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bonder
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 Posted - 12/30/2011 : 20:44:05
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I THINK THIS IS TRULY UNAMERICAN TO BUILD A SITE LIKE THIS GIVING HOPE TO THOSE OF US WITHOUT ANY.
THE SHOWING OF ONE OR TWO SET OF PICTURES OF THE SAME PEOPLE SIMPLY TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY NATURAL PRODUCTS.
NOW I HAVE WAITED TOO LONG FOR A DECENT HOPE OF SURGERY WITHOUT FACIAL DESTRUCTION.
THESE HOME REMEDIES WORK GREAT FOR SELLERS AND NO ONE ELSE WHERE IS THE PROOF?????
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anivoc
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Posted - 12/31/2011 : 10:53:42
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Hi Bonder..
To be very clear this site is not about selling anything. Dan (the owner of this site) has been generous enough to take the time, energy and money to make this site possible.
It started with him sharing his thoughts and ideas on skin cancer and the way he has dealt with them. It has grown to a Forum of people around the world sharing their experiences, ideas< success's, failures, getting consolation and hope.
Again there is nothing sold on this site to treat skin cancer. I became a moderator to remove any post that were irrelevant or from non skin cancer suffers promoting their goods. If someone is coming here and it is clear they are real, they have been fighting skin cancer and talk about a product they use or feel works that is fine.
Unfortunately as of today there is nothing out there that is 100% effective and I am including the gold standard of dermatology (Mohs Surgery)
I came here as a pioneer in Blootroot looking for a softer easier way to get the same results. I posted real pictures of my self and my bloodroot journey.
Since then so many different trials and errors, I have learned a ton but the war is not over. We have a lot of new promising alternative skin cancer treatment approaches.
I wish it was more concise but as a forum it is pretty wild west. We get people coming here and they try something that they "think" works for them and with no ill intent, just high on "Hopeium" they tell everyone "this is it" and the crowd follows and unfortunately I myself have found myself globbing a concoction of blended eggplant and vinegar on my face for months only to come to realize..hmmmmm cure...not so much.
Sorry you are frustrated and dealing with skin cancers like the rest of us.
To be clear there are several treatments here that definitely work and some of them are free. i.e. Petty Spurge / Milk weed that grow wild all over the world and can be grown at anyones home for peanuts.
When I say work, I mean they are going to knock out the main lesion you are dealing with pretty well. IMO and just my opinion petty spurge and bloodroot paste are the two most obvious working topical treatments. I've had Mohs and I have used both of these and I would rather use these than have Mohs again.
There is also a plethora of vitamins and supplements you can take that seem to help damaged skin and AK's go away.
I believe I am on to something topical and really hopeful but am holding off until I am sure before posting about it here and having dozens of people rubbing the next "for sure cure" on their skin cancers.
Good Luck on your decision making as to how you will go forward treating your lesions.
A big thanks to Dan and his site and a Happy New Year to everyone here in the "dealing with skin cancer" boat.
Lets hope and pray 2012 brings a new era in skin cancer treatment
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2011 : 12:26:04
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Well, as the one of three people showing your pics, I can see your involvement is important to you but, whenever I go to a website and find links sending me to real estate websites or other websites template sites it has to make me wonder....
Originally I came here hoping to find some Americans trying to come together realizing that (Big Brother and Pharma) have manipulated our health care to the point of keeping one of the leading causes of death for population control.
It is obvious that the FDA has suppressed Hoxey and the rest in order to eliminate competition. When a person does enough internet research, they find that Dr Mohs was in with Hoxey at one point, then went his way for glory.
Can you imagine a govt agency going into a store run by Negros claiming to have medicines from Africa that was sacred to their home cultures? That would be so long on the internet and morning news that the advertisers would be choosing stations to use based upon their coverage of it !!
But, who is going to stand and walk the Capitol because our nation is the only one of it's sort without courtesy health care? It has become endemic to our culture to accept these things the same way we look at a supermarket pizza advertisements on the freezer doors offering " 2 at regular price and get 3 free, you save over $15 ! Most people believe the statement of how much we save and forget to look at the selling price having been boosted 50% since last week !
There is no one to trust anymore and certainly not Wall St. or politicians...
Most advanced societies last around 200 years and we have gone 50 plus past that number so it seems the greed is now catching us up !
Why won't American Medicine let men like Dr. John Boik PhD be the saviors of our illnesses? http://canceramerican.com
Is he too (natural) for them??? Why do people of our country have to be made to feel like criminals ordering Bloodroot creams off of the internet due to the FDA Nazis not wanting it sold at Walmart? I mean, who wants to order DMSO from a wood working website or a place where you order thing for your dog?
We are shown poor women with their noses cut off from
(pre-made, high-volume ads)of The Hoxey treatment.
I have scoured the internet desperately searching for a way not to have to go back to doctors that remove 3-times the amount of flesh around the tumor only to add billable hours cutting off pieces of my body to slap onto the giant hole...
We all know that Chemo does more harm than good but, it is still used after more than 40 years in a country that has changed the size of communications from a room full of women to giant satellites orbiting the earth that some day will collide with all of the other country's units due to unavoidable congestion.
So, some of us that don't like to hide at home anymore because of masses caused by the arsenic in chicken or the flouride used to keep us calm blasted into our national water supply and we want a little help? is that too UN-American of us?
I watched my father die of Parkinson's disease and gave up my plans of family and home just to make sure that he wasn't sent to a funny farm due to his reactions to their chemicals that his government pension paid for each month. And now I look in the mirror and believe what I read before about how stress can drain the body's immune system. I suppose that comes from surviving 3 clots in my lung at once that caused the Deep Vein Thrombosis as I saw the cancer growing.
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 18:06:48
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Hi Bonder, you're in the right place. I'm a 23 year melanoma survivor who's studied non-orthodox skin caner remedies for decades. This site has more and better quality treatment information than anywhere that I have found. And it's presented in an objective fashion that asks you to make up your own mind, not trying to influence you except towards considering the treatments people have experienced the best success.
They wanted to cut off the end of my nose (Moh's) but I've been self=treating with good success, considering I haven't yet used the bloodroot or petty spurge treatments anivoc mentioned. You can read my story and see my photos at http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=351
You can save your face, just keep reading here.
Best of luck, Tom |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 21:04:17
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Is this you Haugen?
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/herbal/msg101918476425.html?21
If it is, I am extremely impressed and feel privileged someone with your background took the time to (pep me up) a bit...
As a man new to the calling of the Lord I only know one thing for sure and that is I have plenty of experience saving lives and helping (others)... But, now passing over the half-century mark, it has become clear to me that no man is invincible despite a pretty good record. I was injured as a child and acquired brain damage that after an initial diagnosis and treatment by a well-known Midwestern neurologist, had me locked up into several psycho-hospitals and made to ingest many chemicals to change my behavior rather than considering I might be allergic to phenobarbital.
If I didn't have an Eagle Scout-turned Attorney for a father to get me out of that medical system, I might have very well turned to crime and violence and end up dead like over 75% of the kids I was being treated with did.
Thats the reason why he received 13 years of my help when he fell for the last time. Few people know the depth of love I have experienced and am capable of giving but, now it looks like this squamous the size of a quarter creeping its way into my nose may very well put an end to much of the love I want to express.
But once again, thanx for your response and I am almost ready to look into Astaxanthin the same way I have decided to continue misting my throat with diluted food grade Hydro just because it makes a lot of sense even though this mass only changes at the surface level and I started out with a loss of color in the very same spot under my skin when I pushed my upper lip out to shave.
My doctor told me it was probably nothing, a lot of people have those irregularities...
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 23:43:26
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bonder, Yes, that is me on GardenWeb doing battle with a physician over the difference between Herbalism (uncounted thousands of case studies carried forward by untold generations of herbalists) and medical science, which is an oxymoron. Anyways, you may have learned I have survived them all: melanoma (no recurrence after surgery), basal cell carcinomas (recurrent) and a big squamous cell carcinoma. You can do it too.
Do you have an actual biopsy that it's squamous cell? I assume you do. Of course melanoma needs different treatment. If I had an invasive squamous, I'd do the same thing I'm doing for my deep-rooted 15-year old basal that recurred, and astaxanthin is just the start.
You have survived some horrendous situations during your life, so this little squamous is going to be a piece of cake compared to what you've already overcome. And I mean that, no baloney.
You need to decide, "I am going to overcome this cancer." The best cancer doctors have written and said, if you decide you're probably going to die, then you probably will die, regardless of what treatment you receive. Conversely, if you decide you're going to live with this cancer, then you very likely will live. I am learning that mindset is more important than I thought. You seem like a mature person to me, so far be it from me to give any further counseling about mindset. Just do it.
I regret to tell you there is a cancer lifestyle. The good news is there is an anti-cancer lifestyle. I'm a good example. I got cancer during the times in my life when I was depressed about events over which I had no control, real downers. Bad mindset led to almost no exercise and bad eating habits, fast food, junk food, opening cans, lots of sugary treats, plenty of alcohol, and very few fresh fruits or vegetables. Not long ago I realized I was repeating the cancer lifestyle that first got me into trouble, but luckily I'm older and wiser and dug myself out of the hole.
As soon as I started exercising again, started eating healthier, cut way back on all the crap, and found some helpful natural supplements to take, I started feeling better so my mindset got better and my basal began to recede. Here in not terribly organized fashion are some of the therapies I use and support:
1. Low Dose Naltrexone, with or without intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. I use all-caps because this therapy is nearly too good to be true. In fact it's so good that one can't help but be suspicious of it due to all the ailments it's claimed to help. You know, claims like "The Cure for All Cancers" are always bogus. When I first read about this LDN/ALA therapy, I started from the assumption it's snake oil because of the grandiose claims.
You would be doing yourself a disservice not to look into LDN/ALA carefully. I heartily recommend you first watch these two movies:
Dr. Bernard Bihari was a Harvard Medical School grad who developed the low dose naltrexone treatment protocol. He was noticeably ill when he sat for this interview but he gave a wonderful explanation of immunity balancing. You'll see why people with multiple sclerosis practically worship this man.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=S6HPUJZO
Dr Burt Berkson first got a PHD in microbiology and then got an MD. He combined low dose naltrexone with intravenous alpha lipoic acid to treat tough cancers like pancreatic cancer. Notice in his talk he always introduces each case as "biopsied" so there can be no doubt the person had cancer. He's quite frank that many patients died, but keep in mind that many of them were sent home by their oncologists to die. He says wryly that those who believed their oncologist did indeed die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o48MgBi44XM&feature=related
If you watch the movies you can sense the integrity and credentials of these discoverer advocates of LDN and ALA. They are not snake oil salesmen, they have published in the scientific journals, and both of them state their fervent hope for Phase III clinical trials. On top of that they are using FDA-approved drugs that are already proven to have few or no side effects. What they have done is to invent new protocols using different dosages and combinations of these safe and effective drugs and have already been licensed to use the protocols in experimental settings.
To get you started getting over your skepticism, here is a short summary of the mechanism by which LDN appears to work. Naltrexone (generic name) is a pharmacologically active opioid antagonist, conventionally used to treat drug- and alcohol addiction - normally at doses of 50mg to 300mg. As such, it's been an FDA approved drug for over two decades. However, researchers have found that at very low dosages (3 to 4.5 mg), naltrexone has immunomodulating properties that may be able to successfully treat cancer malignancies and a wide range of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS), Parkinson's, fibromyalgia, and Crohn's disease, just to name a few. Immunomodulating meaning it can up-regulate the immune system in certain disease conditions and down regulate the immune system in other disease conditions, which explains why it can be a panacea.
As explained by Doctor Bihari, naltrexone enhances production of endorphins. The immune system is regulated almost entirely by endorphins. LDN boosts endorphins and then the endorphins up-regulate the immune system to double the number of certain immune cells such as killer cells. Endorphins may also directly kill cancer cells. LDN taken at bedtime can boost endorphin production as much as 3-fold. Endorphin levels in people with cancer are usually quite low, and killer cells are low when endorphins are low. Ditto for HIV/AIDS.
Unfortunately there haven't been any Phase III human clinical trials of LDN, so anyone considering using LDN can only rely on the fact that current estimates say there are some 50,000 persons around the world currently using LDN. That's a lot of people who are happy with the results they are getting. BTW, its off license so the cost is 25 cents a day.
For the scientists/skeptics I've already referenced their best articulation of the oppo viewpoint; if you want to see a real master's work head on over to http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/low-dose-naltrexone-bogus-or-cutting-edge-science/
That guy has really got it wired with all the facts and figures. And if you have the patience, thread your way down through the responses and you'll see my greed point of view articulated far better than I ever could.
2. Astaxanthin is a natural plant substance. This carotenoid, contrary to previous claims of certain posters, does not work in the same fashion as other carotenoids. As I understand it the mechanism of action is different. Again, many thousands of people are using it with good results even though it has not been through Phase III clinical trials. (I use it and have photographic proof that it works for me.) Cost is 15 cents a day.
Astaxanthin research for the technically minded: The Medical Research of Astaxanthin 273 pages
http://www.cyanotech.com/pdfs/Astaxanthin_Abstract_Book.pdf
For the rest of us: ASTAXANTHIN AND CANCER
http://www.livestrong.com/article/465213-astaxanthin-and-cancer/
3. For non-melanoma skin cancers, the most frequently diagnosed cancer of all, I support Astaxanthin pills and a topical herb that comes from a weed called petty spurge. In Australia where skin cancer is rampant they are having good success with petty spurge. The sap from the stem is applied directly to the sores. This is a weed found throughout the world so the cost of treatment can be free. Ingenol mebutate is the active agent in the sap of the plant Euphorbia peplus, and has been incorporated in a gel ointment PEP005 that is in Phase II and III clinical trials.
http://www.leo-pharma.us/Home/Research-and-Development/LEO-Pharma-Global-Pipeline.aspx
4. This one I'm not as sure about so I've never posted anything about it. Paw paw twig extract, from the North American paw paw tree, Asimina triloba. In the same plant family (the Annonaceae) as the graviola, custard-apple, cherimoya, sweetsop, ylang-ylang and soursop. Graviola and several others have claimed health benefits, but they are different from this paw paw extract, so don't be confused. Paw paw extract contains standardized mixtures of annonaceous acetogenins from the paw paw (Asimina triloba) tree.
"Many of the acetogenins have been isolated and characterized, and their numerous health benefits are being explored. Three, bullatacin, asimicin, and trilobacin, have been identified as the most potent, major, bioactive structural types of acetogenins in the paw paw concentrate. Ongoing studies confirm the benefits of paw paw extracts in clinical cancer treatments. Paw paw extracts can be used to inhibit the growth of cancer cells and as effective alternative or supplement to chemotherapeutic agents. Proprietary safety studies were conducted on the paw paw extract prior to giving it to people."
"Contraindication
It is not advisable to take Paw paw with nutritional supplements like CoQ10 and thyroid stimulators, as these supplements enhance mitochondrial complex 1 activities and energy production, respectively. Likewise, antioxidants block programmed cell deaths (apoptosis) and can reverse the damaging effects of paw paw on the cancer cells."
Purdue University obtained eight patents on specific acetogenins in paw paw and other related plants.
1. Megadose of Vitamin C powder, starting 1/4 teaspoon, then up to 1/2 teaspoon a day - $15/pound at Amazon/swansonvitamins.com or Trader Joe's
2. Mega multivitamin, $12/month from same place.
3. Astaxanthin pill, 15 cents a day from Amazon/swansonvitamins.com
5. Low Dose Naltrexone, 4.5 mg per night, 25 cents a day, order at unitedpharmacies.com
NDCT01 - Nodict (Naltrexone Hydrochloride) - 50mg (10 Tablets) x 1 = $18.50
Regular Airmail (7-21 days) = $7.50 TOTAL = $26.00
6. Melatonin 10mg. one hour before bed. 10 cents a night at Amazon Schiff Melatonin Plus 3 mg Melatonin with 25 mg Theanine - For Stress Relief and a Sounder Sleep - 300 Tablets
To make this post even longer I’ll give you a interview excerpt from a Swiss M.D. who doesn’t speak real good English.
Dr. Olivier Wenker, M.D. Professor of Anesthesiology, Director of Technology Discovery, Office of Translational Research, MD Anderson Cancer Center. [MD Anderson has the largest cancer center in the world.]
Q: I wanted to ask you. Give me specifics of your cancer preventive diet.
DR. OLIVIER WENKER: I would say what prevents and is certainly valid after the treatment. I mean there should be no cancer patient that is just continuing in lifestyle, bad lifestyle like before. I mean the nutrition plan needs to be part, not just nutrition plan because it's not just nutrition, it's lifestyle. How much you walk and all these things. So I'm gonna make it easy. I mean if I need to boil it down to maybe five words, what you need to do to prevent cancer, to treat cancer and then later on to make sure it doesn't come back? Bring down your sugar consumption, bring down your calorie consumption, eat the colors, (your berries, all the colorful fruits and vegetables) start exercising, and do something like meditation, prayer, just some relaxation, spa, sleep, you know, you need seven hours sleep. So it's sugars down, calories down, colors up, exercise up, and then relaxation up. If you do that, you have a secret formula.
A: If you go with the `colors' as I told you to eat, you're gonna automatically more or less do an alkaline diet. You know, the acid diet would more, be the red meat diets kind of thing, a lot of acids. The alkalines you're gonna find in the fruits and vegetables. Having said that, the body was created in a just wonderful and miraculous way and the body has many means to deal with alkaline and acids, and all these things. And as long as the lung or your kidneys are functioning to a certain extent, you're gonna immediately equalize whatever you do wrong in the nutrition. The problem is we do it wrong chronically and then the bone has to come in and give some calcium and some other things out of the bone to stabilize and then you get osteoporosis and many other things do happen. So it's a little more complicated than that. So my opinion, when - a lot of people ask me about alkaline water and things like that. The difference is so small. At the end of the day the cancer cell is very acidic. We don't know yet how to deal with that.
bonder, best of luck to you. Please keep us informed of your progress and what works for you.
Tom
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 07:07:29
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Geez Tom I can't believe someone else would just take so much time to care about another without even being able to bum a cig or beg a bottle off of him in the future lol...
I was brought up to care and can you imagine, the frat I joined had a slogan " The Helping Hand"
It became clear to me that if I let addiction run my life, I would end up like my mother did and probably be found dead in her home with no one around to know due to extreme negative behaviors causing at least (one) of her children to shun her for fear of the dynamic reoccurance of gran mal seizures created shortly after visitation.
When I was in for the DVT, two doctors looked at me with a blank stare as I told them about the scuba diving and rock climbing I used to like to do. The key for me at 16 yrs was to be fascinated with the way Arnold was able to flex his bicep,tricep and calf muscles showing what extremes a body can be pushed to in order to gain strength (even before the steroids).
At that point, I started to study a way to live without seizure medications in order to live a somewhat (normal) life.
It became clear to me that without the fat of animals every day I would be left confused and weak and never be able to gain the size I wanted for myself. But, the problem for most of us is that we don't exercise enough to compensate for the fat.
For me, it was the perfect time for this discipline due to the fact that I started to become physically impressed with Raquel Welch pictures lol... So, getting into shape with big arms seemed like a (really) good idea at the time.
I also had to learn how to control my heart beat and brain wave movements but, that is a whole other grand standing I suppose.
Suffices to say that, there would be no more coca-colas, vanilla ice cream or diet sodas for me if I wanted to gain size and stretch past the point of most cotton dress shirts. Living for decades without medications was an unbelievable feat to most others with seizures and they looked at me and laughed most of the time. It is very hard to play the John Wayne style and sort of stop your speech to breathe, look at the floor and draw attention away from your true slow uptake of conversation but, I do it... I wish someone would pay me to write a book so I could spend the time I would probably need to help others with seizures. Most of the time, I just would ask someone what they liked for dessert and find out why their minds were so dull from medications. They ate all this crap being broadcasted to us starting as little kids and their bodies were being blasted up and down from sugar highs and lows so, they had no choice other than to be chemically regulated.
Once I found out about H202, I was a believer and showed it to my best friend for his post nasal drip issues.
Tom, the thing that I have noticed so far is that "apoptosis,alkaline and anaerobic" seem to be words used all over the place as I research this disease. So, hypothetically, If one could fool the body into thinking it was more alkaline, and get appropriate levels of oxygen to the specific sites of damage or perhaps just the bloodstream, the cancer cells might die and stop morphing into unregulated rebirths and migrations??
It seems to me that sitting back and believing modern medicine's claims of heredity has as much validity as the idea that women don't expel gas the same way men do. I was married once so, I know this is not true...
If the idea that cancer is quite often dictated by environment and diet, then it only makes sense to assume that
your family eats quite the same as generations before them and (THAT) is why you are more prone to certain diseases in the big picture, not simply because of some Latin-sounding medical term that a doctor in his or her field named for some need to fulfill a pompous,pedantic and phony behavior issue from a lack of proper toilet training as a child.
The medical and legal world are so full of B.S. that it is a wonder more people don't off themselves in their twenties !
Oh, but then again, I forget sometimes that suicide is illegal in the U.S.A. (a trick learned from the land barons of Europe that figured out if people were not afraid for their families and continue to live in a world made for pond scum, there would be no one left to pay their taxes...)
I used to say before my coming to the Lord, " Don't whiz on my boots and tell me it's raining" |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 08:07:49
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BTW, here is what I am currently dealing with after the idiots missed some of the problem the last time I went to the doctor.
I can control this because it is my website and anyone else that has some pics is welcome to offer them for the good of others.
https://sites.google.com/a/americandisablement.com/www/home/new-pics-1/some-cancer-pics
One might ask the question, How could he let it get so big? The answer is I don't know really...
It might be the meth house that continued to be 2 doors down from me or that my father had died or that the woman who's life I saved, left as soon as she learned about (perception) and how to stop attempting suicides and got her credit rating up again.
The darkness of the lesion is probably due to the fact that currently I am trying the DMSO/ALOE treatment to see how far down it goes.
I believe that DMSO is a very good carrier to the site and it seems to pass out of the body easily according to what i have read. The real question tho is, (What will I use to be carried to do the cancer destruction?)
This is why I am thinking more towards an internal device like a pill so it goes into my bloodstream at the same time. |
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 13:43:13
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“Tom, the thing that I have noticed so far is that "apoptosis, alkaline and anaerobic" seem to be words used all over the place as I research this disease. So, hypothetically, If one could fool the body into thinking it was more alkaline, and get appropriate levels of oxygen to the specific sites of damage or perhaps just the bloodstream, the cancer cells might die and stop morphing into unregulated rebirths and migrations??”
bonder, alkalinity therapy and oxygen therapy are two extremely popular theories on how to control cancer cells. Unfortunately they are still just theories and while there are a lot of testimonials and anecdotes claiming they work, the scientific chemistry of cancer cells is far more complex. I too was hoping these simple therapies would be the answer, but they have yet to be proven.
First we need to distinguish between consuming various substances versus applying those same substances topically to a skin cancer. The two most common substances being used are baking soda and hydrogen peroxide. A number of people on this forum have experienced good results by applying them topically, a method that brings the substance into direct contact with the cancer cells. Eating these substances in an effort to attack the cancer from within is a whole different story. What I have learned is that eating a lot of baking soda might have a slight chance of doing something to the cancer, but in the meantime it will neutralize all the stomach acid which allows bad microbes to grow in the digestive tract, harmful bacteria and fungi like Candida. Overgrowth of the wrong microbes has already been proven to cause several types of gastrointestinal cancers and damage to the immune system so it is not as available to fight cancer. Hydrogen peroxide has to be diluted to avoid damaging the gastrointestinal tract, and the logic of how it would enter the bloodstream and go to cancers is difficult to follow.
The more I study the chemistry of cancer the less I know. A highly trained scientist whom I trust has written two books about cancer and has made one of them available download for free. If you like it you should send him some money.
Natural Compounds in Cancer Therapy http://ompress.com/
He discusses how to get the immune system involved in controlling the cancer, and his approach is to select from 38 natural substances the dozen or so that are appropriate for a particular cancer. Until his research bears fruit, we will have to go on our best judgment as to what natural products to consume to control the cancer. I’ve outlined the basics in my previous post.
You mentioned the influence that genes might have on the development of cancer, yet another complex area of study. I like the discussion of nature (genes) versus nurture (diet) at http://web.udl.es/usuaris/e4650869/Morella06/BB/Kaput_Diet_disease%20gene%20interactions.pdf
It’s important to know that the foods we eat can change our gene expression. In other words, someone might have a genetic disposition to develop a certain type of cancer, but by eating the the correct wholesome foods the person could suppress those genes from causing the cancer. I am coming to believe our gastrointestinal tract holds answers to many cancer issues. We are a super organism made up of about 1 trillion human cells and about 20 trillion commensal cells. All those one celled microbes make us who we are in much the same way as our genes.
http://discovermagazine.com/2011/mar/04-trillions-microbes-call-us-home-help-keep-healthy
Our past experiences make us who we are. We can’t get well but we can heal. Best of luck.
Tom |
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2012 : 13:53:55
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bonder, I saw your post about DMSO and aloe vera, sounds good. You might want to read on this forum about some other people's experiences and advice on various topicals. For a while I was mixing buffered vitamin C (crushed a tablet) with aloe vera, but I didn't use it long enough to tell how effective it was. I also read this thread about agrimony, so I bought a small amount of powdered agrimony on eBay and added it to DMSO. It seemed to be working, however the thought came to me that a few drops of distilled water and alcohol (vodka) might dissolve other beneficial compounds in the agrimony in order to carry them into the skin. I don't recommend any of this, I'm just throwing it out for your perusal.
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 14:36:26
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Tom, I looked in the mirror today and I decided if I was a squamous cell, this is how I'd want to look like after a week, not all dark and flaky LIKE IN MY PICTURE !
So, one of two things has happened here, either I have found out that DMSO should be used for animals or, the Aloe Vera (98%) did such a fine job of getting through via the DMSO that my body decided to heal the 1st layer of skin as I have read about so much here and other internet places. I will try the DMSO again without the Aloe to see if anything besides pain and darkness does occur. because of the idea that skin has layers, attacking it layer by, layer came to mind but, then again, I usually heal quite well and fast so, that modality might just be too slow for cancer. ( I will tell you that just like a bit of a psycho,) I decided to razor off a portion of the tumor so that after the stopping of the blood, I could apply the DMSO to an (underneath) layer of skin in my trial here. All that I have noticed is that this tumor heals itself quite quickly and the piece of it I left hanging on the side, has re-attached and now looks very much like the other surface areas...
After high school football and some bad times as a bouncer during school, a sort of deep cut does not seem to be very much to me considering I might be facing stitches up and down my face if I choose the caveman surgery.
Thank you for the Berkson video, I can see that at 50, I may very well have to start with supplements and quit thinking my body will get all I need from what I generally eat regardless of the fact that I am not a sugar and chemical-drinking droid... |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 15:12:31
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bonder, most people find that healing their skin cancers involves gradual shedding/flaking off layers of skin and even tissue as the cancer cells die off. As an example, I lost another layer of skin about twice a week for a couple of months. Eventually all the cancer cells work up to the surface and flake off, leaving new healthy skin underneath. The flaking is ugly but hopefully it is a symptom of the cancer receiving.
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 15:50:03
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" bonder, alkalinity therapy and oxygen therapy are two extremely popular theories on how to control cancer cells. Unfortunately they are still just theories and while there are a lot of testimonials and anecdotes claiming they work, the scientific chemistry of cancer cells is far more complex. I too was hoping these simple therapies would be the answer, but they have yet to be proven. "
Tom I guess I need to be a bit more clear on your position of needing alkaline? here is something I read from a quick google about baking soda...
Many components of the modern western diet – meats, fish, dairy products, most grains, sugars, alcohol and caffeinated drinks (in fact, almost everything except vegetables, millet, most fruits and, as we have just seen, apple cider vinegar) – contribute to one's body becoming too acidic. This in turn can open the door to a variety of problems, some of them (including arthritic complaints) potentially serious if this acidic condition persists for many years.
This is because your body will attempt to compensate by retaining alkaline salts in the bloodstream to offset the increase of tissue acidity. Since your body can only tolerate a small imbalance in blood pH (the acid-alkali balance), it will rob alkaline components from other places – including your body's precious alkaline reserves – in an effort to restore proper pH equilibrium. This can result in heartburn, digestive distress, stomach upset, fatigue and a multitude of other symptoms. Simple, inexpensive kitchen baking soda can fix this.
Very useful in keeping the body healthily alkalized is half to one teaspoon a day of baking soda in water. Don't take it with or within an hour of meals, though, as the stomach needs to retain its acidity in order to perform its digestive functions effectively.
So, others speak of success from using this item directly onto the tumor? Is this from something other than creating more alkalinity then and second, does this ingestion of baking soda affect other parts of the body for the good but, not working the tumor from the inside-out?
Also, was nobel-winning, Warburg wrong about the anaerobic basis of cancer and it's more primitive state?
I am a surface-level googler quite often...
"Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for his discovery that cancer cells have different metabolic properties than normal cells. ( Healthy cells are aerobic; they use oxygen in most of their chemical reactions. Cancer cells have reverted to a more primitive metabolic process, called fermentation which is anaerobic, or without oxygen. This means that cancer cells thrive in a low-oxygen environment."
A convex strategy would be to put the cancer into a higher-level of oxygenation and starve it of the glucose in my mind.
However, I have no idea what my body would be like inside were I to change it in this manner. One thing I know for sure is I definitely need natural sugars inside to remain any sort of a coherent being.
The one thing that has stuck with me that I have read is that "everyone has cancer cells inside" it is just what happens when your immune system goes bad that is the problem. To me, that means that just like the highly corrosive acids of the stomach in the wrong environment, like from a gun shot wound,they are always there with us doing the job (as long as other elements do not disturb things).
If the immune system can trigger the action of the cancer, it seems to me the best thing to do on a temporary basis is to fool the body into thinking it's levels are ok until a highly specific radius surrounds the cancer starving it of the nutrients normally need for survival. (assuming no metastasis has occurred) then just leave it to die off...
However, the idea of putting a liquid substance into the bloodstream that is a proven poison is not what I mean here.
Any thoughts?
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 16:45:43
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| I'm glad to finally see some postings about LDN (low dose naltrexone). I've been seriously researching this; however, I've read it doesn't have much of an effect on SCC's. Anyone know anything different? This would be ideal for me since my skin cancer is in such a location that topical treatment is exceedingly painful and difficult. |
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 17:01:15
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bonder, the debates about baking soda go on and on. Keep in mind that for several million years of evolution our ancestors ate a certain way and seldom used any alkaline minerals like baking soda. The modern Western diet runs counter to that, so persons who eat badly might benefit from the soda bicarbonate in controlling the resulting acidity. The writers I trust all advocate the anticancer diet as the appropriate means to avoid acidity.
Touts are pushing "alkaline water" but you notice Doctor Wenker in the interview posted above says it can't do much. BTW, he also says in quirky fashion that acidity will rob calcium from the bones, which happens because the body uses calcium to buffer acidity and when there isn't enough calcium in the blood to counteract all the acid, the body mobilizes calcium from the bones. For that reason I take a calcium pill when I get up, in order to counteract the acidity of the two big mugs of coffee I'm going to drink.
You asked about baking soda on the tumor, and one theory goes: cancer cells create an acidic environment and they die if the environment reaches a pH of 8. I believe most of this theory comes from examination of cancer cells in test tubes, when in fact the cancer cells in a living tumor may have a certain pH inside the cell itself and a somewhat different pH in the spaces between the cancer cells, but I gave up on trying to understand this complex environment. I think another theory goes: cancer cells emit chemicals and proteins to fool the immune system into allowing them to survive. The high pH affects these chemicals and proteins such that the immune system recognizes and attacks the cancer cells. Regardless, what matters is people say they have success using baking soda topically.
When you read about Warburg, then you need to read about Reverse Warburg effect, especially in the last couple of years. Like many early pioneers he had some things dead right and other things dead wrong.
Re: starving cancer cells of glucose, brain cells use glucose, so you can't entirely eliminate glucose from your diet. However, sugars and refined white products which readily convert into sugar in the bloodstream are an integral part of the dreaded Western diet. There are plenty of reasons to avoid eating these items.
"" "everyone has cancer cells inside" it is just what happens when your immune system goes bad that is the problem."" You hit that nail right on the head. Nearly all the therapies I've already written about enhance the immune system and/or enable it to identify and then kill the cancer. You turned me on to Doik, skim through his book online and you'll find a better explanation of how the immune system fails in its job and how it can be reinvigorated.
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 17:23:03
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simple_me, like you I have read that LDN may not have much effect on SCC, but I haven't seen any published studies. If you watch the interview with Dr. Bihari that I posted, he points out that endorphins almost entirely control the immune system, and they trigger the production of both types of killer cells. Some other good chemicals with names like enkephalins and citokines also get boosted and provide positive effects. It may be that SCC successfully camouflages itself from all these great killers, I don't know. Keeping in mind there are several types of SCC and almost no studies, there is always the chance after your immune system is mobilized by the LDN it will recognize your type of SCC and attack it. I decided it was worth a shot with my BCC.
If you come across any studies of LDN for skin cancers, please let me know.
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 09:13:35
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Ok Tom, here is the site with the Boik and Bergson Lipoic Acid links (and free CNBC)if you go to googman and scroll down lol...
http://canceramerican.blogspot.com
Better mute before you go because there is automatic jazz video etc.
So, what I have learned recently is that too much of what we try internally is never truly sent to the targets we desire and thus the topical insertion is really the best venue for outside of the body?
This was my (gut) feeling after a while and why I chose DMSO for the catalyst and I am now pondering if Lipoic acid might just be the element to turn into a poultice to apply from the outside???
Berkson says that his intravenous treatments have had much higher rates of remission and when I search around I even find a salve/lotion claiming to have Lipoic acid as an ingredient that saved a man's skin cancer.
The ingestion sort of scares me due to what he says can happen without the correct B vitamins DNA damage etc.
This is at about 55 mins into his presentation (and you better not touch the Asian-made products I guess...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o48MgBi44XM&feature=related
But, from what I've seen and read, the idea of creating a targeted radius with destructive elements on a temporary basis scares me a lot less than having my face cut apart...
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 10:57:10
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bonder, I take an alpha lipoic acid capsule twice a day as it can recycle/rejuvenate the other antioxidants. Also I have heard of using it topically, just have no experience with that myself. I take a mega-multi-vitamin with massive Bs in it.
Using DMSO as a catalyst/solvent is fine, I've read that it acts partly as a healing agent itself and partly as a carrier to transport the other healing components in your topical cocktail deep into the tissue. There's the rub: can the DMSO dissolve and transport all the various molecules, or is it incapable of handling larger molecules as I have read? That's why I'm toying with the idea of using a little vodka (= alcohol + water) along with the DMSO in hopes that those solvents will also carry ingredients into the skin.
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 11:45:36
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Tom, thanks so much for your response. Yes, I ordered some LDN from United last week (should receive it soon) Because I have seen the videos and read everything I can find on the subject. I figured it's worth a shot. Besides that, I have fibromyalgia, which has reportedly responded to the LDN. So, I doubt it can hurt.
I would also like to chime in on the alkalinity issue. For six years, I have battled my particular skin cancer without any help from doctors. I've refused all surgery, radiation, and chemo (even topical) because of my personal beliefs.
Anyway, I followed an alkaline diet (Budwig for one year, Hallelujah for another year) where I kept my urine and saliva pH at 7.5 to 8.0 for two straight years. Guess what? My cancer grew! Then, I found information by Carey Reams and also Dr. Revici who claim that either too alkaline or too acid both are bad for cancer.
After switching my diet to a slightly less alkalized one (by adding just a bit of grassfed, hormone free meat) I keep both saliva and urine pH's around 6.2-6.4; since then, no more cancer has grown and I even saw one lesion get smaller. All on diet--nothing external, because the location of my SCC is in a very painful place and difficult to use topical stuff on. However, the cancer hasn't regressed anymore since that; though it hasn't spread anymore either.
So, I say all that to say that perhaps there isn't a "one fits all" when it comes to diet and such. And perhaps (just maybe) Reams and Revici were onto something for some people? I cannot say for sure. As Tom pointed out, not all skin cancers are the same. I just know, for me, it's been better to not be so incredibly alkaline. |
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 12:55:03
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simple_me, do you have a particular diet or diet writer you like? I try to eat pretty much like Dr. Wenker I quoted above.
Regarding starting on the LDN, I started really low, 1/4 to 1/2 mg. and it may be placebo but I felt better immediately. Others say starting low keeps bad dreams / insomnia / side effects almost non-existent. They say build up over at least a month. LDN is so powerful, it makes sense to me not to jolt the system with a big (low) dose at first. I don't take any prescription medicines; have you searched each of yours for LDN interaction?
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 12:56:06
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Tom,
I'm sure you have been here but, this is the basis of my belief in DMSO along with another MD that took it into the jungle with him to drink water...
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/DMSO.html
Here is where my advanced thinking fades due to the injury as a child.
There's the rub: can the DMSO dissolve and transport all the various molecules, or is it incapable of handling larger molecules as I have read? That's why I'm toying with the idea of using a little vodka (= alcohol + water) along with the DMSO in hopes that those solvents will also carry ingredients into the skin.
Why would you want to put extra chemicals and water into a mixture and risk dilution when it has been stated often times that DMSO even carries (chemotherapy) molecules into a more targeted area for cancer destruction ?
lastly,
So, why are you against the use of Cansema (black paste) now that it is made with DMSO ??
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 14:06:08
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bonder, I had read many of the pages on Cancertutor and found much of it to be reliable, but a few suggestions researched out as iffy or outdated by recent discoveries. Mindset is important as I said before, if you believe it will work, then it is much more likely to work, so I don't try therapies I don't have full confidence in. That said, I AM using DMSO in my topical cocktail, with agrimony powder. The paste is easy to put on with a Q-tip. When I made the last batch I added 1/4 tsp of vodka to 1/2 tsp of agrimony to dissolve some of the ingredients, and then added a 1/4 tsp of 99% DMSO at a time until it became a runny paste. Too runny and it runs down my face.
As far as dilution goes, Cancertutor said: "(the liquid is 99.9% pure DMSO mixed with 30% distilled water, meaning it is 70% pure DMSO and 30% distilled water). The reason 70% is chosen is because it is less harsh on your skin and it is still a mixture that will be absorbed well by the skin."
Black salve works, but like one person wrote, do not use unless you have a good supply of strong painkillers at hand. Apparently it can be excruciating on the face. On a large lesion it likely will leave a large scar, but maybe not quite as large as surgery. As Anivoc stated at the beginning of this thread, most persons here favor petty spurge sap over black salve for those reasons.
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 15:35:44
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| Gotcha Thanx Be Well :) |
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 16:53:43
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WHEN YOU HAVE A MOSQUITO BITE, EMAIL A LEPER COLONY....
I Got this from a herpes website after perusing around about Hydrogen peroxide...
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE BETTER BUT NOT CURED
[YEA] 09/13/2009: Ali from Jacksonville, Fl writes: "Adding diluted Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide to a pitcher of ice tea has been a God Send. I was devasted when I tested positive about 7 yrs. ago. I never had a severe case and outbreaks were pretty infrequent but it was more the embarrassment than the discomfort that lead me to find a solution. The lysine did not work at all for me. But to my utter amazement and relief the FGHP did! It has been about 3 years since I started adding it and I have not had an "occurrence" since...not one full blown outbreak!!! Although I have felt like it was going to happen due to fatigue or sore legs or a pain in my stomach but then I would make an effort to ingest more of the FDHP than normal which seemed to stop the potential onset in its tracks. Please try this and be careful...read the directions and dilute properly. All I can say is it REALLY worked. I think I might get tested during my next wellness visit to see if it's gone....fingers crossed!"
So, this may be the internal sort of drink I try for the inside-out effort, we will see. |
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 18:30:49
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Tom,
Thanks for your response. I especially appreciate the info on starting LDN slowly. I was debating about whether to do that or not, because they say definitely to do it with MS, but some people say cancer patients should go full gusto--but that advice might just be because many cancer patients come to LDN in late stages. Not sure. I think I will start slowly, too, once it arrives. I'm very eager to try it. I will certainly keep you posted of my experience with it.
Good point about the scripts, in case anyone else here might be reading this and is interested in trying LDN. I currently don't take any presciption medications, and I rarely even take a Tylenol, unless I am in severe pain. I have read there are certain interactions with the Naltrexone, and if I were ever to have to take any prescriptions--or over the counter--I would certainly check out the interactions, and I encourage anyone else to do the same. Drug interactions are serious.
Currently, I am trying Dr. Revici's theory that if one is too catabolic then one should eat anabolic foods and take anabolic lipids until it's balanced; or vice-versa, if one is too anabolic, then one should eat more catabolic foods and take catabolic lipids.
I am too catabolic (which, if Revici's theory is right, might explain why the alkaline diets caused my cancer to grow). So, I started eating more anabolic foods and taking the lipid Borage Oil, which is also anabolic. I just started this diet this week, so I can't say as yet how it might turn out.
Prior to this diet, I was following a Weston A Price type diet, which did seem to make one of my lesions (my largest one) get smaller. But beyond that, nothing. Though, it didn't cause the cancer to spread more, like Budwig and Hallelujah did for me.
I don't know Dr. Wenker, but I agree that in many, many cases, that type of diet works for some people. But alkaline diets just didn't work me...and I gave two of them a good try, both a year a piece. So I decided to give something else a try. It's totally different than an alkaline diet, but I figure, at this point, I have nothing left to lose.
I think what you said to Bonder is so true: state of mind is oh-so imporantant! :-) |
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2012 : 21:11:11
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SIMPLE ME
Another thing to consider I have found in suppressing of my neurology problems for most of my life was to consider what things are packaged in...
As you seem to be trying different diets hoping to control your issues, consider that most things are packaged in what is cheap or FDA-SAFE to the mfg company. Even some municipal water supplies are now suspect and so I once thought that trying to adapt by following a popular diet was enough, it became clear to me later that the metal in my teeth, the cans or bottles I ate or drank from and pans I cooked with all had a place for reasonable concern. I try to experiment with things that leave the body quickly in order to not have recovery time be much of an issue. This Lipoic acid idea is going to take me a bit of time to consider that is for sure....
Sources of Aluminium
Food - Some foods such as tea and ceral crops contain naturally occurring aluminium but the greater proportion of aluminium in food comes from additives. Many food additives approved for use in the US and Europe contain aluminium and these are ubiquitous in processed foods. For example, sodium aluminium phosphate is a common raising agent in baked goods, while processed cheese is also high in aluminium.37
Food Packaging - Studies have also shown processed foods and soft drinks packaged in aluminium cans, trays and wrappers can be contaminated with considerable amounts of aluminium; this is especially true of acidic and salty foods e.g. tomato pasta sauce.38
Cookware - Just as aluminium can leach out of food packaging, cookware made of aluminium can also contaminate food. Again, acidic and salty foods are likely to be the biggest problem. The same goes for foods stored wrapped in aluminium foil.
Water - According to the world health organization (WHO) aluminium constitutes about 8% of the Earth's crust, maing it the most abundant metal on the planet. salts of aluminium are widely used in water treatment plants to reduce organic matter, turbidity and microorganism levels - "Such use may lead to increased concentrations of aluminium in finished water (i.e. municipal water supply)."39 Despite this only an estimated 5% of oral aluminium consumption comes from water - the sources just discussed being much more significant.
Air Pollution - Aluminium is a widely used metal in manufacturing industries so air pollution from aluminium plants is substantial. One study found people living close to such a plant were more than 4 times more likely to be admitted to hospital and have increased risk of suffering aluminium related health effects than those living far from such sources industrial pollution.40
Personal Care Products - Salts of aluminium such as aluminium chloride and aluminium-zirconium compounds are widely used in deodorants and antiperspirants. Research suggests that long-term use of such products can significantly increase the body burden of this toxic metal.41
Medicines - Aluminium compounds are commonly found in mdecines, either as the active ingredient, or as additives used for various reasons. An example of aluminium-containing medicines are antacids which use aluminium hydroxide as the active ingredient.
Health Effects of Aluminium
Aluminium is a potent neurotoxin. It may contribute to poor memory and concentration and mood disorders such as depression and anxiety by interfering with communication between brain cells.42 Higher aluminium levels are linked with increased production of beta-amyloid proteins and increased risk of Alzheimer#146;s disease.43 Studies show that aluminium is detrimental to bone health. A review of the medical literature found that high use of aluminium-containing antacids is often a cause of osteomalacia (softening of the bones) and fractures, even in the relatively young (40-50 age group).44 Aluminium is known to be genotoxic - it damages genetic material. It has been strongly linked to breast cancer (especially from antiperspirants) due both to the damage it exerts on DNA and because it interferes with the function of oestrogen. 45 Aluminium also interferes with key energy producing reactions within every cell and thus can be a significant contributor to symptoms of chronic fatigue and general malaise.
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 21:44:27
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Thanks Bonder. You're very thoughtful. I assure you, though, in the past six years, I have done everything! I don't even use shampoo or toothpaste anymore, but instead use safe alternatives. I even make my own tooth powder and soap and shampoo! Even with all the diets I've tried, I have eaten a very clean diet. I don't use processed foods. I use organic. I use hormone-free. The only thing I eat that comes packaged is the meat, but I've only just added it. Before, it was only fruits and veggies, so there was no packaging.
I spent an entire year brewing Kombucha and water Kefir (which are also supposedly anti-cancer) and besides clean water and freshly pressed juices, that was all I drank. In fact, I still don't drink sodas, but I have quit the Kombucha and water Kefir and added a little green tea.
I've done wheatgrass, garlic, Vitamin C, Baking soda, H2o2--I even spent six months on the Gerson therapy! I am so frustrated, because I have done it all. I have literally put my husband in the poorhouse from trying everything and using the more expensive organic and natural products.
I am exhausted, broke, and quite frankly at my wits-end. LDN is my last ditch-effort. If this doesn't work, I am going to eat whatever I want, bathe in chorlinated water and maybe even have a shot of single malt scotch. Then, I'll give in and let the doctors use their slash and burn methods on me. Because, for six long years I really and truly have done everything possible for my particular situation. I've run the gamut. |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 23:25:05
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SIMPLE ME
Damn, see this is what I mean, all this effort you put in, all the money on (highly-touted products and diets)and still no real good results from what I just read from you here. This is why I have come to the conclusion that it is the caustic elements that (may) damage other skin cells for a while that needs to be used as the sword that finally slashes through the membrane barriers and opens the grave pit for those demon cells and their heirs... The key may be not in the penance of a former poor diet but, simply to eat God's foods as intended and bathe in extra oxygen while massaging a compound made of trees that in their original form, gave off oxygen to the earth for us to breathe. At least that is what I am going to try first and then if that does not work, perhaps it will be time to try the one thing many others use as a last resort.
I've learned here that I probably don't get all that I once did from the foods I eat and so it is probably time for more vitamins, maybe even certain acids that I never even knew existed before. It seems as though there are very happy patients not having anymore (outbreaks) from this line of thought so, perhaps my anaerobic fans will come to understand that the party time is over and Elvis has truly left the building...
I'll be sure to let you know what I find out but, something tells me that some pain will indeed have to be endured at first,
my hope is that once again pressing past the point of pain will be where the answer will be (for me at least.)
Be Well,
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2012 : 09:30:09
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Tom,
I forgot to ask you how important you think Iodine is to cancer recovery and whether taking 330 mcg of kelp really means anything to me? I bought a 7% tincture for topical application like the Italian recommends for use with baking soda.
Also, is it really skin layers being carved off from things like DMSO and bloodroot or is it a natural reaction of the skin to produce a dry substance to flake off (over) the skin?
Be Well,
Bonder
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simple_me
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2012 : 09:54:00
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Bonder,
It is indeed disheartening and frustrating. I agree about the burn. Unfortunately, the cancer I have is in a location where I simply cannot tolerate much burn. And I do have a high pain threshold. Not to be crass, but I have squamous cell carcinoma of the vulva. They're open sores that bleed a lot. I could never tolerate bloodroot or such down there, or I would scream so loudly the neighbors would call the police suggesting my husband is beating me (dont' ask me how I know this...sigh...just imagine trying to explain such a delicate and private matter to small town cops. ugh)
Anyway, before the lesions grew, I did try several things: Coconut oil with Vitamin D and Melatonin. Tea tree and Orange Oil diluted with some olive oil. Straight 3% H2O2. Straight Colloidal Silver. Aloe Vera.
I most recently tried something I read about on this board called Perrin's Blend. That stuff is what made me scream. Ouch!! To be fair, I did also use the Perrin's Blend on a few skin tags and it really got rid of them--without pain! So, *perhaps* if I could have tolerated the Perrin's Blend on the lesions and not washed it off, there is a possibility it might have helped the cancerous lesions, too. I honestly don't know.
I wish there was something that didn't hurt so badly--or I wish there was a way to numb the area so I could tolerate something like Cansema or such. Otherwise, I am out of luck.
Oh, and one more thing...you mentioned about not getting enough minerals and such from foods. I agree that is true. I followed the RBTI diet for a bit there, and I ended up leaving RBTI after abotu 3 months, for various reasons; however, one thing I've kept from the diet is the minerals.
Reams' was really big on the fact that minerals are lower in crops than in past times. And so he was huge on High-Brix gardening and also this product called Min Col. So, I take that; but again, I can't really say if it's helped or not. Maybe helped the lesions not grow more...maybe, or maybe it's my new diet, or a combination of both. Can't say for sure. But I do still take the Min Col, even though I don't follow RBTI anymore, because I do agree about lack of minerals from food today. So, you are probably onto something there.
Keep me updated, and I will keep you updated. I expect the LDN to arrive by Friday. I plan to take it at night, along with some pancreatic enzymes during the day. We shall see. <prayers going up and fingers crossed>
Wishing you wellness,
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2012 : 11:31:59
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I also take pancreatic enzymes. I was taking them just before food but recently I read it can also help to take them on an empty stomach in an attempt to get them past the stomach acids.
simple_me, you have already tried many of the most popular therapies and diets, so I hesitate to offer advice based on my limited reading. Have you ruled out candida and/or SIBO? Do you take one of the better probiotics that gets past stomach acid? Olive leaf extract pills? Neem leaf extract pills? Colostrum? Maybe I'm currently going overboard on digestive tract health, but I've recently read several scientific and clinical studies that demonstrate how healthy stomach and intestines can directly affect the skin and other distant parts of the body. Example: acne healed by probiotics.
bonder, several here have applied iodine directly to minor lesions with good success. Although I've read a little, I don't know much about taking iodine/kelp supplements. Regarding the sloughing off of skin as topical treatments progress, the outer layer of skin just keeps dying and flaking off. It's sort of like a minor burn where the burned area gradually turns flaky and falls off, revealing new skin underneath, except that in my case this happens about twice a week. The hope is that the dying and sloughing off of layers of cancerous cells will far exceed the cancer's ability to keep digging in deeper. Of course escharotics act in a different fashion.
Tom
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2012 : 12:12:17
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SIMPLEME
If you have used perrin's blend then I guess you have already seen what Lipoic acid can do....
Ingredients:
Perrin’s Blend is a natural blend of powerful antioxidants. Every ingredient in Perrin’s Blend can be purchased at a health food store and taken internally. Made with Raw Honey purchased directly from a honey farm, Grape Seed Extract, Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), Natural Vitamin E, Grape Seed Oil, Alpha Lipoic Acid and NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine).
The other interesting thing is that once again, Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is used here and it makes me wonder if acidity, oxygenation and proper bases have a certain delicate balance within the body that is adjusted by environment and food intake?
Not to be mean but, if you and your husband have a problem down south, you may have to learn a little pain management to see if the perrin's blend which seems mild in comparison to other solutions I have read about can work after a good time of application.
Perhaps it is time to learn how to (defer) pain...
Maybe hubby would be happy to apply the remedy on a regular basis each day while you give him nice kisses on the cheek or something :)
One must focus on something else and learn to breath sort of like women are told to during labor.
Far be it for me to imply I have experienced more pain than a woman in labor but, the only way I was going to gain size from pumping iron was to use what I needed for the movement and focus on something else internally to dull the sensation of pain and get through the sets each day. There is a sort of euphoria to be acquired at past the point of pain but, I don't recommend it to anyone over 30 lol... I won't look for it, I just understand that this effort might require me to endure pain once again and after shoulder dislocations, herniated discs and appendix surgery, I have some experience beyond getting ripped as a young man.
I'm not telling you to become a drunk but, if you ever have drank a bit of whiskey before in life, a shot or two at night under the covers might also be a good way for u2 to attack this pain issue. (FORGET THE MIX THO !)
You see, in my life I had to make some tough decisions like : Do I continue to be abused my drunken mother only to risk waking up on a floor somewhere with blood flowing from my tongue or, let her make her own decisions about recovering, fully well knowing that one day I would receive a call from a relative and feel for a very long time that I should have forgotten my problem and found a way to help her. I had to decide that I wasn't being liked by most people and had no clue why this could happen, I really wanted to be their friend and needed to go sit in front of a shrink about it only to learn about learned behaviors from family members that seem (normal) to us.
The (familiar) ways of life we learn become automatic as children and the only way out of it is to take an analysis of ourselves to see if we are (presenting) the way we are (perceiving) in my opinion.
The introduction of psycho-chemicals to make us feel happier is just another way of doing a simple thing like eating half a Hershey bar. Ever wonder why women usually eat so much more of it than men do each month? I tell interested women only to eat the bitter stuff...
Serotonin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate
After my task with Deep Vein Thrombosis, I had to decide how long I was willing to have rat poison inside of me and was simply told that at one point, they would suggest I stop it to see how things go.
I decided to halt it before they were planning I guess due to my study of the drug...
Things were becoming clearer to me and my decisions were leading me down the right path but, when a close relative starts to look like a cripple rather than the champion survivor that you have always known, to internalize that pain while your body is trying to fire off uncontrollable neurological outbursts due to some prior brain damage, may have reactions in other parts of your make up and then begins another battle to fight. Hopefully there is someone around to absorb some of the energy you throw off during your cries of despair. They take it because of their love for you and you for them otherwise it may be a lost wave passing from place to place and the only way to rid yourself of this is to finally drop to your knees and admit that you are not big or powerful enough and that you must be inspired by someone far superior to you or anyone else you have ever known...
For me, if I have any experience to help others, they hear it from me whether they like it or not because being (proper) only seems to cause both parties to fool themselves into thinking they have done the appropriate thing when it is the (right thing) that needs to be done. But, once I have given it, I have no business trying to ram it down someone's throat...
In my life, there was no progress without some pain so deferring or (taking) it for a while to obtain a greater good became endemic to my ways and you know what, there have been others throughout my life with limited choices that once I explained that their life was merely a (perception) of habits, schooling and some bad decision-making. They believed me when I told them that there was another viewpoint to be taken and there were short steps down what seems to be a never-ending road that they had rambling through their minds since they were programmed to learn what is right and what is wrong... never quite seeming to be able to live up to the standard...
Be well,
Bonder
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bonder
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Posted - 01/04/2012 : 12:37:12
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TOM
Gotcha, Thanx...
I keep Luvin this guy from the natural news radio lol !
Along with Boik's book, there are now lots of new links etc here.
http://canceramerican.blogspot.com
Be Well,
Bonder
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2012 : 14:32:29
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I hear ya Bonder, but I this really is beyond what I am capable of handling. I'm not much of a chocolate lover. I do love single malt scotch, but since they say cancer feeds on sugar and especially alcohol, I have avoided it for the last six years. Though, I don't think even being drunk would help with this. I would be sober in a NY minute. In fact, I might as well pour some gasoline on my privates and light a match. Cause that's what it was like.
I assure you, though: I'm not a typical women. Before I got sick, I was judo-playing, gun-loving, motorcycle riding, skydiving, plane-flying fool. I'm pretty tough. I had my son natural child birth with ZERO medications or even those block things women get these days. He ripped me wide open, and I got stitches right there with no numbing agents. I've even had dental work done without Novicane. So, I am well aware of pain deferrment. But everyone, including me, has a limit; and I've found it. This really and truly is beyond what I can personally handle. Believe me...I have tried more than once. Once I hurt myself so badly I gave myself an infection down there that landed me in the hospital for IV antibiotics. It's a delicate balance, because everyone wants to alkalize everything because they say that eliminates cancer, but vaginal pH must stay below 4.5 or you will get bad infections. Plus, if you swell too much, as a woman, you can't tinkle, which will cause serious problems, too. So, unles I can find something gentle enough, I'm done with topical.
Tom, yes, I have done plenty probiotics not only in the form of pills, but also homemade raw milk yogurts, as well as using naturally lactofermented veggies and drinks. Water kefir has a wide range of probiotics and it's really cheap and easy to brew. Quite tasty, too.
I don't know if I have ever had an overgrowth of candida, but surely all that would have knocked it out. Though, now that I have eliminated all fruit, we shall see for sure, I suppose. I agree with you that digestive health is very important. So, I will ponder that some more and re-evaluate.
I have tried Olive leaf, but not Neem or Colostrum. Will check into those. Other things I've done (It's hard to remember them all through the years, but off the top of my head:)
Kelp, Chlorella, KyoGreen, BarleyMax, IP6, Inositol, Vagpaks, Thuja, Goldenseal, Massive Vitamin C and D, just to name some.
Oh, and yes, Tom, you're right. Taking the enzymes on an empty stomach is better when trying to get at cancer. Taking with meals is good, too, but it will first help digest the food protein. So, if you need help digesting food, then take it then, too. But if not, limit it to an empty stomach. I just started mine this past week, myself.
Health wishes,
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2012 : 15:54:09
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SIMPLE ME
Well, it is obvious that you have much more experience than I do at fighting Squamous cancer and now that I have a list of things that probably won't work for me either,please do keep me informed as to what you find with your venture into Alpha Lipoic Acid taken internally ok?
So far, it seems like there are a great deal of things a person can buy to change the way they eat and the result is probably better than the guy on Supersize Me (http://www.occupyministries.com/home/trutv) but, if we put in junk, we ofter times become junk later on.
Y'know, it sort of surprises me that a woman sporting leathers and possibly riding a (p-pad) on the back of a fat boy ate so well... Most of the ones we had to throw out of the bars I worked in had Mac&Don coupons shoved deep inside their purses next to the speed pills and snorter bottles or the 3 finger bags of maryjane :) Their immune system was gone due to the chemicals ravaging what was left of their blood stream and I (heard) that they would often times get clean and sweat it all out from sweat houses or saunas. My ex-wife sported more vagi-chemicals in her overnight bag that weighed more than my KFC bucket on a Friday night... Truly a shame as to what modern science has done to convince women they need to be fresh as a daisy when they know all along that you could start a fire from the friction those thighs cause being rubbed together inside of black colored stretch pants. I agree with what Oprah once said " You have to wear dresses cuz,we need some air down there ".
Is Curaderm painful?
So, did you like speed loaders or just plain ol clips?
Be Well,
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 08:32:43
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Personally, I was a speed loader sort of guy because of my love of the bark from my 357. I can remember being taken out to a farm once with with a guy that was a marine body dragger back in Nam and being introduced to hand guns and shotguns. The guy was really great, he went in a 2nd degree black belt in Shotokan Karate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_zmL6BRCOA and was only allowed to be dropped off with a knife and M.R.E. packs. I stood there as he literally shot a blue bird out of the sky in front of me.... He used a 9 mil most of the time but, showed me the use of speed loaders and eventually a 50 cal Barret assassin's rifle. The load of that thing was the size of a roll of rolaids lol !
It was that experience that taught me boys with seizure disorders need to be treated as boys and not just patients of some Neurologist. One of my dearest friends had a teen that looked at me the 1st time he saw me during my heavy lifting days and had a hard time speaking... his mom said to me " I told him you had seizures just like him as a teen" lol....
I felt it was very important that he know most of what he was experiencing was due to the crap he ate for breakfast and the snacks he ate at night. His dad bought him a plastic weight lifting set and a bench :)
Tom,
I was wondering what your opinion was with this position ?
In looking at the destruction of cancer cells from the outside which lay within the different layers of the skin, if you want to get (deep) into the problem then, you need to attack them with full force topically assuming the problem is in an area that can handle it. Using lotions on an area usually no bigger than a dime to help sooth the area during your efforts will cause your skin to heal while you are trying to temporarily destroy...
This slows or even stops your objective because of how your body will try to heal the intruding element being brought in.
If you want to get rid of a huge mass, you need to let an element thought to destroy cancer cells be put onto the area until you reach your objective of level skin and (then) think in terms of the healing process.
The reason I bring this up is due to the product given to me by modern medicine called (Aquaphor) that does a fine job of of replenishing my skin but, during a time I am looking to see things die out in a very small area, I really was not in the mood to be seeing soft external skin while I knew there was a scavenger being protected by the 1st layer...
You are a very good contrarian with good info to back it up so, I really would like to read it. I must say that I have been sleeping much better lately for some reason.
I'd like to see this mass whither and die externally, then be able to address the strategy for the lower layers.
Be Well All,
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:20:26
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WELL MARRY ME WITHOUT A PRENUP AND CALL ME AN INTELLECTUAL...
There was a dark spot on my right finger I've had for quite a while at the knuckle that I use to apply DMSO and its GONE ! |
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bonder
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 14:16:24
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bonder, all the topical treatments I have seen go into the skin and start the process of attacking cancer cells, whether they are in the upper layers or lower layers of the skin. The escharotics are in a class of their own so I won't discuss them here. Another type of topical goes deep into the skin and directly attacks the cancer cells and kills them through some sort of chemical attack. The scientists use the phrase "mechanism of action" but that's too technical for me so I won't get into it. A third type of topical goes deep into the skin and then somehow activates the person's immune system to recognize and kill the cancer cells; this type is called an immunomodulator because it modulates some activities of the immune system. An example of a prescription version is imiquimod. Some of these third types are claimed to convert some of the cancer cells back to benign cells rather than killing them, and supposedly the result would be not as much damage or scarring. I don't know about that.
The three types are just my way of understanding them, not some scientific approach. The escharotics usually leave a crater and it may fill in over time - see photos of anivoc, or there may be a big scar. The second type, which includes most of the topicals discussed on this board, causes skin to die and flake off. In other words, if there is any healthy skin overlying the cancerous area, it too will die, although healthy skin adjacent to the cancerous area usually does not die. From what I've seen, healthy skin will gradually grow back in at the margins of the wound and there may be little if any scarring. The third type activates the immune system which results in a large inflamed swollen area that spreads to some distance from the lesion - see my photos for a classic example.
This is a long way of saying, putting on lotion probably won't make any difference in the killing and healing process because the dead cells have to come up to the surface of the skin and be shed. The lesion is gonna be messy no matter what you do. As far as I know, except for the few cells that might change back to benign, all the rest of the cells are going to die and come out through the surface of the skin. Any lotion that might interfere with that process would seem to be a hindrance.
Tom
Edit: "Some patients do experience tumor lysis syndrome, which results in what is known as Herxheimer reaction: a spell of cold chills, which can last up to 15 minutes or more. This phenomenon is caused by rising uric acid levels in the blood, as the body is detoxing from the liquefied dead tumor tissue which has entered the bloodstream. Although it is uncomfortable, it is short-lived, and is generally welcomed as evidence of the treatment hitting the target. " |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:41:27
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Tom
I liked these....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2150399
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/702805
looks like there are some interesting "immunostimulants" and patent efforts out there and "Apoptosis" Rears it's head once again...
"Immune stimulators are of great value in the treatment of Cancer conditions, Hepatitis B, HI and in other immunity breakdown situations commonly associated with the bacterial and viral diseases.
Anticancer drugs generally inhibit the cell proliferation and bring about the apoptosis of the cancerous cells. Combination of anticancer drugs with the Immunostimulatory drugs such as IMS-6 in the present invention is of added advantage due to the surge in proinflammatory cytokine TNF-#945; which hastens the process of apoptosis of the flagged cancerous cells. Further, enhanced non-specific immune response under the influence of the immune potentiators will lead to the increased macrophage activity thereby hastening the process of phagocytosis of the apoptosed cells and help in clearing the debris. The immunostimulant, IMS-6 may be given as adjuvant dose ranging from 250 mg to 500 mg in the form of syrup, tablet, capsule etc. in cancer patients along with prescribed anticancer drugs for the above immunostimulatory benefits."
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7507424.html
Not Exactly "Immunomodulator" but, caught my eye...
Thanx Again...
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 22:19:40
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THE "DUMBING DOWN" OF AMERICA
Y'know,after watching KILLER FLOURIDE EXPOSED and PHARMABURGER I have to wonder what I will really be able to eat or drink in 5 years??? http://canceramerican.blogspot.com SHEESH !!
Be Well,
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2012 : 09:14:27
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Tom,
Boik says " I want to be clear I am not suggesting that patients
self-medicate, nor am I suggesting natural compounds
be used in lieu of beneficial conventional treatments
when they are available. In fact, in some instances the
best use of natural compounds will probably be as adjuncts
to conventional treatments.
The problem with that as I see it, is what Gwen Olsen says is coming from Big Pharma and the doctors being manipulated into changing remedies based upon what they think their corporate supervisors and Big Pharma would like...
It is incumbent upon everyone reading these discussions to email them to all family and friends in order to re-educate everyone about what we have been told by public schools, government and Big Business. Unless we take it upon ourselves to adapt the "occupy mentality" now, Skull And Bones http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Skull_Bones.htm will be moving us into the colony of lab rats that they have been engineering since Nathan Hale first began.
At first I thought it was just The Bush oil kingdoms being advanced through government offices but now I can see that within the last few decades, we are being herded into canisters to swim around with other little organisms while modern medicine writes prescriptions that change people from what they were to what makes Big Pharma the most money.
Gwen Olsen describes things happening to her and one of her relatives that highly resembles what happened to me as a kid in the late 60's... the idea that physicians today would still label patients with mental disorders befitting a plan to keep chemicals flowing into the bodies of men,women and children is a disgusting moral atrocity and I guess it is time to speak to some of dad's old government buddies whose retirement agreements have already been started. I feel a class action wave starting to form and although this is a forum for natural cancer treatments, I would sure appreciate anyone telling me about circumstances where they feel they or a loved one was shoved into a drug regimen that not only did nothing for the patient but, changed them for the worse with no other explanation besides the timing of the ingestion of the pills. It may very well be time for physicians to think about what would happen if people only went to hospitals for emergencies and looked into their cupboards to deal with most other things?
And my recent move into clergy work might just be the portal in which to reach the center of influences needed...
Be Well,
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2012 : 17:27:51
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The Pathogenesis of Squamous Cell Cancer
http://ccr.cancer.gov/staff/staff.asp?profileid=13709
Reads like Jabberwocky to me, this is what I mean by not being able to follow the technicalities of "mechanism of action." About all I can get from this is that cytoplasmic CLIC4 "loss in tumor epithelium or increase in tumor stroma constitutes a powerful marker for tumor progression and poor prognosis." In other words, I'd be searching for CLIC4 in each scientific or clinical study paper in order to see whether they are testing anything that influences CLIC4, like herbs, chemicals etc.
bonder, I don't spend much time anymore on conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, Big Cancer .gov, or Big Charities .org because it's like talking politics, you never accomplish anything or change anyone's mind. Something I think might help is a trend towards Translational Research:
Quote:
American Society of Clinical Oncologists (ASCO) with a link to a document titled, "Accelerating Progress Against Cancer - ASCO's Blueprint for Transforming Clinical and Translational Research." A link to the document is at the bottom of this blog entry. Within this document, the word PANOMICS is used to refer to, "the combination of genes, proteins, molecular pathways, and unique patient characteristics which together drive the disease [cancer]." This document far exceeded my expectations as to deep thinking and actually does provide a roadmap for winning the war on cancer. It should be a must read for everyone in the cancer field - clinicians, researchers, and administrators. It's easy to read and short, but puts forth three simple guiding strategies.
http://connection.asco.org/magazine/article/id/3099/asco-issues-blueprint-for-transforming-cancer-research-in-the-molecular-era.aspx
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Dr. Yu, who is also a member of ASCO's board of directors, said we've entered an era of personalized medicine where complex molecular information identifies specific cancer-causing mutations that will increasingly characterize each patient. In that world, researchers will find that each cancer likely results from a complex interaction of mutations and molecular pathways and not just one mutation. These mutations affect a variety of processes such as how a drug is handled, how it's metabolized, how it's activated, whether there is drug resistance, and how the tumor cell responds to treatment. http://www.techweb.com/news/232200424/cancer-researchers-call-for-ehr-standards.html
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 00:47:04
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TOM,
I'll definitely take a look at these last offerings for sure. I'm trying to digest Boik's book from online and to be quite honest, seems like I find myself thinking jabberwocky but for me I'm pretty sure it is more of a lack of knowledge than for you lol...
The problem most people have with going up against these titans of power is that they think it would cost them a fortune they don't have and would be going to court with mega-lawyers with too much power to lose.
I sat back one day while my dad's best friend started a lawsuit against the IRS in order to help him while he was sick.
Rather than get into a big tussle, the IRS realized there are certain things you just can't do to Americans no matter who you are and they changed their position shortly thereafter. So, while it is true that (most) of the time, the average person can not do much, if you have the right person with the right knowledge things can change and we are now living in a time where children are not going to have things better than their parents which has not happened for over 40 years here.
So, the timing is right and government will be up to their armpits in lawsuits and research into Wall St. If you have a couple hours, rent (margin call) with Kevin Spacey to get a vague idea as to what American corporations have done and are being looked into about. Big Pharma should be a little nervous now that Fluoride is actually being taken out of some public water systems and people won't eat at Chinese restaurants still using MSG. So, while it is true that I function with more mediocre ability than most, given enough time I can break through the B.S. that is being presented because of what I have experienced and survived. I am convinced that cancer brings in way too much money for modern medicine to cure themselves but, now with other countries looking into it with our natural experts here, we should soon be seeing changes if only because share holders of hospitals are seeing that chemo is not being used as much anymore.
After looking at the link for Dr. Yu, I thought I'd Give you this to ponder when wondering if there is a less confusing way to address things with DMSO. It looks like a person could use this protocol basically not allowing the cancer cells to have much else to feed on for a specific time period and then because of the nature of DMSO, it would vacate your system.
"This protocol takes twelve hours each day, but don't worry, it is a simple and easy protocol. It will not interfere with your day's activity very much at all." http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD03.html
If DMSO is really what people are saying it is, then many more people will be jumping on the band wagon if only to avoid the high costs of cancer therapies requiring big money for pills and such.
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 02:58:31
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bonder, I looked into MMS a while back and decided it does not have enough evidence supporting it and I believe there is a distinct possibility it may be snake oil. Just my opinion. MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement)
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 08:48:48
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TOM,
I think you are probably right but, I guess I was more interested in the protocol with the idea of offering cancer cells little else to (drink) for a specific period of time.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0yUYOz62wk) The sad thing to understand here is that the FDA allows Warfarin for both rat poison AND blood-thinning in humans. so, I guess I am not afraid of a bit of strong chemicals in my system for a shorter period of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin
I made a decision to discontinue the use of the stuff in my body a bit before the docs would have liked but, every time I went into my sink cupboard and saw the D-con box next to my dishwasher soap, I sort of felt like a lab rat.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1005122004799
But, it is understandable that with the right dosage, anything can be used for multi-purposes these days and most people would rather have thinner blood for a while risking anti-coagulation if they get into a car accident than to leaving a clot in their blood vessel.
So, it does come down to choices and I look at alternatives because sadly, I don't trust the FDA to make the safe choices for me any longer. The makers of Cansema needed to rename and relocate the place where they make the Hoxey formula and there are people on this very site who swear to it's authenticity for their tragic health issues.
Each of us needs to become a hearty researcher before we make some choices, thank the Lord for the internet so we can benefit from others experience...
Be Well,
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 11:58:40
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bonder, the idea of offering cancer cells little else to (drink) for a specific period of time is intriguing, if what is meant by that is each cancer cell is induced to absorb whatever killer chemical is being used to destroy those cells. Chemo and most of the other poisons function that way, by either creating an alteration of the cancer cell wall or by actually transporting within the cancer cell. The question becomes, name your poison.
Drinking dilute DMSO and dilute sodium chlorite appears to be a pretty risky way of getting the poisons into the bloodstream and eventually to the cancer cells. If you could get over the risk, continuously dosing over a 12 hour time sounds appealing in one way, because you could get the experience over and done with very quickly. But I cannot recall any nonprescription protocol that has successfully used this continuous poisoning technique. Instead what I have read that works over a longer time frame is to consume herbs or other natural substances like Paw paw twig extract that seem to poison the cancer cells. And don't forget taking pancreatic enzymes trypsin and chymotripsin which travel through the bloodstream to the cancer cells and digest the protein coating each cancer cell has exuded as a means of disguising itself from the immune system.
Then there is applying it directly to the skin cancer. I like this topicalinfo.org forum because it seems like people on here have tried everything under the sun. MMS-DMSO topically: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=718 Notice that they speculate the more effective ingredient in MMS might be the citric acid. There are posts all over the site about using citrus oil containing citric acid and vitamin C topically. Orange oil stings pretty bad. My current paste formula of DMSO, crushed buffered vitamin C tablet, vodka, and powdered alpha lipoic acid is based on the experiences of people here. It stings a little for about 10 minutes. Not sure yet of its overall effectiveness, but it seems to be working. If I could get my hands on it I would use petty spurge instead.
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 14:21:08
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TOM,
These days you can't turn around to buy a food or drink that does not seem to have (sugar) in it so for the heck of it I looked up vodka just to see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka I guess I better think about buying a more clinical form of alcohol if I ever was it to go in one of my cocktails LOL!
The reason I say this is due to the fact that if I decide to test this protocol I'll never be able to cut down on my meat due to keeping the seizures down via an adapted form of the (ketogenic diet)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet
Red meat although reported to have lead to many other issues has kept me both full and with enough proteins for the day and the diet is somewhat kosher in nature. If there is any sugar or wheat chemicals still left in vodka after the processing, I'm not the guy that will have any room left to toy with due to the fact that I am probably already diluting this protocol way down due to things I must have daily in order to function...
But, along the lines of this protocol, I am going to switch most of my snacks to grapefruits and see if anything noteworthy happens due to the fact that (my) application of DMSO will be Transdermal and direct to begin with.
I'm thinking grapefruits are a better choice internally than oranges due to a lower glycemic index
http://www.livestrong.com/article/322077-how-much-citric-acid-is-in-a-grapefruit/
http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index.htm
http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index-fruit/orange-juice-gi.htm
http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index-fruit/grapefruit-gi.htm
THE DMSO AND VITAMIN C PROTOCOL
The Big Picture of This Treatment
This treatment will be taken twice a day.
The morning dose will only include Vitamin C. Remember to take VERY LITTLE glucose during this treatment!!
The evening treatment will include two phases.
In the evening, Phase One will be 1 TEAspoon of DMSO, taken orally or transdermally or some combination thereof.
Phase Two of the evening dose should follow Phase One by 10 minutes and will consist of 5 grams of vitamin C taken orally in water.
The Morning Dose - Vitamin C Only
The morning dose, which should be taken about twelve hours before the evening dose, should contain 5 grams of vitamin C. Fifteen percent or less (or whatever your potassium vendor tells you) should be a form of potassium carbonate (or some other potassium version of Vitamin C). The other eighty-five percent should contain zero potassium Vitamin C and as little sodium Vitamin C as possible.
The Evening Dose (DMSO and Vitamin C): Phase One: Taking the DMSO
The DMSO used in this protocol should be at least 99% pure DMSO mixed with 30% water. In other words, you should buy "70/30" DMSO, which means 70% pure DMSO and 30% water. Here is one of many vendors:
DMSO 70/30 Vendor
The amount of DMSO taken during this treatment is so low that normally it can be taken orally if it is mixed with 4 ounces of water. However, if for any reason the DMSO cannot be taken orally it can be spread over the skin (such as the arms, legs or stomach) and taken transdermally (through the skin).
The DMSO should be put in a glass of water before taking it orally. The glass of water should have at least 4 ounces of water in it!!
The Evening Dose: Here are More Details for the Use of DMSO
1a - DMSO Orally) If you are taking the DMSO orally, put 4 ounces of a quality bottled water in a glass. Then put ONE TEAspoon of DMSO in the water. Drink the water (and thus the DMSO).
Because the DMSO may cause stomach irritation, you may want to build up to the theraputic dose of DMSO. For example, you might use the following build-up:
Day 1 - Evening) Use 1/4 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
Day 2 - Evening) Use 1/2 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
Day 3 - Evening) Use 3/4 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
Day 4 - Evening) Use 1 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
Day 5 - Evening) Continue using the 1 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water.
1b - DMSO Transdermally) If you are taking the DMSO transdermally (through the skin), put ONE TEAspoon of DMSO on your arms, legs or stomach (as close to the cancer as possible). Spread the DMSO very thin (i.e. over a wide area of skin). Ten minutes after spreading the DMSO on the skin, and AFTER the DMSO has penetrated the skin (and the skin is dry), you can put a skin cream on where you rubbed the DMSO to prevent a rash.
The Evening Dose: Phase Two: Taking the Vitamin C
The evening dose, which should be taken about ten minutes after taking the DMSO, should contain 5 grams of vitamin C. Fifteen percent or less (or whatever your potassium vendor tells you) should be a form of potassium carbonate (or some other potassium version of Vitamin C). The other eighty-five percent should contain no potassium Vitamin C and as little sodium Vitamin C as possible. (Of course, the vitamin C may be pre-mixed).
Here is one highly recommended potassium vitamin C vendor (Fifteen percent or LESS of the Vitamin C should be a potassium version unless your vendor of potassium ascorbate tells you differently):
Excellent Buffered Vitamin C Product
One rounded teaspoon contains 4 grams of absorbic acid and 700 mg of potassium ascorbate. It also has zero mg of sodium (which is ideal). The ideal product will have potassium ascorbate without sodium ascorbate, but with other forms of Vitamin C.
As with all vitamin C products, keep this product out of the reach of children!! It can be very dangerous if very high doses are taken.
IMPORTANT WARNING - SWELLING AND INFLAMMATION
If you have a type of cancer which could lead to a dangerous situation if swelling and inflammation resulted from this treatment, SLOWLY build up the dose of Vitamin C!!!
For example, you might use the following build-up (for both morning and evening):
Day 1) Use 1/4 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
Day 2) Use 1/2 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
Day 3) Use 3/4 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
Day 4) Use 1 level TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
Day 5) Start the full treatment at full doses
If you experience any potentially dangerous swelling or inflammation during any of the days, DISCONTINUE THIS TREATMENT.
The Cancer Diet
Any time you use a protocol which is designed to kill microbes it is very, very critical to avoid eating foods and drinks which feed or excite the microbes. This includes cancer because cancer is a microbial disease.
An acidic diet of foods and drinks will make this protocol less effective because microbes will breed much faster and be more aggressive in the presence of an acidic diet. In other words, the microbes will breed faster than you can kill them!! This includes the microbes which are inside the cancer cells.
What this means is that without a solid "cancer diet" there is no way this cancer protocol, or any other cancer protocol, is going to be effective!! The "cancer diet" is also the number one way to stop the spreading of cancer!!
An alkaline diet includes, among other things:
1) ZERO sugar,
2) ZERO white flour,
3) ZERO soda pops (even diet soda pops are forbidden),
4) ZERO meat,
5) ZERO dairy products (except cottage cheese during the Budwig Diet),
and so on.
After eliminating all the foods that feed or excite microbes, what is left over is basically whole foods, non-sugar fruit and vegetable drinks and other healthy foods and drinks.
Also, for this protocol, pay extra attention to avoiding anything with sugar, glucose, etc. in it (you do not have to worry about whole foods). Remember this is not only an alkaline diet but also a low-glucose diet.
See this article (you may need to modify this diet to avoid glucose not in whole foods):
SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS PROTOCOL?
Be Well,
Bonder
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 17:20:55
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bonder, many protocols recommend mega doses of Vitamin C so I use it every day. I also eat an orange nearly every day, partly because I live between two orange-growing centers and get the best.
Which C have you chosen? I find this a little confusing: "The Vitamin C [VERY Important!!]
There are several different types of vitamin C. The most common type of vitmain C is ascorbic acid, which is not bound to a mineral. This type of vitamin C is largely useless until it has bound to minerals already in the body.
The ideal vitamin C product will have both ascorbic acid, no more than 15% potassium ascorbate or potassium carbonate and other forms of mineral ascorbates or carbonates or other forms of Vitamin C.
Since sodium is generally found outside of cells and potassium is generally found inside of cells, to get vitamin C inside of cells it is best to use a potassium ascorbate. However, for safety reasons, most of the Vitamin C cannot be a potassium version of Vitamin C (talk to your vendor). If you can avoid sodium ascorbate and use some other non-potassium form of Vitamin C (e.g. ascorbic acid) use it.
Some buffered vitamin C products have ascorbic acid and several different kinds of mineral ascorbates or carbonates (e.g. zinc carbonate). This is good, but it may be necessary to add some potassium ascorbate to get the percentage of potassium up to 15% (or whatever maximum your potassium vendor tells you). Include as little sodium ascorbate as possible."
Another point: meat looks like an issue for you. Have you figured out just how little meat you can get by on? If you watch the movie "Dying to Have Known" they spend much of the movie explaining why excess animal protein is a cancer red flag. And I already mentioned the proteolytic enzymes.
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bonder
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Posted - 01/09/2012 : 07:23:00
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TOM,
That paragraph set me back a bit myself, (glad I was not the only one :) It seems like it does not, then it does recommend ascorbic acid. I'll be trying it first.
I liked the documentary, its at the bottom of canceramerican (a little over an hour). http://canceramerican.blogspot.com/
I'll have to be taking a really hard look into meat and dairy,I'm just not sure I can be buying nuts etc. for my proteins but, with all of our genetically modified foods typically found in our local grocery a person really has to wonder???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food
I never was much for KFC but, someone took me there not long ago and when I looked at the size of the chicken breast meat I thought to myself (WOW this is BIGGER than when I was in school, KFC must have their own chicken farms now or something).
Not true, just genetically altered by scientists (and now flu-resistant !) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12181382
Many farmers I have known had to sell their land and go to work for huge corporations in order to keep their trade of generations and not have to move...
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/09/2012 : 13:41:35
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bonder, I did a search on "Vitamin C" mineral ascorbates powder
and there are plenty of products that seem to fit the bill.
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bonder
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Posted - 01/09/2012 : 15:51:46
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TOM,
Ok great... for me it is sort of a toss up between continuing singular use of the DMSO or having the DMSO become a (carrier) for another cancer-fighting element like Resveratrol. (There seems to be low down-side to using it).
"The compound found in the skins of red grapes (resveratrol) is being studied to see how it affects the development and progression of heart disease and cancer.
Resveratrol is found in 70 different plants, including mulberries and peanuts, but grapes and grape products are the richest source. All wines have some resveratrol, but the highest concentration is in red wine. (Jang M, et al. Cancer chemopreventive activity of resveratrol, a natural product derived from grapes. Science 1997;275(5297):218-20.) Resveratrol was discovered after hundreds of tests in search of anti-cancer compounds. The compound has been tested only in cell cultures and laboratory animals. In an 18-week study of mice, doses of resveratrol reduced the number of skin tumors by up to 98 percent compared with skin cancers on control mice.
It occurs in the vines, roots, seeds, and stalks, but its highest concentration is in the skin, which contains 50-100 micrograms (µg) per gram. Resveratrol is a phytoalexin, a class of antibiotic compounds produced as a part of a plant's defense system against disease.
Resveratrol is being studied to see how it affects the initiation, promotion, and progression of cancer. With regard to tumor initiation, it has been shown to act as an antioxidant by inhibiting free radical formation, and as an anti-mutagen in rat models. Resveratrol appears to decrease tumor promotion activity by inhibiting cyclooxygenase-1 (COX-1), an enzyme that converts arachidonic acid to pro-inflammatory substances that stimulate tumor-cell growth. Studies related to progression have found that resveratrol induced human promyelocytic leukemia cell differentiation and inhibited ribonucleotide reductase, an enzyme needed for DNA synthesis in proliferating cells. One appealing characteristic of resveratrol's anti-cancer potential is its minimal toxicity to blood-forming cells. More studies using both cellular and animal models are needed before any such data would be applicable to human use.
The similarity in structure between resveratrol and diethylstilbestrol (a synthetic estrogen) has prompted investigations into resveratrol's potential as a phytoestrogen (a plant compound that produces estrogen-like effects). However, these properties also stimulate the growth of human breast cancer cells. This finding seems contrary to its other anticancer activities, and is a cause for concern.
Fresh, preserved, and dried grapes are used in the form of liquid extracts, tinctures, gargles, enemas, douches, and compresses. Grape skins are used to make wine. Grape seed extract and resveratrol are available in tablets and capsule supplements. The dosages vary depending on the manufacturer. Because there havent been any clinical studies, the optimal therapeutic dosage hasnt been established for resveratrol. Based on animal studies, a reasonable therapeutic dosage of resveratrol might be about 500 mg daily.
The complete grape diet begins with a period of fasting and eating only grapes for 1 or 2 weeks. Then, fresh fruits and sour milk can also be consumed. The next stage of the diet includes raw vegetables, salads, nuts, dairy products, honey, and olive oil. During the final stage of the diet, if a person is doing well, they may be given one cooked meal per day.
An exclusive grape diet is unhealthy and does not supply the body with adequate amounts of protein and important nutrients, such as vitamin B 12. Grape seed extract is believed to be safe, but additional research is needed for confirmation.
The amount of resveratrol in red wine varies greatly, and increased consumption of wine to increase resveratrol intake poses certain health risks. Alcohol is associated with increased risks of cancers of the mouth, esophagus, pharynx, larynx, and liver in both men and women, and of breast cancer in women. Cancer risk also increases with the amount of alcohol consumed. However, the cardiovascular and the anticarcinogenic benefits of moderate drinking may outweigh the risk of cancer in men over age 50 and in women over age 60."
Be Well,
Bonder
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bonder
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Posted - 01/11/2012 : 08:53:27
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Boy, I am so glad I did not have any children to face these elitists and their money funding fluoridation,psychotropic drugs for our water supply and vaccination contaminations that Dr Blaylock lectures about sheesh....
http://canceramerican.blogspot.com
Be Well,
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 11:23:14
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TOM,
I'm taking a breath about which protocol I use here due to what I've recently found out about brain interactivity due to my ailment.
I don't know if you have looked at much of Russell Blaylock's findings, I looked at a few of his things a while ago but, recently I was so intrigued that I put a few of his videos onto americandisablement.
http://www.americandisablement.com/home/disabled-american-policy/inferior-genes-and-eugenics
Here is his website with links&published papers including the nutritional cancer findings.
http://russellblaylockmd.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Blaylock
I feel sorry for all the people that were sterilized here in the USA years ago in order to save all of us from their inferior genes...
It would appear that the current methodology is to trim our society via the water system and the chemicals in the food known to cause brain dysfunction and violence currently exhibited in certain segments of our society.
The fact that fluoride has no proven benefit against tooth decay is truly one reason that everyone really needs to check into what they put into their body these days regardless of what any govt authority says...
The 48 min video is unbelievable !!
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 15:36:31
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| bonder, I watched the 48 minute video. He has me back in line to again drastically reduce my sugar consumption and all white foods. |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 17:42:05
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TOM,
Yeah, well I figured you were a smart cookie :)
My processed sugar involvement has been pretty small compared to most around me due to a need to watch my intake in order to keep my neurology stable but, its just that for the heck of it, I went into my cupboard to try and find (anything) canned without sugar on the label and no such luck...
I mean, even a well-respected wild rice soup has it for cryin out loud!
Its hard for me to recall all of the different types of chemicals he refers to from one viewing but,he speaks a lot like Gwen Olsen did in recalling her days as a pharma-rep years ago...
I walked around the medical community in order to be able to live a somewhat normal lifestyle since a teen and made it my personal business to avoid (all) vaccinations and just keep a pretty sensible diet.
As a guy with light skin and blue eyes, my guess is being in Florida all that time was just a bit too much for my face and I found myself not being able to cook while I was there either.
Well, one thing is for sure, if anyone I know is taking any of those SSRI depression pills like those (killer kids),I'll be showing that video to them and ask "why not just take a sugar pill like the placebo they used in the study of it? it basically does the same thing at a prescribed level".
That bit about hypoglycemia,aggression and psychotic behavior does not surprise me, most of the guys I worked with years ago ate and drank like a nine-year-old at a birthday party most of the time and then of course they were heavy drinkers too.
Making the decision to eat a grapefruit every morning is going to cost me about 30 bucks more per month but, I guess I'd rather know what I'm getting daily from a natural food rather than try to supplement it into me.
For me, I walk a fine line now in seeing what happens to my brain being able to use the natural glucose for energy rather than the fatty acids from my liver turned into keytones. The thing is, anything I read about for cancer therapy speaks of higher vitamin C and to be quite honest, I really want to make sure my immune system gets back up to snuff quite soon.
Truly a shame that 75% of all prisoners started out hyperactive as kids, probably due to the amount of cup cakes or ding dongs they ate !
Be Well,
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 01/14/2012 : 21:24:59
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| bonder, I saw a lady MD talking about preventing cancer and she said each good thing you do is synergistic, not additive, meaning they will multiply each other and protect you if you just do more good stuff and avoid as much bad stuff as possible. |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/15/2012 : 12:37:12
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TOM,
I've always liked synergism as a strategy but, we must be aware of what we are up against in reality...
canceramerican has the broccoli cancer-killer story with a German link along with HDAC inhibitor.
Be Well,
Bonder |
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 09:45:12
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TOM,
This is a drug therapy that I was unaware of that may coincide with a natural perspective...
"Personalized drug therapy uses biological indicators, or “biomarkers” – such as DNA sequences or the presence or absence of drug receptors – as an indicator of how patients should be treated, as well as to estimate the likelihood that the intervention will be effective. This concept is not new: it has been known for decades, for example, that people who have a genetic deficiency of an enzyme called G6PD can experience severe and precipitous anemia if they are exposed to certain drugs.
Similarly, ethnic groups and individuals vary widely in their ability to clear medications from the bloodstream, owing to differences in the activity of the enzymes that metabolize, or degrade, drugs. That is important because low metabolizers clear certain drugs slowly and have more medication in their systems for longer periods of time than high metabolizers. Thus, the former might be prone to overdose, and the latter to insufficient levels of the same drug.
Prognostic biomarkers have begun to make a big difference in cancer therapy. Drugs such as Erbitux and Vectibix work only in tumors containing the normal version of a gene called KRAS. If mutations of KRAS are present, the drugs are ineffective.
Such mutations explain about 30-40% of cases in which patients fail to respond to these drugs, and mutations in another gene called BRAF could account for another 12%. Knowing this crucial information about a cancer patient’s genes will reduce sharply the number who are unnecessarily subjected to the side effects (and expense) of drugs that will not work."
SO,
This being the case, am I to assume that it is our DNA structure which will dictate the usage of (natural) products without the artificial supplementation as well?
If this is true then, it would be smart for most to be tested for this sort of thing before he or she goes onto a specific protocol regardless of it's basis natural or not...
It would seem to me that this might prevent a lot of people from throwing darts at a board in order to see which one lands in the center.
My guess is, that people would need to ask health professionals what to test for (which biomarkers or receptors).
Any info about this from your experiences?
Here is the place I received this and go to often for economic news because Nouriel Roubini offers input.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/miller14/English
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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bonder
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 17:59:25
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Tom,
He sure can... and hopefully the fact that I brought it out here might spark a few minds towards telling their doctors what to look for lol !
Also, today I looked into cannabinoid elements and am starting to wonder if Cannabinoid receptor type 2 is a less-risky way to apply some goop if you can find a legal vendor? On one of the other threads here, there is a guy with a video about the usage.
"CB2 receptors are predominantly found in the immune system, or immune-derived cells[5] with the greatest density in the spleen. While found only in the peripheral nervous system, a report does indicate that CB2 is expressed by a subpopulation of microglia in the human cerebellum .[6] CB2 receptors appear to be responsible for the anti-inflammatory and possibly other therapeutic effects of cannabis."
Here is what I kept for future reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/lymphoma-cancer/144970-cannabinoid-receptor-mediated-apoptoses-mantle-cell-lymphoma.html
Could you imagine, rubbing a bunch of weed goop on your face and it actually goes in to kill cancer cells?
APOPTOSIS !!
Well, I'd like to know if you have any opinions on this stuff or, do you still think DMSO is the best way to go?
Be Well,
Bonder
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celtchic
Canada
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 22:54:06
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This is Dave Triplett's new video ... it's fairly similar to the original one but he states here that it took about a month for the effects of the cannabis to kick in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcY90UoPAo
Because of Dave and MANY others that I have spoken to who used hash oil as a treatment/cure for cancer of all kinds, this is what I'm currently using for a bcc on my nose.
I was using inferior oil from one of the dispensaries here on the coast which was ineffective. I got lucky though and found a doctor in Toronto who knows where to get good oil and especially knows about dosing and other issues that might come up.
I am on my 3rd vial of 10 grams. It's an expensive treatment if you don't grow your own ... otherwise, it's worth it ... no scars, no pain. My progress has been slow but it's definitely working. I'm just starting my third month and by the looks of things--it will be my last. |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 00:21:09
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celtchic (and bonder), That's the rub, where you live determines what laws you break. Or not.
celtchic, when you have confirmed how to identify good oil, where to obtain it, and the best dosing, please start a new thread here on cannabis oil. I've seen some of the videos and didn't know who to believe. Brand name or pharmacy source would help. I live in California but even so, I don't know about doctors in the States who would prescribe and know dosing. Your knowledge would be invaluable.
Thanks for posting.
Good luck, Tom
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bonder
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 01:45:02
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Celtchic
I saw the triplett video thanx !
That one and another from the PHD Melamede about cannabinoids (40 mins) are both on canceramerican.blogspot.com
I'd like to read about getting at least a tincture from a Canadian source if possible.
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celtchic
Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 20:17:56
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Bonder & Tom,
Dr. Melamede has a website FILLED with information on the use of cannabis for SO many ailments. The last time I was on the site, I noticed 'cannabisscience' was producing and distributing their own oil. Dr. Melamede is one of the pioneers in this field and has more expertise than most in the medical community (he's the bald guy in the tee shirt in Dave's video).
This is the site: http://www.cannabisscience.com/
I emailed them to try and get my hands on this stuff but did not hear back and in the meantime found the naturopath in Toronto who cured my nephew's close friend of her brain tumours (yes, plural). He also has a special interest in oncology and has had good success with both carcinomas and melanoma.
I can legally have enough cannabis for my own personal use with a card I applied for from Health Canada. One can also legally grow (a certain amount) here with the appropriate license ... I don't have a growers license but plan to apply for one. I think getting oil in the states would be the same process. If you are in California, you could just call a marijuana dispensary and ask ... that's what I did.
The science of the use of medical marijuana (along with it's CBD and THC count, extraction of chlorophyll etc.) escapes me since I work in the ARTS and am hopeless at all things logical. That being said, they have determined that the higher the CBD count in the appropriate strain (which would be an INDICA strain), the more effective the treatment is. You must ingest the oil as well, so you want to keep the psychoactive effects (found in the SATIVA strain) to a minimum.
I really don't know if this product can clear the border. You might want to try an American source first (like Dr. Melamede in Colorado). If you don't have any luck I can look into whether or not you can order from here.
Thanks for your interest in this ... please let me know how you make out or if there's any other information I can provide.
Cheers,
Celtie
I like this quote:
“Major scientific breakthroughs go through three stages: first
they are ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally they are
accepted for being self-evident all along. “ 
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 20:25:20
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celtchic, thanks for all the info. I'll keep in touch.
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bonder
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 11:04:13
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THE ONLY REASON LEFT TO BE PROUD OF BEING AMERICAN....
Sorry to be off subject but, congress is trying to kill the 99 percent online so, google and wikipedia are now revolting along with occupy
google.com
wikiperdia.com
http://owsjobsearch.blogspot.com
The wiki interview is on canceramerican.
Goog God Almighty...
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bonder
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 14:25:04
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Celtchic,
If anyone here has a few extra bucks they would spend on pull tabs this weekend, tell'em to go get a TDameritrade acct instead.
Cannabis science is trading around a nickel and the volume is in the millions ...
Everything is a risk but, just think if we could help them pay their bills this year what they might do...
This is a stock you just forget about for a quarter then look again hoping it didn't lose value but,
boy I'd sure like to see the pills come out and help a bunch of folks....
Holymolely Batman !
Links at the bottom of canceramerican (It Has A Weedwire Now)
CBIC.OB
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Never Buy At The Opening In The A.M. Morning Until 45 Mins Goes by....
LOOKS LIKE SCIENCE MIGHT BE WAKING UP !
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celtchic
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 19:27:47
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"Everything is a risk but, just think if we could help them pay their bills this year what they might do..."
Bonder,
This is great information AND a way to help cannabis science with their research...MAYBE SCIENCE IS WAKING UP.
MANY THANKS!
CBIC.OB
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Jan 4, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 7,756,902
Jan 3, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 8,714,812
Dec 30, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 10,549,304
Dec 29, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 31,067,508
Dec 19, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 4,427,521
Dec 8, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 1,148,454
Dec 7, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 1,187,302
Dec 6, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.02 2,902,985
Dec 5, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,291,662
Dec 2, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,077,004
Dec 1, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 505,115
Nov 30, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 580,591
Nov 29, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 477,720
Nov 28, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 835,197
Nov 25, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 361,680
Nov 23, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 0
Nov 22, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 739,746
Nov 21, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,612,612
Nov 18, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 874,518
Nov 17, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 645,019
Nov 16, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,566,831
Nov 15, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 960,787
Never Buy At The Opening In The A.M. Morning Until 45 Mins Goes by....
LOOKS LIKE SCIENCE MIGHT BE WAKING UP !
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2012 : 00:12:08
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celtchic,
My mistake in the symbol: (CBIS) NOT (CBIC)
(CBIS)(OTC)
OVER THE COUNTER (OTC) The point of interests here is if this stock wants to get into the (NASDAQ) IT WILL HAVE TO REACH A BUCK AND STAY THERE FOR AWHILE...
Nice ROI for the regular people if the backers feel it should go to a buck soon :)
These penny stocks wander around all over so, that is why I said just take pull tab money and use it,look at it every once in a while.
If this (RSO) thing is for real in Canada, we might have a winner here...
Be Well,
Bonder
(CBIS)
Jan 18, 2012 0.06 0.07 0.05 0.05 41,742,570
Jan 17, 2012 0.04 0.07 0.04 0.06 60,747,876
Jan 13, 2012 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.04 0
Jan 12, 2012 0.03 0.03 0.03 0.03 10,508,320
Jan 11, 2012 0.03 0.03 0.03 0.03 23,956,541
Jan 10, 2012 0.02 0.03 0.02 0.03 39,737,754
Jan 9, 2012 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,622,686
Jan 6, 2012 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 20,331,948
Jan 5, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 11,523,500
Jan 4, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 7,756,902
Jan 3, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 8,714,812
Dec 30, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 10,549,304
Dec 29, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 31,067,508
Dec 19, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 4,427,521
Dec 8, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 1,148,454
Dec 7, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 1,187,302
Dec 6, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.02 2,902,985
Dec 5, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,291,662
Dec 2, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,077,004
Dec 1, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 505,115
Nov 30, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 580,591
Nov 29, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 477,720
Nov 28, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 835,197
Nov 25, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 361,680
Nov 23, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 0
Nov 22, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 739,746
Nov 21, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,612,612
Nov 18, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 874,518
Nov 17, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 645,019
Nov 16, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,566,831
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Thomas Haugen
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2012 : 02:29:23
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bonder & simple_me, I'd been reading here and there about ingesting some form of the ingredients in black salve, mostly that it is dangerous and not much about it being efficacious. Now I've happened across a study on sanguinarine killing squamous cells. It's not a human study but may be worth following up.
Sanguinarine is a quaternary ammonium salt from the group of benzylisoquinoline alkaloids. It is extracted from some plants, including bloodroot (Sanguinaria canadensis)...
Sanguinarine is a toxin that kills animal cells through its action on the Na+-K+-ATPase transmembrane protein.[2]
Epidemic dropsy is a disease that results from ingesting sanguinarine.[3]
If applied to the skin, sanguinarine kills cells and may destroy tissue. In turn, the bleeding wound may produce a massive scab, called an Eschar. For this reason, sanguinarine is termed an escharotic. (Wiki)
Differential Antiproliferative and Apoptotic Response of Sanguinarine for Cancer Cells versus Normal Cells
The search for novel anticancer drugs continues. Agents that can eliminate the cancerous cells via a programmed cell death but do not affect the normal cells may have a therapeutic advantage for the elimination of cancer cells. In the present study, we provide evidence that sanguinarine is a potential antiproliferative agent that can be developed as a potential agent for skin cancer.
At present, only a few agents are known to possess the potential for selective/preferential elimination of cancer cells without affecting the normal cells (2 , 3) . This study provides the first evidence that sanguinarine, at micromolar concentrations, imparts a cell growth-inhibitory response in human squamous carcinoma (A431) cells via an induction of apoptosis.
Because apoptosis is a discrete manner of cell death that differs from necrotic cell death and is regarded as an ideal way to eliminate damaged cells, agents that can modulate apoptosis may be used for the management and therapy of cancer by modulating the steady-state cell population.
http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/6/4/1524.full#ABS
I suppose the trick is to not kill yourself with dropsy while ingesting enough so it works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_dropsy |
Edited by - Thomas Haugen on 01/19/2012 02:34:17 |
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bonder
USA
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2012 : 09:05:48
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TOM,
Thanx for the info,THAT WILL BE THE TRICK LOL !
I'll be looking into it for sure...
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bonder
USA
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celtchic
Canada
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THIS IS NOT FAIR TO US...
