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bonder
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 Posted - 01/09/2012 : 07:23:00
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TOM,
That paragraph set me back a bit myself, (glad I was not the only one :) It seems like it does not, then it does recommend ascorbic acid. I'll be trying it first.
I liked the documentary, its at the bottom of canceramerican (a little over an hour). http://canceramerican.blogspot.com/
I'll have to be taking a really hard look into meat and dairy,I'm just not sure I can be buying nuts etc. for my proteins but, with all of our genetically modified foods typically found in our local grocery a person really has to wonder???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food
I never was much for KFC but, someone took me there not long ago and when I looked at the size of the chicken breast meat I thought to myself (WOW this is BIGGER than when I was in school, KFC must have their own chicken farms now or something).
Not true, just genetically altered by scientists (and now flu-resistant !) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12181382
Many farmers I have known had to sell their land and go to work for huge corporations in order to keep their trade of generations and not have to move...
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/09/2012 : 13:41:35
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bonder, I did a search on "Vitamin C" mineral ascorbates powder
and there are plenty of products that seem to fit the bill.
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bonder
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Posted - 01/09/2012 : 15:51:46
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TOM,
Ok great... for me it is sort of a toss up between continuing singular use of the DMSO or having the DMSO become a (carrier) for another cancer-fighting element like Resveratrol. (There seems to be low down-side to using it).
"The compound found in the skins of red grapes (resveratrol) is being studied to see how it affects the development and progression of heart disease and cancer.
Resveratrol is found in 70 different plants, including mulberries and peanuts, but grapes and grape products are the richest source. All wines have some resveratrol, but the highest concentration is in red wine. (Jang M, et al. Cancer chemopreventive activity of resveratrol, a natural product derived from grapes. Science 1997;275(5297):218-20.) Resveratrol was discovered after hundreds of tests in search of anti-cancer compounds. The compound has been tested only in cell cultures and laboratory animals. In an 18-week study of mice, doses of resveratrol reduced the number of skin tumors by up to 98 percent compared with skin cancers on control mice.
It occurs in the vines, roots, seeds, and stalks, but its highest concentration is in the skin, which contains 50-100 micrograms (µg) per gram. Resveratrol is a phytoalexin, a class of antibiotic compounds produced as a part of a plant's defense system against disease.
Resveratrol is being studied to see how it affects the initiation, promotion, and progression of cancer. With regard to tumor initiation, it has been shown to act as an antioxidant by inhibiting free radical formation, and as an anti-mutagen in rat models. Resveratrol appears to decrease tumor promotion activity by inhibiting cyclooxygenase-1 (COX-1), an enzyme that converts arachidonic acid to pro-inflammatory substances that stimulate tumor-cell growth. Studies related to progression have found that resveratrol induced human promyelocytic leukemia cell differentiation and inhibited ribonucleotide reductase, an enzyme needed for DNA synthesis in proliferating cells. One appealing characteristic of resveratrol's anti-cancer potential is its minimal toxicity to blood-forming cells. More studies using both cellular and animal models are needed before any such data would be applicable to human use.
The similarity in structure between resveratrol and diethylstilbestrol (a synthetic estrogen) has prompted investigations into resveratrol's potential as a phytoestrogen (a plant compound that produces estrogen-like effects). However, these properties also stimulate the growth of human breast cancer cells. This finding seems contrary to its other anticancer activities, and is a cause for concern.
Fresh, preserved, and dried grapes are used in the form of liquid extracts, tinctures, gargles, enemas, douches, and compresses. Grape skins are used to make wine. Grape seed extract and resveratrol are available in tablets and capsule supplements. The dosages vary depending on the manufacturer. Because there havent been any clinical studies, the optimal therapeutic dosage hasnt been established for resveratrol. Based on animal studies, a reasonable therapeutic dosage of resveratrol might be about 500 mg daily.
The complete grape diet begins with a period of fasting and eating only grapes for 1 or 2 weeks. Then, fresh fruits and sour milk can also be consumed. The next stage of the diet includes raw vegetables, salads, nuts, dairy products, honey, and olive oil. During the final stage of the diet, if a person is doing well, they may be given one cooked meal per day.
An exclusive grape diet is unhealthy and does not supply the body with adequate amounts of protein and important nutrients, such as vitamin B 12. Grape seed extract is believed to be safe, but additional research is needed for confirmation.
The amount of resveratrol in red wine varies greatly, and increased consumption of wine to increase resveratrol intake poses certain health risks. Alcohol is associated with increased risks of cancers of the mouth, esophagus, pharynx, larynx, and liver in both men and women, and of breast cancer in women. Cancer risk also increases with the amount of alcohol consumed. However, the cardiovascular and the anticarcinogenic benefits of moderate drinking may outweigh the risk of cancer in men over age 50 and in women over age 60."
Be Well,
Bonder
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bonder
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Posted - 01/11/2012 : 08:53:27
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Boy, I am so glad I did not have any children to face these elitists and their money funding fluoridation,psychotropic drugs for our water supply and vaccination contaminations that Dr Blaylock lectures about sheesh....
http://canceramerican.blogspot.com
Be Well,
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bonder
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 11:23:14
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TOM,
I'm taking a breath about which protocol I use here due to what I've recently found out about brain interactivity due to my ailment.
I don't know if you have looked at much of Russell Blaylock's findings, I looked at a few of his things a while ago but, recently I was so intrigued that I put a few of his videos onto americandisablement.
http://www.americandisablement.com/home/disabled-american-policy/inferior-genes-and-eugenics
Here is his website with links&published papers including the nutritional cancer findings.
http://russellblaylockmd.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Blaylock
I feel sorry for all the people that were sterilized here in the USA years ago in order to save all of us from their inferior genes...
It would appear that the current methodology is to trim our society via the water system and the chemicals in the food known to cause brain dysfunction and violence currently exhibited in certain segments of our society.
The fact that fluoride has no proven benefit against tooth decay is truly one reason that everyone really needs to check into what they put into their body these days regardless of what any govt authority says...
The 48 min video is unbelievable !!
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 15:36:31
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bonder
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Posted - 01/12/2012 : 17:42:05
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TOM,
Yeah, well I figured you were a smart cookie :)
My processed sugar involvement has been pretty small compared to most around me due to a need to watch my intake in order to keep my neurology stable but, its just that for the heck of it, I went into my cupboard to try and find (anything) canned without sugar on the label and no such luck...
I mean, even a well-respected wild rice soup has it for cryin out loud!
Its hard for me to recall all of the different types of chemicals he refers to from one viewing but,he speaks a lot like Gwen Olsen did in recalling her days as a pharma-rep years ago...
I walked around the medical community in order to be able to live a somewhat normal lifestyle since a teen and made it my personal business to avoid (all) vaccinations and just keep a pretty sensible diet.
As a guy with light skin and blue eyes, my guess is being in Florida all that time was just a bit too much for my face and I found myself not being able to cook while I was there either.
Well, one thing is for sure, if anyone I know is taking any of those SSRI depression pills like those (killer kids),I'll be showing that video to them and ask "why not just take a sugar pill like the placebo they used in the study of it? it basically does the same thing at a prescribed level".
That bit about hypoglycemia,aggression and psychotic behavior does not surprise me, most of the guys I worked with years ago ate and drank like a nine-year-old at a birthday party most of the time and then of course they were heavy drinkers too.
Making the decision to eat a grapefruit every morning is going to cost me about 30 bucks more per month but, I guess I'd rather know what I'm getting daily from a natural food rather than try to supplement it into me.
For me, I walk a fine line now in seeing what happens to my brain being able to use the natural glucose for energy rather than the fatty acids from my liver turned into keytones. The thing is, anything I read about for cancer therapy speaks of higher vitamin C and to be quite honest, I really want to make sure my immune system gets back up to snuff quite soon.
Truly a shame that 75% of all prisoners started out hyperactive as kids, probably due to the amount of cup cakes or ding dongs they ate !
Be Well,
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bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/14/2012 : 21:24:59
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| bonder, I saw a lady MD talking about preventing cancer and she said each good thing you do is synergistic, not additive, meaning they will multiply each other and protect you if you just do more good stuff and avoid as much bad stuff as possible. |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/15/2012 : 12:37:12
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TOM,
I've always liked synergism as a strategy but, we must be aware of what we are up against in reality...
canceramerican has the broccoli cancer-killer story with a German link along with HDAC inhibitor.
Be Well,
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bonder
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 09:45:12
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TOM,
This is a drug therapy that I was unaware of that may coincide with a natural perspective...
"Personalized drug therapy uses biological indicators, or “biomarkers” – such as DNA sequences or the presence or absence of drug receptors – as an indicator of how patients should be treated, as well as to estimate the likelihood that the intervention will be effective. This concept is not new: it has been known for decades, for example, that people who have a genetic deficiency of an enzyme called G6PD can experience severe and precipitous anemia if they are exposed to certain drugs.
Similarly, ethnic groups and individuals vary widely in their ability to clear medications from the bloodstream, owing to differences in the activity of the enzymes that metabolize, or degrade, drugs. That is important because low metabolizers clear certain drugs slowly and have more medication in their systems for longer periods of time than high metabolizers. Thus, the former might be prone to overdose, and the latter to insufficient levels of the same drug.
Prognostic biomarkers have begun to make a big difference in cancer therapy. Drugs such as Erbitux and Vectibix work only in tumors containing the normal version of a gene called KRAS. If mutations of KRAS are present, the drugs are ineffective.
Such mutations explain about 30-40% of cases in which patients fail to respond to these drugs, and mutations in another gene called BRAF could account for another 12%. Knowing this crucial information about a cancer patient’s genes will reduce sharply the number who are unnecessarily subjected to the side effects (and expense) of drugs that will not work."
SO,
This being the case, am I to assume that it is our DNA structure which will dictate the usage of (natural) products without the artificial supplementation as well?
If this is true then, it would be smart for most to be tested for this sort of thing before he or she goes onto a specific protocol regardless of it's basis natural or not...
It would seem to me that this might prevent a lot of people from throwing darts at a board in order to see which one lands in the center.
My guess is, that people would need to ask health professionals what to test for (which biomarkers or receptors).
Any info about this from your experiences?
Here is the place I received this and go to often for economic news because Nouriel Roubini offers input.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/miller14/English
Be Well,
Bonder
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Thomas Haugen
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bonder
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 17:59:25
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Tom,
He sure can... and hopefully the fact that I brought it out here might spark a few minds towards telling their doctors what to look for lol !
Also, today I looked into cannabinoid elements and am starting to wonder if Cannabinoid receptor type 2 is a less-risky way to apply some goop if you can find a legal vendor? On one of the other threads here, there is a guy with a video about the usage.
"CB2 receptors are predominantly found in the immune system, or immune-derived cells[5] with the greatest density in the spleen. While found only in the peripheral nervous system, a report does indicate that CB2 is expressed by a subpopulation of microglia in the human cerebellum .[6] CB2 receptors appear to be responsible for the anti-inflammatory and possibly other therapeutic effects of cannabis."
Here is what I kept for future reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/lymphoma-cancer/144970-cannabinoid-receptor-mediated-apoptoses-mantle-cell-lymphoma.html
Could you imagine, rubbing a bunch of weed goop on your face and it actually goes in to kill cancer cells?
APOPTOSIS !!
Well, I'd like to know if you have any opinions on this stuff or, do you still think DMSO is the best way to go?
Be Well,
Bonder
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celtchic
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Posted - 01/16/2012 : 22:54:06
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This is Dave Triplett's new video ... it's fairly similar to the original one but he states here that it took about a month for the effects of the cannabis to kick in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcY90UoPAo
Because of Dave and MANY others that I have spoken to who used hash oil as a treatment/cure for cancer of all kinds, this is what I'm currently using for a bcc on my nose.
I was using inferior oil from one of the dispensaries here on the coast which was ineffective. I got lucky though and found a doctor in Toronto who knows where to get good oil and especially knows about dosing and other issues that might come up.
I am on my 3rd vial of 10 grams. It's an expensive treatment if you don't grow your own ... otherwise, it's worth it ... no scars, no pain. My progress has been slow but it's definitely working. I'm just starting my third month and by the looks of things--it will be my last. |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 00:21:09
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celtchic (and bonder), That's the rub, where you live determines what laws you break. Or not.
celtchic, when you have confirmed how to identify good oil, where to obtain it, and the best dosing, please start a new thread here on cannabis oil. I've seen some of the videos and didn't know who to believe. Brand name or pharmacy source would help. I live in California but even so, I don't know about doctors in the States who would prescribe and know dosing. Your knowledge would be invaluable.
Thanks for posting.
Good luck, Tom
Edit: celtchic, I just found your thread Plan C. Please keep us posted in that thread, we need your knowledge. |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 01:45:02
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Celtchic
I saw the triplett video thanx !
That one and another from the PHD Melamede about cannabinoids (40 mins) are both on canceramerican.blogspot.com
I'd like to read about getting at least a tincture from a Canadian source if possible.
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celtchic
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 20:17:56
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Bonder & Tom,
Dr. Melamede has a website FILLED with information on the use of cannabis for SO many ailments. The last time I was on the site, I noticed 'cannabisscience' was producing and distributing their own oil. Dr. Melamede is one of the pioneers in this field and has more expertise than most in the medical community (he's the bald guy in the tee shirt in Dave's video).
This is the site: http://www.cannabisscience.com/
I emailed them to try and get my hands on this stuff but did not hear back and in the meantime found the naturopath in Toronto who cured my nephew's close friend of her brain tumours (yes, plural). He also has a special interest in oncology and has had good success with both carcinomas and melanoma.
I can legally have enough cannabis for my own personal use with a card I applied for from Health Canada. One can also legally grow (a certain amount) here with the appropriate license ... I don't have a growers license but plan to apply for one. I think getting oil in the states would be the same process. If you are in California, you could just call a marijuana dispensary and ask ... that's what I did.
The science of the use of medical marijuana (along with it's CBD and THC count, extraction of chlorophyll etc.) escapes me since I work in the ARTS and am hopeless at all things logical. That being said, they have determined that the higher the CBD count in the appropriate strain (which would be an INDICA strain), the more effective the treatment is. You must ingest the oil as well, so you want to keep the psychoactive effects (found in the SATIVA strain) to a minimum.
I really don't know if this product can clear the border. You might want to try an American source first (like Dr. Melamede in Colorado). If you don't have any luck I can look into whether or not you can order from here.
Thanks for your interest in this ... please let me know how you make out or if there's any other information I can provide.
Cheers,
Celtie
I like this quote:
“Major scientific breakthroughs go through three stages: first
they are ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally they are
accepted for being self-evident all along. “ 
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/17/2012 : 20:25:20
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celtchic, thanks for all the info. I'll keep in touch.
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bonder
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2012 : 11:04:13
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THE ONLY REASON LEFT TO BE PROUD OF BEING AMERICAN....
Sorry to be off subject but, congress is trying to kill the 99 percent online so, google and wikipedia are now revolting along with occupy
google.com
wikiperdia.com
http://owsjobsearch.blogspot.com
The wiki interview is on canceramerican.
Goog God Almighty...
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bonder
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2012 : 14:25:04
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Celtchic,
If anyone here has a few extra bucks they would spend on pull tabs this weekend, tell'em to go get a TDameritrade acct instead.
Cannabis science is trading around a nickel and the volume is in the millions ...
Everything is a risk but, just think if we could help them pay their bills this year what they might do...
This is a stock you just forget about for a quarter then look again hoping it didn't lose value but,
boy I'd sure like to see the pills come out and help a bunch of folks....
Holymolely Batman !
Links at the bottom of canceramerican (It Has A Weedwire Now)
CBIC.OB
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Jan 13, 2012 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.04 0
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Jan 11, 2012 0.03 0.03 0.03 0.03 23,956,541
Jan 10, 2012 0.02 0.03 0.02 0.03 39,737,754
Jan 9, 2012 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,622,686
Jan 6, 2012 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 20,331,948
Jan 5, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 11,523,500
Jan 4, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 7,756,902
Jan 3, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 8,714,812
Dec 30, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 10,549,304
Dec 29, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 31,067,508
Dec 19, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 4,427,521
Dec 8, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 1,148,454
Dec 7, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 1,187,302
Dec 6, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.02 2,902,985
Dec 5, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,291,662
Dec 2, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,077,004
Dec 1, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 505,115
Nov 30, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 580,591
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Nov 28, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 835,197
Nov 25, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 361,680
Nov 23, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 0
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Nov 18, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 874,518
Nov 17, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 645,019
Nov 16, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,566,831
Nov 15, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 960,787
Never Buy At The Opening In The A.M. Morning Until 45 Mins Goes by....
LOOKS LIKE SCIENCE MIGHT BE WAKING UP !
Be Well,
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celtchic
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 19:27:47
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"Everything is a risk but, just think if we could help them pay their bills this year what they might do..."
Bonder,
This is great information AND a way to help cannabis science with their research...MAYBE SCIENCE IS WAKING UP.
MANY THANKS!
CBIC.OB
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Dec 6, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.02 2,902,985
Dec 5, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,291,662
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Nov 29, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 477,720
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Nov 17, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 645,019
Nov 16, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,566,831
Nov 15, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 960,787
Never Buy At The Opening In The A.M. Morning Until 45 Mins Goes by....
LOOKS LIKE SCIENCE MIGHT BE WAKING UP !
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bonder
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 00:12:08
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celtchic,
My mistake in the symbol: (CBIS) NOT (CBIC)
(CBIS)(OTC)
OVER THE COUNTER (OTC) The point of interests here is if this stock wants to get into the (NASDAQ) IT WILL HAVE TO REACH A BUCK AND STAY THERE FOR AWHILE...
Nice ROI for the regular people if the backers feel it should go to a buck soon :)
These penny stocks wander around all over so, that is why I said just take pull tab money and use it,look at it every once in a while.
If this (RSO) thing is for real in Canada, we might have a winner here...
Be Well,
Bonder
(CBIS)
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Jan 11, 2012 0.03 0.03 0.03 0.03 23,956,541
Jan 10, 2012 0.02 0.03 0.02 0.03 39,737,754
Jan 9, 2012 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,622,686
Jan 6, 2012 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 20,331,948
Jan 5, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 11,523,500
Jan 4, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 7,756,902
Jan 3, 2012 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 8,714,812
Dec 30, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 10,549,304
Dec 29, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 31,067,508
Dec 19, 2011 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 4,427,521
Dec 8, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.01 1,148,454
Dec 7, 2011 0.01 0.02 0.01 0.02 1,187,302
Dec 6, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.02 2,902,985
Dec 5, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,291,662
Dec 2, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 12,077,004
Dec 1, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 505,115
Nov 30, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 580,591
Nov 29, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 477,720
Nov 28, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 835,197
Nov 25, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 361,680
Nov 23, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 0
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Nov 18, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 874,518
Nov 17, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 645,019
Nov 16, 2011 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 1,566,831
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 02:29:23
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bonder & simple_me, I'd been reading here and there about ingesting some form of the ingredients in black salve, mostly that it is dangerous and not much about it being efficacious. Now I've happened across a study on sanguinarine killing squamous cells. It's not a human study but may be worth following up.
Sanguinarine is a quaternary ammonium salt from the group of benzylisoquinoline alkaloids. It is extracted from some plants, including bloodroot (Sanguinaria canadensis)...
Sanguinarine is a toxin that kills animal cells through its action on the Na+-K+-ATPase transmembrane protein.[2]
Epidemic dropsy is a disease that results from ingesting sanguinarine.[3]
If applied to the skin, sanguinarine kills cells and may destroy tissue. In turn, the bleeding wound may produce a massive scab, called an Eschar. For this reason, sanguinarine is termed an escharotic. (Wiki)
Differential Antiproliferative and Apoptotic Response of Sanguinarine for Cancer Cells versus Normal Cells
The search for novel anticancer drugs continues. Agents that can eliminate the cancerous cells via a programmed cell death but do not affect the normal cells may have a therapeutic advantage for the elimination of cancer cells. In the present study, we provide evidence that sanguinarine is a potential antiproliferative agent that can be developed as a potential agent for skin cancer.
At present, only a few agents are known to possess the potential for selective/preferential elimination of cancer cells without affecting the normal cells (2 , 3) . This study provides the first evidence that sanguinarine, at micromolar concentrations, imparts a cell growth-inhibitory response in human squamous carcinoma (A431) cells via an induction of apoptosis.
Because apoptosis is a discrete manner of cell death that differs from necrotic cell death and is regarded as an ideal way to eliminate damaged cells, agents that can modulate apoptosis may be used for the management and therapy of cancer by modulating the steady-state cell population.
http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/6/4/1524.full#ABS
I suppose the trick is to not kill yourself with dropsy while ingesting enough so it works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_dropsy |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 09:05:48
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TOM,
Thanx for the info,THAT WILL BE THE TRICK LOL !
I'll be looking into it for sure...
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bonder
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celtchic
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gbp
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Posted - 01/22/2012 : 17:11:28
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Why do we keep going over the same ground over and over again.There is so much rubbish written about different treatments that simply don't work.
As far as natural applications for the treatment of Basal cell carcinomas (BCC) and Squamous cell carcinomas (SCC) there is only one that has undergone proper clinical trials and provided
effective results - PETTY SPURGE SAP.
My wife who is a registered nurse, treated two BCC on my face with liquid nitrogen.A couple of years later they came back with a vengeance.I applied Petty Spurge sap to the one on my forehead and one on the side of my nose, once a day for six days.I have photos of the treatment along the way.The result after 3 weeks, complete CURE.
The administrator of this blog kindly allowed me to advertise that I had did have limited quantities of pure Petty Spurge sap available in 1 ml.vials on an ongoing basis for those wishing to acquire some.
Let me assure you I sure am not going to get rich selling Petty Spurge sap and if you don't believe the results of the clinical trials - and from users on this forum, than all I can say is - I wish you well. |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/22/2012 : 17:33:20
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| gbp, we're with you. At least for BCCs and actinic keratoses. I'm in the US, can't get stuff timely from you, bonder and simple_me have SCCs, no proof I'm aware of that petty spurge is appropriate. |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/23/2012 : 12:12:43
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GBP,
I'd be glad to see some pics of progressive healing from you for sure...
So far I've only seen the face of a female using petty spurge.
Funny, I thought it was pretty well agreed that petty spurge (and bloodroot) have had obvious positive effects?
Maybe the news hasn't gone down under yet :)
Be Well,
Bonder
Tom,
lotsa stuff about medmaryjane on canceramerican ! |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/23/2012 : 14:10:50
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Most of the tests results with Petty Spurge (Euphorbia Peplus) address "non-melanoma skin cancers." This term is understood to comprise both BCC and SCC. Here's some very recent tests done in AUS by the British Association of Dermatologists which break down the effectiveness rate of PS against SCC and BCC: 75% and 82% respectively. So its slightly less effective against SCC but that's still a better rate than you'll get with many things in the slash-and-burn category at the derm's office. The authors of the test also make the point that 43% of these were lesions that had already failed to respond to mainstream treatment, plus many were in the head and neck and > 2 cm in size, thus also considered to be very resistant cases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21375515 |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 01/23/2012 : 14:43:03
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| waverider, thanks for the info. I've been following PEP005 through the clinical trials, but the trials are not on SCC. Are any companies in AUS selling PS in a non-prescription product? Can't find any in USA, and that's unusual - normally the market would be flooded with guys marketing little tubes for big bucks. |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/23/2012 : 14:43:41
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GBP:
Yours is an important post because so many people who might benefit from this are put off, I think, by the time, effort and uncertainty of having to grow their own. It's hard to tell someone who just got a positive test result from a dermatologist and is now being stampeded into Mohs that they should wait 6 weeks or so for a plant to sprout in a pot out on the patio. After having excellent results on both head and nose BCC -- large and small, respectively -- I've toyed with the idea of doing what you're doing as well and still may experiment with it -- not for commercial purposes, either. Can you share anything about how you extract the sap? Have you looked into what sort of preservation is required; i.e., does it lose potency in storage and/or transport? Does it need to be refrigerated? I don't know if I should be in the position of actually wishing for a little speck of BCC to experiment with, but I have thought that if I should get another uprising, I will do so by trying some extracted sap that I've stored in the 'frig first, then comparing it to fresh-squeezed variety. As everyone knows who's used it, by the third day or so you can tell if the PS you've got is potent by the reaction it usually wreaks on the skin cancer. It would be an interesting test. |
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gbp
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 02:58:11
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Waverider
Thanks for feedback, it seems to me that there is an abundance of "snake oil" remedies being trotted about by people with nothing better to do with their time then writing a load of bull****.Vitamin C, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda,eggplant,vinegar, blah, blah, blah, and not one has passed any scrutiny under clinical trial conditions - except PETTY SPURGE.
I find it hard to believe that there are still people grizzling about treatments that don't work.For heavens sake the cure results of the PETTY SPURGE clinical trials were nothing short of outstanding.
I will try to answer some of your questions as I find the answers.
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bonder
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 16:49:37
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GBP
Still hoping to see your marvellous. Pics
I would imagine a fellow so convinced that the only answer we have is sitting in his living room would be more aggressive in offering the proof.
Be well
Bonder
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gbp
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 17:46:03
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Bonder
I was not the one bleating about remedies that do not work, the answer seems to quite simple - you believe what you want to believe and i'll trust what worked for me and the other subjects in the clinical trials. |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 21:44:34
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Gbp
I would like to bring to your attention the fact that rarely do people believe someone that basically say the only game in or out of town is coincidently what they are selling...
So even if I had a product to sell I would do it with what seemed an open mind.
I mean even bookies offer more than one choice eventhough they know most of their clients will lose each year. So based upon what has been shown on this site and several others with actual pictures regardless of arranged double blind studies of our dear FDA here we can see results with more than just one sort of treatment...
Its one thing to believe in your product but quite another to tell others they are not telling the truth about what worked for them.
The cannabis science website celtchic left for a link above here has interesting pics indeed....
Have a look around GBP there is a lot to be seen out there
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celtchic
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 22:14:55
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quote:
Originally posted by gbp
Waverider
Thanks for feedback, it seems to me that there is an abundance of "snake oil" remedies being trotted about by people with nothing better to do with their time then writing a load of bull****.Vitamin C, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda,eggplant,vinegar, blah, blah, blah, and not one has passed any scrutiny under clinical trial conditions - except PETTY SPURGE.
I find it hard to believe that there are still people grizzling about treatments that don't work.For heavens sake the cure results of the PETTY SPURGE clinical trials were nothing short of outstanding.
I will try to answer some of your questions as I find the answers.
GBP - With all due respect, you are wrong ... there are many trials going on regarding the medicinal use of cannabis. I'll post the links below if you're interested -- but somehow I think you're not. I would never say that hash oil will work for everyone but the doctor I am dealing with has said he’s had a 75-80% cure rate with ALL cancers (including melanoma). Those odds aren’t too bad.
You are also wrong about about PS being a 'one size fits all' cure. Nothing is. What I have learned since my diagnosis is that there are many different kinds of skin cancer ... what works for one person may not work for the next ... as evidenced by the person(s) who cured their lesions with cayenne pepper/honey and the hydrogen peroxide treatment (which is recommended by some dermatologists and a therapy used in many clinics -- as well as IV Vitamin C therapy for cancer, I might add). IMHO, I really don’t think that people with cancer have the time or energy to spew a bunch of 'rubbish' on blog sites.
All we have is hope and the best we can do is try and share it … not sell it.
FYI - Research on marijuana's medical potential, though slow, could soon yield prescription options:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/research-marijuanas-medical-potential-though-slow-could-soon-161057392.html
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/medical/story/2012-01-22/Pot-based-prescription-drug-looks-for-FDA-OK/52745646/1
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/220716/
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gbp
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Posted - 01/26/2012 : 03:30:31
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celtchic &
bonder - If you believe that marijuana will work for you, than all I can add is - I wish you all the best. |
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bonder
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Posted - 01/26/2012 : 07:38:30
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GBP
I think you missunderstand...
We welcome ALL remedies here and are very interested in seeing the results with your pics!
An old American cowboy I once knew used to say..
"Don 't Whiz On My Boots And Tell Me Its Raining...
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bonder
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bonder
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Posted - 01/26/2012 : 09:09:09
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OOPS forgot this REUTERS :)
best link for new info...
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/CBIS.OB/key-developments
This being the case, some folks must agree with CNBC as maryjane becoming quite the new industry and that usually means eventually BIG PHARMA I am sad to say...
Be well,
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bonder
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bonder
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Posted - 02/28/2012 : 13:57:38
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Here's a way to pay for that topical treatment celtchic.
Most OTC stocks like this at least go to a buck or so just to get onto the regular market.
CBIS is up 7 cents to around .17 or .18 after announcements like this...
http://www.citiadr.idmanagedsolutions.com/news/global_story.idms?type=scrolling&ID_NEWS=223532376
One hundred bucks would turn into something quite nice at an etrade or tdameritrade shop.
Looks like big pharma is making way for cannabis therapy like the newscasters said last year.
Be Well Always,
Bonder
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bonder
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 19:14:51
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Bonder, what treatment regimen are you using recently?
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bonder
186 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 00:16:26
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Hey Tom whats SHAKIN !!!!
To answer your question, after seeing how fast the brown stain on my skin from the Iodine tincture went away, I decided to work from the inside out.
After studying more about Max Gerson I bought a juicer to get the phytochemical thing going strong in my system and am loading up on carrots,broccoli,beets and grapefruit. Most of my success in being the only man I know of with 2 forms of Epilepsy that played football, has rock climbed,scuba dived and been a heartless jerk to way too many women in his younger years while not taking any medications came from a strict adherence to what was basically a Kosher diet. It was with the (ketogenic) module as a basis.
Also, I recently decided to give the chinese eggplant/apple cider vinegar goop a try after just seeing a halting from the external 50/50 orange crystals and DMSO applications.
It seems to me that either the alkalinity or absorption of moisture is what was resulting in the flaking off of the primary layer of skin and allowing some scabbing to occur but, at this point there is no way for me to determine if any apoptosis is actually occuring which in my estimation, is the best attack method for this cancer. In my opinion even as an amateur it is the body's ability to recognize the proper signals to cease replication and breaking through the blood barrier that needs to happen in order for any agent to call itself a cure all by itself. However, it seems that there needs to be a level playing field inside ourselves and that (raw fruit and vegetable) juicing and using supplements like fish oil vitamin C etc. is the quickest way to get there. I must say that on the days I rub DMSO on my face I feel a heck of a lot keener with my wits which is important to a guy that had 3 blood clots in his lung that stopped air from getting to his head.
THERE IS ONE THING FOR SURE....
It will be a cannabinoid protocol probably from a higher CBD strain of the plant that will be what will give me the faith for a total cure and what will help my seizure disorder at the same time.
I live sort of close to Canada and may be able to get a neurologist to prescribe, we will see...
Anything new on your end?
Be Well Always,
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bonder
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 12:13:48
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Tom, I found a wonderful piece on cell death that you may not have seen before...
Fatty acids and neurotransmitters raise an eyebrow for me always but, I am now pondering cellular re-uptake which has been dormant in my memory for some time now.
The anti-tumor effect of AEA and apoptosis lingo is truly remarkable.
The link is right above the naturopathic vitamin banner.
(Ever since I decided to follow the experiences of this site, I have put what I find with video on the blog for everyone to see).
It is my best way of remembering things these days and I have a background in film&video.
Tell me what you think?
Be well always,
Bonder
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THIS IS NOT FAIR TO US...
