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Gabby
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 Posted - 04/03/2010 : 21:58:31
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MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much....
MikE1,
I have just joined the forum which I found while researching skin cancer remedies. Been fighting AK's, BCC, and SCC for 25 odd years. PS looks very interesting to me. If you have extra seed, I'd appreciate some. We live just northwest of Atlanta--spurge (the wrong kind) is no stranger to my flower beds (the stuff erupts in my lawn, too) so I think I could get the PS to take off in a nice, moist sequestered spot with morning sun and mid-day and afternoon shade. I would have sent you a private email, but do not have enough posts on the list for the system to allow that (spammers are an inconvenience even when they are not around).
If you see this message and can send me a PM, I'd appreciate it. Happy Easter!  |
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Arrow
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 12:03:23
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| I live in Idaho and the map that is given on this site for pretty spurge shows that it can be found in Idaho. I recently met a guy who works for the state to control noxious weeds and they spend lots of time trying to control the spurge as it grows everywhere here and it it the cause of blindness in wild animals and lots of other havoc for farmers. It is not pretty spurge or peplus but another very similar variety that is much more toxic called leafy spurge and they look similar but this one grows taller. Just wanted to warn you guys who may be looking for wild harvest. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 19:03:39
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Yes, be careful to get the EXACT variety of spurge. I also took interest in a local variety that easily grows wild here, called Cypress Spurge. That one also causes blindness if it gets in the eye and no one seems to making claims about it helping with skin cancer.
So, be sure to get the RIGHT KIND of the spurge plant, called Petty Spurge, Euphorbia Peplus, even if you have to send away for it. Thanks for your informative post. |
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bccinsc
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 12:32:58
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Hi, I am new and tried to email you Mike, to see if I could get a few petty surge seeds. It wouldn't allow me to email as I'm new on the board. If you are still here reading, I would so appreciate it. I'd be glad to send a SASE. Please let me know.
Edited to add, after posting this it allowed me to email you Mike. I hope you don't mind. I was diagnosed with a BCC and given Aldara which is making me sick and giving intense headaches. I hope you can send me some petty seeds. Thanks in advance. |
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anemone
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 21:19:59
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svanip, I am so glad you are posting pictures of your treatment with Petty Spurge. Thank you! I have a SCC on my upper lip so your pictures are of great interest!
Also, I want to extend my gratitude to all of you who have shared their knowledge and experiences with Petty Spurge. Although this is my first post, I have been reading for quite a while. I ordered the seeds fom Australis from the website posted on this board. I got somewhere between 60-75% germination rate. Instead of culling, I separated the seedling and repotted the "extras" in their own pots. So far, I have only lost 1 seedling. Hopefully they will continue to do well. Once they are large enough, I will begin my treatment and hope it works for me.
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/09/2010 : 19:35:10
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To svanip,
Your day-by-day pictures are useful. Hope you keep it up until the spot is healed, so that we can see how really good the results are. Thanks. |
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Grace2Go
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 13:13:05
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Thanks for posting the pics of your progress. I'm very interested in how the process goes to use Petty Spurge, and seeing a picture diary of the progress helps know what to expect. I ordered seeds from Beautanicals also, and was very pleased with the price and service.
I'm currently waiting on my plants to grow big enough to use the sap on my bcc, they're in the baby stage now, and have a total of four tiny leaves.
Wishing you great results.
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
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Skyena
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 23:24:21
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Glad to hear all the good reports. I've had my seeds a couple months now, been busy, and time seems to go by so fast didn't get them planted right away. I planted all 30 little seeds 4 days ago in 3 jiffy starter pots, with jiffy seed starter soil, been watering them every day, went in the kitchen this morning and I have a whole mess of seedlings that came up in all 3 pots. They came up quick, wasn't expecting anything for at least 10 days. Now just hope and pray they make it. Will hit them with some plant food in a couple days since they are so tiny right now. Fingers crossed. If for some reason they don't make it I'll just order some more. |
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mikE1
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 19:15:36
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Hi All:
Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!) |
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 20:58:38
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| svanip,now is the time for you to hang in there and keep us posted. It's this kind of questionable period that we never hear the end of and it will help us to keep track if you follow this through, with pictures, until the end. It's quite possible that Petty Spurge has done its work and that the spot just needs to settle down after being so disturbed. I certainly don't know the answer. Maybe you will just have to try another round of Petty Spurge. We have had such enthusiastic reports about Petty Spurge that it seems very important to get the end results of your very careful posting. We are grateful for that. Thx |
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waverider
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 23:17:02
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Svanip, many thanks for the effort you put into your excellent series. I'm intending to post my results, also with superficial BCC (on the back of my scalp) but haven't had the time. But here's my two cents for what it's worth. You've done a great job and have, perhaps, knocked it out. Too soon to tell. In my case, I had the classic sBCC, which originated at one focal point -- I assume this is where it started, and dug pretty deep -- then spread out from there in the typical superficial way, never producing any vertical growth, just etching into the skin and skipping around in little "hot spots" in a circle about 1/2 inch maximum. After growing petty spurge from the Australian seeds last fall, I first did a 5-day application of PS. A scab formed after the first day or so, but I kept putting it on anyway. The scab did the normal thing: got very thick and gnarly and took almost 10 days or more to flake off. What I saw when it did flake off was a mixed bag -- the PS totally obliterated all the superficial spread, replacing it with clear healthy skin. Great success there. However, at the focal point, the deepest point, it still looked a bit "iffy." Reading back over the posts on this topic, I noticed this same issue addressed by SoFl (another to whom we should all be indebted for such a detailed, definitive account of his experience -- he's a pioneer!) SoFl described an enhanced approach for dealing with those very deep "entrenched" focal spots: that is, to NOT let them scab over, but to wash the scab off daily and reapply the PS directly into the deep "bloody pit" (as I believe he descriptively called it.) This made sense to me as I never thought the PS was getting down in there after the first or second application because the scab had pretty much closed it off. After observing the questionable area for a month or so, I decided to hit it again. The PS totally ignored the previously treated area -- nothing of interest there anymore. But, it lit up a small area where the deep stuff had been and started excavating into it. I found it easy to dislodge the scab that resulted in the hot steamy shower every a.m. and, afterwards, to bomb it right down into the depths with petty spurge fresh from my patio "crop." I did that for 5 days straight, once a day, filling up the little crater with a blob of milky sap. Then after the fifth day I discontinued and let it go ahead and scab over and heal up. It formed a *really* thick scab, almost like scar tissue, which took a full two weeks to break up. The results were far superior this second time around and I have no visual evidence of any remaining sBCC anywhere, even at that stubborn deepest point. Just smooth new skin and a slight indentation, which is normal for a tissue deficit wound like this where flesh has been removed. Of course, only time will tell, but so far so good.
So, for those dealing with the deeply dug in stuff, instead of letting it scab over, it may be worth washing it off so you can keep delivering the PS into the bloody, oozing deepest parts! The function of a scab is of course to seal off a wound. But, for my purpose at least, I think that may have been the flaw in my first attempt. Given how thick these typical PS scabs are, I have great doubts that repeated applications were penetrating during the first course of treatment once it scabbed over.
As an aside: soon after this I also discovered a little hot spot slightly removed from the previous treatment area. I think I just physically missed it the first time around. It was literally smaller than the head of a pin but the PS did it's thing and totally wiped it out. Made a little scab which I removed during application for two or three days, then let it heal up. No sign of it now.
I guess the bottom line is that this stuff can be used for multiple attacks. It seems to be just as potent the second and even third time around, while leaving previously treated areas totally undisturbed. And, as SoFl noted, as you continue to use it you become more comfortable, less wary that it's going to do anything extreme on you, etc. So I will keep watching for recurrences and/or new stuff. But if anything shows up, instead of heading for an appointment with the scalpel, I'll head out onto my patio with my little scissors. |
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waverider
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 09:13:49
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For myself (and I can only speak for myself as I'm not an MD) I didn't see any downside to waiting about a month after the first application to let the smoke clear and see what was happening. That was my personal "guinea pig" experiment, but it might be too long for some to wait. I know from reading some of the references in the Peplin patent that it's common to have inflammation, etc, persisting after the treatment, so it might be difficult to differentiate between that and any leftover BCC. Dan has written on some other threads that there is a point where it's advantageous to stop treatment and let normal healing + the status quo get re-established. Then you can better determine what you've got. Most BCC is slow to grow anyway, so I reasoned that it probably wasn't likely to go wild on me if I backed off for just a few weeks. It doesn't seem to have made any difference to the PS, as it worked just as well the second time around. But we're all experimenters here, and exactly how intensive and how long the course of treatment should be is one of the X factors in all of this.
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Thanks mate - I am a little concerned myself that I got it all in this round, it is little hard to tell from the images and I don't know what I am looking at - I am considering to wait a little longer for healing before I smash the leftovers again if any - what are your thoughts ??
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anemone
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 12:43:15
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Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.
Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.
My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip. |
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svanip
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 19:52:01
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Thanks for your interest - FYI the deeper area is only in the area from where the Shave Biopsy was taken by the Doctor, in the surrounding area there were no craters.....
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Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.
Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.
My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip.
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Gabby
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 20:16:14
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Waverider,
Thanks for sharing your protocol. It makes sense to me, too. I have some seeds on the way, and will keep it in mind when going after my own 'crusty patches'. 
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Grace2Go
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 01:18:17
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Your bcc area looks great svanip! Thanks for posting the regular pictures of your progress.
My 3 little plants are growing very slowly, but as soon as one is big enough I'll be starting the sap treatment on my bcc.
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
So far - 24th of March 2010 - I went for a Skin Check with my local GP I pointed out a legion I was concerned about "not seen by Dr" - A Shave biopsy taken following day of a 7 x 4 mm legion on Upper Left Lip region....
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Biopsy / Histology result was of a multifocal superficial BCC..
GP referred to plastic surgeon for surgical removal - surgeon not available to see me 12 weeks.....
After much deliberation and investigation I decided to try Petty Spurge treatment - it pretty much grows in every garden as a pest weed here......
6 April Image shows – Start "2 weeks post shave biopsy" - Then the following morning after initial application of the Milk/Sap.
Euphorbia Peplus - Petty Spurge - Radium Weed - Cancer Weed
SEEDS - try here www.beautanicals.com.au ( Service was very good )
WARNINGS:
This substance contains known carcinogens....  Try it at your own risk !!!
You may need to copy and paste this link.....
www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge" target="_blank">http://www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge(Petty)/Spurge(Petty).htm
Treatment:
What does the active ingredient do:
Basically the Sap starts to kill the Cancer Cells (Cell Necrosis) within hours of the application then the active components in the sap induce a secondary inflammatory response at the site of the application within 24-48 Hrs, which in turn generates tumor-specific antibodies to hopefully get rid of the balance of the nasty cells.... Something like that anyway - in very simple terms....
My treatment plan 12 Days twice a day application.....
Pre Treatment Image - 2 Weeks Post BCC Shave Biopsy
Me: svanip@hotmail.com
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First Day of Treatment !
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Day 2 approx 36 Hrs Post Euphorbia Peplus Sap/Latex Application - it is growing
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Day 2 Afternoon Update - Its drying out and not stinging so much..... 
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Day Six - Morning Image - sorry re the lack of weekend images. It was a very painful weekend but not unbearable - the scab had completely covered the inflamed areas and came off on several occasions. I do quite a bit of sport - ie cycling and swimming so with the sweating and being in the water for several hours the area was scab free. The area seems to have stopped growing and feels like it is calming down somewhat ie: less pain and less blistering scabbing etc -I am opting for a review after the 12 Day x twice a day application period which is a little more than most I have read about online using Euphorbia Peplus raw sap only - I will continue to apply until the scabbing has been resolved then rest and recovery. I do not wash the sap off and I have not covered the area -unless showering etc then I re apply and let it dry on the treatment area - The amount of sap I use is quite small - a tiny drop - maybe the size of a pin head or two. This seems to be an ample quantity to soak into the treatment area - the sap is quite watery and not very viscous - it flows very willingly and spreads out over the area rapidly - the activity of the sap appears to radiate out and around the original treatment area without any need to cover it completely be careful this is a very strong substance indeed - as you can see from the images. I noted that several people had stated the the treatment was not painful - well on the face it is quite painful and it burns for several hours, if you can imagine a mild acid or caustic burn - that is what it is similar too - for me anyway.... enjoy
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Day 6 of treatment....
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Day 7 Images - The area appears to be healing and feeling OK the scabbing is very thick and firm now - the treatment area has some skin flaking around the margin - I am still applying the raw sap to the top of the scab after showering etc - it is still burning, so I guess the treatment is still working......
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This afternoons shot of the crusty demon - was a mild burning sensation all day "as usual" no great change today !
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Morning of Day 8 - Feeling similar scab is quite thick still some mild stinging after application of raw sap - not unbearable though.
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Afternoon Day 8 - Its Itchy and annoying !
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Morning Day 9 went for a hard twilight bike ride last night a lot of sweating etc - so in the middle of the scab the dark area is a crater about 3mm deep which obviously washed out with the fluids. this was the location of the original BCC Site - Ewwwwww Gross .....
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Afternoon Day 9 - Not much to report - its very crusty itchy and annoying - the scab is huge and very thick, you cant see it on the image really...
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Morning Day 10 - Went for a 2K swim last night - scab is still mainly intact due to attached beard I think - not much change to the area, it is tender and a little itchy quite a bit of new pink skin is visible - I use a prescription antibacterial cream called Bactroban 2% at night over the entire area - want to minimize any secondary infection after swimming etc.
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Afternoon Day 10 - Feeling OK at the moment not much pain at all today, scab is shrinking "with help" if it wasn't in such a prominent position you would barley know it was there
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Morning Day 13 after some sporting activities and shaving the large scabs came of with a smaller center piece from the original BCC site still remains... have stopped the application of the raw sap and am covering the area with Bactroban 2% to aid in healing the area... lets hope that the BCC is dead and gone !!! 
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Afternoon Day 13
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This is a close up of the site morning Day 13 v's Day 1 pre application..
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Day 14 Scab came off and left area visible......Second image is a close up shot - not sure if the BCC is gone or still alive.....
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Afternoon Day 14
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Morning Day 15 Healing well.....
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 18:18:48
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| Looks like it is quieting down. Please do not give up on keeping us posted until you have nice renewed skin - hopefully. |
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ewittman
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 22:08:11
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My plants finally grew large enough and I've been applying PS to the suspected area on the side of my nose. I plan to do a pictorial as svanip did. Very interesting process. I will say that not only did the PS sap aggressively go after my confirmed BC spot (via biopsy), but went to a much larger area including suspected spots I had in other small spots on my nose and on my check. It's almost as if the PS sap attacks the network where BC has grown.
The biggest question I have of others who have tried is both when to stop and what are proven after treatment solutions (e.g. Vitamin E vs. Neosporin, etc.) I'm also trying on other spots and it appears that there is a reaction but more of a swelling of the skin vs. the aggressive deep attack on the proven BC areas. So my personal theory is that even "good" skin has a reaction but it's more like a blistering reaction vs. an attack on the underlying skin where BC has dug in. Again, we are all playing MDs on this forum and we've all got our personal theories but this is my current feeling given skin reactions after the past 10 days of using the PS sap.
More to report as I progress...
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svanip
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 23:20:13
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Most of the reports i could find and the raw sap studies - refer to the original trials that were 3 applications per day for twelve days - and yep i would recommend keeping the area scab free where possible so the sap can be applied into the main area of the bcc site "only" remembering that it spreads very well...:-)
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My plants finally grew large enough and I've been applying PS to the suspected area on the side of my nose. I plan to do a pictorial as svanip did. Very interesting process. I will say that not only did the PS sap aggressively go after my confirmed BC spot (via biopsy), but went to a much larger area including suspected spots I had in other small spots on my nose and on my check. It's almost as if the PS sap attacks the network where BC has grown.
The biggest question I have of others who have tried is both when to stop and what are proven after treatment solutions (e.g. Vitamin E vs. Neosporin, etc.) I'm also trying on other spots and it appears that there is a reaction but more of a swelling of the skin vs. the aggressive deep attack on the proven BC areas. So my personal theory is that even "good" skin has a reaction but it's more like a blistering reaction vs. an attack on the underlying skin where BC has dug in. Again, we are all playing MDs on this forum and we've all got our personal theories but this is my current feeling given skin reactions after the past 10 days of using the PS sap.
More to report as I progress...
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svanip
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Posted - 04/27/2010 : 02:34:12
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Treatment using Petty Spurge for BCC
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svanip
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Posted - 04/27/2010 : 02:54:05
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
So far - 24th of March 2010 - I went for a Skin Check with my local GP I pointed out a legion I was concerned about "not seen by Dr" - A Shave biopsy taken following day of a 7 x 4 mm legion on Upper Left Lip region....
9 Days Pass
Biopsy / Histology result was of a multifocal superficial BCC..
GP referred to plastic surgeon for surgical removal - surgeon not available to see me 12 weeks.....
After much deliberation and investigation I decided to try Petty Spurge treatment - it pretty much grows in every garden as a pest weed here......
6 April Image shows – Start "2 weeks post shave biopsy" - Then the following morning after initial application of the Milk/Sap.
Euphorbia Peplus - Petty Spurge - Radium Weed - Cancer Weed
SEEDS - try here www.beautanicals.com.au ( Service was very good )
WARNINGS:
This substance contains known carcinogens.... Try it at your own risk !!!
You may need to copy and paste this link.....
www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge" target="_blank">http://www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge(Petty)/Spurge(Petty).htm
Treatment:
What does the active ingredient do:
Basically the Sap starts to kill the Cancer Cells (Cell Necrosis) within hours of the application then the active components in the sap induce a secondary inflammatory response at the site of the application within 24-48 Hrs, which in turn generates tumor-specific antibodies to hopefully get rid of the balance of the nasty cells.... Something like that anyway - in very simple terms....
My treatment plan 12 Days twice a day application.....
Me: svanip@hotmail.com
Pre Treatment Image - 2 Weeks Post BCC Shave Biopsy
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Day 2 Afternoon Update - Its drying out and not stinging so much.....
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Day Six - Morning Image - sorry re the lack of weekend images. It was a very painful weekend but not unbearable - the scab had completely covered the inflamed areas and came off on several occasions. I do quite a bit of sport - ie cycling and swimming so with the sweating and being in the water for several hours the area was scab free. The area seems to have stopped growing and feels like it is calming down somewhat ie: less pain and less blistering scabbing etc -I am opting for a review after the 12 Day x twice a day application period which is a little more than most I have read about online using Euphorbia Peplus raw sap only - I will continue to apply until the scabbing has been resolved then rest and recovery. I do not wash the sap off and I have not covered the area -unless showering etc then I re apply and let it dry on the treatment area - The amount of sap I use is quite small - a tiny drop - maybe the size of a pin head or two. This seems to be an ample quantity to soak into the treatment area - the sap is quite watery and not very viscous - it flows very willingly and spreads out over the area rapidly - the activity of the sap appears to radiate out and around the original treatment area without any need to cover it completely be careful this is a very strong substance indeed - as you can see from the images. I noted that several people had stated the the treatment was not painful - well on the face it is quite painful and it burns for several hours, if you can imagine a mild acid or caustic burn - that is what it is similar too - for me anyway.... enjoy
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Day 7 Images - The area appears to be healing and feeling OK the scabbing is very thick and firm now - the treatment area has some skin flaking around the margin - I am still applying the raw sap to the top of the scab after showering etc - it is still burning, so I guess the treatment is still working......
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This afternoons shot of the crusty demon - was a mild burning sensation all day "as usual" no great change today !
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Morning of Day 8 - Feeling similar scab is quite thick still some mild stinging after application of raw sap - not unbearable though.
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Morning Day 9 went for a hard twilight bike ride last night a lot of sweating etc - so in the middle of the scab the dark area is a crater about 3mm deep which obviously washed out with the fluids. this was the location of the original BCC Site - Ewwwwww Gross .....
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Afternoon Day 9 - Not much to report - its very crusty itchy and annoying - the scab is huge and very thick, you cant see it on the image really...
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Morning Day 10 - Went for a 2K swim last night - scab is still mainly intact due to attached beard I think - not much change to the area, it is tender and a little itchy quite a bit of new pink skin is visible - I use a prescription antibacterial cream called Bactroban 2% at night over the entire area - want to minimize any secondary infection after swimming etc.
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Afternoon Day 10 - Feeling OK at the moment not much pain at all today, scab is shrinking "with help" if it wasn't in such a prominent position you would barley know it was there
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Morning Day 13 after some sporting activities and shaving the large scabs came of with a smaller center piece from the original BCC site still remains... have stopped the application of the raw sap and am covering the area with Bactroban 2% to aid in healing the area... lets hope that the BCC is dead and gone !!!
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Day 14 Scab came off and left area visible......Second image is a close up shot - not sure if the BCC is gone or still alive.....
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adfecteau
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 12:33:16
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Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
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dan
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 00:47:30
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Grace2Go
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 11:59:23
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Does anyone know about how long the plants take to grow big enough to have useable sap? I have mine growing in clay pots with organic soil, in a sunny spot, watering with mostly rain water. I germinated 7 seeds, but only 3 came up in the starter soil. Now each plant has six tiny leaves on a spindly stem about 1-3/4 inches tall, but it's taken them almost 8 weeks to get to this size. The plants look healthy, they just aren't growing very fast.
I have more seeds, so I'm thinking about doing another batch going by the Farmer's Almanac gardening guide for best days to plant. I didn't think to check it before starting my PS seeds, but more than half of them did die in the soil, and FA says seeds die in the soil if you plant at the wrong time. I've known many farmers to go by the almanac for planting their crops, and my grandparents always planted their gardens by the almanac. Then it was just a small book that came out once a year that they consulted for everything from planting to fishing, weather and weaning. Now some parts of it are available online too, and it's interesting to see what's in the "Best Days" section for various things.
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/gardening/
Sorry for the ramble, this bcc has been tormenting me day and night and I'm wanting it to be gone.  I don't want to start more plants if the other ones will be ready soon, since they probably wouldn't last in the ground here (I'm in a zone where they don't naturally grow, and apparently they know it!!) and I don't have enough room for an abundance of PS house plants.
Having a kind of day,
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
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Gabby
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 22:19:28
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
Alexis
Alexis,
I didn't have enough activity to be able to use the direct email feature either. Mike saw my post and promptly got in touch with me. I bet he responds quickly to you as well.
All the best, kiddo!
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adfecteau
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 00:55:04
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Originally posted by adfecteau
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
Alexis
Alexis,
I didn't have enough activity to be able to use the direct email feature either. Mike saw my post and promptly got in touch with me. I bet he responds quickly to you as well.
All the best, kiddo!
Gabby
Looks like you have to do at least one post to be able to email. I guess we're both good now!
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beecave
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 15:37:15
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Dear Friends,
I had my first BCC surgically removed from the left side of my forehead back in 1998. Since then I have had four other BCC's removed by surgery from my face/neck and have had many scabby spots on my head and arms frozen or burned off. I recently had two other Bcc's on my face and neck confirmed by biopsy, and am using Imiquimod on my cheeks and neck per my doctors advice to treat those. I am a week into that treatment. Back in March, after reading your posts here, I ordered PS seeds from Australia, and have been growing those since early April 2010. My question is this. The plants should be ready to use around the end of June. How long should I wait before treating any left over spots using PS? I know that you probably aren't MD's, but any personal advice would be much appreciated. |
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adfecteau
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 19:38:22
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My plants are doing great now and I have harvested many seeds - let me know if you would like to get some.
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Hi -
I just ordered seeds and will be growing them soon, any tips on getting them germinate well and to flourish?
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Dan A
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 10:51:07
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adfecteau
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 14:33:27
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I used a product called "wonder soil" (google it). Just keep them moist and they will germinate in about a week. Once they came up I put them under a grow light, keeping them moist or even wet, don't let them dry out. I started the seeds March 10th and now the bush is about 8" round and had to re-pot it twice and it's due for another now.
Thanks Dan, I'll do that. I hope it works. I had Mohs surgery on Wed, developed a rapid massive staph infection and have been hospitalized on Vancomycin for 2 days now....topical treatment would be preferable... |
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svanip
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 19:35:03
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 20:40:43
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Svanip,
I am asking this question sincerely: what difference do you see between Day 31 and Day 1, at which time is your skin in better condition and do you think the cancer is gone by Day 31? The reason I ask is that I see as much if not more inflammation on Day 31, and I find it hard to tell if this is just a residual reaction and you can call it a success. This is why I have previously asked you to keep us posted for some time after the "experiment." Perhaps the pink inflammation still remaining will disappear in the next week or so. I would like to know. Are you planning to get another biopsy to test the success here? I ask because it seems that it is at this stage - the "finish" - that the determination of success becomes questionable. |
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svanip
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Posted - 05/10/2010 : 20:23:06
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Hi, I hope that the BCC is all gone - the skin is not inflamed really its pink and new' my appointment with the Plastic surgeon is on June 4th, so at that point I will have an informed answer, for which I am looking forward to a positive result. I will have a biopsy if the Plastic Surgeon recommends one - also the images are quite harsh you can see a lot more than is seen by the eye normally - but in general the area feels different and is slowly healing I think it will take quite some time to get back to normal, will keep you up to date !!
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Svanip,
I am asking this question sincerely: what difference do you see between Day 31 and Day 1, at which time is your skin in better condition and do you think the cancer is gone by Day 31? The reason I ask is that I see as much if not more inflammation on Day 31, and I find it hard to tell if this is just a residual reaction and you can call it a success. This is why I have previously asked you to keep us posted for some time after the "experiment." Perhaps the pink inflammation still remaining will disappear in the next week or so. I would like to know. Are you planning to get another biopsy to test the success here? I ask because it seems that it is at this stage - the "finish" - that the determination of success becomes questionable.
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 10:28:37
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| Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01 |
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 20:13:59
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Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01
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Grace2Go
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 20:30:24
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Wow! If I didn't know where the spot was from your previous pics it wouldn't have been easy to find! It looks like it's healing and blending in very well. Congratulations!!
My plants are still taking their sweet time growing, but they look better since I started watering every day, and put the pot in a less sunny spot. They were getting afternoon sun, now they just get a couple of hours of morning sun, and seem to like that better too.
Thanks for the updates!
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Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01
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Posted - 05/18/2010 : 14:52:56
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does anyone have seeds still available? I would be interested in getting some.
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Irene
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Posted - 05/18/2010 : 17:42:34
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I have fresh seeds - if you wish to purchase some, please contact me at ilester@sympatico.ca
Irene
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Brigid
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 17:26:32
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SoFi and Ridgeback,
Thank you for your posts on petty spurge. I'm going to try it. From a quick look at the link one of you (?) posted, the phase 3 trials sounds like it works for AKs on head and face, but you and Pikirny are saying it works for full-blown BCCs, right? Also, has anyone had success with it for SCCs?
Looking forward to hearing from anyone who's had success with it!
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Brigid
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 17:57:03
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SoFl Hi!
How is the spot on the leg doing? Are all the spots you had gone now???
Please update us! Thank you!
I am very happy to report that so far, every spot I have treated has been cured. When I say cured I mean no visible signs of cancer and a stable area that doesn't look like there is anything active or remaining. So I saved about $4,000 on the confirmed basil cell on my forehead for which he wanted to do more mohs surgery and then plastic surgery, and even more importantly the petty spurge somehow even though it ate very deep, left no visible scar unless you look at it from the exact right angle and from a few inches away. Furthermore, the areas it ate would have never been successfully removed with mohs, because there was unconnected cancer. In other words, they could have got a good margin, but unknown to them there was another area 1 or 2 mm from the main part. The petty spurge found it all.
Leg - cured.
Arm - cured.
I want to say thanks to this board. It took me lot of trial and error, and after trying basically everything with mixed results, I have a skin cancer treatment that works for me, and now I have a garden with petty spurge in it.
I will follow up by saying that in spite of a vigorous initial reaction, I have found that for me the best way to use it is until the entire treatment area looks inflamed but all the same. Basically I just use it until I'm sure it's done doing it's work. On the spot on my leg it ate a hole the size of a pencil eraser about 2mm deep, but then as I kept treating it, it started to heal up while it was still being treated. It wiped out the surrounding suspicious area without going as deep. I still have a small visible scar from the deep area, but the rest of the area looks like fine new skin.
I will do another report back in a year or so or if it returns in any of the spots. In the meantime I have a few AK's that I'm going to wipe out and basically I am done with dermatologists.
I would encourage other people who are messing around with stuff that may or may not work to look into petty spurge.
It's a great feeling to finally be in control of my bad skin and to have basically a free way to treat it instead of seeing Dr Hacker every 3 months. 2 of the 4 spots I was working on were areas that he had already treated and supposedly cured.
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Brigid
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Posted - 05/22/2010 : 17:45:09
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Has anyone used petty spurge for *invasive* basal cell carcinoma and also for squamous cell carcinoma? Does it work for these? I have both. Getting a little worried b/c I've had the tumors for 2 years. Want to avoid Mohs.
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Juls
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Posted - 05/28/2010 : 13:35:52
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I ordered some Petty Spurge. Planted all the seeds in some Jiffy seedling potting soil and jiffy starter pots. All the seeds sprouted in 4 days. I was excited. I first had them in a kitchen window and seemed to be doing well. I live in Tx and as the weather is now HOT and the kitchen stays warmer than the rest of the house, and reading the plant like cool conditions, I moved them to my bedroom. I built a little shelf in the window that gets light but not full sun. I also installed a Philips 15 watt plant/aquarium fluorescent light above them for lack of light they may get. They seemed to be doing good but really slow slow growing. It's been 2 months and they only got about 2" high. I water them every other day since the soil seems to stay moist. I did take the little jiffy pots they were growing in and put them in some clay pots with miracle grow potting soil. The last 2 days they have all fallen over, shriveled up except 1 atm. Bottom leaves are falling off it as well. So sure it will fall over here to anytime. I did order 5 more packs of seeds to start over. Just didn't have very good success on this first batch. I'm bummed. Those that have grown with success any tips would be most appreciated. Like I said I live in Galveston, tx so must grow inside. My bedroom has it's own ac unit and I keep the room at 71 so figured that would be the best and coolest place for them.
I also made a list of all the products to buy in the mean time on the "eggplant,orange oil,dmso,sunspot es,etc forum" I got the "Now" orange oil. I put that with some dmso on some of my small facial spots just to see how it would react before putting anything on some of my larger spots. HOLY MOLY lit me up. I was on fire dancing. Left it for about 5 min. all I could stand. Tried like crazy washing it but with the dmso had to endure the "seemed like an hr" 10 min of burn. On the larger ones I'm doing the "egg plant mixture" swapping some h2o2/ammonia/dmso mixture. Also doing Sunspot/dmso when I go to bed. I can do a little Sunspot on the quarter size one on my upper lip mixed with some pure Aloe. Burn is bearable till it ceases. Yes I'm playing around with some of these mixtures till I can ever get some Petty Spurge to grow.
I really love this site. Some very interesting info on here.
Oh yea and I did some vitamin C/h2o2/dmso on the large one on my lip. The space stations almost had company. Yes used the wrong "C". Wasn't pretty seeing me dancing and crying. I'm experimenting here hoping to find something that will work. Had the one on my upper lip removed a few yrs, back and it came back triple it's size. I know this time I'll end up losing half my lip and wherever else it has spread. I'll try anything to avoid that. I have numerous spots now on my face,arms,chest. Thanks to everyone here on this site with your information. My turn to play guinea pig.
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Grace2Go
64 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2010 : 15:04:14
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Hi Juls,
My experience with growing Petty Spurge has been the same as yours, they germinated really well, but after getting a couple of inches tall and a few leaves, they stopped growing. I've tried more water, less water, more sun, less sun, cooler, warmer, etc. and even rain water (which initially perked them up, then nothing).
I live in the south also where it's too hot to put them outside, but I'm ready to stick them in the ground and let them fend for themselves. In the meantime, my bcc is giving me fits!
One thing I haven't tried yet is Cansema, now called Amazon Salve. What I've read about using bloodroot has made me afraid to try it so far, but at this point my face is already disfigured from the bcc eating away at it, and I'm determined to not let the bcc win!
I hope you have better results with your next ps batch.
Keep us updated,
(Need)Grace 2 (keep)Go(ing)
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Originally posted by Juls
I ordered some Petty Spurge. Planted all the seeds in some Jiffy seedling potting soil and jiffy starter pots. All the seeds sprouted in 4 days. I was excited. I first had them in a kitchen window and seemed to be doing well. I live in Tx and as the weather is now HOT and the kitchen stays warmer than the rest of the house, and reading the plant like cool conditions, I moved them to my bedroom. I built a little shelf in the window that gets light but not full sun. I also installed a Philips 15 watt plant/aquarium fluorescent light above them for lack of light they may get. They seemed to be doing good but really slow slow growing. It's been 2 months and they only got about 2" high. I water them every other day since the soil seems to stay moist. I did take the little jiffy pots they were growing in and put them in some clay pots with miracle grow potting soil. The last 2 days they have all fallen over, shriveled up except 1 atm. Bottom leaves are falling off it as well. So sure it will fall over here to anytime. I did order 5 more packs of seeds to start over. Just didn't have very good success on this first batch. I'm bummed. Those that have grown with success any tips would be most appreciated. Like I said I live in Galveston, tx so must grow inside. My bedroom has it's own ac unit and I keep the room at 71 so figured that would be the best and coolest place for them.
I also made a list of all the products to buy in the mean time on the "eggplant,orange oil,dmso,sunspot es,etc forum" I got the "Now" orange oil. I put that with some dmso on some of my small facial spots just to see how it would react before putting anything on some of my larger spots. HOLY MOLY lit me up. I was on fire dancing. Left it for about 5 min. all I could stand. Tried like crazy washing it but with the dmso had to endure the "seemed like an hr" 10 min of burn. On the larger ones I'm doing the "egg plant mixture" swapping some h2o2/ammonia/dmso mixture. Also doing Sunspot/dmso when I go to bed. I can do a little Sunspot on the quarter size one on my upper lip mixed with some pure Aloe. Burn is bearable till it ceases. Yes I'm playing around with some of these mixtures till I can ever get some Petty Spurge to grow.
I really love this site. Some very interesting info on here.
Oh yea and I did some vitamin C/h2o2/dmso on the large one on my lip. The space stations almost had company. Yes used the wrong "C". Wasn't pretty seeing me dancing and crying. I'm experimenting here hoping to find something that will work. Had the one on my upper lip removed a few yrs, back and it came back triple it's size. I know this time I'll end up losing half my lip and wherever else it has spread. I'll try anything to avoid that. I have numerous spots now on my face,arms,chest. Thanks to everyone here on this site with your information. My turn to play guinea pig.
Juls
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Gabby
21 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 11:58:40
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Grace,
Planted twenty-odd seeds in planting mix placed in pressed cardboard egg flats (three nested together so they don't completely rot before the baby seedlings are ready for a transplant into a pot). After a week or 10 days I now have eight or nine half inch sprouts :) so far have just placed the flat in an east window--or out on the back deck which is pretty well shaded. They seemed to come up over-night. I prolly planted them deeper than was optimal for germination. Thanks to Mike on this list for the seeds. His are known good plants.
Will let you know how my progress in growing the plants goes. We are located on the north side of Atlanta, in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mtns.--lots of other "spurge" cousins that happily contaminate my flowerbeds and bare areas around the back side of my house, so I have hope for a good crop! The weather here, particularly in the spring is moderate, and this year we have been blessed with rain at good intervals.
More than one "crusty patch" that get periodic liquid nitrogen treatment courtesy of my Kaiser derm is now awaiting anointing with PS sap as soon as the plants are large enough.
I hope your horticultural efforts bear "fruit".
Take good care of yourself. |
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Megan Hunter
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 13:23:06
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| Hi guys my mum has basale skin carcinoma on her face and the surgeons keep cutting it out only for it to reappear. I have ordered seeds from Australia and hope to grow the radium weed; euphorbia peplus. Has anyone any advice on how to utilise the milky sap? and does it hurt applying it |
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
