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Grace2Go
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 Posted - 06/13/2010 : 08:40:03
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This website has some great info about benefits of dandelion:
http://www.leaflady.org/health_benefits_of_dandelions.htm
Here are a couple of excerpts from there about dandelion benefits:
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"In 1979 a Japanese patent was filed for a freeze-dried warm water extract of dandelion root for anti-tumor use. It was found that administration of the extract markedly inhibited growth of particular carcinoma cells within one week after treatment;"
Another excerpt:
"There are many testimonials from those who have benefited from the use of dandelions in the treatment of what ailed them.
Robert Stickle, an internationally famous architect, was diagnosed as having a malignant melanoma 21 years ago, and was given, after radical surgery had not halted its spread, less than 2 years to live. He said, in a letter to Jeff Zullo, president of the Society for the Promotion of Dandelions, (June 23, 1986):
" I went on a search for the answer to my mortal problem, and [discovered] that perhaps it was a nutritional dilemma.... To me, cancer is primarily a liver failure manifestation. {Italians are very concerned about problems of the 'fegato']. [I discovered that] the cancer rate in native Italians is very low among the farming population (paesanos). When they get affluent and move to the city, its the same as the rest of civilized man. Paesanos eat dandelions, make brew from the roots, and are healthy, often living to over 100 years."
He states that he began eating dandelion salad every day, and his improvement confounded the doctors. When he wrote the letter in 1986, 18 years had passed and there had been no recurrence of the melanoma."
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I've used dandelion in the past for it's diuretic benefit, but it was several years ago. My grandmother used to cook the flower tops, and use the stems in salad or steep in hot water for tea. I never liked the taste of the greens, but the benefits outweigh the aversion to taste.
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I would caution that with advanced cancers it would seem if a person were to eat some of these compounds that any reaction could be violent as many many cells were destroyed within hours in my test. It could also cause internal bleeding as it appears tumor cells were destroyed leaving blood. While overall this would be a good thing it may create shock.
I would think that a person should only try consumption to stop advanced cancers under the overall supervision of a doctor, possibly in a medical setting (hospital). I would also suggest some advance evaluations in the area of blood clotting for individual patients may be warranted. If it works as fast as it did for me an overnight stay would be more than adequate after eating a dandelion salad.
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txhouston
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 08:59:37
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| After my experience with this and my recent study of nutrition that it is possible the 'cure' for cancer is one of too few natural 'poisons'. However this theory will not gain much research interest as there is little money to be made from recommending people to eat some sprigs of dandelion once diagnosed with breast cancer. Far more profitable to have $500,000 bills to pay. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 10:06:03
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I am about 17 hours into this treatment. The 'scab' came off of one of these and I have a pink area. I think what has happened is that the latex attacked the topmost layers. I am not sure in this particular one the latex penetrated significantly down. It is the BCC that was prior burned off. So I am definitely going to apply more dandelion to this area.
It does seem the penetration was only superficial. So a reasonable concern is whether this is any type of cure or whether it is simply causing the tumor cells to bleed. If it is destroying tumor cells topically this would not be a bad thing but would do little to arrest spread. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 16:18:27
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I am about 5 hours after the second application. So far I do not see evidence of dried blood. The scab this time is about the color of a dark freckle. Prior application the scab turned dark after first turning this dark freckle color.
I did deviate from protocol. Dandelions are difficult to find in Houston this time of year. I therefore put on some other latex weed substances, thistle and another common weed that looks like lettuce on a pole but has prickly spines on the end of the leaf. After the application of these other plants I located a source of supply for dandelions that is close to home so I can simply walk there every day and treat the BCC.
I rationalize that the scab that is forming, when not dark, is dead cells. Since these plant secretions do not cause this effect on healthy skin these must be attacking the BCC. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 22:18:15
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Now about 12 hours from second application. The primary location has a reddish brown color. It is not as dark as it was at equivalent time yesterday. The scab is is continuous and no flaking of skin like that I noticed when using Dr. prescribed pharmaceutical product on my lip. I am going to sleep and will report again after the AM.
I am still encouraged that some adverse reaction with the bad cells is going on. What I fear is that this reaction is not sufficiently aggressive to root out the cancer. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 13:50:11
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It has been three days now since first application. I just removed the second scab after shower.
The last two days I have been applying only dandelion. So at this writing the primary plant being used is dandelion.
I have not noticed any further bleeding after the first day.
It does seem that progress is being made. There is much less redness in the sites redness has shrunk to about 1/3 the diameter of the original redness. I can only think that the cancer is being disipated. There is not however a large amount of tissue that is flaking off. Much less in comparison to the area on my lip where I used chemotherapy to remove sun damage skin. so it seems that possibly there is less violent reaction than that reported with Petty Spurge. Who knows less violent reaction may indicate less violent side effects, but that is pure speculation.
I can't help but notice that this is helping with visible improvement after three days application. This rate of improvement is much faster than the chemotherapy which took a month to run it's course.
I am going to keep applying the dandelion until which time the redness dissipates. I still have petty spurge coming I intend to grow it and use it in these sites to see if the petty spurge 'finds' anything that the dandelion does not.
The latex is kinda sticky so I guess the latex on the surface blocks access of the new dandelion latex to the underlying cells. So I hope the new application will have a more significant reaction than I got earlier today. |
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Grace2Go
64 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 18:02:53
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Thanks for the regular updates txhouston!
Usually dandelions are everywhere and aren't easy to get rid of, considered to be one of the peskiest weeds. Wouldn't you know it, that now that dandelions are very possibly a viable treatment for my aggravating BCC I can't find a single one!
I'm going on a trip to the midwest next week, and I think this is dandelion season there, so I'll try the sap while I'm there.
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Originally posted by txhouston
It has been three days now since first application. I just removed the second scab after shower.
The last two days I have been applying only dandelion. So at this writing the primary plant being used is dandelion.
I have not noticed any further bleeding after the first day.
It does seem that progress is being made. There is much less redness in the sites redness has shrunk to about 1/3 the diameter of the original redness. I can only think that the cancer is being disipated. There is not however a large amount of tissue that is flaking off. Much less in comparison to the area on my lip where I used chemotherapy to remove sun damage skin. so it seems that possibly there is less violent reaction than that reported with Petty Spurge. Who knows less violent reaction may indicate less violent side effects, but that is pure speculation.
I can't help but notice that this is helping with visible improvement after three days application. This rate of improvement is much faster than the chemotherapy which took a month to run it's course.
I am going to keep applying the dandelion until which time the redness dissipates. I still have petty spurge coming I intend to grow it and use it in these sites to see if the petty spurge 'finds' anything that the dandelion does not.
The latex is kinda sticky so I guess the latex on the surface blocks access of the new dandelion latex to the underlying cells. So I hope the new application will have a more significant reaction than I got earlier today.
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lonewolf1218
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 02:08:48
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| New o the forums.I was wondering since I live in south florida.I have severes cancers also,all basal cells ,and sqaumous cells.I am ordering the seeds from the site from here in australia.Since the weather is very hot here should I try and grow the plants outside or indoors from my window seal?I have to try other forms of treatment.Tired of getting so many surgeries and they keep coming back.Any help on how to grow them in south florida. |
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Gabby
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 09:34:21
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Hello LoneWolf,
I have 19 out of 26 seeds planted coming up in an old pulpboard egg flat with the depressions filled with good potting soil. Seedlings sprouted inside, with exposure to sunlight through east and west facing windows. I water every day or so. After about two or three weeks, the sprouts are two inches tall, and are just now putting on their second set of leaves. Will transplant into individual pots before long. I live in N. Georgia on the north side of Atlanta, and I plan to grow mine indoors, or in a greenhouse/screened porch that doesn't get afternoon sun.
If I lived in S. Florida, I would for sure sprout/grow indoors. Don't plant them too deeply--maybe half inch at the most. Remember that these are weeds that normally seed themselves via exploding seed pods that land on the ground and are covered up by the wind and rain. It helps that they are so tiny that they may slip into just about any crack. That also means that they have limited energy reserves to work their way up thru hard packed soil.
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anemone
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 00:02:16
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svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to lose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all. |
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 11:35:49
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Originally posted by anemone
svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to loose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all.
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 11:43:19
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These are the tiniest seeds I've ever seen. My fingers are crossed! I planted them in peat pots and hope I didn't dislodge them when I sprayed to keep them moist. They were also by an eastern window, so on day 5 I moved them to a brighter western window.
Has anyone found petty spurge growing wild and if so in what kind of habitat? By a stream? In woods? fields? near paths or away from paths? Any tips welcome.
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 18:18:04
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I would like to suggest to txhouston that we start a forum thread related to dandelion. I am very interested in the reporting on each plant's success and appreciate the detailed logs from txhouston. However, I am of the opinion that the forum works best when each topical cure has its own thread and does not just add onto an existing thread for some other plant. Even though the search function is very helpful, a newcomer might not realize that actually a new topic was started within an existing topic. So, I think that I will copy your info to a new thread. Here it is: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=733
Thanks for all your postings, though. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 01:40:05
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| After using curaderm for 2 years, I decided to stop and let things settle down for awhile before starting on petty spurge. I tried curaderm with and without dmso. It seems to work on some things and other things its really slow. I even got up to 7 times a day. After stopping the use of curaderm, I waited about 2 months and one of the places on my nose would not heal. So since petty popped up in my bougainvillea I decided to go for it. I put a drop on the scab, put some tape on it. Day 3 took off the tape with the scab and there was a whole. day 5, still a whole. putting it on twice a day. The pain is nowhere near the pain of the curaderm. Another popped up right below the first one so I'm doing them both. No scabs, a little liquid. hope this works. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2010 : 13:55:13
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this is after 8 mo. of curaderm and i decide to stop.
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6 days into petty. All so after trying garlic,alloe, duct tape, curaderm, I Finally got rid of a wort using petty. That was 6 mo. ago. Dan I can now work the photo thing. Thank You
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2010 : 17:58:51
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Marsha,
Thank you for posting the pictures. Your experience with Curaderm helps to illustrate why it is so important that we try to help each other. Sometimes it seems that skin cancer is considered insignificant -- that is, until it's actually on your own face. The attempts here to find gentle cures that work permanently are very worthwhile, in my opinion.
Please post some follow-up pictures, showing how well the skin looks after you have finished applying the medicine and nature's healing has done its best. I wish you the best possible results. |
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Gabby
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 23:53:08
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Marsha,
Wishing you all the best. Let us know how it goes. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 10:49:27
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Day 13, I'm going to need a forest of this stuff. |
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 10:54:49
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Another 7 days or so of twice daily applications, and you might then think about giving your nose a chance to heal up. Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like only a couple of spots are really active.
Carry on and keep us informed.
Put on a bandaid and enjoy your 4th of July!
Love to you, Marsha. |
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2010 : 13:16:34
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Looks like a pretty typical Petty Spurge excavation project to me. It has connected the dots between the two focal points, probably wiped out some sub-clinical stuff which was on its way to becoming malignant, anyway. That's the good thing about PS: you get a bonus preemptive strike against areas that probably aren't full-blown BCC yet -- but are heading that way.
I'm not a Dr nor a PS expert by any means but after 13 days, personally I'd be inclined to lay off now, let it scab over, heal up, and then see what you've got. Looks pretty clean and like it wants to heal up now if you let it. In reading the patent pdf's at the Peplin website I don't find any reference to these extended treatment periods. Most of the examples there describe 3 to 5 days, if I recall correctly. If it turns out there are still some lingering hot spots later, you can hit them again with PS in a "mopping up" operation and it seems to work just as well the next time around (i.e., I haven't seen any sign that the BCC develops a resistance, or that the PS loses its effectiveness.) It will "find" any leftover residual stuff, target that, and leave the other healed areas alone. Just my two cents. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 11:33:15
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Thank you so much for responding.The feed back is really important. I feel so relieved. Im putting in another photo, If you will notice there are now 3 or more white dots at the bottom, where there was one before.
I think those white dots are basil cell root tips. My sc did not have white dots but my basil cell does. I think I probably have both.
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 16:06:55
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Marsha,
You might want to hit the "white dots" for a few more days. If you have been applying sap for 13 days so far since abandoning the Curaderm. One of the contributors to this thread wrote about continuing until the treatment area was "uniformly inflamed" then stopping. IIRC, after stopping at that point, the healed former lesion site was uniform in appearance. That said, the "white" tissue that is showing may well be killed off, and in the process of sloughing off.
Good work! Happy 4th to you. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:40:23
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I obtained a petty spurge plant. I took a cutting and put it into an Aerogarden. Within a day the cutting looks better than it did on the plant.
I expect the cutting to take root within a week and the cutting to resume growth. This suggests that Aerogarden indoor hydroponics system will grow Petty Spurge all year around.
I bought my Aerogarden from Bed Bath and Beyond on clearance for $65. I checked craigslist here in Houston and see 6 for sale at prices starting at $35 each. The biggest single cost is replacement bulbs at $15 so this is a cheap way to go. You also get some fresh herbs as well so that will help spice up your life.
On day maybe dermatologists will have a few aerogardens growing petty spurge to treat cancers. |
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txhouston
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:49:35
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I also noted in the Dandelion area that I switched to Petty Spurge once I obtained a petty spurge plant. Immediately the area erupted with small blisters. I do think that the Dandelion knocked back the BCC but did not root it out. This may be a systemic problem with Dandelion or it may be due to the fact that I did not get suffcient latex from Dandelion.
I am posting this here as now I am on a Petty spurge treatment regimen rather than a Dandelion regimen. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 16:52:14
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| Responding to Marsha's progress with Curaderm and now Petty Spurge; I would continue using the P.S. since you've done a lot of the hard work of getting to the bottom layers of skin and revealing the source of the problem. You have the cancer in your sites, I say keep at it! I've found when I don't use the P.S. long enough, and let it heal over, it's not really gone at all. Then starting all over again and with me, taking several weeks to get to the bottom layer of the problem again. Maybe I just have a slow metabolism, or poor immunity (don't we all on this list), but I think you should use the P.S. until it stops reacting, stops bleeding and pussing, and gets shallower, even if this takes weeks. Just my two cents! |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 10:14:53
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| clearlake, I was just about ready to stop when i read your post. I thought maybe I was taking it to extremes. On the other hand, I used curaderm on about 5 places that did heal on there own, even while putting on the curaderm. They poured out yellow stuff, then stopped, then healed. I see that my petty spurge site is filled with yellow stuff when I take off the bandage. So I was thinking it wasn't done yet. Did you get any of those white dots? Not around the edges,but inside. |
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txhouston
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:39:52
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| I am unable to upload a picture of my leasions. I am getting a different reaction that is more like blisters than scaling I got from chemotherapy. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:21:32
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Hey Marsha
I've used the Petty Spurge on my arm, and now I'm using it on my face for the second time. On my arm, I think I got one area to clear of Basal Cell, but I still need to go back and do some other areas on the arm that were revealed later during the treatment. The area that seems cleared took about 10 weeks. It's just that those other areas were getting painful to do and I took a break. I guess they are deep, and I did not spend 10 weeks on the newer, revealed spots. I used the PS on my face on a large area for about 3 weeks and it all lit up; however it was too ambitious of an area, and I quit and let it heal up to see if it was gone, but it seems to not have been treated thoroughly enough.
I then got inspired by Svanip on this thread who treated just one small area and was able to carry on with his life during the process. So now I'm treating what I thought was a not-too-severe set of spots forming a swath from bridge of nose to under eye socket on my right side of the face. Imagine where eye glasses rest, those are the spots. I'm working on week 6 on this general area, it all lit up of course, more is being revealed as time goes on and the bridge of my nose is quite raw. I cover it with a few well placed tan pieces of 3M tape listed on this site. The cheek area is doing some scabbing over, don't know if it's done; in my experience with my arm, it will do this for awhile, scab over, be raw, bleed some more, etc. My feeling is that it's not done until the area looks like normal skin, maybe red though, and stops reacting to the PS.
Anyway, this is my summer experiment, I want to see if it works, so I'm a guinea pig just like everyone else. Marsha, your lesion looks deep, so I would give it some more time. Perhaps your spot will respond faster than mine. I think Joybells post on this thread is misleading, because her spots seem like very minor ones, or precancers, so they clear in 8 days. Hers look nothing like yours. Yours is much deeper. I think Joybell jumps on hers at the first sign, whereas we have longstanding issues that are more stubborn. I can't tell you what the white dots are. Maybe if you continue, you can inform us what they do. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 11:01:04
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My petty spurg was drying up so I had to go pull some up from my friends yard.It was really scruffy looking. Its in a glass of water. This time I used an eye dropper, works well. The juice from her plant is thicker and stays where I put it. I keep a bandage on my spot all the time, so I dont get any scabbing. Curaderm works really fast for pre cancer and surface spots, I think ps would be the same.Anyway here is todays picture,looks better but who nose,(joke)
I really put alot on this morning. Just to be sure.
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:03:09
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Marsha,
It looks like it is already healing from the edges, and the inflammation looks like it is abating. I like Clearlake's protocol, in large part because it is based upon experience in dealing with a known recurring skin cancer. Good luck, kiddo. |
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:15:16
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Clearlake, and any others interested,
In May I started a POLL on this forum titled "Eyeglasses and Cancer on Face," @ http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=653 . You might be interested to participate.
I am one of the ones who think Candida colonies are at least partly to blame for skin cancers. Also, in my case, I seem to be at least mildly allergic to the parts used in eyeglasses (allergies to metal, etc. inherited from my mother). My thought was that the (sometimes mild, sometimes severe) allergic reaction to eyeglass parts causes irritation where the Candida colonies then move in, later to be followed by skin cancer in those who are susceptible. I felt I had to question why in particular that area of my face got the cancer spots. They did not seem to be related to sunburn areas. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2010 : 23:32:12
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| Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep. |
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Grace2Go
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 02:27:03
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Hi Marsha,
I'm not using petty spurge, but I have experienced many extreme itching times with other treatments I've used/am using on my basal cell. I've noticed that every time I have a severe itching phase it is followed by skin peeling off, or white bumps surfacing and coming out. So it seems like the itching is caused by cell die-off and is ultimately a good thing in the long run, even though it has kept me awake many nights.
It might be a good idea to not use the ps for a couple of days, and see how the area looks after resting from treatment. I've had my basal cell for several years, so I have many layers to work through. It's easier for me to deal with the treatment and healing process if I take a break from treatment while the peeling is going on. I put a salve or organic coconut oil on it during that time to help keep it from drying and cracking, and to soothe the inflamed skin.
I hope you get relief soon.
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Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 10:54:29
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Originally posted by marsha
Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
I've found that an herbal salve with an olive oil base made by Wiseways Herbals is great for itching. It's called Anti-Itch Salve. I've also used their All-Heal Salve for itching, minor cuts, etc. and it's great too. It has no toxic ingredients, another plus for me.
Hope you get relief soon.
Brigid
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Gabby
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 11:20:16
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Originally posted by marsha
Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
It is because of the deepness of the underlying cancer that it has continued to recur. Hopefully the PS has done what it does, and has gotten to the roots.
Best to you. |
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waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 17:09:18
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No answers, just thinking out loud:
My understanding is that the chief mechanism of petty spurge is two-fold: modulates protein kinase to induce cancer cell "suicide," then also instigates strong immune response, flooding area with neutrophils -- white blood cells that attack foreigners -- which is why it produces oozing, gnarly scabs, etc.
However, there is one other dimension to PS and that is it's rich in glycosides, which are chemically caustic. THAT'S why you don't want to get it in your eye.
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 13:40:21
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Marsha, we feel for you and know it takes courage to have gone this far! Whatever you decide to do, we support you. I know this is not a fun place to be! I know someone who got the exact same side of her nose replaced with surgery and some kind of skin graft, and she looks fine, and, lucky for her, the cancer has not returned.
Waverider, thanks for the helpful info in your post on the ingredients of PS. I also wonder about the wisdom of using PS for a long period, but I know from using it on my arm and face for shorter periods of time that the PS simply did not get rid of it and before long the cancer was rearing it's ugly head again. I don't think I'm a typical test case, though. My body system/immune system is very sluggish and slow. Some other, healthier individuals may find that PS works like a charm in 3 days. The skin cancer I'm finding on myself is never just one little spot - it's rooted to other spots now all over the center of my face. I'm just keeping at this section to see if this is going to work for me before giving up. Right now I'm not sure what my alternatives are. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 14:16:02
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Originally posted by waverider
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment.
With bloodroot if you apply it to healthy skin there is no reaction. I have a feeling it is the same with petty spurge... real simple test. try some in an area where you are sure the skin is healthy. That will give you the answer. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 17:08:50
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I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too. |
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marsha
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 02:07:07
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| First of all I want to thank all of you for responding. It makes me cry. I can feel really isolated and then all of a sudden you all answered. Thank you. Back to the nose. The white spots were gone. So I stopped using ps. Gracetogo your right about the itching. I remember that from the curaderm. But the itching was 5 times as bad. (But the pain with curaderm is 5 times as bad)Anyway, the next day the bottom half had totally healed over.The top half is still oozing and itching. I think the ps keeps working for a while after you stop using it. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 09:54:35
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Originally posted by waverider
I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too.
From reading about PS on the net, my understanding is that it does affect normal skin, is considered "toxic" for that reason. From what I remember it will irritate/redden it but not dig down the way it does where the cancer is. I'm going to try it on healthy skin as well to see what it does.
Has anyone fertilized their little sprouts? If so, at what point ie how tall were they? Mine are about 1 1/2-2" and have no leaves on the stems, only on the top. But I have one plant with 8 leaves which I grew in plain potting soil (as opposed to the soil/sand/vermiculite mix, and it always looked hardier than these spindly little creatures. |
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marsha
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 21:33:16
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This is the day before I freeked out and it went twice as deep.The white spots are almost gone.The bottom one is 2 days after I quit using ps.
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july 11th starting these new spots
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thanks01
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 18:37:32
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Marsha,
I have never yet succeeded with growing Petty Spurge, and also have never yet experienced these deep holes which concern you. (My only procedure so far, really was a Mohs with plastic surgery following).
I would just like to remark that your very good pictures do look like a "clean" process. I can believe this is scary, but to me it looks like you are really cleaning out the problem, and I just hope that these places now heal well for you.
I am just an interested bystander at the moment and can give no weight to my opinions. But I thank you for such clear and detailed sharing. This will definitely be part of the Petty Spurge history as we keep working on the forum here. |
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svanip
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:33:23
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Hey Looks and feels fine however at this stage I am not convinced that the BCC is gone - My derm Dr was not happy that I had taken this cousre of treatment, he called it "Petty Spurge" one of the caustic's and said that all this type of treatment does is drive the cancer below the surface and causes it to spread underneath the skin so - I am still worried its down deep somewhere !!
Lets hope he is wrong !!
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svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to lose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 20:36:37
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Marsha, I think it will heal up fine if you let it. It does look very "clean" as Thanks says -- just normal raw flesh. You will be living in Scab City for a while and if I were you, I'd let the scab stay there as long as it wants to. There may be some indentation there for a while after the scab sheds, which you can feel with your finger. That kind of wound is called a "tissue deficit" wound, versus a standard cut or slash, and it takes some time for space left by the eaten-away flesh (sorry, can't think of any less-graphic description) to be replaced with new tissue so that you can't feel any indentation anymore. It's a slow process. I can still detect some indentation on the back of my head where the PS excavated some BCC last year. But its all healed over with smooth clear flesh, so, no problem.
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 23:55:27
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| waverider, I don't get any scabs because I keep a piece of tape on all the time. I decide that the part of my nose was not finished at the top, It didn't heal like the bottom part and after looking at my picture again I notice one of those white spots. I too am worried about not getting the roots.It seems like it should be like curaderm.When the cancers gone it heals by its self even while you put on the cream. I had moes surgery in the same spot that I am working on now.They took out about a nickel size.Then I came home and went to another Dr. and he said that my nose looked terrible and he would fix it for me. He cut it back open and shaped it like an eye then stitched it up. Well that pulled the nostril up on one side and put a big lump across the bridge of my nose. Oh well. onward, So I'm going to check out the iodine and agrimony. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:22:15
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| Svanip, thanks for getting back to us with the follow-up information. Interesting that your Derm implies you have done yourself harm by using Petty Spurge. I was curious to hear if your doctors would do another biopsy to see if the spot was clear. Anyway, keep us posted on what happens with your Basal Cell. |
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marsha
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2010 : 10:39:28
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Svanip, I dont understand how your dr. can call this caustic. With all the prescription creams they use. Not to mention the burning and freezing and cutting.And I dont think this drives it deeper. I read up on the Iodine site and one thing that stood out was the Dr. was talking about the white spots. I hope I will know when this is done. I hope it will just heal by itself while still using the petty.
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This is july 16th and 17th.Notice the white spots.I don't know yet but I think they are shrinking. PS works so much faster than curaderm.
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
