, I used up to 7 leaves' sap each time to get it all. But that was too much, and I dealt with nausea, extreme coldness (not weather-related),
fatigue and headaches. This time, I'm taking it slow: 3 leaves at a go, and that's it.
The good news: an area that lit up previously no longer lights up (from the coconut oil/neem).
On the other hand: The area surrounding the original tumor and later eruptions is still lit up, and I can't treat it this round....but next time I will.
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:19:12
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Originally posted by Alexis Fecteau
I haven't seen a petty spurge combo with anything else. I saw cymilium and vit C elsewhere but no combos here. The petty spurge seems to work extremely well. Have you tried it and not found good results?
Alexis Fecteau
I would like to comment on this since other posters for some reason seem intent on combining it with other treatments.
For me, as well as in the clinical trials that have been conducted, PS works extremely well and produces an outstanding cosmetic result. It makes no sense whatsoever to me to try to combine it with some other treatment that may or may not work. Why would you do that?
After you gain some experience with PS, it works in a very predictable manner used alone. Introducing other variables I see as an entirely counter productive endeavor.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:33:37
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I would have to strenuously agree with SoFL on the treatment. I see no reason to combine Euphorbia Peplus with other treatments. It works unbelievably effectively and is proven scientifically. Combinations that dilute the sap aren't and may well reduce the efficacy of the chemicals that produce the results.
Cosmetically results are excellent as well.
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:38:41
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I'd appreciate knowing how you collect the seeds. The white paper beneath the pot didn't yield anything, but a couple of seedlings have sprouted in two of my pots.
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Originally posted by Jul
SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps.
Growing them in South Florida is problematic but not at all impossible. First read the post I made above about general growing conditions.
In south florida, I have had the best results by germinating seeds around the November time frame. I keep the plants indoors in a window that gets filtered sunlight most of the day. The seeds germinate easily. The first time we get a winter cold front, I move the plants outdoors because they REQUIRE that shot of cold to get growing well.
I can't emphasize enough that they REQUIRE cold weather in the range of 30-60 degrees at night in order to move beyond a useless dwarf state.
So I grow them during the winter. I leave them outdoors under heavy shade if it's cold outside (it will never get too cold for PS in south Florida) and if it gets hot out I bring them inside.
I have successfully kept plants growing year round, but they are very difficult to grow in the summer because there is something about the low nighttime temperatures that signal to the plant to grow. Often without a cold snap, they remain in a dwarf size state about like a clover and never mature, then eventually die.
The longest I have ever kept a single plant alive is about a year. I will typically try to grow 5 or 6 plants in a small six inch plastic pot, and I try to keep 5 or 6 pots growing.
Given that they grow best in the winter here, I have started trying to do wait and do all of a years accumulated treatments in the wintertime.
I have also grown the plants (much more) successfully in North Carolina. They do ok down to about 20-25 degrees f. So they are definitely frost tolerant but below 20 degrees or so, they don't like it and may die.
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:15:21
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Originally posted by Brigid
I'd appreciate knowing how you collect the seeds. The white paper beneath the pot didn't yield anything, but a couple of seedlings have sprouted in two of my pots.
Seed collection:
This is all from personal experience...
As the plant matures, it will produce extremely small bright yellow buds on the outer leaves. These contain seed pods that each contain three seeds. Warm weather triggers these triplet seed pods to explode, sending the outer soft shell straight to the ground, and sending the seeds hurling as far as six feet or more from the plant. This is the mechanism by which the plant spreads.
My collection method is very low tech but it works. I keep them indoors on a wide windowsill in the kitchen with a white tile floor. When they are spreading the seeds, in between regular floor cleanings, I will crawl around on the floor and pick up each seed individually by pressing my finger down to the floor, and the seed will stick to my finger.
The seeds are very small, probably only 1 mm long. One plant can produce hundreds of seeds. The seeds themselves are a grayish color, and if you look at them under a magnifying glass or a loupe, they have a matrix of holes all over them. The seeds are very hard. I keep them in a small ziplock bag in regular indoor conditions and they remain viable for years.
Whatever method you devise, it's important to understand that the green outer covering drops straight down. That isn't what you want. The seeds themselves are propelled by the explosion of the pod, and can travel a long distance. So simply putting a paper under the plant will probably only yield the useless outer seed coverings.
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:47:50
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I have one last post for today.
In the clinical trial I cited above, and in every clinical trial I've seen, the treatment duration was three days. In this last trial, that was good enough to cure 41 out of 48 lesions. Would a longer treatment have cured them all? Based on my experience I think the answer is yes.
I have settled on a somewhat longer treatment, as I posted earlier in this thread and so far I have a 100 percent success rate, having only to re treat 2 lesions where I initially used a short three day treatment.
I have settled on a "standard" treatment whereby anything that looks like it might go deep gets 3 days of the sap, covered by a leaf, covered by a band aid, and then after three days, I remove the band aid and then just use the sap. this treatment includes one and maybe 2 scab removals to get the sap directly on to the tissue below. I think this is overkill however for small or more superficial lesions.
My point in this post is to say that PS is documented to work. So my keen interest now is in optimizing the duration and intensity of the treatment for various lesions so as not to intentionally overtreat, but at the same time to treat to a degree that it does not return.
I have a great interest in this because.....
I have progressed to treating Atypical Moles (Dysplastic Nevus) of which I have several hundred. I have treated two so far with complete erasure and a wonderful almost unbelievable cosmetic result. One had been prominently displayed on my cheek since birth and it was getting bigger. As of today, there is no evidence that I ever had a mole on the cheek except for a slightly reddened area compared to the surrounding skin, but I am only one month after a very deep (est 3 mm deep) and slightly painful treatment. I know I'm not supposed to be doing this according to conventional science and neither are you. Caveat Emptor and stay tuned because I will report back if any of these return.
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clearlake
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 17:32:02
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Thanks so much for the great news about the Clinical Trial SOFL.
Have a question about your post; are you saying if the petty plants do not get beyond the dwarf stage the sap is useless?
My plants are doing pretty well now, (about the size of clover) and I am in South Florida. They do like it cooler. I hadn't put them outside this winter, will have to try that. In the next post I'm attaching photos. The plant that is underneath the table is the one that is doing the best.
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:35:50
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Hello, just stumbled upon this forum.
I've been reading about this for a while and now just starting to try and find some of this wonder weed.
However I'm concerned about picking the wrong one, has anyone got a foolproof way of identifying it? Pictures so often look so different from the real thing.
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:37:48
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Hello, just stumbled upon this forum.
I've been reading about this for a while and now just starting to try and find some of this wonder weed.
However I'm concerned about picking the wrong one, has anyone got a foolproof way of identifying it? Pictures so often look so different from the real thing.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:42:53
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I would highly recommend just buying the seeds from Beautanicals in Australia, they are only $3.50 US plus shipping, then grow it yourself and you know you have the correct plant for sure.
That was my experience and it worked well, no worries about having the wrong plant, especially if you have never seen one up close in person before. I tried finding them wild and they would have been difficult or impossible to definitively identify in my case here in Seattle.
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cause
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 01:38:50
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| Thank you Alexis. I've just ordered the seeds. I'll probably find myself surrounded by by this weed come spring but better safe than sorry. |
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 01:48:24
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I agree, you might, but you'll also be sure you have the Euphorbia Peplus and not something close in spelling or sap like Euphorbia Peplis.
With my luck I would end up with the latter and never know it til it didn't work as advertised!
Good luck, I think you made the correct decision.
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
