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Grace2Go

USA
64 Posts

Posted - 12/13/2009 :  08:48:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just ordered a batch of the Euphorbia peplus seeds. I'm looking forward to getting a plant started at the first of the year.

Thanks for all the info and pics everyone has posted, it's been very helpful for deciding my next step in killing the bcc.


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clearlake

USA
25 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2009 :  11:52:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post.
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SoFl

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2009 :  18:28:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake

Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post.



The largest area I have treated myself was a biopsied BCC which was about 1/4 inch in diameter. During that treatment, the PS did seem to agitate some skin in the surrounding area and I did the same thing, applied it to the larger area, maybe a quarter in size. It reacted on some of the area and didn't react on some, leaving me to believe that the actual cancer although not visible prior to the treatment was larger than I suspected and very irregular and discontinuous in shape.

I seem to have fast healing skin maybe because I have a fast metabolism, I don't know. As you can see from the pictures I've posted, with only 3 days after treatment from a small but deep lesion it's almost healed except for the smallest deepest part of the crater.

As to whether it's possible to put too much on, I don't know. Some people in this thread and in other places I've read about continue to treat until the area heals while under treatment. I have done that myself in 2 cases. There just became less and less of a reaction until I said enough. In fact, if you apply it to a bloody pit, it seems to act to stop the bleeding and the whole area looks neat and clean although pitted.

My thinking just based on my own trial and error is that if I'm still getting a reaction, there is still something there. I have never used it on an area visible as large as a quarter, but I would suspect that something that large could probably also be deep. I treated an area by my ankle that I didn't think was much of anything and the PS made a crater so deep I didn't even know my skin was that thick. It subsequently healed up with a little bit of scarring but nothing bad, it looks like the scars I have from chigger bites.

I have had bleeding during the treatment on every lesion I've used it on that had any depth to it. I always try to make sure to let it eat as deep as it wants to go because I don't want to cure everything except the deep cells only to have it return from a deep spot later. I believe this is one of the main differences between PS and other experimental treatments, the PS goes deep with enthusiasm into a lesion whereas other surface treatments may cause you to think you cured something only to have it come back. On me, the PS is very selective. It leaves good skin alone. It might get a little red and irritated, but that's it.

I am by no means a dermatologist, but I have done a lot of reading, and from my understanding skin cells migrate from the lowest layers up to the top and the whole process takes about 28 days. So if you don't go deep enough and the base cancer layer remains, about a month later it's going to be back at the surface again. I have also read cautions that you want to get those deep layers, because if you don't, when it returns it could be from an even deeper level.

Anyway, maybe someone else with some experience with PS can throw their two cents in, although I have a fair amount of experience with it now, I'm still learning how to used it most effectively myself.

I can say that I am very pleased with the results regarding scarring even after a deep bloody treatment. The only really visible scars I have are from being hacked up by the dermatologist (and some of those returned after his slash and burn). To date, none of my PS treatments have returned.
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san1313

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2010 :  18:01:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil
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Grace2Go

USA
64 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2010 :  19:05:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My seeds came in and were in a padded envelope, so they are intact. I'm germinating a few next week to get started on growing the plants.

quote:
Originally posted by san1313

First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil


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gpz

Australia
4 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2010 :  22:10:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone,

thank you to all who have provided their personal stories here regarding petty spurge. I have had a BCC on my right cheek cut out 3 years ago, which returned within 12 months. A second treatment via curette and local photodynamic therapy cleared it up, but the area seemed to turn red and shiny again after 12 months. I tried the vinegar/eggplant mix without much success, so I read with interest about peoples' success with PS. I received seeds from the Beautanicals website about 4 months ago and planted some. They were slow to grow and were struggling, so I gave some seeds to my parents to grow (they have very green thumbs! :) ). They produced 2 large plants in half the time that mine took and am very pleased with their efforts.

I have started to apply the PS as a crushed leaf liquid last night, and see how it goes. I will provide feedback as best as I can.

cheers,

George.
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Mike

3 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2010 :  17:39:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SOFL,

I also live in SOFL...would love to get my hands on some petty spurge sap. Any chance you can sell some?
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dan

606 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2010 :  00:50:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work.
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san1313

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2010 :  21:24:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I started with Bob Beck protocol (bought the equipment) but never used it, Ive been a smoker for 20 some years and you cannot smoke on that treatment. second was the Iodine.While I think it could work, it ate the skin from my nose so bad I could not continue (this works great for atheletes foot!!) I have also used VIT C and it worked about the same as the baking soda but the soda is easier to apply. I guess when I said I tried so many things, I probably should have said I have looked at so many things, I have only tried 3. There is alot on hype on the internet, and when I see something that interest me I try to find out as much as possible. When I came across topicalinfo and found the PS thread I felt really good about it, you know, like a gut feeling. It also helped that soo many people here have posted pics and results, and I promise I will do the same for the next person.

quote:
Originally posted by dan

san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work.

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dlm

New Zealand
12 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2010 :  03:55:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been having lots of fun attacking sunspots all over my face. I get lots of sheer horror looks if I go out in public which I try not to do as I now have spots all over my face. It has been interesting this time around as I have had a couple of areas that have spread over a small area but has just remained on the top layers. Generally when applied to sunspots they go down and deep, sometimes spreading but they go deep too. These ones on my cheek were quite weird. I was making the most of the holidays and have probably gone way over how many you should do at a time..but this should be about it now unless anything else pops up. We have a ton of milkweed, it is a shame i can't send it overseas.
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ewittman

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2010 :  18:16:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?

i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went.
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drbeckl2

96 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2010 :  01:44:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I ran across some new info on a PROTOCOL from Australia on how to use petty spurge with chickweed herb, to treat bcc specicically. It is dated 1992.

you put the chickweed herb on first, for 5 days, to soften up the lesion & get it ready for the petty spurge to do it's work better.

This may be a significant advancement in curing skin cancer using petty spurge. It may make a big difference. Someone thot so.

I have no experience with it., myself.


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http://curezone.com/upload/Newsletter/Hypoglycemic_He/HYPONL9209.pdf

update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl


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drbeckl2

96 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2010 :  12:49:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi;

The petty spurge, (Euphorbia peplus), shown in photos on this thread is not the same plant as shown on another website, and used for skin cancer in Australia, by the skin expert Prof. Jim Aylward on this Australian website:

http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2009/05/milkweed-and-sk.html#

update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl

Edited by - drbeckl2 on 01/24/2010 21:49:09
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gpz

Australia
4 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  07:30:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ewittman

hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?

i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went.



Hi ewittman,

I made 5 applications of PS to my cheek over a period of 9 days. The first was with crushed leaf, the rest were with sap. I found the best way to get a decent amount of sap is to tug gently on a large leaf connected to the main stem of a bushy plant. The leaf came away from the stem right at the base of the leaf, and a drop of sap oozed out of the stem which was about 1 - 1.5mm in diameter each time.

I let the sap drop onto my finger and then rubbed it over the suspect area. The area reacted very strongly on the second day (the first day of sap only application), and by the fourth day, I had an inflamed area of skin about 1.5 cm in diameter with 3 separate spots of pusy looking skin. Two of these spots were exactly where it looked like the BCC had returned, and a third spot which was the smallest, an area I could not see before the application of PS.

The three spots scabbed up after a few days and took another few days to come off. I did not pick them off so there was no bleeding in my case.

It is now 16 days following the first application, and I am still waiting for the redness of the two larger spots to go away before I can make a complete assessment of what has happened. I have a suspicion that I may have stopped the applications too early. If the redness does not go away, I will begin a second course of applications, targeting these spots only. The redness of the surrounding skin has gone and the skin looks normal.

I experienced no pain, just ichiness of the inflamed area.

Cheers.


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drbeckl2

96 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  12:10:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
group;

GPZ has used the petty spurge sap & reported that he had no pain, even tho the lesion got inflamed for several days, the area swelled,, & some flesh/skin died, crusted over.

In reading a few articles & message boards by people who used this stuff; I have not heard anyone bring up that the trearment was pain-full to them. they just didn't report any pain factor being involved. At first, when I saw the on-line photos of redness, swelling. scabs forming; I just assumed that the procedure was painfull. I just assumed that. I assumed it was probably the same level of pai as the hoxsey salves/bloodroot salves. I just assumed they were so glad it worked that they did not focus on any of the pain levels.

Now GPZ's post has made me stop and think. Maybe I assumed wrongly about the pain being there. Maybe none of the other people mentioned any pain being involved because ther was not any.

If this holds true for other users of petty spurge, then the petty spurge treatment would qualify as a KINDER, GENTLER skin cancer treatment, that I have been looking for.

I would like to see other people who have used the petty spurge sap comment on how much pain & irritation that the petty spurge treatment caused them.

I understand that the cashew nut hull oil treatment is also a KINDER, GENTLER, skin cancer therapy. This is a great advancement in natural home treatment of skin cancers if it does cure the cancers as advertised.
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gpz

Australia
4 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  16:33:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
drbeckl2,

in response to your comments, I must add that my lesion was 2 very small visible areas of redness (returning BCC) on either side of the scar tissue from my previous treatments.

This may have played a large part in why I experienced no pain. I also experienced no swelling.

For others who have large lesions (like Sofl?), their experience may be totally different. I do not have any other suspect areas, so am not able to provide any further information for consideration.

Kind Regards.

Edited by - gpz on 01/22/2010 16:36:20
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Skyena

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  20:26:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After reading all your reviews on this plant and doing some research, I am quite excited. Have been battling skin cancer for yrs. now, even had some surgically removed to only come back with a vengence. I ordered some seeds tonight!! I'll be like everyone else starring at the plants everyday with the look of "GROW FASTER"
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Skyena

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  20:52:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry forgot wanted to ask a couple questions too.

Are those that are having wonderful results putting them on just new areas that are red and scaley? Or are some like mine about a quarter size that are scabby and bleed? One on my upper lip is horrible and becoming extremly painful.

Once they start to scab up with using the plant sap, what about showering and the scab coming off?

Also some are having not so good results in growing the plants, has anyone tried once a plant is dying trying to milk what sap they can out of it and saving it somehow? Maybe mixing it with some real Aloe or something in a airtight container. Just curious if anyone has tried preserving the the milk sap.

All for now, sure I'll have many questions later.
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drbeckl2

96 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2010 :  22:44:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GPZ;

thanks for the reply.

I have been too occupied the last few months to read much on topicalinfo.com. I still haven't even read both pages of this PETTY SPURGE thread yet. ... But you, SOFI, DLM, [& maybe some others I aint had time to read yet] have said that there is no [or very little] pain when they have been using the sap and it is killing the malignant tissues. I think SOFI said one of her lesions went quite deep, on a ankle, and it also gave her no pain, to speak of. And that it attacks cancerous type tissue, but does not damage healthy tissues next to the cancer.

I am excited to hear this, because I use the hoxsey salve formula, and there is quite a bit of burning pain that you have to endure in order to use it to kill cancers. It is bearable pain, but painfull never the less. The petty spurge seems to have all the traits of the hoxsey salve, except for the burning sensations.

As you probably know, many people who come to this message board desparately looking for help to heal their cancers, won't even consider using the hoxsey salve because they have heard that the burning pains are so hard to endure. Especially those with many lesions on them to work on. .. I guess they have very low pain thresh-holds. They are not willing to endure a few hours of pain to get the prize they say they seek after.

I have noticed that several people on here say they are devastated and desparate for a fix, but won't consider using the hoxsey salve. Petty Spurge sap aparently overcomes this obstacle of pain. And even I can appreciate that.

I am going to get me some of that.

Thanks for putting your experiences on here so that other people can learn this valuable information from them.
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ewittman

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2010 :  19:11:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks gpz for the response.

Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.

My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :)
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forest01

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 01/24/2010 :  03:00:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Pikirimy!
Thanks for the info! I found chap and look pretty.

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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2010 :  12:20:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unbelievable!

I went on a nice early morning run today and took a long course..@ 6 miles I was pooping out around 4 miles and decided to walk for a few hundred feet. Just about ten feet from where I had chosen to start running again I noticed some Dandelions which I have been thinking about grinding up and trying on some of these bigger BCC's I'm STILL fighting...ugh..

Lo and behold right next to them was the elusive PETTY SPURGE! I've been combing the hills in my area for the last few months trying to find this plant to no avail. There it was growing on the hillside between some ivy and dandelions.

I have been using a watered down version of milkweed from Phytomedx. I just ran out a few days ago and was deciding what I was going to try next. In the interm was just applying an orange oil tea tree oil combo. The dilluted milkweed definitely did help reduce and even eliminate some ak's but it is $25 a tube..

Well here I go. I have the plant and I'm going to start experimenting ...wish me luck!


Tom
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waverider

75 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2010 :  22:37:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, this is definitely the PS growing season in North America, at least here on the west coast. I tried without avail to find any last summer, even using GPS coordinates from a California rare plant website that lists over 100 sightings of it in the wild -- some of them relatively close to me. Nothing. As an annual, by then it had timed out and been fried by the summer heat. So I got the seeds from AUS and coaxed about 10 plants up (growing in trays outside) after pre-germinating the seeds. Since then, those have matured and seeded and now I've got new petty spurge seedlings popping up around my yard and patio! I find new ones everyday. Any place I put the trays back in October and November so they could catch sun, there are now PS seedlings growing wild near that spot. Around a drippy outdoor faucet that is constantly moist and shaded, there are about 5 growing there alone. This is a very prolific little plant.
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 02/14/2010 :  12:29:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for some helpful descriptions on what makes this grow successfully, including the fact that it has a definite "season."
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clearlake

USA
25 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2010 :  16:44:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am going to attach a picture in the next post. I am still working on this left upper arm. It has been since Dec 6 - so about 10 weeks. The original area of concern was barely the size of a quarter, peeling and itchy, starting to bleed. Upon application of the spurge, it went after that spot and then lit up areas near it, demanding to be treated. Eventually there was a second, larger area that was vicious and deep. Then another spot on top, closer to top of arm. Now, those first basic areas are gradually getting shallower. They are not resolved, but they no longer look like bottomless pits. I want to add that not all the areas have been treated for 10 weeks. The newer stuff emerged over time.
Amazingly, this is no where near done because one small and one very large blister has exploded more on the inner arm, closer to my body. This is a deep and vicious one also. I keep wondering if the whole area is going to merge into one. Or keep traveling. Or both. It seems to be seeking up the arm, or into the underarm, I'm not sure yet.
I will say this; even if one wanted to throw in the towel and get Mohs surgery, this petty spurge would take all the guessing out of where the edges are. The only question would be how deep an area is. A dermatologist could use this spurge as a tool. No more working "blind". However, if I had gone to the derm for the first quarter size area, there is no way they would have found all this unconnected (as yet) stuff.
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clearlake

USA
25 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2010 :  16:49:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


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clearlake

USA
25 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2010 :  17:31:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to add that the spurge stings, not so much when you apply it, but over the course of a day, and especially stings in the beginning few days as the spurge is working it's way into skin layers. It's like a blister kind of pain, when you wear new shoes without socks. On these older spots, there is less and less reaction. I keep the area bandaged when I take a shower, because in the beginning, I foolishly let hot water run on it, and I had trouble sleeping.

I noticed that my left hand goes a little numb or tingly at times, and I think the spurge is going deep and affecting some nerves or something. Kind of scary. Also, no matter how many times I apply the spurge to areas nearby that look normal, they do not react. So I know this isn't just upsetting my skin indiscriminatly. It's going after bad cells. It also seems to work gradually on me. Thin yellow scabs form, then they peel off, revealing a slightly shallower area.

I am applying white sap from my plants, also collecting the leaves and stems, and chopping them up in a spoon with some distilled water, then applying these leaves all over the area, covering with a bandage and leaving it all day. At night I remove it.
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Irene

Canada
18 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2010 :  21:47:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After having one BCC surgically removed from my face by a dermatologist, which left quite a scar, I found this forum and became interested in trying Petty Spurge.

I bought seeds via the net from a place in Australia and grew the seeds. It took a while to get the plants to thrive, but now that they do thrive I am treating all suspect little spots on my face with the sap.

A MINUTE amount will do - and don't get any on any other part of healthy skin or it will cause quite a rash, especially closer to the eye lids. NEVER go near the eyes! This stuff doesn't exactly stay where you put it. You put it on a 2 mm (1/8")spot and its reaction will spread to about a 1 cm radius and gravity seems to affect the direction of the rash. It will look awful for a few days! But I found that in some cases one treatment was enough! Of course it helped that I started before the spot was big enough for the dermatologist to even want to look at it.

Anyway, my plants are doing so well now that I am harvesting seeds from them. I've got about 20 seeds - perhaps I should sell some??

Anyone who wants more information, feel free to email me.
But for all: don't just take one person's word for this; read everything you can before you start experimenting.
ilester@sympatico.ca

Edited by - Irene on 03/05/2010 05:40:43
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SoFl

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2010 :  12:53:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ewittman

Thanks gpz for the response.

Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.

My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :)




Yes, using a band aid intensifies the effect. I suspect this is because it keeps the area from drying out and keeps the sap in a more hydrated active state. I have found that for arms and legs the band aid helps. For the face and head, I have found it is not necessary.

I was just checking in on this thread and reading the new posts, and I have a few things to add.

I have found it's important to treat long enough. I have gained quite a bit of experience with PS, and have now used it successfully on at least 10 different lesions. I have also used it on family members who also have a history of skin cancer and were regulars at the dermatologist. In my mind, there is no remaining question that this treatment works for me and my family. It's now been over a year since my first use on a biopsy confirmed BCC of the forehead and I have no recurrence and no scar.

I have found that in almost all cases, the PS wants to take out an area that is larger and deeper than the visible lesion, and often it takes out very small areas close to the legion which I assume are sub clinical fragments of the original lesion. In some cases it goes very deep, and I wash the scab off down to the pit and re apply to ensure the PS is applied deep enough to get it all. I feel this is very important. I have some small scars on my legs and ankle where I've used it, but it's no big deal at all. I have more prominent scars from old chigger bites.

I have lost my fear of the plant as I have now used it so much. As someone says, it only takes a minute amount of sap applied correctly to do the trick. I always now use it for at least 3 days and sometimes longer. I have a good feel now for how it works and when it's done. If I'm in doubt, I keep using it. I have used it for as long as 10 days on my leg, and experienced no adverse effects from longer use.

Here is the final method I've settled on to extract and apply sap. I use one of those rubber pointy dental tools, and I clipped off the end so it's flat and about 1/32 of an inch in diameter. So I clip off a leaf, and there is a small bubble of white sap at the leaf base and at the stem base. I touch the dental tool to it and there is a small ball of sap now on the dental tool. Then I apply the sap ball to the affected area. There is zero waste doing it this way.

The most amazing effect I have had is on my lip. It was the source of problems for 20 years after removal of a confirmed SCC. I had used everything from big pharma and everything on this board only to have problems keep returning. After using a diluted crushed leaf extract painted on with an artists brush for a week several months ago, it looks and feels like new. I'm not recommending anyone do that, who knows if I could have poisoned myself, but I didn't and my lip is cured. Prior to PS my lip was a lifelong issue of apprehension and pain and trips to the dermatologist. The PS treatment was painless in contrast to efudex which didn't work and ate my lip up like battery acid.

As to seasonality and growing the plant, It is an annual but I have started them at all months of the year. Like most annuals, it likes to come up in the spring. It will be ready to explode it's seed pods by late spring and new seedlings will come up immediately. Also, some seeds will come up the following spring. The plants like cool weather, well drained soil and medium sunlight. Strong all day sun and dry soil will kill them. Many tend to stay small but each plant that reaches maturity makes a lot of seeds. I originally used the Australian source mentioned early in this thread. I will say that for a weed, it is difficult to grow.

I was stressed out about skin cancer, living with something new popping up every few months for years and now I don't give it a second thought. I keep plants growing all the time and as soon as something pops up, it gets the treatment. PS has been a godsend for me. Thank you to this forum where I first found out about it.
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san1313

USA
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Posted - 03/11/2010 :  07:31:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello all !!!!

I just wanted to add a few things to the thread I thought may be helpful.

First, my plants did very well and the spurge is doing its job. I treat spots by cutting off a leaf at the end of its steam and waiting about 30 seconds for a drop to form and placing 3-4 drops 3 times a day for 3 days consecutive. my nose is very happy now and the scabs are almost healed.

SECOND.... I think this may add something new to the thread, I used AERO Garden to grow my plants, you know, the little thing people use to grow herbs on the kitchen counter top. You see, I do NOT have a green thumb and these little things are fool proof, trust me on this. 1 week to sprout and 4 weeks later a bush with hundreds of leaves to harvest and all you have to do is add water once a week !!!

Side note... We live in a small world my friends. When I was ordering the aero-garden, I called the customer # to ask which would be best for me. The guy on the other end of the line asked what I was going to grow... I say.... Youre not going to believe this, but Im growing a weed to treat skin cancer, then I hear him laughing as he starts to tell me his father-in-law, a farmer in south africa uses a small plant to treat skin cancer but he doesent know the name of the plant.

I will try to get some pics up of my plants this week, and my Nose sincerely thanks this thread

Scott
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Irene

Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2010 :  21:12:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My plants are doing great now and I have harvested many seeds - let me know if you would like to get some.
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mikE1

USA
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Posted - 03/15/2010 :  12:53:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Everyone:

I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2010 :  18:08:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much....
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mikE1

USA
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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  12:21:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are welcome - hope your PS crop takes off.
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Grace2Go

USA
64 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2010 :  15:13:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your plants look great Irene! I just planted my germinated seeds into pots today, and I'm looking forward to seeing mine flourish as yours have.

I live in an area where PS is not a native plant, so I'm growing it in pots on a screened porch. I'm planning to transplant one of the plants outside when they get bigger, just to see how it does.

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Gabby

USA
21 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2010 :  21:58:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thanks01

MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much....



MikE1,

I have just joined the forum which I found while researching skin cancer remedies. Been fighting AK's, BCC, and SCC for 25 odd years. PS looks very interesting to me. If you have extra seed, I'd appreciate some. We live just northwest of Atlanta--spurge (the wrong kind) is no stranger to my flower beds (the stuff erupts in my lawn, too) so I think I could get the PS to take off in a nice, moist sequestered spot with morning sun and mid-day and afternoon shade. I would have sent you a private email, but do not have enough posts on the list for the system to allow that (spammers are an inconvenience even when they are not around).

If you see this message and can send me a PM, I'd appreciate it. Happy Easter!
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Arrow

10 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2010 :  12:03:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I live in Idaho and the map that is given on this site for pretty spurge shows that it can be found in Idaho. I recently met a guy who works for the state to control noxious weeds and they spend lots of time trying to control the spurge as it grows everywhere here and it it the cause of blindness in wild animals and lots of other havoc for farmers. It is not pretty spurge or peplus but another very similar variety that is much more toxic called leafy spurge and they look similar but this one grows taller. Just wanted to warn you guys who may be looking for wild harvest.
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2010 :  19:03:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, be careful to get the EXACT variety of spurge. I also took interest in a local variety that easily grows wild here, called Cypress Spurge. That one also causes blindness if it gets in the eye and no one seems to making claims about it helping with skin cancer.

So, be sure to get the RIGHT KIND of the spurge plant, called Petty Spurge, Euphorbia Peplus, even if you have to send away for it. Thanks for your informative post.
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bccinsc

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 04/08/2010 :  12:32:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I am new and tried to email you Mike, to see if I could get a few petty surge seeds. It wouldn't allow me to email as I'm new on the board. If you are still here reading, I would so appreciate it. I'd be glad to send a SASE. Please let me know.

Edited to add, after posting this it allowed me to email you Mike. I hope you don't mind. I was diagnosed with a BCC and given Aldara which is making me sick and giving intense headaches. I hope you can send me some petty seeds. Thanks in advance.

Edited by - bccinsc on 04/08/2010 12:35:48
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anemone

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 04/08/2010 :  21:19:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
svanip, I am so glad you are posting pictures of your treatment with Petty Spurge. Thank you! I have a SCC on my upper lip so your pictures are of great interest!

Also, I want to extend my gratitude to all of you who have shared their knowledge and experiences with Petty Spurge. Although this is my first post, I have been reading for quite a while. I ordered the seeds fom Australis from the website posted on this board. I got somewhere between 60-75% germination rate. Instead of culling, I separated the seedling and repotted the "extras" in their own pots. So far, I have only lost 1 seedling. Hopefully they will continue to do well. Once they are large enough, I will begin my treatment and hope it works for me.


Edited by - anemone on 04/08/2010 21:46:00
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2010 :  19:35:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To svanip,
Your day-by-day pictures are useful. Hope you keep it up until the spot is healed, so that we can see how really good the results are. Thanks.
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Grace2Go

USA
64 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2010 :  13:13:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for posting the pics of your progress. I'm very interested in how the process goes to use Petty Spurge, and seeing a picture diary of the progress helps know what to expect. I ordered seeds from Beautanicals also, and was very pleased with the price and service.

I'm currently waiting on my plants to grow big enough to use the sap on my bcc, they're in the baby stage now, and have a total of four tiny leaves.

Wishing you great results.


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Originally posted by svanip

Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....



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Skyena

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2010 :  23:24:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Glad to hear all the good reports. I've had my seeds a couple months now, been busy, and time seems to go by so fast didn't get them planted right away. I planted all 30 little seeds 4 days ago in 3 jiffy starter pots, with jiffy seed starter soil, been watering them every day, went in the kitchen this morning and I have a whole mess of seedlings that came up in all 3 pots. They came up quick, wasn't expecting anything for at least 10 days. Now just hope and pray they make it. Will hit them with some plant food in a couple days since they are so tiny right now. Fingers crossed. If for some reason they don't make it I'll just order some more.
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mikE1

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2010 :  19:15:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All:

Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!)
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2010 :  20:58:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
svanip,now is the time for you to hang in there and keep us posted. It's this kind of questionable period that we never hear the end of and it will help us to keep track if you follow this through, with pictures, until the end. It's quite possible that Petty Spurge has done its work and that the spot just needs to settle down after being so disturbed. I certainly don't know the answer. Maybe you will just have to try another round of Petty Spurge. We have had such enthusiastic reports about Petty Spurge that it seems very important to get the end results of your very careful posting. We are grateful for that. Thx
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waverider

75 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2010 :  23:17:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Svanip, many thanks for the effort you put into your excellent series. I'm intending to post my results, also with superficial BCC (on the back of my scalp) but haven't had the time. But here's my two cents for what it's worth. You've done a great job and have, perhaps, knocked it out. Too soon to tell. In my case, I had the classic sBCC, which originated at one focal point -- I assume this is where it started, and dug pretty deep -- then spread out from there in the typical superficial way, never producing any vertical growth, just etching into the skin and skipping around in little "hot spots" in a circle about 1/2 inch maximum. After growing petty spurge from the Australian seeds last fall, I first did a 5-day application of PS. A scab formed after the first day or so, but I kept putting it on anyway. The scab did the normal thing: got very thick and gnarly and took almost 10 days or more to flake off. What I saw when it did flake off was a mixed bag -- the PS totally obliterated all the superficial spread, replacing it with clear healthy skin. Great success there. However, at the focal point, the deepest point, it still looked a bit "iffy." Reading back over the posts on this topic, I noticed this same issue addressed by SoFl (another to whom we should all be indebted for such a detailed, definitive account of his experience -- he's a pioneer!) SoFl described an enhanced approach for dealing with those very deep "entrenched" focal spots: that is, to NOT let them scab over, but to wash the scab off daily and reapply the PS directly into the deep "bloody pit" (as I believe he descriptively called it.) This made sense to me as I never thought the PS was getting down in there after the first or second application because the scab had pretty much closed it off. After observing the questionable area for a month or so, I decided to hit it again. The PS totally ignored the previously treated area -- nothing of interest there anymore. But, it lit up a small area where the deep stuff had been and started excavating into it. I found it easy to dislodge the scab that resulted in the hot steamy shower every a.m. and, afterwards, to bomb it right down into the depths with petty spurge fresh from my patio "crop." I did that for 5 days straight, once a day, filling up the little crater with a blob of milky sap. Then after the fifth day I discontinued and let it go ahead and scab over and heal up. It formed a *really* thick scab, almost like scar tissue, which took a full two weeks to break up. The results were far superior this second time around and I have no visual evidence of any remaining sBCC anywhere, even at that stubborn deepest point. Just smooth new skin and a slight indentation, which is normal for a tissue deficit wound like this where flesh has been removed. Of course, only time will tell, but so far so good.
So, for those dealing with the deeply dug in stuff, instead of letting it scab over, it may be worth washing it off so you can keep delivering the PS into the bloody, oozing deepest parts! The function of a scab is of course to seal off a wound. But, for my purpose at least, I think that may have been the flaw in my first attempt. Given how thick these typical PS scabs are, I have great doubts that repeated applications were penetrating during the first course of treatment once it scabbed over.
As an aside: soon after this I also discovered a little hot spot slightly removed from the previous treatment area. I think I just physically missed it the first time around. It was literally smaller than the head of a pin but the PS did it's thing and totally wiped it out. Made a little scab which I removed during application for two or three days, then let it heal up. No sign of it now.
I guess the bottom line is that this stuff can be used for multiple attacks. It seems to be just as potent the second and even third time around, while leaving previously treated areas totally undisturbed. And, as SoFl noted, as you continue to use it you become more comfortable, less wary that it's going to do anything extreme on you, etc. So I will keep watching for recurrences and/or new stuff. But if anything shows up, instead of heading for an appointment with the scalpel, I'll head out onto my patio with my little scissors.
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waverider

75 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2010 :  09:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For myself (and I can only speak for myself as I'm not an MD) I didn't see any downside to waiting about a month after the first application to let the smoke clear and see what was happening. That was my personal "guinea pig" experiment, but it might be too long for some to wait. I know from reading some of the references in the Peplin patent that it's common to have inflammation, etc, persisting after the treatment, so it might be difficult to differentiate between that and any leftover BCC. Dan has written on some other threads that there is a point where it's advantageous to stop treatment and let normal healing + the status quo get re-established. Then you can better determine what you've got. Most BCC is slow to grow anyway, so I reasoned that it probably wasn't likely to go wild on me if I backed off for just a few weeks. It doesn't seem to have made any difference to the PS, as it worked just as well the second time around. But we're all experimenters here, and exactly how intensive and how long the course of treatment should be is one of the X factors in all of this.


[quote]Originally posted by svanip

Thanks mate - I am a little concerned myself that I got it all in this round, it is little hard to tell from the images and I don't know what I am looking at - I am considering to wait a little longer for healing before I smash the leftovers again if any - what are your thoughts ??

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anemone

USA
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Posted - 04/20/2010 :  12:43:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.

Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.

My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip.
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svanip

Australia
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Posted - 04/20/2010 :  19:52:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks for your interest - FYI the deeper area is only in the area from where the Shave Biopsy was taken by the Doctor, in the surrounding area there were no craters.....

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Originally posted by anemone

Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.

Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.

My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip.


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Gabby

USA
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Posted - 04/20/2010 :  20:16:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Waverider,

Thanks for sharing your protocol. It makes sense to me, too. I have some seeds on the way, and will keep it in mind when going after my own 'crusty patches'.

Gabby
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