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Brigid
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 Posted - 07/09/2010 : 10:54:29
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Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
I've found that an herbal salve with an olive oil base made by Wiseways Herbals is great for itching. It's called Anti-Itch Salve. I've also used their All-Heal Salve for itching, minor cuts, etc. and it's great too. It has no toxic ingredients, another plus for me.
Hope you get relief soon.
Brigid
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 11:20:16
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Originally posted by marsha
Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
It is because of the deepness of the underlying cancer that it has continued to recur. Hopefully the PS has done what it does, and has gotten to the roots.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 17:09:18
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No answers, just thinking out loud:
My understanding is that the chief mechanism of petty spurge is two-fold: modulates protein kinase to induce cancer cell "suicide," then also instigates strong immune response, flooding area with neutrophils -- white blood cells that attack foreigners -- which is why it produces oozing, gnarly scabs, etc.
However, there is one other dimension to PS and that is it's rich in glycosides, which are chemically caustic. THAT'S why you don't want to get it in your eye.
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 13:40:21
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Marsha, we feel for you and know it takes courage to have gone this far! Whatever you decide to do, we support you. I know this is not a fun place to be! I know someone who got the exact same side of her nose replaced with surgery and some kind of skin graft, and she looks fine, and, lucky for her, the cancer has not returned.
Waverider, thanks for the helpful info in your post on the ingredients of PS. I also wonder about the wisdom of using PS for a long period, but I know from using it on my arm and face for shorter periods of time that the PS simply did not get rid of it and before long the cancer was rearing it's ugly head again. I don't think I'm a typical test case, though. My body system/immune system is very sluggish and slow. Some other, healthier individuals may find that PS works like a charm in 3 days. The skin cancer I'm finding on myself is never just one little spot - it's rooted to other spots now all over the center of my face. I'm just keeping at this section to see if this is going to work for me before giving up. Right now I'm not sure what my alternatives are. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 14:16:02
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Originally posted by waverider
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment.
With bloodroot if you apply it to healthy skin there is no reaction. I have a feeling it is the same with petty spurge... real simple test. try some in an area where you are sure the skin is healthy. That will give you the answer. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 17:08:50
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I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too. |
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marsha
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 02:07:07
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| First of all I want to thank all of you for responding. It makes me cry. I can feel really isolated and then all of a sudden you all answered. Thank you. Back to the nose. The white spots were gone. So I stopped using ps. Gracetogo your right about the itching. I remember that from the curaderm. But the itching was 5 times as bad. (But the pain with curaderm is 5 times as bad)Anyway, the next day the bottom half had totally healed over.The top half is still oozing and itching. I think the ps keeps working for a while after you stop using it. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 09:54:35
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I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too.
From reading about PS on the net, my understanding is that it does affect normal skin, is considered "toxic" for that reason. From what I remember it will irritate/redden it but not dig down the way it does where the cancer is. I'm going to try it on healthy skin as well to see what it does.
Has anyone fertilized their little sprouts? If so, at what point ie how tall were they? Mine are about 1 1/2-2" and have no leaves on the stems, only on the top. But I have one plant with 8 leaves which I grew in plain potting soil (as opposed to the soil/sand/vermiculite mix, and it always looked hardier than these spindly little creatures. |
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marsha
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 21:33:16
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This is the day before I freeked out and it went twice as deep.The white spots are almost gone.The bottom one is 2 days after I quit using ps.
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thanks01
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 18:37:32
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Marsha,
I have never yet succeeded with growing Petty Spurge, and also have never yet experienced these deep holes which concern you. (My only procedure so far, really was a Mohs with plastic surgery following).
I would just like to remark that your very good pictures do look like a "clean" process. I can believe this is scary, but to me it looks like you are really cleaning out the problem, and I just hope that these places now heal well for you.
I am just an interested bystander at the moment and can give no weight to my opinions. But I thank you for such clear and detailed sharing. This will definitely be part of the Petty Spurge history as we keep working on the forum here. |
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svanip
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:33:23
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Hey Looks and feels fine however at this stage I am not convinced that the BCC is gone - My derm Dr was not happy that I had taken this cousre of treatment, he called it "Petty Spurge" one of the caustic's and said that all this type of treatment does is drive the cancer below the surface and causes it to spread underneath the skin so - I am still worried its down deep somewhere !!
Lets hope he is wrong !!
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svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to lose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 20:36:37
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Marsha, I think it will heal up fine if you let it. It does look very "clean" as Thanks says -- just normal raw flesh. You will be living in Scab City for a while and if I were you, I'd let the scab stay there as long as it wants to. There may be some indentation there for a while after the scab sheds, which you can feel with your finger. That kind of wound is called a "tissue deficit" wound, versus a standard cut or slash, and it takes some time for space left by the eaten-away flesh (sorry, can't think of any less-graphic description) to be replaced with new tissue so that you can't feel any indentation anymore. It's a slow process. I can still detect some indentation on the back of my head where the PS excavated some BCC last year. But its all healed over with smooth clear flesh, so, no problem.
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marsha
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 23:55:27
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| waverider, I don't get any scabs because I keep a piece of tape on all the time. I decide that the part of my nose was not finished at the top, It didn't heal like the bottom part and after looking at my picture again I notice one of those white spots. I too am worried about not getting the roots.It seems like it should be like curaderm.When the cancers gone it heals by its self even while you put on the cream. I had moes surgery in the same spot that I am working on now.They took out about a nickel size.Then I came home and went to another Dr. and he said that my nose looked terrible and he would fix it for me. He cut it back open and shaped it like an eye then stitched it up. Well that pulled the nostril up on one side and put a big lump across the bridge of my nose. Oh well. onward, So I'm going to check out the iodine and agrimony. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:22:15
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| Svanip, thanks for getting back to us with the follow-up information. Interesting that your Derm implies you have done yourself harm by using Petty Spurge. I was curious to hear if your doctors would do another biopsy to see if the spot was clear. Anyway, keep us posted on what happens with your Basal Cell. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2010 : 10:39:28
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Svanip, I dont understand how your dr. can call this caustic. With all the prescription creams they use. Not to mention the burning and freezing and cutting.And I dont think this drives it deeper. I read up on the Iodine site and one thing that stood out was the Dr. was talking about the white spots. I hope I will know when this is done. I hope it will just heal by itself while still using the petty.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/17/2010 : 11:48:13
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| I thought the "it will drive it deeper" remark by that Doctor was sort of a giveaway, too. I don't believe you can drive cancer deeper. Like, do the little cells say to each other, "whoa, petty spurge up top, better turn around and go deeper so it doesn't get us"? Cancer is where it is. I don't think you can induce cancer cells to flee to some other location in order to evade treatment. Otherwise, wouldn't Aldara, freezing, etc, also "drive it deeper"? I do think that any derm who says that figures he can easily use a scare tactic to discourage non-surgical attempts to deal with it. I'm also surprised (not really, given my experience with dermatologists thus far) that a Dr. in Australia would be so uninformed about it, since PS has already cleared many clinical trials down under, been written up in Australian medical journals, etc. That alone would cause me to question his judgment. |
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lonewolf1218
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 23:35:58
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| I finally got my plants to grow.They are about 2 to 3 inches tall.A couple of leafs on them.How long do I have to let them grow before I can use them.How tall do I have to wait for them? |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:29:04
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| My expierence with ps is you better have a lot of them and once you start clipping off the leaves, the production of sap gets less and less throughout the whole stem that you cut. did that make since? |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 09:44:40
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| I put a handful of seeds into my boginvilla pot. It is in a sun room ,so it gets pretty hot during the day. But the seeds are partly shaded because of the boginvilla. I watered only when the bogivilla started to wilt. The reason I did that was I had a wild one grow in that pot and figured it didnt get much water so I would just treat these the same. I've allso started digging them up where ever I see them, and I stuck some in a pot out side with my allo. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 11:52:03
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The spot on the nostrill I used iodine on for 6 days. I allso used banking soda. It got a huge scab then peeled off.
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The other spots I'm still using petty. They are itching so bad I cant stand it. The white spot on my nose, again I think is a bc root.Also blistering up above. Then I dont use ps for a day. I think the tape is causing the itching and the spreading. The nostrill looks good and the iodine was easy to use, so I decide to use it on all the spots.
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19.1 KB But then I keep reading and the info on the baking soda scares me. I dont know what to believe. So I reread the pettyspurge site and desided to go back to using ps.I'm not going to use the tape on it.See if that helps the itching. But I liked using the tape because it kept it open and I could see what was going on, and I knew that the ps was really getting to the bottom. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 07/23/2010 : 12:31:27
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Marsha,
You are very courageous and a wonderful poster on this forum. When I look at your recent attempts I am tempted to say, take a rest and let everything heal and then go back to trying again. Other people might say, "Get to the cancer at the bottom of those pits while you can." I don't know enough to say which is right, but I certainly hope for a good result and peaceful recovery for you. Best wishes from Thx |
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svanip
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 21:02:50
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Hey yes - I tend to agree - he was completly against this treatment and suggested that there was absolutly no approved petty spurge treatment whatsoever and said that he said it would be many years when and if it may be aproved - told me to stay well away from any of the caustic's :-)
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Originally posted by waverider
I thought the "it will drive it deeper" remark by that Doctor was sort of a giveaway, too. I don't believe you can drive cancer deeper. Like, do the little cells say to each other, "whoa, petty spurge up top, better turn around and go deeper so it doesn't get us"? Cancer is where it is. I don't think you can induce cancer cells to flee to some other location in order to evade treatment. Otherwise, wouldn't Aldara, freezing, etc, also "drive it deeper"? I do think that any derm who says that figures he can easily use a scare tactic to discourage non-surgical attempts to deal with it. I'm also surprised (not really, given my experience with dermatologists thus far) that a Dr. in Australia would be so uninformed about it, since PS has already cleared many clinical trials down under, been written up in Australian medical journals, etc. That alone would cause me to question his judgment.
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svanip
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 21:09:53
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Obviously it is besause it eats large holes in you body and not just on the cancer spots !!
[quote]Originally posted by marsha
Svanip, I dont understand how your dr. can call this caustic. With all the prescription creams they use. Not to mention the burning and freezing and cutting.And I dont think this drives it deeper. I read up on the Iodine site and one thing that stood out was the Dr. was talking about the white spots. I hope I will know when this is done. I hope it will just heal by itself while still using the petty.
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Irene
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 12:48:35
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I see many questions about growing the Petty Spurge plant and I would like to offer some suggestions:
Now that it is summer in North America: grow them outside. My best plant started between the cracks of two walkway stones (accidentally from seeds from my original plants). It is strong and healthy because it has been outdoors and faced the elements.
When it was about 1.5" tall the top got chopped off by mistake - this produced a wonderful, bushy, compact little plant. [See pictures - notice the reddish, thick stems on this one!].
This seedling grew in the cracks in front of my house - so it had full sun exposure. When it was about 3" tall I dug it up and planted in a plastic pot and after a day of sulking, it seems to be happy with the richer soil it now has.
From my experience the rules for this plant are:
1) Don't let the soil dry out.
2) Keep plants in an area where they have plenty of fresh air to avoid moulding.
3) Cut the tip off when it's still quite small - 2 or 3 " max. That way it will branch out and be a more balanced plant.
4) Don't coddle it - it's tough if you let it be.
5) Use liquid fertilizer now and again once it's about 2" tall.
PS I still have plenty of seed if anyone wants to buy some.
Irene
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marsha
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 10:08:47
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| svanip, Are you saying you are unhappy with your results? I put some petty spurge on the underside of my for arm and taped it up.I will continue this another 2 days. That will make 4 days, So far I have had no reaction. |
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adfecteau
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 12:36:02
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I had a bcc removed from my forehead via Mohs surgery a couple months ago. Very bad infection, very painful, etc, etc, unpleasant overall. Planted Euphorbia Peplus in case something else came up.
Most important tip for growing - grown them outside if climate allows (I didn't clip the top off). I put some outside after sprouting, they grew several times stronger and larger than the ones I left indoors even for only 3 extra days.
SITUATION: Just tried it out for the first time on a suspect spot on my left bicep (had characteristics of bcc), very small, and on two freckle spots.
RESULTS: No reaction until about 10 hours later THEN:
Suspect spot - Sap started eating with a healthy appetite.
Freckle spots - Slightly pink skin, nothing else.
Hopeful, I'll let you know how it goes, no pictures sorry. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 14:38:44
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Originally posted by Irene
I see many questions about growing the Petty Spurge plant and I would like to offer some suggestions:
Now that it is summer in North America: grow them outside. My best plant started between the cracks of two walkway stones (accidentally from seeds from my original plants). It is strong and healthy because it has been outdoors and faced the elements.
When it was about 1.5" tall the top got chopped off by mistake - this produced a wonderful, bushy, compact little plant. [See pictures - notice the reddish, thick stems on this one!].
This seedling grew in the cracks in front of my house - so it had full sun exposure. When it was about 3" tall I dug it up and planted in a plastic pot and after a day of sulking, it seems to be happy with the richer soil it now has.
From my experience the rules for this plant are:
1) Don't let the soil dry out.
2) Keep plants in an area where they have plenty of fresh air to avoid moulding.
3) Cut the tip off when it's still quite small - 2 or 3 " max. That way it will branch out and be a more balanced plant.
4) Don't coddle it - it's tough if you let it be.
5) Use liquid fertilizer now and again once it's about 2" tall.
PS I still have plenty of seed if anyone wants to buy some.
Irene
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 14:41:18
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Originally posted by Irene
I see many questions about growing the Petty Spurge plant and I would like to offer some suggestions:
Now that it is summer in North America: grow them outside. My best plant started between the cracks of two walkway stones (accidentally from seeds from my original plants). It is strong and healthy because it has been outdoors and faced the elements.
When it was about 1.5" tall the top got chopped off by mistake - this produced a wonderful, bushy, compact little plant. [See pictures - notice the reddish, thick stems on this one!].
This seedling grew in the cracks in front of my house - so it had full sun exposure. When it was about 3" tall I dug it up and planted in a plastic pot and after a day of sulking, it seems to be happy with the richer soil it now has.
From my experience the rules for this plant are:
1) Don't let the soil dry out.
2) Keep plants in an area where they have plenty of fresh air to avoid moulding.
3) Cut the tip off when it's still quite small - 2 or 3 " max. That way it will branch out and be a more balanced plant.
4) Don't coddle it - it's tough if you let it be.
5) Use liquid fertilizer now and again once it's about 2" tall.
PS I still have plenty of seed if anyone wants to buy some.
Irene
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 15:11:14
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Sorry about the blank just now. I sometimes can't access the page with the "post a reply" at the upper right.
Soil mix for seedlings is important too. According to Beautanicals 1/3 potting soil/ 1/3 sand/ and 1/3 vermiculite is best to start them. Put in larger pots once they have 6-8 leaves on them. Can fertilize once every 2 or 3 days with a liquid fert. like fish emulsion even when they're in the little peat pots, but I'm not sure when to start fertilizing. Has anyone done this? How big were the seedlings when you started?
Canada, where you live, Irene, is cooler than some parts of the US. People have posted about losing their plants if they live in Texas, for ex. Even in New England my seedlings were dying inside and outdoors,it's been too hot and humid. Putting an air conditioner in revived some of them. I've tried hardening them off outside in the eastern morning sun, but they have to be brought in before the real heat sets in, even though there's no more direct sun at that point--otherwise they droop. I've been trying to prop up the weaker ones that bend over inside: some have responded well but others were too frail to become upright.
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 15:19:37
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Irene,
Your plants look really happy. How long did it take them to get to that stage??
I have 20 or so seedlings that are almost at the "top off" stage. I may transplant them into their own pots first, though.
Mine are growing in an eastern window--really hot and humid in the Atlanta area just now. |
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Irene
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 17:14:47
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I don't think they like to get too terribly hot - although it's been 30 degrees here for a few weeks... But this plant of mine does get sunshine half the day, shade the other half (southern exposure I guess). I think letting two or three seeds grow in one pot is a good idea as they support each other a bit that way.
The ones I grew over the winter had very very weak stems compared to this summer plant. (See Dan's very first post - it has the picture of my winter plants in it).
Considering that this new one started out in clay dirt with screening on top, I really don't thinks it's all that fussy about the soil it's in.
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Irene,
Your plants look really happy. How long did it take them to get to that stage??
I have 20 or so seedlings that are almost at the "top off" stage. I may transplant them into their own pots first, though.
Mine are growing in an eastern window--really hot and humid in the Atlanta area just now.
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 10:57:58
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| I think it was a mistake to let it scab over, I think the tape is a better way to go. Keep it open. Allso petty spurge will keep working after you stop putting it on. I put a little curaderm on one of my spots,to get the scab off,It stung so bad that I washed it off, Then went back to ps. Its healed up pretty nice. But will run a test on it to see if it is really gone. |
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dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 12:53:36
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| Hi marsha, what is the test that you mentioned? |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 15:59:06
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| Hi dan!!!! It's called Plantain Goldenseal Salve,by Gaia Herbs. Its a really nice salve if you dont have skin canser. My herblist friend uses it for mild healing. It has some blood root in it. |
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Irene
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 18:14:33
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What does it do if it is BCC?
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Hi dan!!!! It's called Plantain Goldenseal Salve,by Gaia Herbs. Its a really nice salve if you dont have skin canser. My herblist friend uses it for mild healing. It has some blood root in it.
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 22:41:38
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Ive never used it for more than one or two aplications at a time. Because I'm kind of scared of blood root. But my friend told me to take a brake from curaderm and put something soothing on my spots.I applied it liberally,beyond the spots.
My spots swelled up and oozed more than they already were. My friend could not believe it. she said she had never seen any reaction before. Maybe I should try it. It has all sorts of good stuff in it like chaparral, tumeric root. |
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dan
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Posted - 08/02/2010 : 01:22:02
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Thanks Marsha! That looks like a good find. From http://www.gaiaherbs.com/product.php?id=194 , Plantain Goldenseal Salve is a combination of Plantain Leaf, Goldenseal Root, Burdock Root, Chaparral Leaf, Black Walnut Leaf, Thuja Leaf, Turmeric Root, Bloodroot, and Eucalyptus Essential Oil. This is an intriguing salve with lots of known cancer fighting components (bloodroot, burdock root, chaparral, turmeric), a delivery oil (eucalyptus and maybe thuja leaf), and anti-fungals (goldenseal and black walnut leaf). Plantain leaf and turmeric may act as an anti-inflammatories. Your skin cancer reaction is a potentially promising sign that the salve could be effective against skin cancer, or at least as an indicator as you are using it.
My first thought was this plantain was related to bananas but it is actually a common lawn weed. I have heard of plantain leaf to relieve poison ivy and the reviews at http://www.iherb.com/Gaia-Herbs-Plantain-Goldenseal-Salve-2-oz/13500?at=1 confirm that.
Some of the ingredients have safety issues if taken internally but that may not be an issue if applied topically. For example, Chaparral can cause liver and kidney problems. Brain damage (kernicterus) has developed in newborn infants exposed to goldenseal. Do not use goldenseal during pregnancy or breast-feeding. Thuja (cedar) oil taken internally can cause convulsions. |
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marsha
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Posted - 08/02/2010 : 09:22:06
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| Well its been 24 hours whith the salve under tape. 2 applications, on 2 of the spots. Looks good.no swelling, or rash. I guess I'll try the thrid spot, and then I thought I'd try the orange oil test. |
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dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2010 : 21:02:02
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| Hi marsha, that's great about the lack of reaction with the Plantain Goldenseal Salve test! For the orange oil test, I would not trust the result until the area has had a chance to settle down for awhile. Applying orange oil to broken or inflamed skin may give a false positive. |
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marsha
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Posted - 08/02/2010 : 23:18:33
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Dan, Its good you told me that. I bought the orange oil today and tried some on myarm. no reaction. but I also put some more salve on my nose. I think pictures are really important, I did'nt know how large the bump was (white arrow) untill I saw it in the picture.The white arrow is my next spot to work on. The black arrow is the spot I just fin
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marsha
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 13:36:50
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This morning after 3rd application of the salve, I think the side of my nose is red and swolen and slightly itchy. Then after reading the site about bcc and scc I feel very worried. What If I put blood root on and it eats into the catilage? |
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thanks01
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 16:24:12
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Marsha,
I've never used bloodroot so I don't know what to say, really. But hopefully the application 3 days ago will not go that deep. My suggestion, try to be gentle with this side of the nose and just let some healing take place. I hope you do well with this. Let us know later.
If information will be comforting to you, try reading some of the threads on this forum by doing a search for "bloodroot". I just scanned some and there's lots of personal experience reporting there. Those threads have not had much attention lately because people right now are trying other things (bloodroot being banned by the FDA, and perhaps with good reason).
Best to you for your current problem and its concerns.... |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2010 : 18:20:40
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| Thanks01, Thank you so much for responding. Ive noticed your post throughout this site, and I think you are so kind. I took your advice and reread the bloodroot stuff. I looked at the horrific pictures again. I don't think that is the bloodroot. Or rather I think that is the bloodroot, eatting away the cancer. Thats what I'm worried about. That my cancer is so bad that I would end up like that. So that creates a dalema. If it is that bad, nothing I do will heal it without taking it to that point. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 08:07:30
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Hi Marsha,
Sorry things are going slow and painful. In regards to the horror stories of bloodroot, I am one of the members here who has used it several times and can speak with personal experience.
Firstly because unlike most things we use for health, manufactured under strict conditions and guidelines, with bloodroot it is totally dependent on the source. The best way to find a good source is to do your homework. I hunted for months before going with a guy who now no longer sells to the public. He does sell his xxterra to veterinarians and fortunately for me spent quite a bit of time with me on the phone explaining what his paste did, how to use it and what to expect.
I also hunted down many people who had used bloodroot and posted stories on the net and e-mailed and spoke to them before I ever tried it myself. Lastly, because of the infamous lady with half her face missing, I did an experimental area application on my thigh where I knew there was no skin cancer. 24 hours covered up with tape no reaction..maybe a little red.
When I applied to my first BCC..there was things going on in seconds. I knew things were happening..like something pulling on it..from there the fun begins. I have a pretty high tolerance for pain..but it does hurt and it is continually annoying. It swells and it aches.
Here's the link to the pictures again..
http://public.fotki.com/Anivoc/xxterra/
As you can see in the pics taken over about 30 days it is quite aggressive and I healed up pretty good..
Bad news is the two on the forehead have come back. The nose one which was the smallest but deepest has behaved itself now for 10 years..whew!
Using it is not to be taken lightly. If there is skin cancer it is going to go after it..That is why for the last few years I have been trying all of this other stuff mostly to no avail.
Right now I have the petty spurge available to me but I am experimenting with some other things that I won't talk about here until I have concluded it is worth discussing. Though this site is great for sharing, I have been sucked into the group "Hopium" syndrome i.e. eggplant vinegar and wasted time and energy on treatments that in the end didn't work for most of us.
Hate the fact that I have to deal with this stuff but there are people with way worse afflictions and people dying from all kinds of terrible diseases. I may be scarred up but I am alive and been able to enjoy my family and continue to provide for them.
This forum has been a God send to me..but as Bono of U2 says..I still haven't yet found what I'm looking for.
To assume that perhaps the Mohs surgery is going to take less skin in eradicating a BCC..maybe..but since I've done both IMO I kind of doubt it.
You've been a brave soldier in this battle. I hope and pray for your success in winning the war or at least comfortably controlling the enemy till the medical world figures out how to control this with DNA modification therapy.
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 11:13:05
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| Anivoc, That was such a good letter!! Thank you. |
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