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annieh
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 Posted - 09/28/2010 : 05:22:00
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[quote]In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS. I would imagine everyone is a little bit different in this regard.
I had an area the size of a half dollar that was swollen up on my forehead surrounding the lesion during the first two days of treatment.
Thanks for replying Sofi. I had the exact same reaction after applying some to an indent: it swelled up hugely beyond the area and was like a lump. Anyhow: scabs: I decided by instinct to wash the thin layer of slight scabby skin off my very red forehead. I washed it off with TeaTree oil (ouch ouch) given that TeaTree is an antiseptic and anti-fungal; soothed it with plain Vitamin E cream and with pawpaw cream, and then carried on with Petty Spurge: just for three days. I am leaving it alone now, just dealing with the area's redness (tiny dab of a low-dose cortisone cream). |
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clearlake
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Posted - 09/28/2010 : 10:20:57
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I was also just reading that Peplin who was working to bring this to market in Australia was acquired by another firm, so I have no idea when the product will actually be in the market. Maybe it's been iced until some patents run out.
SOFL, what do you mean by this? Has Peplin been gobbled up by the competition or Big Pharma in order to make them go away, with the product never going to market?
SOFL, you are such a great healer! You do a great job on yourself. I live in South Florida also.
Hey everyone here, I have a problem, would appreciate some feedback. I've had a history of superficial BCC on area between lip and nose. Treated with Aldara multiple times, didn't work. Had Moh's surgery there which left a scar, then I felt the cancer returning and used more Aldara just to see if something was going on (this was before Petty Spurge). Using the Aldara revealed another bad spot on the other side of area between lip and nose, and this spot was doing a sneaky journey across the upper lip area back to the original spot. I experimented with using bloodroot on both areas; the bloodroot lit up pretty good in both spots and left a significant disfiguring scar on the first spot where it ate into the Moh's scar, pulling my lip up into a sneer in the process. (Sorry, graphic)
I tried petty spurge on these areas, and really the whole center of my face it lit up plenty. I really did too large an area and could not sustain. Also, that original Moh's/disfigurement area just seemed so deep and it was painful. I quit, thinking I would get back to it. But it's just such a visible area to be experimenting on, and too painful, as I said. Meanwhile, my lips are getting flaky and bleed if I pull off the peel.
I decided to break down and go to the dermatologist, a new one. This guy seems top of the line, head of the skin cancer center, went to an ivy league medical school. When I showed him my face, he was very angry that I used topicals and said I couldn't be his patient if I continued to do that because he is against that kind of thing. He wouldn't biopsy 2 places I wanted him to (my arm! remember the pictures of my arm y'all!), but he did do 2 punch biopsies in the area of the original Moh's scar/now disfigurement. I have stitches in 2 places. Adding to my scar collection.
Anyway, they just called me from the clinic with biopsy results. They said they were negative, just scar tissue. What am I to make of this? I will get my stitches out Friday and see this derm, but . . . what about my lips and how I can feel the creepy crawly itchy ever spreading to around my nose, etc? What about the fireworks every time I use a topical? Do I believe them or believe in me? I never expected this negative biopsy result!! Any insight? |
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thanks01
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Posted - 09/28/2010 : 11:00:28
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| I imagine that some other people like me tend to try several solutions all at once, and then it's difficult to sort out which one helped. But we do it because we are so eager to get rid of the cancer problem. What I'm suggesting is that WHILE you do this search for a topical or dermatologist-suggested solution, that you try paying attention to your diet. The tendency to recurrence seems to me to be related to metabolism (my "two cents"). At the moment (along with some topicals) I am trying the 3 supplements suggested in the Forum Thread "Tried the rest and found the best" ( http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=533#3125 ). I also am trying to avoid sugar/alcohol and high glycemic foods, since I (personal history for me) am prone to Candida Yeast, which is covered pretty extensively in other threads in this forum. |
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waverider
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Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:42:05
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| The dermatologist's response was pretty standard. I understand the basis for it -- MDs have other concerns incl. liability issues if they advocate use of non-approved treatments. Everyone should be aware that a negative response from a dermatologist re topicals is a 100% foregone conclusion: They are going to advise you not to use it and/or to stop using it if you already are. Period. Now, that may in fact be sound advice and should be taken serious. But I didn't even get halfway thru one sentence describing Petty Spurge treatment before my MD started shaking his head, cut me off, and told me there was no such treatment in existence that worked. Anywhere. Ever. He wasn't receptive to listening to the Australian studies of PS and the petty spurge derivative topical now making it's way to FDA approval (I don't think he'd ever heard of it.) In a way I didn't blame him. If I was in his position and some patient came in the door saying he wanted to treat himself with a plant he was growing out on his patio, frankly, I'd probably tell him the same thing. Still, it helps to realize where everybody's coming from, and what their agendas are, on this subject. |
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marsha
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Posted - 09/29/2010 : 10:17:17
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| clearlake I am really sorry about all that. After being turned down for biopsies by a derm I finally got an appointment with my Dr. When I got my appointment with her she said she didn't do biopsies on the face. So I called another derm, but didn't make it past the appointment desk. So then I called my Dr and asked her for a referral, while waiting for her reply, I made an appointment with the first derm, for DEC. Then my Dr. called and left a message saying I should just hire a plastic surgeon, and get some moes done. I think the thing you have to remember is moes does scar, but if you have deep canser and you treat it with curaderm, petty,or blood root you will have scars all so, but they are not as bad as if you had moes. The ssc on my nostril was treated with curaderm, I thought I was going to end up with a huge piercing. It was biopsied first with a punch. I made it all the way through that treatment, meaning I kept using the curadem until after it had healed. I didn't make it through the petty spurge yet. I don't know what to make of you biopsies. Did you try putting the ps,or other things on places that don't have skin canser to see what your reaction to them are? |
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annieh
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Posted - 10/16/2010 : 23:44:55
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SoFl had said
>In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS
I can only agree heartily: like SoFL, I too had an area the size of a half dollar that was swollen up on my forehead.
Just thought I should share my forehead story -- to spare others' eyes... WHen I reapplied PS recently (after a stint with orange oil) I got a massive reaction: the forehead near my eyebrows became swollen up and red well beyond the area on which I had applied the petty spurge. With a plant one gets an unknown dosage of sap and it is best to therefore not risk it near the eyes: I had not been very close to the eyes but the sap sure travelled into that area systemically ...
I think I might have got overconfident in using PS and had used too much -- OR my skin had got sensitive to it perhaps? But most of all the mistake I think I made was to use it in my eyebrows: to me that was too dangerous: too close to my eyes.
While a scab had indeed formed above my eyebrows at the original lesion, everything else was inflamed and sore. Then the scab went a pale yellowy colour and I was worried it was infected. I put some tea-tree oil on to disinfect it. Oh troubles began: I woke up in the night and did not recognise myself in the mirror: not only was my forehead swollen but worryingly, the eye area was swollen up too. This area of the face is the danger zone near the brain, a friend said. I did not want to take any chances and so I saw a doctor at once.
After a prescription of antihistamine and antibiotic I am now using only a mild moisturiser to ease the broken skin and a mild cortisone cream.
MORAL OF THE STORY: BE EXTREMELY careful when using petty spurge on the face, and DON'T use it anywhere near the eye area.
Elsewhere on the forum it warns not to use it near the eyes too ...
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It is now a week later. My very confused skin is settling down. I am using gentle things like a mild sorbolene cream and a low-dose cortisone cream. After a rest period of a few weeks maybe I will apply some orange oil to see if the area reacts, to see how healed up things are. Just my experience; just my thoughts on things, shared in good faith in case it helps others for the best. Regards, Annieh |
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lonewolf1218
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 00:29:18
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| I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries. |
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annieh
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 16:23:39
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Originally posted by lonewolf1218
I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.
Where are they, in a pot inside? or outside in a pot? or in a garden, in a shady area? Mine seem to grow best when growing with another plant to shelter them a bit, but they seem to produce more sap when they get good light and a fair amount of water. But then I am writing from a temperate climate very different to Texas! |
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Brigid
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Posted - 10/19/2010 : 16:42:38
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Originally posted by lonewolf1218
I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.
Hi,
First thing about PS: they really like cool to cold weather, so put your air conditioner on high. Second, I was told by the company I bought the plants from to plant them in soil that was 1/3 potting soil, 1/3 vermiculite or perlite (the white, lightweight styrofoam-looking stuff)and 1/3 humus. Have you tried buying the seeds from different sources? Some from Irene (see her posts on this forum) and some from beautanicals.com in Australia? I posted elsewhere in this forum about the soil mix. You can put one, two or three seeds in each little jiffy pot if you want, they don't mind. You DO want to keep the soil evenly moist from time of planting until they're 5-7". Then you can skip some days, but if it's very hot in FL and TX, water at least once a day and feel soil a few times a day to make sure they're damp. You may have to water more than once a day. Don't let the soil dry out. WATER GENTLY with a spray bottle so as not to dislodge the seeds. I found some seedlings just die at the stage you mention--2 or 3". If the stems are too fragile to stand upright at that point, you can pack extra soil around them the stem a little way up, enough to prop them up, dampen with the spray bottle, and firm the added soil in with your fingers. Keep the AC going 24/7, but don't put them right near it. Start them out in moderate light on a window sill, not a very dark northern exposure and no direct sun, no very bright southern exposures. Some western exposures also get too much afternoon sun. Once they hit about 3",you can fertilize with fish emulsion every 3 days or so. Just be careful their leaves don't get too big for the stem to hold up. The fertilizers increase leaf size. At 3" or so put the survivors very carefully into a bigger pot w/ more soil. Make a hole in the new pot's soil with a pencil approx the length of the roots. Put plants in and spray w/ water. Don't fertilize for several days after repotting, let them adjust to the new pot. (When you put them into the new pots, keep as much of the old soil as possible---reduces shock.) You don't need many plants, so if you start out with 30 and end up with 4-10 healthy ones, I think you'll be OK. Half of mine survived. They took 17 weeks to develop seed bracts (no seeds yet). I have them in a bright northern window that reflects light off the neighbors'bright white house close up. I started them off in fairly low light, eastern window, b/c they didn't seem to want much light in the beginning. I also put them outside every cool or cold night, and quite a few days along the way. Good luck with it. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 13:19:53
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| lonewolf, I live in South FL which is probably even hotter than Texas, and I am able to grow the petty spurge. I keep it indoors, and surprisingly, I have it within 2 ft. of a southern exposure window on 2 small tables. I pulled the tables a couple feet away from the window so that at times during the day they get dappled light or only indirect light. But it is an extremely bright room in general. I've discovered that they do better only getting watered every other day, and not drowning them either. Maybe because of the humidity here they need less water. I had a friend take a couple plants for me while I was away and I told her to water them daily. They died! The ones I left for my son to water while I was away thrived - I could tell he did not water them every day. They looked better than when I took care of them. So since then I water every other day and they are growing well - it has cooled off here (below 80 at night) and the plants are responding. I also have 7 pots full of plants that I keep crowded all together on the 2 tables next to each other. I think they like being crowded together. But for sprouting seeds, maybe I would water more than what I said above. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2010 : 09:24:13
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If you’ve used petty spurge, please reply. I'm on day 5 of applying the sap to a 2 1/2 year old twofer one squamous/ basal cell tumor above my upper lip. The area puffed up more from the sap, got a little red and developed a thin scab that I pulled off a few times and kept covered with a poultice of the crushed leaves and a band-aid. The scab was not on the whole puffy area, it was just on 2 tiny red eruptions that popped up 8 months ago. Nor did the whole puffy area turn red. Now it’s red but no oozing yet. There's also a strip of bumpy, non-puffy inflamed skin about the length & width of band-aid adhesive that extends from the original site to the crease at the end of my mouth (smile line.) There's no similar irritated area on the other side, so it’s not from the band-aid adhesive. I guess its either a surface reaction to the spurge or more cancer there that was under the skin. When I tried the spurge on a spot on my hand, nothing happened, so it’s probably not an allergic reaction. I put the crushed leaves poultice on 1 - 3 X/day and sap once or twice a day, but not much is happening other than stinging, redness, scabbing (which I’m trying to keep off) and rash-like stinging area I described. There’s some deeper pain at one of the eruption sites when I put pressure on it.
Where’s the oozing that will get the cancer OUT? Is oozing a sign that the cancer’s leaving, or can it leave without that? I hope someone knows the answer to that...
On the other side of the lip, above it, a new spot I treated blistered up, onto the red skin of the lip and there are some little white bumps, similar to what Marcie described. I also treated one AK on my nose that got red, but no pain there. Yea!
My face is reacting only on the exact spots where I apply the sap: it’s not spreading. Why hasn't it spread over the whole puffy area above my lip since that's clearly from the tumor? (It was a little puffy for some months before I applied the sap.) Wondering if my plants have weak sap? Is it important to take the sap from the main stem? But that reduces the # of times you can use a plant, while if you take it from the smaller branches at the top, you can use the same plant many more times. Still I’ve taken some main stem sap, too.
Like other people, I'm trying to conserve the plants: I have 4 or 5 other spots ony my face to treat. Do you think the sap in the little branches at the top is weaker than the sap in the main stem? Of course there’s less sap in them. Or is it possible that the tumor is somehow partly dead or encased? Also, does anyone know whether the clear watery sap you get from pinching a recently cut stem is potent? I assumed less so than the white sap. Please reply if you have any experience with this or know about apoptosis, etc..... |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2010 : 17:21:13
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Day 9, yellow scabbbing, hardly any oozing, very inflamed on the 2 big sites above the lip (both about 1 3/4") out to the smile lines, and 1 on the nose, which is painless, btw. My lips are flaking big pieces of dead skin. Drinking a lot of water, but it continues.
A 4th site @ the corner of the nostril was itching and getting my attention even though there was no redness. I put the PS on and sure enough: firecracker and blisters. What an amazing plant. I realized from rereading the posts that I could just cut the leaves and let the stems be. Thanks to all who posted about that. I'm putting more sap on than most people recommended b/c the areas are so big and the SCC/BCC is 2 1/2 years old.
For anyone else out there with MCS, the sap has been a little hard on my immunity. Email me if you have MCS & want more info.
Pain level after the first week intensified, 8th evening was tough. OTC pain killers don't work for this and I've gone to one day on, one day off. Still can't smile and I cut food into small pieces.
I'D REALLY APPRECIATE ADVICE ON WHEN TO STOP. I think Svanip said to keep going until the pits stop scabbing. I've been trying to keep the scabs off, but they're thicker now & hard to get off. EVEN IF YOU"VE POSTED BEFORE about how you decided to stop, PLEASE post again about how you determined the cutoff point. (I've reread over 1/2 of all the posts on this Forum but don't have the energy to read the rest today to see if there's more info on when to stop. I want to get it all out on the first go.
Sorry I can't post photos. Clearlake kindly told me how to do it, but it's more public than I want to be for now, and I'm not great w/ computers to start with. |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2010 : 20:10:40
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| Haven't tried Petty Spurge yet, but I have some growing with intention to use sometime. Meanwhile, I read all experience posts with interests. Best wishes to you, Brigid, with your treatment and its results. Thanks for posting and I hope your face is beautiful when you are done! |
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clearlake
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 13:05:12
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Brigid, sounds like you're in the midst of the process! The yellow scabbing sounds so familiar to me. I wonder what that is. If we were dermatologists we could tell you. Sounds like you also have regular scabbing. I know it's upsetting because it's on your face and impacts your life so much. However, if it's any reassurance, know that if you stopped the application of petty spurge tomorrow, it amazingly will heal up and won't leave too much of a trace. The cancer won't be gone, but you will return to your normal state.
As to how long to use it - we are all guinea pigs sharing our experiences here, wish there were more hard data to tell you. I'm glad to hear you are continuing on with the application as I don't think one or two days is going to cut it. I think it works faster on a lesion that's newer and shallower. That would be common sense. That's the line newspaper articles about checking for skin cancer take also. I've used it 2x for 10 weeks straight on large areas, and I saw some improvement, but I got tired of it after awhile and stopped for a break.
I've been thinking of working on my own upper lip area, nose again, and thinking that this time I might attempt 10 days on, 10 days off. Or three days on, three days off. Whatever, just to survive through it because it does get painful and you feel lousy and fatigued with all the die off. Some of my areas are invisible to the eye also, I feel the itch, and then I know it's there.
So anyway, I feel for you Brigid, but keep up the good work, it feels better to be working on it than to ignore it and hope it goes away, and let us know how you proceed. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 10/31/2010 : 08:21:29
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Originally posted by clearlake
Brigid, sounds like you're in the midst of the process! The yellow scabbing sounds so familiar to me. I wonder what that is. If we were dermatologists we could tell you. Sounds like you also have regular scabbing. I know it's upsetting because it's on your face and impacts your life so much. However, if it's any reassurance, know that if you stopped the application of petty spurge tomorrow, it amazingly will heal up and won't leave too much of a trace. The cancer won't be gone, but you will return to your normal state.
As to how long to use it - we are all guinea pigs sharing our experiences here, wish there were more hard data to tell you. I'm glad to hear you are continuing on with the application as I don't think one or two days is going to cut it. I think it works faster on a lesion that's newer and shallower. That would be common sense. That's the line newspaper articles about checking for skin cancer take also. I've used it 2x for 10 weeks straight on large areas, and I saw some improvement, but I got tired of it after awhile and stopped for a break.
I've been thinking of working on my own upper lip area, nose again, and thinking that this time I might attempt 10 days on, 10 days off. Or three days on, three days off. Whatever, just to survive through it because it does get painful and you feel lousy and fatigued with all the die off. Some of my areas are invisible to the eye also, I feel the itch, and then I know it's there.
So anyway, I feel for you Brigid, but keep up the good work, it feels better to be working on it than to ignore it and hope it goes away, and let us know how you proceed.
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Brigid
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Posted - 10/31/2010 : 09:46:00
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Thank you so much to Thanks 01 and ClearLake for your replies. ClearLake, did you use the sap twice a day or trwice a week for 10 weeks? It didn’t occur to me before I started using the sap to reply to other people’s experiences with it, b/c I thought I had nothing to offer. But all of our posts mean a lot and are different from friends’ support since we’ve been there. We all have something to contribute-----even if it’s uncertainty. Since we’re all experimenting, everyone’s experience with the PS is important. We’re each others’ guides, guineas and reporters.
Progressing: On day #13 today. Took 2 days off. Large thin skin flap (scab) has lifted away from SCC/BCC tumor site. I cut some off to put sap under it. Underneath there’s another small scab over what I think might be the deepest area of the tumor. It erupted as a little red dot surrounded by white skin many months ago. There were 2 of these. There’s deep pain when I put a little pressure on it, as opposed to stinging or burning elsewhere. I’m pretty sure that the sap hasn’t gotten it out yet, or there probably wouldn’t be the nerve involvement. .
Am treating 4 areas at once on face. I know there are 1 or 2 more b/c they itch, though there’s nothing visible. The itching on the side of my nostril where I aplied sap was a sign of that the tumor had spread there from above my lip. It’s once continuous scab. Again, no visible sign. After only 2 applications of sap near nostril, a pretty thick scab has formed. Rest of areas also scabbed.
Scabs: I moisten the scabs with washcloth and hot water a couple of times a day. After a week, the scabs got thicker so it takes longer to soften them. I also use herbal All Heal Salve (Wiseways), which has no preservatives, additives, or fragrance and is soothing. It contains plantain, calendula, etc. It helps keep discomfort down and keeps the skiin elastic. Can smile a little but not much. The area is about impossible to keep an airtight bandage on, but the salve stays on all night uncovered. Then I wash it off before applying sap, so sap can penetrate.
Doc’s input:Went to holistic doc who hadn’t heard of PS. She looked a bit horrified (It’s Halloween, why not?) and was worried by the inflammation. But when I asked her whether I should use anti-inflammatory foods and herbs, she said no. She said about oozing that it’s not a sign of cancer cells releasing; they can release without oozing and a regular cut can ooze. (I’ve had very little oozing even before using the salve.) But eating a good amount of ginger helped the burning (anti-inflammatory.) And a piece of pie last night upped the itching and stingng this morning. Sugar is a powerful poison. Do we want to encourage the inflammation? Is this necessary? I want to know b/c if I can keep the discomfort down, I can treat longer and hopefully get the old tumor OUT.
Thought/question about recurrences: People:have posted that it takes about a month for skin cells to migrate from the bottom to the top. But the skin cancer can be present under the skin long before it’s visible. So the derms say. I believe it b/c my 2 1/2 year old tumor didn’t visibly erupt in other places (nearby) for well over a year. What was your experience with this?
Question about scarring: Has anyone found bad scarring from multiple treatments with the sap in the same areas?
Look forward to your posts.
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zenitb
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 13:49:00
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Originally posted by Brigid
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Originally posted by clearlake
Brigid, sounds like you're in the midst of the process! The yellow scabbing sounds so familiar to me. I wonder what that is. If we were dermatologists we could tell you. Sounds like you also have regular scabbing. I know it's upsetting because it's on your face and impacts your life so much. However, if it's any reassurance, know that if you stopped the application of petty spurge tomorrow, it amazingly will heal up and won't leave too much of a trace. The cancer won't be gone, but you will return to your normal state.
As to how long to use it - we are all guinea pigs sharing our experiences here, wish there were more hard data to tell you. I'm glad to hear you are continuing on with the application as I don't think one or two days is going to cut it. I think it works faster on a lesion that's newer and shallower. That would be common sense. That's the line newspaper articles about checking for skin cancer take also. I've used it 2x for 10 weeks straight on large areas, and I saw some improvement, but I got tired of it after awhile and stopped for a break.
I've been thinking of working on my own upper lip area, nose again, and thinking that this time I might attempt 10 days on, 10 days off. Or three days on, three days off. Whatever, just to survive through it because it does get painful and you feel lousy and fatigued with all the die off. Some of my areas are invisible to the eye also, I feel the itch, and then I know it's there.
So anyway, I feel for you Brigid, but keep up the good work, it feels better to be working on it than to ignore it and hope it goes away, and let us know how you proceed.
The yellow scabbing that several folks mentioned; I believe that the clear 'ooze' hardens into this type of scab. To remove the scabs and reapply PS, I used a cotton ball soaked with peroxide. A little dabbing and circular movement would lift a scab in less than a minute |
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Brigid
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 21:12:04
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Thanks, Zentib, for your post about preventing scabs.
My immune system is taxed from all the sap and I've been getting symptoms. Am supporting immune system and liver with exercise/rest, diet, and supplements. Considering stopping unless I feel better within the next few days, although want to continue the two new sites on nostrils where I started. Body wants to rest and heal. But don't want to stop when I'm almost there.
Have done 10 applications on the SCC/BCC tumor site & eruptions over 17 days. The puffiness is down, which is great news. It's been puffy for months. Then again, a second much smaller scab formed under the first big one which fell off, so I can't be 100% sure, but it looks like all the swelling is gone. This would be a huge relief!
A relatively new spot above another part of my lip blistered down into the red skin of the lip, oozed, scabbed, and then the scab fell off. It behaved well! Now there’s a tiny T-shaped scar. I feel like the site is healed, though it's too soon to know.
I'm treating 6-8 sites in all above lip and on nose, depending on how I count them. I just started two places on each nostril. Looking back, I wouldn't treat so many spots at once again. Trying homeopathic belladonna for pain relief since scrip pain meds make me sick. I’ve also been taking 1, 2 or 3 days off in between applications lately. Luckily the sap either penetrated what's left of the scabs, or I applied it on adjacent clean skin.
Treating my nose, even as far down as the nostrils, my eyes sting. I'm careful not to touch my eyes when the sap is on, but it's powerful. For some reason, the skin further up my nose where the glasses sit, and where I *didn't* apply sap has gotten sensitive.
Still, this tx is said to be a lot less painful than bloodroot, and less scarring, and I'm grateful to have a relationship with the plants. How often have I popped pills or swallowed herbal stuff without having a clue about what the plant looked like, or anything about it beyond its name, if the substance wasn't synthesized in a lab. Big thanks to everyone who's made this site available and posted on it.
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Gabby
21 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 13:19:31
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Brigid,
Thanks for your posting the progress of your treatment. I have several PS sprouts that I transplanted three weeks ago, and set outside since weather has cooled off. They have really taken off as to putting out new leaves.
We are about to get some frost, so I suppose i will either bring them in or cover them. Do you, or anyone else know about their hardiness in cold weather. They clearly do not mind temps in the 40's or high 30's at night. I have them up against the house on the east side out on the deck behind the house.
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 14:11:06
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| Petty spurge (euphorbia peplus) is frost-tolerant to about 20 degrees fahrenheit but once you start getting down close to that you might want to at least pull them up on a porch where they'll be sheltered overhead from it. In the UK, petty spurge is classified as a "winter weed"-- meaning it grows all winter long -- so that gives you some idea of how much cold it can stand and still not only survive, but thrive. They do get some frost, but don't get real hard freezes there like here. |
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Gabby
21 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 14:46:20
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WR,
Thanks. We rarely get temps below 20degrees F., but if it is going to get below that, I will huddle the pots against the house and cover them up. They are really happy to be outdoors.
Best to you. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 15:14:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Gabby
Brigid,
Thanks for your posting the progress of your treatment. I have several PS sprouts that I transplanted three weeks ago, and set outside since weather has cooled off. They have really taken off as to putting out new leaves.
We are about to get some frost, so I suppose i will either bring them in or cover them. Do you, or anyone else know about their hardiness in cold weather. They clearly do not mind temps in the 40's or high 30's at night. I have them up against the house on the east side out on the deck behind the house.
Thanks again, B.
When I put my plants out at night in the low 30s, a couple of leaves on 3 of the plants started to turn yellow, and probably would have dropped. So I don't leave them outside at night when it's in the mid or low 30s. Sounds like other people have more cold-tolerant plants. Most plants are hardier the more time they spend outside, and mine haven't been out very much lately. But they're all full-grown (7-10" tall and some are 8-9" wide), so they're probably as hardy as they're going to get. |
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annieh
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 06:59:22
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Has anyone used petty spurge on the scalp?
And if so, how much and how many applications did you try?
I ask because I am considering using it on my scalp, but am nervous to do so. It is in the area that had a bcc cut out of it (this post relates to my ongoing story at http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=748)
What concerns me is that the nature of the skin / scalp might provide a very readily transmissible environment for the petty spurge sap to travel -- as it tends to -- systemically beyond the point of application. What if it REALLY travels -- like far and wide around my head, or into my head. |
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annieh
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 07:19:00
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quote:
A post by Kanga re
Euphorbia Peplus - Systemic and or side effects?
reads in part:
> Also do any users report any other possible side affects of the treatment, as it appears from my observation that substances from the sap can enter the bloodstream and could therefore cause other systemic side effects?
> In particular has any user noted any psychological effects such as acute anxiety, mood alteration, or depression when using the treatment? I appreciate that any such observations may make a very tenuous connection with the treatment, but not a lot is known about the effects of this "drug".
Kanga, after using petty spurge a lot in the past few months, I can say for sure that for me, during the days of using it, I feel very tired.
Perhaps the tiredness is due to all my body's efforts going into my immune system that is working overtime to work on the skin cancers that have been "highlighted" by the petty spurge.
Because of the fatigue I feel when using it, I only use petty spurge for three days at a time, max, and then have some rest days before continuing the treatment. (I learned to do this from reading these forums).
I also wonder if the way I feel is due to other substances in the petty spurge plant, that my body is reacting to as if to a toxin; OR I wonder if it is the variation in sap quality from one plant to another, or the time of day it is picked making the sap stronger/weaker ... |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 08:22:55
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| Brigid, thanks for your careful description of what is occurring as you use P.S. "Treating my nose, even as far down as the nostrils, my eyes sting. I'm careful not to touch my eyes when the sap is on, but it's powerful." I am very interested in how far and wide the effects of P.S. are when you use it on the face, protection of the eyes being critical for this plant's sap. Someday I may be using P.S. on my own face, but I am watching reports on this forum before attempting this. Here you indicate applying P.S. even far out on the nose might affect the eyes. I am grateful to you and many others for these insightful descriptions. |
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 11:33:37
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I used it on the back of my scalp. Other than having to awkwardly use a mirror to accurately apply that tiny dripping dot of PS off the cut-off stem it doesn't seem to have been a different experience from what has been described here in other areas. As far as migrating to other locations, yes, I find it will go maybe an inch or two away and "light up" any abnormalities that might be there, whether they are BCC or just some pre-cancerous cells. As far as penetrating deep into my head, boring a hole in my brain, or anything like that, No.
An earlier poster on this thread "SoFl" really did the groundbreaking personal-guinea-pig studies with PS. SoFl used it on the forehead, which is pretty much scalp-like. Check his postings on page 1 of this thread @ 3/27/2009 and esp 3/29/2009. (later ones, too.) They are an excellent tutorial on what to do and what to expect. My scalp experience pretty much parallels what he got on the forehead. I used it for ~ 5 days @2X and then stopped. After it healed up I had one tiny remaining hot spot that looked suspicious so I hit that spot again for another few days then stopped. Others have gotten good results from long term use over a period of weeks. The correct duration of PS application is one of those things that hasn't been nailed down yet. One year later now, no recurrence and the small crater-like divot formed by the action of the PS has pretty much filled in. Nevertheless, I keep a crop of PS growing on my patio for the just-in-case, if/when scenarios. Your mileage may vary. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 19:14:55
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Thanks O1, I’m really glad to know that you've found what I've shared useful.
Re applying sap: I take the bead of sap off the branch with the smooth tip of a metal nail file. So far none has fallen off. It's easy to keep flat until I apply it. It's also thin enough and has a convenient pointed tip to lift scabs in the process of loosening, but the point isn't sharp. You can lift a scab with one nail file, and apply sap with a second one. I wash them after each use.
Annieh, I wouldn't worry about its eating through the bone. The head bones are thick and tough. Just wash your hands after each application, and either wash the sap off your scalp at night or cover the area to avoid scratching it in your sleep and then rubbing your eyes. If you wear a hat without a back or front, careful not to get the part of the hat that’s been in contact with the sap anywhere near your eyes. |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 18:13:42
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Copied by Thanks01 from forum thread on Garlic: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=784#3340
I did some looking on Papillomafree and it seems to use extract of the plant Celadonium majus, known as Greater Celandine. Since I have some of this in my garden (imported as a poison ivy cure, but not too useful for that), I'll be looking more into this along with my other favorites. I intend to follow up on this. Greater Celandine may deserve a forum thread of its own. We'll see. Thanks to Osia for bringing this into the discussion.
I have no idea yet whether this plant works for skin cancer but my reading so far indicates that it is GENTLE ON THE EYES. This assertion also needs some more work.
My point is that this is a new plant, not so far discussed on the forum, easily available, and possibly not harmful to the eyes. I plan to follow up on this as time goes by.
This info was first posted to the forum by a user in the Garlic thread and I want to bring it to everyone's attention. |
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 17:18:31
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yes it's my understanding that peplin who was in stage III clinical trials with the patented petty spurge extract was acquired by a large drug company. As I said, I think they are now just sitting on the patent and I don't believe there is any timetable for a drug coming to market. Someone correct me if you know more on that.
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake
I was also just reading that Peplin who was working to bring this to market in Australia was acquired by another firm, so I have no idea when the product will actually be in the market. Maybe it's been iced until some patents run out.
SOFL, what do you mean by this? Has Peplin been gobbled up by the competition or Big Pharma in order to make them go away, with the product never going to market?
SOFL, you are such a great healer! You do a great job on yourself. I live in South Florida also.
Hey everyone here, I have a problem, would appreciate some feedback. I've had a history of superficial BCC on area between lip and nose. Treated with Aldara multiple times, didn't work. Had Moh's surgery there which left a scar, then I felt the cancer returning and used more Aldara just to see if something was going on (this was before Petty Spurge). Using the Aldara revealed another bad spot on the other side of area between lip and nose, and this spot was doing a sneaky journey across the upper lip area back to the original spot. I experimented with using bloodroot on both areas; the bloodroot lit up pretty good in both spots and left a significant disfiguring scar on the first spot where it ate into the Moh's scar, pulling my lip up into a sneer in the process. (Sorry, graphic)
I tried petty spurge on these areas, and really the whole center of my face it lit up plenty. I really did too large an area and could not sustain. Also, that original Moh's/disfigurement area just seemed so deep and it was painful. I quit, thinking I would get back to it. But it's just such a visible area to be experimenting on, and too painful, as I said. Meanwhile, my lips are getting flaky and bleed if I pull off the peel.
I decided to break down and go to the dermatologist, a new one. This guy seems top of the line, head of the skin cancer center, went to an ivy league medical school. When I showed him my face, he was very angry that I used topicals and said I couldn't be his patient if I continued to do that because he is against that kind of thing. He wouldn't biopsy 2 places I wanted him to (my arm! remember the pictures of my arm y'all!), but he did do 2 punch biopsies in the area of the original Moh's scar/now disfigurement. I have stitches in 2 places. Adding to my scar collection.
Anyway, they just called me from the clinic with biopsy results. They said they were negative, just scar tissue. What am I to make of this? I will get my stitches out Friday and see this derm, but . . . what about my lips and how I can feel the creepy crawly itchy ever spreading to around my nose, etc? What about the fireworks every time I use a topical? Do I believe them or believe in me? I never expected this negative biopsy result!! Any insight?
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 18:20:42
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I just logged in to give a treatment update and document some new procedures.
First of all, I have now treated 20 or more lesions on myself and my dad, some of which were recurrences of previously biopsied and surgically removed bcc and scc. He is 82 and has a history of skin cancer.
I have had a couple of recurrences of spots treated with PS, and upon re treatment they are now gone. I attribute the recurrence to under treatment. There have been times when enough sap was hard to come by. I am going on about 2 years for the first things I treated with no recurrence.
I have no further need to experiment with other treatments. The PS is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more effective than any other treatment I've used prior to finding PS (from surgery to efudex to solaraze to aldara to almost every treatment on this board). Honestly, I don't know how it could work any better of more effectively. I say that because it's fairly quick, relatively painless and has a good end result on me. I have treated my head, lip, eye socket, nose, arms, legs, torso with it. In particular, my lower lip was a painful problem for YEARS and nothing ever cured it. I bit the bullet about a year ago and tried it on my lip. Since that time I feel like I have a new lip. No problems in a year for the first time in 15 years. Previously my lip had surgery (SCC), efudex several times, and solaraze. None of it worked except briefly (6 months or so). Now it feels and looks great.
So I've settled on a "standard" treatment which is very effective for me. It probably tends more to overtreatment rather than undertreatment. I snip one leaf at the base with sharp scissors and wait for the sap to come out of the still attached stem, and let it flow onto a flat bladed dental tool. It is a very small amount that flows onto the tool. I'd guess about 1/4 the size of an average water droplet. I make sure the skin is clean and dry because it absorbs better that way.
I then apply the sap directly to the suspect area, and I cover the area with the leaf I snipped off and a round band aid to top it off.
If the spot is larger I'll use the sap from 2 leafs or the extract from a large leaf if I have one.
I keep it covered for 24 hours, shower, rub off any dead skin and do it again.
By the third day, usually what happens when using this "turbo" treatment is that the area I suspect is cancer now has a deep irregular pit, while the surrounding skin may be severely irritated or maybe even sloughing off the top layer, the PS has targeted the lesion. So the point here is that I have settled on treating a larger area than is visible. I feel that way it also gets any sub clinical areas that I didn't know were there.
Depending on the area under treatment, on the third or fourth day I may do the leaf/band aid combo or after a good shower and scrubbing I may just apply the sap to the area that is now typically a deeper pit that has been identified and targeted.
If I don't use the leaf I put it in a dropper bottle full of distilled water I keep in the refrigerator. This tincture is like a weakened version of the sap, and sometimes(almost always now) I apply that as insurance as it's healing. I get the tincture so it's almost solid thick with leaves...a lot of leaves, not that much water. I smash the leaves up a little using a tool while inside the bottle. I use an artists paint brush to put the liquid on. If I have a plant that is ready but I have no use for it, I put it in the bottle before it dies because after they shoot off their seeds, they die.
After the third or 4th day, I have enough experience with it now to know if I'm done or if I just want to continue with the sap and no band aid. Using this method, usually the PS has gone deep if it needed to and there is a scab forming. I feel that if the area under treatment forms a quick scab, it's a sign that it's normal tissue and also treating on top of a scab is not effective. I want to be sure I've gotten down as deep as the bad cells go, and after that I'm done. Used in this way with the leaf and band aid, the PS seems to be extremely toxic and fast acting on the suspect cells. The duration depends on where also. Arms and legs longest, head fastest. As a general rule 7-10 days of treatment on the arms and legs and 3-4 on the face and head for me but I've used it enough now that I can tell. I always try to over treat rather than under treat and have used it continuously while an area healed on my leg near my ankle.
I'm currently treating two spots on my arm that recently popped up. I would guess early scc because i've had enough to know what they look and feel like. It has gone deep on one and not as deep on the other smaller one, and the treatment is almost over after 3 days. I'll do one more day of sap with no band aid after a shower, then just use the tincture as it heals up.
I recently experimented with a flat mole on my shoulder (I have a lot of moles) that was starting to spread out some spidery like arms. I didn't like the look of it, I saw a picture of an early melanoma that looked similar. So as an experiment I used the PS on it for a week. My thinking was that if I made it worse or it didn't work, then I'd go see a professional. It didn't look deep or anything and had been that way for a while. I have so many moles and freckles it's impossible to count them all.
So that was about 3 months ago, and today it's the best looking spot on my body. It took out the mole, the spidery look, and it's all clear white skin and you can't even tell anything was ever there. I wish my whole body looked like that. It was an amazing result. My wife works in a dermatologists office and she was amazed. I'm amazed. That was the first and only time so far I've used it on a mole and I know I'm not supposed to do that according to the professionals. All I'm doing is stating what I did, and what happened, in the name of science, or bush doctoring or something.
So I would just like to add a disclaimer that I'm basically experimenting on myself and documenting it here. I'm not suggesting what any one else should do.
I was as desperate and lost as everyone else prior to finding the PS because nothing from the DM worked well and I always had to keep re treating. I'm not claiming to be any kind of doctor or expert either.
I'm a guy that has had a lot of problems with skin cancer and has found a solution that works for me. That said, I can't say enough good about how well PS is working for me. It has literally changed my life. After dreading regular DM visits every six months and a few things cut off every time (I've had melanoma, BCC and SCC) and living in fear, I haven't been there in over 2 years now and I doubt I will ever go again. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do that. I have now successfully treated and resolved (longest non returning about 2 years now) every suspicious area on my body and anytime anything new pops up, it now gets the treatment straight away. Since I keep a stock growing, it's free, it's far more effective on me than anything he had to offer(in my own estimation), relatively painless and no big deal any more. That's no hype, no bs, just my own experience. The PS cures scar free or nearly scar free for me. The only evidence on my body now of skin cancer are stitches and scars from the DM. I make no recommendations and no promises. I don't suggest anyone else experiment on themselves like I'm doing. What you do to yourself is at your own risk, just like me. I could be harming myself in a million different ways I don't even know about, I suppose. I do however feel compelled to share my experience because I know how desperate I was for something that really worked. Maybe it doesn't work this way for everyone, I have no way of knowing. I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.
on the plants....
The plants do like cold weather. They are impossible to grow outdoors in south florida in the summer (they sprout but remain in a dwarf state then die) but they do ok in the winter. They like cold weather. Freezing temps (25-30F) and frost are no problem. They actually seem to thrive in that kind of weather of 30 degree mornings and highs in the 60's. I know this because I have grown them or jump started them in pots in a cold climate. They don't like full sun. Full sun will kill them. I have some growing very well right now outside in the shade of a plumeria tree. I jump started them outside with temps below freezing.
They naturally grow in disturbed soil and they like soil that contains a lot of aeration...foam, mulch, etc when grown in a pot. they do not like rich thick compacted soil or sand. They like disturbed soil. I have pretty much confirmed that now by trial and error. My best pot has a lot of foam and a lot of mulch bark mixed in with some potting soil that had foam balls in it. I give them one drop of liquid plant food mixed in with about 20 oz of water when I water them.
Last...I have never felt any systemic effects of any kind....ever. I used it once on a small spot about 3/8 of an inch from my eyeball, and I did feel a little irritation around my eye but no systemic effect. I was very careful not to get any in my eye and used many precautions in that treatment...which was a recurrence of something which had previously been surgically removed. It's gone now. The first time I used it on my forehead I had slight swelling about the size of a silver dollar but no pain and no systemic effect.
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 00:35:04
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quote:
Originally posted by lonewolf1218
I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.
The problem is it's too hot. If they don't get enough cold weather at night, they remain dwarves and then die. I learned that through trial and error. You may be able to grow them inside, or outside during winter in those areas. |
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 11:34:58
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Experimental observations on potency:
The sap from a given plant seems to have the same potency regardless of where on the plant it's extracted from. The lower leaves just off the main stem seem to have the most sap. Also, the plants seem to give off the most sap before they make and drop their seeds. After they drop their seeds, they will slowly die. I had one or two plants which had 2 seed productions, but mostly they die after they make their seeds. The seed pods "explode" in hot weather, throwing the seeds potentially a few feet away from the plant.
On a given plant, if you try to extract from it every day, the amount of sap you get is reduced. If you clip a leaf on a branch and get sap, leave that branch alone for a day or more.
If a plant is dying, it will have little sap production, but it is still potent.
some plants seem to be more potent than others. the most potent plant I had was a scraggly plant that had struggled to survive but it was a very deep green color with very dark red stems. When the plant matures, the stems go from green to red. You want to see the stems turning red and thickening up, otherwise the plant may remain in a dwarf state. Cold weather kick starts them into the mature phase.
The most potent action is from the sap, but the leaves are also potent. Following is my ranking of potency for treatments from strongest to weakest
1.) sap covered with leaf covered with band aid
2.) sap covered with band aid
3.) sap uncovered
4.) leaf covered
5.) tincture made from plant stems and leaves crushed in water covered
6.) tincture uncovered
On my body, a site will heal completely while still applying the tincture, but on the other end of the spectrum, you will still get some amount of reaction with the #1 even if the bad cells have already been wiped out. For me this also depends on where on the body it is. My legs for example are resistant to full strength sap, on the nose or head, not as much.
quote:
Originally posted by Brigid
If you’ve used petty spurge, please reply. I'm on day 5 of applying the sap to a 2 1/2 year old twofer one squamous/ basal cell tumor above my upper lip. The area puffed up more from the sap, got a little red and developed a thin scab that I pulled off a few times and kept covered with a poultice of the crushed leaves and a band-aid. The scab was not on the whole puffy area, it was just on 2 tiny red eruptions that popped up 8 months ago. Nor did the whole puffy area turn red. Now it’s red but no oozing yet. There's also a strip of bumpy, non-puffy inflamed skin about the length & width of band-aid adhesive that extends from the original site to the crease at the end of my mouth (smile line.) There's no similar irritated area on the other side, so it’s not from the band-aid adhesive. I guess its either a surface reaction to the spurge or more cancer there that was under the skin. When I tried the spurge on a spot on my hand, nothing happened, so it’s probably not an allergic reaction. I put the crushed leaves poultice on 1 - 3 X/day and sap once or twice a day, but not much is happening other than stinging, redness, scabbing (which I’m trying to keep off) and rash-like stinging area I described. There’s some deeper pain at one of the eruption sites when I put pressure on it.
Where’s the oozing that will get the cancer OUT? Is oozing a sign that the cancer’s leaving, or can it leave without that? I hope someone knows the answer to that...
On the other side of the lip, above it, a new spot I treated blistered up, onto the red skin of the lip and there are some little white bumps, similar to what Marcie described. I also treated one AK on my nose that got red, but no pain there. Yea!
My face is reacting only on the exact spots where I apply the sap: it’s not spreading. Why hasn't it spread over the whole puffy area above my lip since that's clearly from the tumor? (It was a little puffy for some months before I applied the sap.) Wondering if my plants have weak sap? Is it important to take the sap from the main stem? But that reduces the # of times you can use a plant, while if you take it from the smaller branches at the top, you can use the same plant many more times. Still I’ve taken some main stem sap, too.
Like other people, I'm trying to conserve the plants: I have 4 or 5 other spots ony my face to treat. Do you think the sap in the little branches at the top is weaker than the sap in the main stem? Of course there’s less sap in them. Or is it possible that the tumor is somehow partly dead or encased? Also, does anyone know whether the clear watery sap you get from pinching a recently cut stem is potent? I assumed less so than the white sap. Please reply if you have any experience with this or know about apoptosis, etc.....
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marsha
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 13:17:58
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| SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas? |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 21:29:06
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These recent posts are all very interesting. Today I visited the basement where I had put the PS plants in a south sunny window when freezing weather threatened. We have no heat on yet in the basement and it must be 40-50 degrees there. The plants were doing the best ever.
I know that SoFl put in some details about the treatment near the eye, which seems to have come off successfully with no "leakage" into the eye or possible eye damage. However, I would be interested to hear more such details from SoFl and others, since "near the eye" is my main concern right now. I have been growing the PS, but not using it out of fear for negative effects on the eye. Thanks to all for the great descriptive posts on "how-to" and results. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2010 : 09:34:31
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Marsha, Isn't Vitamin E also a preservative?
SoFi, great to read your summary of the plant parts potency. What about agents that will carry substances into the skin--besides DMSO and coconut oil. Any suggestions?
Yesterday was day 30 after using the petty spurge sap. I remembered SoFi's advice to cover it and did during part of the first week, but it's difficult to bandage over the lip, so I gave up except at night, when I covered it so as not to rub it and possibly rub my eyes. The crushed leaves in water stung almost as much as the sap itself.
The good news first: The white bumps have completely disappeared, and the skin on tip of nose and above lip is fresh and new, still pink but not too noticeable. The area at the crease of the nostrils took a long time to lose their scabs, but now there's just fresh smooth new skin. There's still very occasional itching on one side there. The original tumor site above lip is no longer puffy, which I think is probably a very good sign. There's now a little area at the tumor eruption site which is "outlined" with a fine oval-shaped crease. My hope is that the has shrunk to just this area. It's not gone yet.
I'm going to apply another round of sap next month, viewing it as plant chemo. This time I won't try to tackle all my spots at once. Since I believe it got rid of 2 AKs, I'm just going to do the nostrils and encased area.
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opalxx
11 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2010 : 03:08:06
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quote:
Originally posted by thanks01
I am very eager to try the Petty Spurge. But at the moment my plants are extremely "petty" or SMALL. I planted the seeds in potting soil, rather than just garden dirt, but they are not taking to it the way most plants do. Perhaps it's just the lousy "perpetual spring" weather of gray and rain that we had for 3 months. I'm still hoping for some leaves to pick and some flowers and seeds, before fall.
Petty Spurge, Capsaicin, and also, still, Pancreatin (in skin cream) are my favorite 3 right now. As for Eggplant, I make sure to EAT it, not using it topically right now. My main trouble with myself is that I am back to that "glass of wine," which is bad for the Candida. I am enjoying it and wishing I did not.
Best to all.
Hi. I have been trying petty spurge on my bcc which is about the size of a thumbnail. I bought 2 plants from our local market and it grows quite well here in sub-tropical Queensland Australia. I think the biggest problem is that it would take a lot of sap to treat a large bcc and the sap obtained from a stem is very small. I can see it may be very usefull on a small sunspot but on a large tumour we may be struggling. I have been thinking of pulverising a whole plant to get enough gunk to smear on my bcc. I have been experimenting with different plants as well and it appears that most of the successful treatments come from different species of euphorbia. My bcc has flattened out and is not as pronounced as it was. I have the black salve (cansema) and have been very wary of the potent properties of it and the damage it may cause. What i did was apply a touch to a small part of my bcc to see what would happen. I washed it off after about 4 hours. It formed a scab and i applied tea tree oil as an antiseptic. The scab came off after a few days so i proceeded doing another small area with the same results. I am now waiting for the hard dry skin to flake off to see the results. Will keep in touch. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 11/21/2010 : 10:05:18
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Opalxx,
No need to cut stems. I wrecked a whole plant that way. Others on this forum, including myself, have just used the bead of sap from cutting a leaf off its tiny stem. SoFi in his last post mentions that the larger leaves toward the bottom of the plant have more sap. That was my experience too. I also had a VERY large area to cover—and found that 4 - 7 beads of sap were necessary to cover it all. Sometimes I used a poultice of mashed leaves & water since the area was so big. One bead of sap spreads, and I found that if I continued using as much as 7 beads a day, the stinging and systemic effects were difficult.
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SoFl
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 14:20:56
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ok let me try to help on this along with some similar questions below.
Your mixture in the juicer is the same thing as what I called the tincture.
From my experience there is no substitute for the pure sap.
The pure sap has almost like a solvent base. It's runnier than water and evaporates fast. Due to that, it is absorbed very quickly and completely into the skin. So aside from the fact that the pure sap is stronger I think it also goes deeper. I believe that to cure a lesion the sap ultimately has to be delivered to within about .1 mm of the lowest affected skin layer or it will regrow. On an area I treated on my leg, it went close to 3mm deep. In every lesion I've treated, the ps ate wider and deeper than what was visible.
On the sap, when you get the conditions right, the plants grow quickly. So if I have something large, I just grow a lot of plants prior to treatment
here in sofl the winter is the only time cool enough so I grow a lot in pots and I try to get everything done in winter and spring. Again, if your plants remain dwarves, the aren't getting enough cool weather. These plants only thrive with cold nights . Last year I had one dwarf double in size 2 days after a 40 degree night. Lows in 30s highs in 60s or low 70s is perfect. Once they have reached the adult stage cool weather isn't as critical.
On the lip.
When I treated my lower lip I used sap applied with an artists brush last thing before bed going under the idea I'd be less likely to swallow any that way. I did not cover it. I think I treated for 4 or 5 days. It wasn't a day at the beach but far more tolerable than 14 days of efudex and this worked. I'm not sure if I swallowed any sap or not but I suffered no I'll effects.
I would also like to document this about the lip. Scc on the lip hurts. When I applied the ps, I had instant relief from the pain. So the initial treatments actually felt good.
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Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
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clearlake
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 14:32:40
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Thanks for all the invaluable information SoFL! I always always get so upbeat when I read your posts and we appreciate you sticking with it and keeping us informed. I'm going to go back to my lip area after Thanksgiving, you've inspired me!
Question for you: you've mentioned in previous posts about getting on lesions early and right away using the PS. You've mentioned wanting to take care of problems while they are small. Just what is your tip off visually for a possible problem area or lesion (that's still small)? |
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2010 : 15:01:39
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I'm glad I can share my experiences.
What I've found is that if you have a problem with skin cancer, you get to learn a lot about your own skin, what skin cancer looks and feels like on your own skin, how it progresses, and then what to do. Especially having it on the lip which is very sensitive, you learn a lot about it...for example, on me skin cancer seems to flare up in the evenings. On some of mine, they would hurt a little bit in the evenings and look inflamed, but when I woke up in the mornings no pain and reduced redness in the early stages of something.
The last derm I used to go to before I fired him said if something changes and doesn't resolve itself after about 6 months, he'd want to treat it. Almost always, those treatments whether surgery or cream were ineffective and re treatment was required later on. Usually the re treatment failed then his protocol was just to hack off a huge area and stitch it up for a nice Frankenstein looking scar.
So if I have something that changes, first of all I don't freak out. I think people in general are too freaked out about skin cancer. I used to be in that category when I was forced to rely on the professionals who in my opinion are like clueless fear mongering barbarians who think they're god and you are a fool. Anyway they are not highly regarded in my book and that is based on having dealt with many. If you go to one having done any sort of self treatment, the first thing they are going to do is ridicule you up and down and they might not even want to treat you or take you as a patient although they are "practicing" the "art" of medicine on you.
My dad has had a horrible time with skin cancer and he's 82, and has no health issues at all related to skin cancer. Like myself, he has had every type of skin cancer. He also relies exclusively on PS now.
So I'll usually give it a month or two to resolve, and if it doesn't, on goes the PS. How big of a deal is it to wear a band aid for a few days? I get worse scrapes and cuts out gardening than the ps treatment. So at this time I see myself keeping these plants growing for the rest of my life, and just using it in that way each time something pops up. Meanwhile, I'm living my life. I'm not dwelling on it because there's no point, especially when I have something that works and works effectively.
If I treat something, I give it a few months to settle down, and if there's any indication I didn't get it all, I retreat. I had to retreat a confirmed bcc on my head. After a couple of months, near the periphery of where I treated, I noticed a little bit of new redness and a slight pain in the area at night. So I retreated, sure enough the PS went right for that spot and dug in...the overall treatment was much milder and now I consider that resolved after a year or so with nothing new popping up. That entire area on my head now is a little bit whiter than the surrounding skin, but you would never know I had anything ever there unless you closely examined my skin on my forehead.
They say that the skin cells migrate up from the bottom in a 30 day cycle. So if you didn't get it all, typically I know about it within 30 days as those bad cells migrate up from whatever layer they are being generated from. If I go 2 months or 60 days after I treat something and it stays gone and looks clean and benign, chances are (on me at least) it's gone for good.
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Originally posted by clearlake
Thanks for all the invaluable information SoFL! I always always get so upbeat when I read your posts and we appreciate you sticking with it and keeping us informed. I'm going to go back to my lip area after Thanksgiving, you've inspired me!
Question for you: you've mentioned in previous posts about getting on lesions early and right away using the PS. You've mentioned wanting to take care of problems while they are small. Just what is your tip off visually for a possible problem area or lesion (that's still small)?
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paul
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waverider
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 10:15:41
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" ... first of all I don't freak out. I think people in general are too freaked out about skin cancer."
Thank you for making that point, SoFl. I have a hard time giving advice re PS to friends/relatives, etc -- or even just describing my own experience with it -- because their inevitable knee-jerk response is, "But this is CANCER! The BIG C! You can't mess around with CANCER! You must do what the doctor says IMMEDIATELY."
Actually ... as long as it's not melanoma ... I believe I CAN mess around with skin cancer quite a bit. (And have.) Meaning: try different things, experiment, research alternatives. That's a reckless and revolutionary notion to many people, and I understand their reluctance: As long as the C-word is attached to anything, it's a powerful inducement to panic. But I've now got clear skin on my head, and the side of my nose, where over a year ago I had verified BCC. And I got it not by turning on the lights and sirens and rushing Code Blue into a surgical procedure. I got it by "messing around with cancer" and using (respectively) a weed growing in pots out on my patio, and a 99-cent bottle of vitamin C tablets I crunched up and liquified. I know many Drs -- and their patients -- aren't receptive to hearing about this, so I pretty much keep a low profile on the topic. That's what's so valuable about this forum, the truth can be brought out of the closet. That scandalous truth is, I believe, something as simple as PS is probably a cure for many/most cases. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 11/23/2010 : 18:03:41
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Thanks again SoFL - I'm with you on your weigh in on dermatologists. Unless they see something huge, deep, bloody and scary looking, they tell me "it's nothing" even when I swear there is a problem and I can feel it/see it at certain times. They seem to want to wait until it is something bigger, which just means, as you said, an inevitable road to surgery. Of course, this is Florida, and the dermatologists here do see a lot of skin cancer and are almost burnt out on it. One doctor told me he sees way, way, worse cases than mine. He said he wasn't worried about me at all! The doctors themselves are very pale and look like they avoid the sun fanatically.
I appreciate especially the feedback about how you are retreating, when, and why. I tend to be less methodical than you and panic when something continues to lurk, and get discouraged and give up. I need to patiently keep hitting my areas and give it time to resolve. We are all looking for that quick fix!
Of course it is so awkward treating the lips/face when that is what you show the public. That holds me back somewhat on these topicals because they do a great job of oozing, bleeding and pussing. I need to focus on smaller areas, for shorter lengths of time, and retreat as necessary to get these bad spots under control.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2010 : 23:37:35
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hi there....im trying to find the posts by SoF1 and cant find them..where do i look??
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Originally posted by RidgebackDogs
Hi dim!
Check further back in this thread there are posts from SoFl who talks about how he (she?) used the petty spurge - also there was someone from OZ that SoFl was in contact with about how to use it (by email on this forum i assume).
Any pix you could post of your treatment with Petty Spurge could only be a tremendous help to others! Thanks for your post and your contribution. Hope the info above helps - you will have to go back to June posts and a little further or even use the search engine on the forum.
Good luck! you are in my prayers!
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 01:01:51
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hi there...if you are having trouble growing from seed, try soaking your seeds in a solution of 1 1/2 teaspoons of 3 percent hydrogen pyroxide to a cup of distilled water. You may find this makes all the difference. It makes the seeds far more vigorous and a more robust plant. judych
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Originally posted by thanks01
Anivoc,
Thanks for this. Can you post us the information on how to get this petty spurge solution so that we can try some? I am one of the ones who ordered seeds from Australia and had poor luck in growing them. As MiKe1 pointed out somewhere, the seeds appear to have suffered from radiation going through customs. My plants grew very poorly for a WEED and I consider this season lost on that count. However, I am interested to try this spurge. Thx.
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 03:35:52
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hi there SoFl... its great to read your posts... i finally found them and they have been really informative reading.
I currently have five bccs that ive dosed once with topical bloodroot on my upper chest. Do you think it would help for me to dose them now with petty surge?? we have copious amounts of it growing here in our garden..we had a gem without realizing it..lol..
Ive already used petty surge on my ear, there is a scaly patch there with slightly swollen tissue around it. ive used the sap about three times in two days. No pain, a little discolouration happening there now as i look at it.
What concerns me now really is the area around my bathers top line.. this is where the sun damage has hit me the greatest..and there are bccs through now as i said. Im currently taking internally bloodroot capsules to clean my system out. I think this is what started the reaction on my chest.
Would it be a good move to put some petty spurge on the bccs that are now showing an inflamed ring around the outside, a white ring and then a black pinhead centre??..one bcc that i have has a large amount of cancer tissue..dead because its white...in one cavity but it wont come out......will petty surge help this one do you think??
I dont know if we are able to put petty surge into a cavity that has formed with cancer inside.
Nothing seems to be straightforward at this point in time for me. I appreciate so much the information that you have shared here...its invaluable, more than you will know......judych
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Originally posted by SoFl
I just logged in to give a treatment update and document some new procedures.
First of all, I have now treated 20 or more lesions on myself and my dad, some of which were recurrences of previously biopsied and surgically removed bcc and scc. He is 82 and has a history of skin cancer.
I have had a couple of recurrences of spots treated with PS, and upon re treatment they are now gone. I attribute the recurrence to under treatment. There have been times when enough sap was hard to come by. I am going on about 2 years for the first things I treated with no recurrence.
I have no further need to experiment with other treatments. The PS is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more effective than any other treatment I've used prior to finding PS (from surgery to efudex to solaraze to aldara to almost every treatment on this board). Honestly, I don't know how it could work any better of more effectively. I say that because it's fairly quick, relatively painless and has a good end result on me. I have treated my head, lip, eye socket, nose, arms, legs, torso with it. In particular, my lower lip was a painful problem for YEARS and nothing ever cured it. I bit the bullet about a year ago and tried it on my lip. Since that time I feel like I have a new lip. No problems in a year for the first time in 15 years. Previously my lip had surgery (SCC), efudex several times, and solaraze. None of it worked except briefly (6 months or so). Now it feels and looks great.
So I've settled on a "standard" treatment which is very effective for me. It probably tends more to overtreatment rather than undertreatment. I snip one leaf at the base with sharp scissors and wait for the sap to come out of the still attached stem, and let it flow onto a flat bladed dental tool. It is a very small amount that flows onto the tool. I'd guess about 1/4 the size of an average water droplet. I make sure the skin is clean and dry because it absorbs better that way.
I then apply the sap directly to the suspect area, and I cover the area with the leaf I snipped off and a round band aid to top it off.
If the spot is larger I'll use the sap from 2 leafs or the extract from a large leaf if I have one.
I keep it covered for 24 hours, shower, rub off any dead skin and do it again.
By the third day, usually what happens when using this "turbo" treatment is that the area I suspect is cancer now has a deep irregular pit, while the surrounding skin may be severely irritated or maybe even sloughing off the top layer, the PS has targeted the lesion. So the point here is that I have settled on treating a larger area than is visible. I feel that way it also gets any sub clinical areas that I didn't know were there.
Depending on the area under treatment, on the third or fourth day I may do the leaf/band aid combo or after a good shower and scrubbing I may just apply the sap to the area that is now typically a deeper pit that has been identified and targeted.
If I don't use the leaf I put it in a dropper bottle full of distilled water I keep in the refrigerator. This tincture is like a weakened version of the sap, and sometimes(almost always now) I apply that as insurance as it's healing. I get the tincture so it's almost solid thick with leaves...a lot of leaves, not that much water. I smash the leaves up a little using a tool while inside the bottle. I use an artists paint brush to put the liquid on. If I have a plant that is ready but I have no use for it, I put it in the bottle before it dies because after they shoot off their seeds, they die.
After the third or 4th day, I have enough experience with it now to know if I'm done or if I just want to continue with the sap and no band aid. Using this method, usually the PS has gone deep if it needed to and there is a scab forming. I feel that if the area under treatment forms a quick scab, it's a sign that it's normal tissue and also treating on top of a scab is not effective. I want to be sure I've gotten down as deep as the bad cells go, and after that I'm done. Used in this way with the leaf and band aid, the PS seems to be extremely toxic and fast acting on the suspect cells. The duration depends on where also. Arms and legs longest, head fastest. As a general rule 7-10 days of treatment on the arms and legs and 3-4 on the face and head for me but I've used it enough now that I can tell. I always try to over treat rather than under treat and have used it continuously while an area healed on my leg near my ankle.
I'm currently treating two spots on my arm that recently popped up. I would guess early scc because i've had enough to know what they look and feel like. It has gone deep on one and not as deep on the other smaller one, and the treatment is almost over after 3 days. I'll do one more day of sap with no band aid after a shower, then just use the tincture as it heals up.
I recently experimented with a flat mole on my shoulder (I have a lot of moles) that was starting to spread out some spidery like arms. I didn't like the look of it, I saw a picture of an early melanoma that looked similar. So as an experiment I used the PS on it for a week. My thinking was that if I made it worse or it didn't work, then I'd go see a professional. It didn't look deep or anything and had been that way for a while. I have so many moles and freckles it's impossible to count them all.
So that was about 3 months ago, and today it's the best looking spot on my body. It took out the mole, the spidery look, and it's all clear white skin and you can't even tell anything was ever there. I wish my whole body looked like that. It was an amazing result. My wife works in a dermatologists office and she was amazed. I'm amazed. That was the first and only time so far I've used it on a mole and I know I'm not supposed to do that according to the professionals. All I'm doing is stating what I did, and what happened, in the name of science, or bush doctoring or something.
So I would just like to add a disclaimer that I'm basically experimenting on myself and documenting it here. I'm not suggesting what any one else should do.
I was as desperate and lost as everyone else prior to finding the PS because nothing from the DM worked well and I always had to keep re treating. I'm not claiming to be any kind of doctor or expert either.
I'm a guy that has had a lot of problems with skin cancer and has found a solution that works for me. That said, I can't say enough good about how well PS is working for me. It has literally changed my life. After dreading regular DM visits every six months and a few things cut off every time (I've had melanoma, BCC and SCC) and living in fear, I haven't been there in over 2 years now and I doubt I will ever go again. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do that. I have now successfully treated and resolved (longest non returning about 2 years now) every suspicious area on my body and anytime anything new pops up, it now gets the treatment straight away. Since I keep a stock growing, it's free, it's far more effective on me than anything he had to offer(in my own estimation), relatively painless and no big deal any more. That's no hype, no bs, just my own experience. The PS cures scar free or nearly scar free for me. The only evidence on my body now of skin cancer are stitches and scars from the DM. I make no recommendations and no promises. I don't suggest anyone else experiment on themselves like I'm doing. What you do to yourself is at your own risk, just like me. I could be harming myself in a million different ways I don't even know about, I suppose. I do however feel compelled to share my experience because I know how desperate I was for something that really worked. Maybe it doesn't work this way for everyone, I have no way of knowing. I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.
on the plants....
The plants do like cold weather. They are impossible to grow outdoors in south florida in the summer (they sprout but remain in a dwarf state then die) but they do ok in the winter. They like cold weather. Freezing temps (25-30F) and frost are no problem. They actually seem to thrive in that kind of weather of 30 degree mornings and highs in the 60's. I know this because I have grown them or jump started them in pots in a cold climate. They don't like full sun. Full sun will kill them. I have some growing very well right now outside in the shade of a plumeria tree. I jump started them outside with temps below freezing.
They naturally grow in disturbed soil and they like soil that contains a lot of aeration...foam, mulch, etc when grown in a pot. they do not like rich thick compacted soil or sand. They like disturbed soil. I have pretty much confirmed that now by trial and error. My best pot has a lot of foam and a lot of mulch bark mixed in with some potting soil that had foam balls in it. I give them one drop of liquid plant food mixed in with about 20 oz of water when I water them.
Last...I have never felt any systemic effects of any kind....ever. I used it once on a small spot about 3/8 of an inch from my eyeball, and I did feel a little irritation around my eye but no systemic effect. I was very careful not to get any in my eye and used many precautions in that treatment...which was a recurrence of something which had previously been surgically removed. It's gone now. The first time I used it on my forehead I had slight swelling about the size of a silver dollar but no pain and no systemic effect.
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Lily44
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 04:07:33
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Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins. |
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judych
31 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 05:04:22
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i have more questions for you Sofl... You mentioned that petty surge in your experience is better than using many other products...and im thinking of bloodroot paste right now.
Ive used it.. i know that it scarrs a lot. i have scarring on my face that i can do without.. that goes back five years. thats from bcc's being killed off by bloodroot paste.
I want to know a bit more about what happens when the petty spurge kills off the cancer.
AS you know, the bloodroot kills of the cancer cells and then pushes the ischar out of the body... what actually happens to the cancer site with the spurge??... ive not heard anyone mention any ischar or its removal from the site. ...so where does the cancer itself go??......
...Im thinking seriously now of changing over from bloodroot to petty spurge, especially as we have loads of it growing here... and it doesnt sound like it scarrs...
Like i said earlier though, im still on the bloodroot capsules...its a great detox.
Im hoping that the two wont clash..but i dont see how they can.
any info gratefully received. thank you for all your inputs here... its been really good. regards judych
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Originally posted by judych
hi there SoFl... its great to read your posts... i finally found them and they have been really informative reading.
I currently have five bccs that ive dosed once with topical bloodroot on my upper chest. Do you think it would help for me to dose them now with petty surge?? we have copious amounts of it growing here in our garden..we had a gem without realizing it..lol..
Ive already used petty surge on my ear, there is a scaly patch there with slightly swollen tissue around it. ive used the sap about three times in two days. No pain, a little discolouration happening there now as i look at it.
What concerns me now really is the area around my bathers top line.. this is where the sun damage has hit me the greatest..and there are bccs through now as i said. Im currently taking internally bloodroot capsules to clean my system out. I think this is what started the reaction on my chest.
Would it be a good move to put some petty spurge on the bccs that are now showing an inflamed ring around the outside, a white ring and then a black pinhead centre??..one bcc that i have has a large amount of cancer tissue..dead because its white...in one cavity but it wont come out......will petty surge help this one do you think??
I dont know if we are able to put petty surge into a cavity that has formed with cancer inside.
Nothing seems to be straightforward at this point in time for me. I appreciate so much the information that you have shared here...its invaluable, more than you will know......judych
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Originally posted by SoFl
I just logged in to give a treatment update and document some new procedures.
First of all, I have now treated 20 or more lesions on myself and my dad, some of which were recurrences of previously biopsied and surgically removed bcc and scc. He is 82 and has a history of skin cancer.
I have had a couple of recurrences of spots treated with PS, and upon re treatment they are now gone. I attribute the recurrence to under treatment. There have been times when enough sap was hard to come by. I am going on about 2 years for the first things I treated with no recurrence.
I have no further need to experiment with other treatments. The PS is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more effective than any other treatment I've used prior to finding PS (from surgery to efudex to solaraze to aldara to almost every treatment on this board). Honestly, I don't know how it could work any better of more effectively. I say that because it's fairly quick, relatively painless and has a good end result on me. I have treated my head, lip, eye socket, nose, arms, legs, torso with it. In particular, my lower lip was a painful problem for YEARS and nothing ever cured it. I bit the bullet about a year ago and tried it on my lip. Since that time I feel like I have a new lip. No problems in a year for the first time in 15 years. Previously my lip had surgery (SCC), efudex several times, and solaraze. None of it worked except briefly (6 months or so). Now it feels and looks great.
So I've settled on a "standard" treatment which is very effective for me. It probably tends more to overtreatment rather than undertreatment. I snip one leaf at the base with sharp scissors and wait for the sap to come out of the still attached stem, and let it flow onto a flat bladed dental tool. It is a very small amount that flows onto the tool. I'd guess about 1/4 the size of an average water droplet. I make sure the skin is clean and dry because it absorbs better that way.
I then apply the sap directly to the suspect area, and I cover the area with the leaf I snipped off and a round band aid to top it off.
If the spot is larger I'll use the sap from 2 leafs or the extract from a large leaf if I have one.
I keep it covered for 24 hours, shower, rub off any dead skin and do it again.
By the third day, usually what happens when using this "turbo" treatment is that the area I suspect is cancer now has a deep irregular pit, while the surrounding skin may be severely irritated or maybe even sloughing off the top layer, the PS has targeted the lesion. So the point here is that I have settled on treating a larger area than is visible. I feel that way it also gets any sub clinical areas that I didn't know were there.
Depending on the area under treatment, on the third or fourth day I may do the leaf/band aid combo or after a good shower and scrubbing I may just apply the sap to the area that is now typically a deeper pit that has been identified and targeted.
If I don't use the leaf I put it in a dropper bottle full of distilled water I keep in the refrigerator. This tincture is like a weakened version of the sap, and sometimes(almost always now) I apply that as insurance as it's healing. I get the tincture so it's almost solid thick with leaves...a lot of leaves, not that much water. I smash the leaves up a little using a tool while inside the bottle. I use an artists paint brush to put the liquid on. If I have a plant that is ready but I have no use for it, I put it in the bottle before it dies because after they shoot off their seeds, they die.
After the third or 4th day, I have enough experience with it now to know if I'm done or if I just want to continue with the sap and no band aid. Using this method, usually the PS has gone deep if it needed to and there is a scab forming. I feel that if the area under treatment forms a quick scab, it's a sign that it's normal tissue and also treating on top of a scab is not effective. I want to be sure I've gotten down as deep as the bad cells go, and after that I'm done. Used in this way with the leaf and band aid, the PS seems to be extremely toxic and fast acting on the suspect cells. The duration depends on where also. Arms and legs longest, head fastest. As a general rule 7-10 days of treatment on the arms and legs and 3-4 on the face and head for me but I've used it enough now that I can tell. I always try to over treat rather than under treat and have used it continuously while an area healed on my leg near my ankle.
I'm currently treating two spots on my arm that recently popped up. I would guess early scc because i've had enough to know what they look and feel like. It has gone deep on one and not as deep on the other smaller one, and the treatment is almost over after 3 days. I'll do one more day of sap with no band aid after a shower, then just use the tincture as it heals up.
I recently experimented with a flat mole on my shoulder (I have a lot of moles) that was starting to spread out some spidery like arms. I didn't like the look of it, I saw a picture of an early melanoma that looked similar. So as an experiment I used the PS on it for a week. My thinking was that if I made it worse or it didn't work, then I'd go see a professional. It didn't look deep or anything and had been that way for a while. I have so many moles and freckles it's impossible to count them all.
So that was about 3 months ago, and today it's the best looking spot on my body. It took out the mole, the spidery look, and it's all clear white skin and you can't even tell anything was ever there. I wish my whole body looked like that. It was an amazing result. My wife works in a dermatologists office and she was amazed. I'm amazed. That was the first and only time so far I've used it on a mole and I know I'm not supposed to do that according to the professionals. All I'm doing is stating what I did, and what happened, in the name of science, or bush doctoring or something.
So I would just like to add a disclaimer that I'm basically experimenting on myself and documenting it here. I'm not suggesting what any one else should do.
I was as desperate and lost as everyone else prior to finding the PS because nothing from the DM worked well and I always had to keep re treating. I'm not claiming to be any kind of doctor or expert either.
I'm a guy that has had a lot of problems with skin cancer and has found a solution that works for me. That said, I can't say enough good about how well PS is working for me. It has literally changed my life. After dreading regular DM visits every six months and a few things cut off every time (I've had melanoma, BCC and SCC) and living in fear, I haven't been there in over 2 years now and I doubt I will ever go again. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do that. I have now successfully treated and resolved (longest non returning about 2 years now) every suspicious area on my body and anytime anything new pops up, it now gets the treatment straight away. Since I keep a stock growing, it's free, it's far more effective on me than anything he had to offer(in my own estimation), relatively painless and no big deal any more. That's no hype, no bs, just my own experience. The PS cures scar free or nearly scar free for me. The only evidence on my body now of skin cancer are stitches and scars from the DM. I make no recommendations and no promises. I don't suggest anyone else experiment on themselves like I'm doing. What you do to yourself is at your own risk, just like me. I could be harming myself in a million different ways I don't even know about, I suppose. I do however feel compelled to share my experience because I know how desperate I was for something that really worked. Maybe it doesn't work this way for everyone, I have no way of knowing. I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.
on the plants....
The plants do like cold weather. They are impossible to grow outdoors in south florida in the summer (they sprout but remain in a dwarf state then die) but they do ok in the winter. They like cold weather. Freezing temps (25-30F) and frost are no problem. They actually seem to thrive in that kind of weather of 30 degree mornings and highs in the 60's. I know this because I have grown them or jump started them in pots in a cold climate. They don't like full sun. Full sun will kill them. I have some growing very well right now outside in the shade of a plumeria tree. I jump started them outside with temps below freezing.
They naturally grow in disturbed soil and they like soil that contains a lot of aeration...foam, mulch, etc when grown in a pot. they do not like rich thick compacted soil or sand. They like disturbed soil. I have pretty much confirmed that now by trial and error. My best pot has a lot of foam and a lot of mulch bark mixed in with some potting soil that had foam balls in it. I give them one drop of liquid plant food mixed in with about 20 oz of water when I water them.
Last...I have never felt any systemic effects of any kind....ever. I used it once on a small spot about 3/8 of an inch from my eyeball, and I did feel a little irritation around my eye but no systemic effect. I was very careful not to get any in my eye and used many precautions in that treatment...which was a recurrence of something which had previously been surgically removed. It's gone now. The first time I used it on my forehead I had slight swelling about the size of a silver dollar but no pain and no systemic effect.
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
