| Author |
 Topic  |
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
 Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:26:47
|
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake
Hello first time poster - I purchased some seeds from the url on this list and have been growing some petty spurge. I have them going in 2 different windowsills to see which one does better. They are both thriving. Wondering when I will be able to use sap/leaves. They are 3 weeks old now/approx. I would post a photo, which I have prepared per instructions, but there is no "paper clip" icon at the bottom of the edit window next to the text "Insert an Image File". I'm on a mac, not a pc. Using Safari and Firefox. Please advise. Clearlake
You can use it at any time but if you start clipping off a really small plant, there is only so much plant. One thing I found is that if you hit it with a little bit of miracle gro liquid plant food in water, that can cause a major growth spike and really kick the plant into gear. Without that I have had some that stay in dwarf mode(2[3 inches high). Also, cool weather (40-60 degrees) causes them to grow and hot weather makes them want to stay dwarves. You will get the best growth in partial sun 50-60 or so degrees and using the plant food.
To directly answer your question, here is what I do (my evolved approach).
I use a stainless steel flat blade dental tool that is clean and dry.
Clip a leaf and a little bit of the milky sap will come out of the leaf and out of the stem. Touch the dental tool to each to get a small amount of sap, then apply it from that directly to the area you want to treat. You can also use a small artists paintbrush to get it off the dental tool. It DOES NOT take a lot of the sap. For an area 1/4 inch round, I would estimate that it takes about 1/5 the size of a water droplet of the pure sap per treatment. I have treated either once or twice a day depending on the area. |
 |
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:35:41
|
quote:
Originally posted by dlm
I have been apply Milkweed (Petty Spurge / Euphorbia peplus) to my nose and to two moles above my lip that I was meant to have burnt off. A student of mine mentioned the Milkweed so I thought I would try it. I applied it to two small areas on my nose and was amazed that it spread to nearly the whole of my nose! My nose swelled up to almost double the size and then I had puss type bubbles all over my nose. The same sort of thing happened to above my lip although it didn't spread like the nose one. I have felt really unwell of and on, and I can only imagine it is all the kill off. I have taken photos as a reference. It is day 7 now and I am still in a bit of a mess. I can not go out in public and lucky for me I am on holiday. My husband who started a couple of moles a day before me has just had one scab fall off. I am applying the Milkweed as suggested above, every day, even over the scabs. I find, funny enough, that after a shower they all really sting. Its like severe sunburn. I am really looking forward to the results. A couple of times I have thought..what have I done? ...but I am keeping with it and will keep taking photos as reference.
Can someone tell me..once the scab falls off..do you keep applying the Milkweed or at that point, you just let it heal itself?
I certainly have a new respect for Milkweed. It now is welcome to grow where ever it likes in our garden
Just to clarify, here in the US, there is an entirely different plant called milkweed. This is NOT petty Spurge (Euphorbia peplus). What they call milkweed in the US is completely unrelated to Petty Spurge.
So for anyone in the US, just be aware of this. This confused me for a while when I was getting into it. |
|
|
|
mikE1
10 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2009 : 20:07:42
|
Hi All:
Just an update on my efforts to grow petty spurge. A lady on this board sent me some seeds after I failed in several attempts to get good seed thru the post. I now have two large plants which are both putting out seed. Also,there are numerous small seedlings growing in the soil under the plants where the seeds have fallen. As soon as I have a supply of seed, I'll be happy to send a few to anyone who would like to try them. These seeds are good and will germinate. Because the postal people run envelopes thu rollers which crush the seeds, it is necessary to mail in small box.(Now that I have a supply, I am going to try the treatment for myself.) Also, if anyone wants to postitively identify the plant and seed, let me know and I'll post photographs. |
|
|
|
joybell
3 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:33:34
|
Hi
Firstly thanks to all of you for putting this info here on the web. I too am waiting for the Peplin product to be made available but the last info from the company was that it will be at least 2011 before we can obtain it. In the meantime, there are many of us that will develop skin cancers.
I have used petty spurge on myself for over 10 years now and have used it on many different areas the most recent being my inside elbow ie the crook of my arm, my jaw, arm and leg. I want to say it is the most efficient plant for getting rid of skin problems.
Yes it can blister but I have always taken this as meaning that it is attacking the potential skin cells that are precancerous as if you put it on skin generally, it doesn't react. It only reacts where there are 'bad' cells.
It can be a scary experience but so is having surgery. I have found that generally it clears within 10-14 days and it is scar free. Not only that, the cancer doesn't seem to come back in that area. I have had one repeat under my eye (yes I have put it near the eye socket but not in the eye!) and I always wash my hands as if you rub your eyes then it is potentially nasty.
I have taken a couple of images this week to show what happens as I think this might help.
This is 10 minutes after application
Image Insert:
22.14 KB
and I will need to do another post to show after 8 days....so
|
|
|
|
joybell
3 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:38:14
|
so here goes...this is 8 days.....
Image Insert:
24.27 KB
I'll try and get back in a couple of days when it's all clear to show what happens after 10-14 days.
I wish I had taken shots of the one on my arm as it was awesome ..... very scary indeed but I didn't. I would encourage some of you who are thinking of trying petty spurge to take some photos to show people what to expect.
It will help them through the process I am sure.
Great plant though! Amazing results but not for the faint hearted.
Joybell
|
|
|
|
joybell
3 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:43:42
|
Hi
After scabs come off, don't worry about applying the petty spurge anymore. The cancer is all clear.
Just do it again when you find another suspicious spot.
Put some of your photos up so others can see.
Also perhaps you are using Petty Spurge and not Milkweed which is a different plan. I'd be interested to see a photo of the weed you're using.
Joybell
quote:
Originally posted by SoFl
quote:
Originally posted by dlm
I have been apply Milkweed (Petty Spurge / Euphorbia peplus) to my nose and to two moles above my lip that I was meant to have burnt off. A student of mine mentioned the Milkweed so I thought I would try it. I applied it to two small areas on my nose and was amazed that it spread to nearly the whole of my nose! My nose swelled up to almost double the size and then I had puss type bubbles all over my nose. The same sort of thing happened to above my lip although it didn't spread like the nose one. I have felt really unwell of and on, and I can only imagine it is all the kill off. I have taken photos as a reference. It is day 7 now and I am still in a bit of a mess. I can not go out in public and lucky for me I am on holiday. My husband who started a couple of moles a day before me has just had one scab fall off. I am applying the Milkweed as suggested above, every day, even over the scabs. I find, funny enough, that after a shower they all really sting. Its like severe sunburn. I am really looking forward to the results. A couple of times I have thought..what have I done? ...but I am keeping with it and will keep taking photos as reference.
Can someone tell me..once the scab falls off..do you keep applying the Milkweed or at that point, you just let it heal itself?
I certainly have a new respect for Milkweed. It now is welcome to grow where ever it likes in our garden
Just to clarify, here in the US, there is an entirely different plant called milkweed. This is NOT petty Spurge (Euphorbia peplus). What they call milkweed in the US is completely unrelated to Petty Spurge.
So for anyone in the US, just be aware of this. This confused me for a while when I was getting into it.
|
|
|
|
clearlake
25 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 11:16:19
|
Questions for Joybell:
I have questions regarding the application of the petty spurge.
Are you using just sap or a combo of sap and crushed leaves as per Sofi?
I have some small plants and I'm testing on my arm using small pinhead size sap and crushed leaves mixed with distilled water. I don't have access to unlimited plants.
Do you apply every day?
How much do you apply? How long do you leave it on?
When you wash it off do you put antibiotic cream or anything on it?
How does it react with deeper or more serious bccs/sccs?
Any info on details of what you've noticed would be helpful as I'm trying it right now on my arm. |
|
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:23:02
|
I have attempted to upload a photo of my latest treatment. This was a raised hard lump between the bridge of my nose and my eye about 1/8 inch in diameter and recently it developed a smaller twin about a mm from the original site that would occasionally bleed and scab over. I had this area frozen twice at the dermatologists office and both times it came back. This has been growing for a period of about 10 years and I think it was a slow growing basil cell based on having BCC before.
I have been hesitant to treat this area since it is so close to my eye, but I figured at this point I was looking at an expensive and maybe disfiguring surgery to excise it.
So, after washing and drying the area thoroughly, I applied an amount of sap roughly equivalent to a grain of sand, using one of those pointed rubber dental tools. I extracted the sap onto a flat blade, then touched the tip of the dental tool to the sap, then touched the dental tool to the treatment area in the morning on day 1.
In the evening of day one the area was swollen but no pain. I was very careful to keep the area dry all day and not let any near my eye. I showered off in the evening and used soap and water and let it run for a long time with my eyes closed to wash off any PS.
By the next morning (day 2) two areas (the two hard lumps) were liquified into a yellow goo and I had two pits instead of the two lumps. I thoroughly cleaned the area and applied two sand grain sized amounts of sap to the area and spread it around the pits to make sure it found everything to be found in the area.
This picture was taken on the morning of day three. The center of the treatment area is a small deep pit where the lesion used to be. I applied a third treatment after this picture was taken, just to make sure it got it all, but based on the look of it, it took care of the whole thing by day 2 and possibly on day 1. It looks better on day three than it did after day 1 and 2 even though I treated it again today on the third day.
So I am now finished treating it. Again, I was hesitant to use it so close to my eye but the alternative of surgery in this area didn't seem like a good one. Based on how it looks right now, I am confident that it got it all. Basically, after day one it had turned both hard lumps into a banana like paste and ate rapidly and deeply into those areas.
So I will post a follow up picture after it heals, but I am very confident that this resolved my problem. The main pit it ate was very deep for this thin skin so close to the eye. I have had no eye symptoms at all, but there was quite a bit of swelling around the treated area on the morning of day 2.
I don't recommend that anyone try this so close to the eye. I was excruciatingly careful.
The most interesting thing about this treatment is that the amount of sap I used was so small, and the huge result I had from it. The sap seemed to migrate throught the area about 3/8 inch in diameter and was very selective in eating two pits out (and a smaller third pit) while leaving the rest of the treatment area irritated but undamaged. There has been no pain at all.
Day 3, last day of treatment
Image Insert:
44.04Â KB
Day 4, no treatment
Image Insert:
27.65 KB
Three days after last treatment, photo is a little blurry but it shows a nearly round pit with a scab on it, which is all that is left from the treatment. The two smaller pitted areas have already healed to the point where they don't show in the photo.
Image Insert:
55.74 KB |
Edited by - SoFl on 12/17/2009 18:06:34 |
|
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:41:24
|
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake
Questions for Joybell:
I have questions regarding the application of the petty spurge.
Are you using just sap or a combo of sap and crushed leaves as per Sofi?
I have some small plants and I'm testing on my arm using small pinhead size sap and crushed leaves mixed with distilled water. I don't have access to unlimited plants.
Do you apply every day?
How much do you apply? How long do you leave it on?
When you wash it off do you put antibiotic cream or anything on it?
How does it react with deeper or more serious bccs/sccs?
Any info on details of what you've noticed would be helpful as I'm trying it right now on my arm.
I'll take a crack at this if you don't mind.
I have settled on a method of once or twice a day, morning and afternoon, and then a shower in the evening to wash it all off so it doesn't migrate anywhere I don't want it.
With deep lesions, it seems to go as deep as it needs to go to get it all. What I do is if it gets a scab by the second or third day, pull the scab off, wash out the pit, and treat again to make sure it gets it all the way to the bottom. In most cases I think it's done in three days but it depends on the area. I treat legs the longest followed by arms and torso, then anywhere on the face it seems to work very fast.
Also, if you cover the area fairly tightly with a band aid, this greatly enhances the potency, I think because it keeps the sap from drying out and in it's liquid active state. The sap seems to migrate very quickly (instantly) through the skin almost as if it has some sort of solvent in it.
I think the sap is the strongest but the crushed leaves are almost as strong so long as you don't have a dilute solution. My crushed leaf solution is mostly leaves.
Also, there is a variation in plants. The strongest plant I've used was a plant that was raised in a window sill and had to be propped up with a bamboo skewer. It was spindly and homely looking about 8 inches tall (not a full height plant), not healthy looking at all, with some seed pods but with dark green leaves. The sap in this plant is very, very strong compared to healthier looking plants with the more usual lighter green leaves. I'm going to post a picture of it later. |
|
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 14:02:05
|
Pictures of an angry plant. This is the strongest plant I've encountered. It is being supported by a bamboo skewer because the stalk is too small and spindly to support the plant on it's own.
I had the pot inside a copper pot with no hole and the water built up inside the outer pot and soaked the soil for a couple of weeks. I think that has something to do with why the plant looks half diseased and angry.
Image Insert:
83.52Â KB
Image Insert:
83.09Â KB
Image Insert:
69.69Â KB |
Edited by - SoFl on 12/12/2009 14:44:15 |
|
|
|
Grace2Go
64 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2009 : 08:48:56
|
I just ordered a batch of the Euphorbia peplus seeds. I'm looking forward to getting a plant started at the first of the year.
Thanks for all the info and pics everyone has posted, it's been very helpful for deciding my next step in killing the bcc.
|
|
|
|
clearlake
25 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:52:52
|
Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post. |
|
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2009 : 18:28:24
|
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake
Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post.
The largest area I have treated myself was a biopsied BCC which was about 1/4 inch in diameter. During that treatment, the PS did seem to agitate some skin in the surrounding area and I did the same thing, applied it to the larger area, maybe a quarter in size. It reacted on some of the area and didn't react on some, leaving me to believe that the actual cancer although not visible prior to the treatment was larger than I suspected and very irregular and discontinuous in shape.
I seem to have fast healing skin maybe because I have a fast metabolism, I don't know. As you can see from the pictures I've posted, with only 3 days after treatment from a small but deep lesion it's almost healed except for the smallest deepest part of the crater.
As to whether it's possible to put too much on, I don't know. Some people in this thread and in other places I've read about continue to treat until the area heals while under treatment. I have done that myself in 2 cases. There just became less and less of a reaction until I said enough. In fact, if you apply it to a bloody pit, it seems to act to stop the bleeding and the whole area looks neat and clean although pitted.
My thinking just based on my own trial and error is that if I'm still getting a reaction, there is still something there. I have never used it on an area visible as large as a quarter, but I would suspect that something that large could probably also be deep. I treated an area by my ankle that I didn't think was much of anything and the PS made a crater so deep I didn't even know my skin was that thick. It subsequently healed up with a little bit of scarring but nothing bad, it looks like the scars I have from chigger bites.
I have had bleeding during the treatment on every lesion I've used it on that had any depth to it. I always try to make sure to let it eat as deep as it wants to go because I don't want to cure everything except the deep cells only to have it return from a deep spot later. I believe this is one of the main differences between PS and other experimental treatments, the PS goes deep with enthusiasm into a lesion whereas other surface treatments may cause you to think you cured something only to have it come back. On me, the PS is very selective. It leaves good skin alone. It might get a little red and irritated, but that's it.
I am by no means a dermatologist, but I have done a lot of reading, and from my understanding skin cells migrate from the lowest layers up to the top and the whole process takes about 28 days. So if you don't go deep enough and the base cancer layer remains, about a month later it's going to be back at the surface again. I have also read cautions that you want to get those deep layers, because if you don't, when it returns it could be from an even deeper level.
Anyway, maybe someone else with some experience with PS can throw their two cents in, although I have a fair amount of experience with it now, I'm still learning how to used it most effectively myself.
I can say that I am very pleased with the results regarding scarring even after a deep bloody treatment. The only really visible scars I have are from being hacked up by the dermatologist (and some of those returned after his slash and burn). To date, none of my PS treatments have returned. |
|
|
|
san1313
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 18:01:59
|
First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil
|
|
|
|
Grace2Go
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 19:05:34
|
My seeds came in and were in a padded envelope, so they are intact. I'm germinating a few next week to get started on growing the plants.
quote:
Originally posted by san1313
First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil
|
|
|
|
gpz
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2010 : 22:10:24
|
Hi everyone,
thank you to all who have provided their personal stories here regarding petty spurge. I have had a BCC on my right cheek cut out 3 years ago, which returned within 12 months. A second treatment via curette and local photodynamic therapy cleared it up, but the area seemed to turn red and shiny again after 12 months. I tried the vinegar/eggplant mix without much success, so I read with interest about peoples' success with PS. I received seeds from the Beautanicals website about 4 months ago and planted some. They were slow to grow and were struggling, so I gave some seeds to my parents to grow (they have very green thumbs! :) ). They produced 2 large plants in half the time that mine took and am very pleased with their efforts.
I have started to apply the PS as a crushed leaf liquid last night, and see how it goes. I will provide feedback as best as I can.
cheers,
George. |
|
|
|
Mike
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 17:39:19
|
SOFL,
I also live in SOFL...would love to get my hands on some petty spurge sap. Any chance you can sell some? |
|
|
|
dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 00:50:02
|
| san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work. |
|
|
|
san1313
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 21:24:33
|
I started with Bob Beck protocol (bought the equipment) but never used it, Ive been a smoker for 20 some years and you cannot smoke on that treatment. second was the Iodine.While I think it could work, it ate the skin from my nose so bad I could not continue (this works great for atheletes foot!!) I have also used VIT C and it worked about the same as the baking soda but the soda is easier to apply. I guess when I said I tried so many things, I probably should have said I have looked at so many things, I have only tried 3. There is alot on hype on the internet, and when I see something that interest me I try to find out as much as possible. When I came across topicalinfo and found the PS thread I felt really good about it, you know, like a gut feeling. It also helped that soo many people here have posted pics and results, and I promise I will do the same for the next person.
quote:
Originally posted by dan
san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work.
|
|
|
|
dlm
12 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 03:55:00
|
| I have been having lots of fun attacking sunspots all over my face. I get lots of sheer horror looks if I go out in public which I try not to do as I now have spots all over my face. It has been interesting this time around as I have had a couple of areas that have spread over a small area but has just remained on the top layers. Generally when applied to sunspots they go down and deep, sometimes spreading but they go deep too. These ones on my cheek were quite weird. I was making the most of the holidays and have probably gone way over how many you should do at a time..but this should be about it now unless anything else pops up. We have a ton of milkweed, it is a shame i can't send it overseas. |
|
|
|
ewittman
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 18:16:59
|
hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?
i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went. |
|
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 01:44:48
|
Hi,
I ran across some new info on a PROTOCOL from Australia on how to use petty spurge with chickweed herb, to treat bcc specicically. It is dated 1992.
you put the chickweed herb on first, for 5 days, to soften up the lesion & get it ready for the petty spurge to do it's work better.
This may be a significant advancement in curing skin cancer using petty spurge. It may make a big difference. Someone thot so.
I have no experience with it., myself.
=====================================================
http://curezone.com/upload/Newsletter/Hypoglycemic_He/HYPONL9209.pdf
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
================================================
|
Edited by - drbeckl2 on 01/24/2010 21:43:57 |
|
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:49:05
|
Hi;
The petty spurge, (Euphorbia peplus), shown in photos on this thread is not the same plant as shown on another website, and used for skin cancer in Australia, by the skin expert Prof. Jim Aylward on this Australian website:
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2009/05/milkweed-and-sk.html#
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl |
Edited by - drbeckl2 on 01/24/2010 21:49:09 |
|
|
|
gpz
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 07:30:26
|
quote:
Originally posted by ewittman
hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?
i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went.
Hi ewittman,
I made 5 applications of PS to my cheek over a period of 9 days. The first was with crushed leaf, the rest were with sap. I found the best way to get a decent amount of sap is to tug gently on a large leaf connected to the main stem of a bushy plant. The leaf came away from the stem right at the base of the leaf, and a drop of sap oozed out of the stem which was about 1 - 1.5mm in diameter each time.
I let the sap drop onto my finger and then rubbed it over the suspect area. The area reacted very strongly on the second day (the first day of sap only application), and by the fourth day, I had an inflamed area of skin about 1.5 cm in diameter with 3 separate spots of pusy looking skin. Two of these spots were exactly where it looked like the BCC had returned, and a third spot which was the smallest, an area I could not see before the application of PS.
The three spots scabbed up after a few days and took another few days to come off. I did not pick them off so there was no bleeding in my case.
It is now 16 days following the first application, and I am still waiting for the redness of the two larger spots to go away before I can make a complete assessment of what has happened. I have a suspicion that I may have stopped the applications too early. If the redness does not go away, I will begin a second course of applications, targeting these spots only. The redness of the surrounding skin has gone and the skin looks normal.
I experienced no pain, just ichiness of the inflamed area.
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 12:10:54
|
group;
GPZ has used the petty spurge sap & reported that he had no pain, even tho the lesion got inflamed for several days, the area swelled,, & some flesh/skin died, crusted over.
In reading a few articles & message boards by people who used this stuff; I have not heard anyone bring up that the trearment was pain-full to them. they just didn't report any pain factor being involved. At first, when I saw the on-line photos of redness, swelling. scabs forming; I just assumed that the procedure was painfull. I just assumed that. I assumed it was probably the same level of pai as the hoxsey salves/bloodroot salves. I just assumed they were so glad it worked that they did not focus on any of the pain levels.
Now GPZ's post has made me stop and think. Maybe I assumed wrongly about the pain being there. Maybe none of the other people mentioned any pain being involved because ther was not any.
If this holds true for other users of petty spurge, then the petty spurge treatment would qualify as a KINDER, GENTLER skin cancer treatment, that I have been looking for.
I would like to see other people who have used the petty spurge sap comment on how much pain & irritation that the petty spurge treatment caused them.
I understand that the cashew nut hull oil treatment is also a KINDER, GENTLER, skin cancer therapy. This is a great advancement in natural home treatment of skin cancers if it does cure the cancers as advertised. |
|
|
|
gpz
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 16:33:08
|
drbeckl2,
in response to your comments, I must add that my lesion was 2 very small visible areas of redness (returning BCC) on either side of the scar tissue from my previous treatments.
This may have played a large part in why I experienced no pain. I also experienced no swelling.
For others who have large lesions (like Sofl?), their experience may be totally different. I do not have any other suspect areas, so am not able to provide any further information for consideration.
Kind Regards. |
Edited by - gpz on 01/22/2010 16:36:20 |
|
|
|
Skyena
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 20:26:38
|
After reading all your reviews on this plant and doing some research, I am quite excited. Have been battling skin cancer for yrs. now, even had some surgically removed to only come back with a vengence. I ordered some seeds tonight!! I'll be like everyone else starring at the plants everyday with the look of "GROW FASTER" |
|
|
|
Skyena
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 20:52:07
|
Sorry forgot wanted to ask a couple questions too.
Are those that are having wonderful results putting them on just new areas that are red and scaley? Or are some like mine about a quarter size that are scabby and bleed? One on my upper lip is horrible and becoming extremly painful.
Once they start to scab up with using the plant sap, what about showering and the scab coming off?
Also some are having not so good results in growing the plants, has anyone tried once a plant is dying trying to milk what sap they can out of it and saving it somehow? Maybe mixing it with some real Aloe or something in a airtight container. Just curious if anyone has tried preserving the the milk sap.
All for now, sure I'll have many questions later. |
|
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 22:44:37
|
GPZ;
thanks for the reply.
I have been too occupied the last few months to read much on topicalinfo.com. I still haven't even read both pages of this PETTY SPURGE thread yet. ... But you, SOFI, DLM, [& maybe some others I aint had time to read yet] have said that there is no [or very little] pain when they have been using the sap and it is killing the malignant tissues. I think SOFI said one of her lesions went quite deep, on a ankle, and it also gave her no pain, to speak of. And that it attacks cancerous type tissue, but does not damage healthy tissues next to the cancer.
I am excited to hear this, because I use the hoxsey salve formula, and there is quite a bit of burning pain that you have to endure in order to use it to kill cancers. It is bearable pain, but painfull never the less. The petty spurge seems to have all the traits of the hoxsey salve, except for the burning sensations.
As you probably know, many people who come to this message board desparately looking for help to heal their cancers, won't even consider using the hoxsey salve because they have heard that the burning pains are so hard to endure. Especially those with many lesions on them to work on. .. I guess they have very low pain thresh-holds. They are not willing to endure a few hours of pain to get the prize they say they seek after.
I have noticed that several people on here say they are devastated and desparate for a fix, but won't consider using the hoxsey salve. Petty Spurge sap aparently overcomes this obstacle of pain. And even I can appreciate that.
I am going to get me some of that.
Thanks for putting your experiences on here so that other people can learn this valuable information from them.
|
|
|
|
ewittman
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 19:11:04
|
Thanks gpz for the response.
Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.
My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :) |
|
|
|
forest01
8 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 03:00:19
|
Hi Pikirimy!
Thanks for the info! I found chap and look pretty.
Wart Removal - Heal Warts Treatment Natural Solution for Body, Verruca, Flat, Common, Genital Warts
http://astore.amazon.com/wartremove-20 |
|
|
|
anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 12:20:28
|
Unbelievable!
I went on a nice early morning run today and took a long course..@ 6 miles I was pooping out around 4 miles and decided to walk for a few hundred feet. Just about ten feet from where I had chosen to start running again I noticed some Dandelions which I have been thinking about grinding up and trying on some of these bigger BCC's I'm STILL fighting...ugh..
Lo and behold right next to them was the elusive PETTY SPURGE! I've been combing the hills in my area for the last few months trying to find this plant to no avail. There it was growing on the hillside between some ivy and dandelions.
I have been using a watered down version of milkweed from Phytomedx. I just ran out a few days ago and was deciding what I was going to try next. In the interm was just applying an orange oil tea tree oil combo. The dilluted milkweed definitely did help reduce and even eliminate some ak's but it is $25 a tube..
Well here I go. I have the plant and I'm going to start experimenting ...wish me luck!
Tom |
|
|
|
waverider
76 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 22:37:52
|
| Yes, this is definitely the PS growing season in North America, at least here on the west coast. I tried without avail to find any last summer, even using GPS coordinates from a California rare plant website that lists over 100 sightings of it in the wild -- some of them relatively close to me. Nothing. As an annual, by then it had timed out and been fried by the summer heat. So I got the seeds from AUS and coaxed about 10 plants up (growing in trays outside) after pre-germinating the seeds. Since then, those have matured and seeded and now I've got new petty spurge seedlings popping up around my yard and patio! I find new ones everyday. Any place I put the trays back in October and November so they could catch sun, there are now PS seedlings growing wild near that spot. Around a drippy outdoor faucet that is constantly moist and shaded, there are about 5 growing there alone. This is a very prolific little plant. |
|
|
|
thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 12:29:08
|
| Thanks for some helpful descriptions on what makes this grow successfully, including the fact that it has a definite "season." |
|
|
|
clearlake
25 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2010 : 16:44:41
|
I am going to attach a picture in the next post. I am still working on this left upper arm. It has been since Dec 6 - so about 10 weeks. The original area of concern was barely the size of a quarter, peeling and itchy, starting to bleed. Upon application of the spurge, it went after that spot and then lit up areas near it, demanding to be treated. Eventually there was a second, larger area that was vicious and deep. Then another spot on top, closer to top of arm. Now, those first basic areas are gradually getting shallower. They are not resolved, but they no longer look like bottomless pits. I want to add that not all the areas have been treated for 10 weeks. The newer stuff emerged over time.
Amazingly, this is no where near done because one small and one very large blister has exploded more on the inner arm, closer to my body. This is a deep and vicious one also. I keep wondering if the whole area is going to merge into one. Or keep traveling. Or both. It seems to be seeking up the arm, or into the underarm, I'm not sure yet.
I will say this; even if one wanted to throw in the towel and get Mohs surgery, this petty spurge would take all the guessing out of where the edges are. The only question would be how deep an area is. A dermatologist could use this spurge as a tool. No more working "blind". However, if I had gone to the derm for the first quarter size area, there is no way they would have found all this unconnected (as yet) stuff. |
|
|
|
clearlake
25 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2010 : 16:49:24
|
Image Insert:
11.12 KB |
|
|
|
clearlake
25 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2010 : 17:31:58
|
I want to add that the spurge stings, not so much when you apply it, but over the course of a day, and especially stings in the beginning few days as the spurge is working it's way into skin layers. It's like a blister kind of pain, when you wear new shoes without socks. On these older spots, there is less and less reaction. I keep the area bandaged when I take a shower, because in the beginning, I foolishly let hot water run on it, and I had trouble sleeping.
I noticed that my left hand goes a little numb or tingly at times, and I think the spurge is going deep and affecting some nerves or something. Kind of scary. Also, no matter how many times I apply the spurge to areas nearby that look normal, they do not react. So I know this isn't just upsetting my skin indiscriminatly. It's going after bad cells. It also seems to work gradually on me. Thin yellow scabs form, then they peel off, revealing a slightly shallower area.
I am applying white sap from my plants, also collecting the leaves and stems, and chopping them up in a spoon with some distilled water, then applying these leaves all over the area, covering with a bandage and leaving it all day. At night I remove it. |
|
|
|
Irene
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2010 : 21:47:16
|
After having one BCC surgically removed from my face by a dermatologist, which left quite a scar, I found this forum and became interested in trying Petty Spurge.
I bought seeds via the net from a place in Australia and grew the seeds. It took a while to get the plants to thrive, but now that they do thrive I am treating all suspect little spots on my face with the sap.
A MINUTE amount will do - and don't get any on any other part of healthy skin or it will cause quite a rash, especially closer to the eye lids. NEVER go near the eyes! This stuff doesn't exactly stay where you put it. You put it on a 2 mm (1/8")spot and its reaction will spread to about a 1 cm radius and gravity seems to affect the direction of the rash. It will look awful for a few days! But I found that in some cases one treatment was enough! Of course it helped that I started before the spot was big enough for the dermatologist to even want to look at it.
Anyway, my plants are doing so well now that I am harvesting seeds from them. I've got about 20 seeds - perhaps I should sell some??
Anyone who wants more information, feel free to email me.
But for all: don't just take one person's word for this; read everything you can before you start experimenting.
ilester@sympatico.ca |
Edited by - Irene on 03/05/2010 05:40:43 |
|
|
|
SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 12:53:54
|
quote:
Originally posted by ewittman
Thanks gpz for the response.
Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.
My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :)
Yes, using a band aid intensifies the effect. I suspect this is because it keeps the area from drying out and keeps the sap in a more hydrated active state. I have found that for arms and legs the band aid helps. For the face and head, I have found it is not necessary.
I was just checking in on this thread and reading the new posts, and I have a few things to add.
I have found it's important to treat long enough. I have gained quite a bit of experience with PS, and have now used it successfully on at least 10 different lesions. I have also used it on family members who also have a history of skin cancer and were regulars at the dermatologist. In my mind, there is no remaining question that this treatment works for me and my family. It's now been over a year since my first use on a biopsy confirmed BCC of the forehead and I have no recurrence and no scar.
I have found that in almost all cases, the PS wants to take out an area that is larger and deeper than the visible lesion, and often it takes out very small areas close to the legion which I assume are sub clinical fragments of the original lesion. In some cases it goes very deep, and I wash the scab off down to the pit and re apply to ensure the PS is applied deep enough to get it all. I feel this is very important. I have some small scars on my legs and ankle where I've used it, but it's no big deal at all. I have more prominent scars from old chigger bites.
I have lost my fear of the plant as I have now used it so much. As someone says, it only takes a minute amount of sap applied correctly to do the trick. I always now use it for at least 3 days and sometimes longer. I have a good feel now for how it works and when it's done. If I'm in doubt, I keep using it. I have used it for as long as 10 days on my leg, and experienced no adverse effects from longer use.
Here is the final method I've settled on to extract and apply sap. I use one of those rubber pointy dental tools, and I clipped off the end so it's flat and about 1/32 of an inch in diameter. So I clip off a leaf, and there is a small bubble of white sap at the leaf base and at the stem base. I touch the dental tool to it and there is a small ball of sap now on the dental tool. Then I apply the sap ball to the affected area. There is zero waste doing it this way.
The most amazing effect I have had is on my lip. It was the source of problems for 20 years after removal of a confirmed SCC. I had used everything from big pharma and everything on this board only to have problems keep returning. After using a diluted crushed leaf extract painted on with an artists brush for a week several months ago, it looks and feels like new. I'm not recommending anyone do that, who knows if I could have poisoned myself, but I didn't and my lip is cured. Prior to PS my lip was a lifelong issue of apprehension and pain and trips to the dermatologist. The PS treatment was painless in contrast to efudex which didn't work and ate my lip up like battery acid.
As to seasonality and growing the plant, It is an annual but I have started them at all months of the year. Like most annuals, it likes to come up in the spring. It will be ready to explode it's seed pods by late spring and new seedlings will come up immediately. Also, some seeds will come up the following spring. The plants like cool weather, well drained soil and medium sunlight. Strong all day sun and dry soil will kill them. Many tend to stay small but each plant that reaches maturity makes a lot of seeds. I originally used the Australian source mentioned early in this thread. I will say that for a weed, it is difficult to grow.
I was stressed out about skin cancer, living with something new popping up every few months for years and now I don't give it a second thought. I keep plants growing all the time and as soon as something pops up, it gets the treatment. PS has been a godsend for me. Thank you to this forum where I first found out about it. |
|
|
|
san1313
3 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2010 : 07:31:33
|
Hello all !!!!
I just wanted to add a few things to the thread I thought may be helpful.
First, my plants did very well and the spurge is doing its job. I treat spots by cutting off a leaf at the end of its steam and waiting about 30 seconds for a drop to form and placing 3-4 drops 3 times a day for 3 days consecutive. my nose is very happy now and the scabs are almost healed.
SECOND.... I think this may add something new to the thread, I used AERO Garden to grow my plants, you know, the little thing people use to grow herbs on the kitchen counter top. You see, I do NOT have a green thumb and these little things are fool proof, trust me on this. 1 week to sprout and 4 weeks later a bush with hundreds of leaves to harvest and all you have to do is add water once a week !!!
Side note... We live in a small world my friends. When I was ordering the aero-garden, I called the customer # to ask which would be best for me. The guy on the other end of the line asked what I was going to grow... I say.... Youre not going to believe this, but Im growing a weed to treat skin cancer, then I hear him laughing as he starts to tell me his father-in-law, a farmer in south africa uses a small plant to treat skin cancer but he doesent know the name of the plant.
I will try to get some pics up of my plants this week, and my Nose sincerely thanks this thread
Scott |
|
|
|
Irene
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2010 : 21:12:49
|
My plants are doing great now and I have harvested many seeds - let me know if you would like to get some.
ilester@sympatico.ca
Image Insert:
68.24 KB
Image Insert:
80.1 KB
|
|
|
|
mikE1
10 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 12:53:56
|
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me. |
|
|
|
thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 18:08:00
|
MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much.... |
|
|
|
mikE1
10 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 12:21:01
|
| You are welcome - hope your PS crop takes off. |
|
|
|
Grace2Go
64 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 15:13:31
|
Your plants look great Irene! I just planted my germinated seeds into pots today, and I'm looking forward to seeing mine flourish as yours have.
I live in an area where PS is not a native plant, so I'm growing it in pots on a screened porch. I'm planning to transplant one of the plants outside when they get bigger, just to see how it does.
|
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
