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dan

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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  23:20:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did it work? Was it painful?

The orange oil skin cancer home remedy is described in detail at http://www.topicalinfo.org/Topical.htm which includes photos of healing progress over 1 month. The remedy is to apply orange peel oil which contains a compound called d-limonene. In animal studies, d-limonene has beeen identified as a very effective treatment for a wide variety of cancers. It also has cancer chemoprevention properties.

Inexpensive orange oil cleaning products such as Citrisolve are available in supermarkets. Food grade and even organically certified orange oil products are available in health food stores.

The topical orange oil remedy involves some temporary burning pain that lasts for about 25 minutes after applying. The pain diminishes over time with healing and can be used as a gauge of healing progress. Orange oil is a good candidate to include with other skin cancer topical treatments because of its natural ability to penetrate.

anivoc

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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  20:09:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nope but I'm gonna.. I will report back

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fforest

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Posted - 06/24/2007 :  03:49:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be nice if we could get all the orange oil info on this thread Dan has a good start here...

I have been using the orange oil for about 2 weeks..Not every day because I find it a bit unpleasent...It can really sting like mad for 10 minutes but the pain dies down quickly...

The main thing I see it doing is the orange oil seem to dry out skin cancer not so much kill it on the spot like sunspot or other things do...Orange oil seems to clean and dry the cancer out to death..

The orange oil penetrate the skin like a dream come true really better than any thing else..

I have found it lacking a bit in the fire power needed to finish the job...I think its going to work,it feels like its going to work,all the lights are green but I am not sure its going to get the job done..Maybe I need to apply it more often I am not sure..

To wrap this up I almost have good things to say about orange oil but I can say for sure if this is really good or not???

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fforest

103 Posts

Posted - 06/24/2007 :  10:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a thought...
You might consider using the orange oil and covering with the tape also. I believe the one thing that is important no matter what topical you are using is to not let the treated area dry out after treating it ..my thought on this is that this allows a small amount of scar tissue to develop which in turn weakens the effectiveness of the topical treatment Anivoc
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I found the orange oil (NOW brand organic) and tried it on the remaining keratosis and it had no effect whatsoever. No stinging, no reaction at all. I tried it only two or three times but figured since this isn't a skin cancer, it just would not work. I did order some Sunspot ES from Vitacost and will try this, but since the Curaderm didn't work, I don't have much hope for this either.
Mary

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Thank Forest, this is a very useful warning. Was the bloodroot pain continuous 24/7? When I used orange oil, it hurt on a pain scale at about a 6-8 out of 10 but only for twenty five minutes after applying. This sounds more painful. Dan

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Right now the areas are slowly shrinking. I am applying the cymilium at least 3x a day.
The ammonia smell is kind of off-putting since the area is close to my nose.
I haven't noticed any darkening of the areas - just red/pink skin where the lump
used to be and the lump is white. I am rubbing orange oil followed by
quercetin in the evenings. Sometimes I can use my fingernail to peel a bit
off of the areas. The orange oil seems to hve the most profound effect at
drying the area out and causing it to peel. I may try the supraclens method JT1
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I think the orange oil was a huge success for me. I used it on different big sections (chest, scalp, face, neck, and back) of skin over several months (one at a time). It did not hurt so bad that I was afraid of using it, and I valued the feedback the stinging gave. When I first started with the topical pancreatin, I wished there was some type of "skin cancer meter" to check whether I was making any progress. To me, orange oil is that meter (and a treatment too).

At first, if there were skin anomalies (cancer, AK?), the stinging pain started after about a minute. After a week or two the pain started after several minutes and became duller as well. I imagined this was because it first attacked the skin cancer nearer to the surface. Later, only the deeper skin still had cancer, hence the delay. One of he nice attributes of orange oil is its ability to penetrate skin deeply. In any case, the pain subsided like clockwork after about 25 minutes. Eventually, I could apply it to the previously affected areas with no pain.

One thing I did not like was the orange smell. It's not a bad smell, but it was hard to be discrete. Orange oil also inflamed the affected areas, even areas which I had no idea were problem areas before. At first I wondered if I was allegic to the orange oil. But I could apply it to other skin areas and not have any reaction at all.

I think it is important to incorporate several rest days after several treatment days to provide a balance of killing cancer cells and healing. Some of the previously treated areas came back after a few months but were rather easily "mopped up" with a second round of orange oil.

I used several products straight out of the bottle once or twice a day including Ecover Natural Citrus Cleaner, NOW Orange Oil (weaker), and Organic Orange TKO Cleaner (my favorite). These products cost around $10 a bottle. To do a simple experiment, one could try squeezing the oil from an organically grown orange peel directly onto the skin.

Try orange oil topically at your own risk. So far no one has confirmed that orange oil works for skin cancer, so please tell us about your experiences if you do try it. Dan

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Grouppe Kurosawa has a informative writeup on topical ibuprofen at http://painrelief.grouppekurosawa.com Although they have been advocating the use of topical ibuprophen for years on cancers, it is NOT advised in their latest cancer protocol at http://cancerprotocol.grouppekurosawa.com

For pain relief, topical ibuprofen still sounds like a good plan. They also mention combining with DMSO or orange oil to increase the penetration into the skin as grabec has suggested. Dan
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Has anyone tried mixing Sunspot with DMSO or orange oil to get it to penetrate deeper? Just a thought. Dan


I have tried DMSO and sunspot with inconclusive results..I am using sunspot and orange oil with good results will write more about orange oil later after more use... Fforest

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Edited by - fforest on 06/24/2007 11:10:18
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dan

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Posted - 06/25/2007 :  00:53:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks fforest, I think it was helpful to gather the scattered posts in the forum into one thread. Regarding your present experience with orange oil, I'm very excited to see how it turns out. What product are you using?

It really took a month for me to be sure about the healing. Fortunately, I took pictures that became decisive evidence for me. Without the pictures, healing is gradual enough that you can possibly lose faith.

I loved the feedback aspect of the stinging. If I applied orange oil to normal skin there was no stinging at all. After a few weeks when treating problem skin, the stinging noticably decreased and eventually stopped. So for me, although the stinging was unpleasant, I felt some satisfaction thinking the stinging was due to the distress of the skin cancer and not normal skin.

I had to stop treatments for a few days occasionally to allow healing. A few days off should not matter, and if it were me I would not worry too much about applying it more often. I found it eventually works so I just pick a pace I like.

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fforest

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Posted - 06/26/2007 :  03:03:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am using some thing called cita solve I bought from Whole Foods..Its very concentated orange oil..Could be 60 70 80 90% pure I can not tell for sure but very strong..One of the wonderful things about orange oil is you can cover a large area..Skin cancer loves to hide...But orange oil is a strange experience,its subtle and very very unsubtle at the same time..Will write more later....

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MacWanted

France
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Posted - 06/27/2007 :  13:37:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you tell us how do you apply the oil since it is photosensitive, no?

Can we use essential oils?
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dan

601 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2007 :  00:24:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, orange oils are photosensitive. I'm not sure what that means because I never had a problem, but maybe it was because of how I applied it. I usually applied it in the morning about 30 minutes before showering. Other times I applied it at night about an hour before going to bed and usually rinsed it off then also. I suppose if one left it on and was exposed to the sun there could be a problem.

I have tried three different orange oil products. The first one was Ecover Natural Citrus Cleaner which I think it has been discontinued. However, it is similar to Citrisolve that fforest is using. Citrisolve is in many supermarkets and I also saw it at Vitamin Shoppe. A similar product I tried is Orange TKO, an organic food grade cleaner also similar to Citrisolve. Finally, I used NOW foods organic orange oil which is more like an essential oil in a smaller bottle.

One reason I bought the Orange TKO is because it had a sprayer which was good for nonfacial areas. To use the Ecover cleaner, I wetted a cotton ball with the orange oil and wiped it on my problem skin. To use the NOW product, I applied it to my finger tips and then to the problem area.

Be sure to have rinsing water and a towel nearby because I have had it drip into my eyes. It stung alot but fortunately I was well prepared with an immediate eye rinse.

I think the cleaner products are stronger than essential oils and also less expensive. But essential oils will probably work too. I like products from Ecover because that company is very conscious of anything toxic. Citrisolve is probably good too, but I was glad to find Orange TKO which is organic food grade.
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MacWanted

France
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  02:32:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, Thank a lot for all those details. I bought mine in France with a bio label. One question remains is do you use a huge amount of oil or very small one?
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dan

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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  20:46:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I applied enough to make the area wet, so more towards a huge amount.
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Mark

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Posted - 07/04/2007 :  23:47:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Am trying out some orange oil. Its "Wyndmere" brand oil in a relly small bottle. What I am trying is using the orange oil first for 30 minutes or so then putting on a panreatin solution in aloe vera gel. The idea of using the oil first is to help penetrate. Im adding CoQ10 powder and melatonin to the mixture. I've also added proteolytic enzyme in liquid form. I'm also making the mixture somewhat high in amonia cause it seems to burn a little more. Makes me feel like its doing something. Im also taking IP-6, melatonin, and Twin Labs super enzyme orally. Will let you all know if it works....
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MacWanted

France
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Posted - 07/05/2007 :  06:37:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have tryed IP6 but give me breath shortness, like asthma. I might be allergic to it...
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Mark

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Posted - 07/06/2007 :  14:33:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Day 2 of trying this. It DEFINATELY looks way worse than it was. Very red, swollen, and the small crater portion of the crater is about 2-3 times the size in width. Where it wasn't even bleeding before, it bled some and now there is much much clear puss oozing from the site. Despite, i think its working at least for now. The puss is a good sign i think in that I have many NK cells in the area working on it. The fact that its only read in certain areas is interesting. And just for kicks, i've been putting the same treatment on other none BCC areas just to see. So far NO red or irritation in the none BCC area. Hmm... In between changing the bandage and topical treatments, i've been dousing it with H2O2. I still add the orange oil too, and even added frankinscense oil too. All this and a drastically different diet and still adding the IP6. Figure get it from as many angles as possible.

Anyone have similar experience? Is all this a good sign? Too early to tell? I'm supposed to have surgery on the 17th...so i hope its obvious by then if this is working. More to come...
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dan

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Posted - 07/07/2007 :  00:26:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark, we are all very interested in hearing how this turns out. In my experience, what you have described so far seems to be a good sign. I'm hoping the course will be clearcut by the 17th. Unfortunately, these things take time. Keep in mind that you may need to provide for occasional healing/ rest days. We look forward to future updates and take some pictures if possible.
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Mark

36 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2007 :  18:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the encouragement Dan! One thing that i'd like to say is that this topical treatment approach is not the whole picture. I really think (after MUCH research) that what you eat is huge part of the cure. I've changed my diet drastically in the last 3 days. Only raw vegetables and fruits (all organic). For protein i've been eating tofu, cottage cheese, and almonds (also all organic). For fat...flax seed (again...organic). Added mineral water to the day as well (PH of about 7.5-8.5). The whole idea is (like the topical treatment) to alkalize your body as much as possible. It seems cancer cannot live in an ozidized alkaline environment. Before, i had at least 6 diet soda's a day, red meats, beer, fast food, pizza, etc. No wonder i have BCC.

The red swollen area has stopped growing in size. After each treatment, it seems i'm able to "flake" a small layer of dead skin off. Its sore, and even bleeds sometimes, but i'm not giving up. Surgery is just not the answer for me, its just merely a band-aid to the real problem which was my diet. If they cut it, there is no guarantee they can get it all. If I teach my body to fight it, it will be gone for good.

I'll try to take pictures. What is the best way? Import them right to this forum or create a new web page somewhere?
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dan

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Posted - 07/08/2007 :  01:03:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark, I really admire your attitude. I agree with you that diet is a huge part of skin cancer. I feel fortunate that I have been able to turn things around. I hope other people will begin take the same kind of initiative towards their health as you have.

The prevalent belief is that skin cancer is all about getting too much sun damage. I think good diet and digestion are even more important. Also, vitamin D obtained from sun exposure or supplements, is key to preventing cancers. I think avoiding the sun completely without supplementing vitamin D is as foolish as a bad diet.

The main goal of taking pictures is for your own benefit. From experience, it definitely helps to have some clear evidence when you start wondering if you are still on the right track. If you want to share your pictures here, I think it could be helpful to other people as well, but please don't feel obligated because of my comment. If you are interested, the ability to put a picture in a post is now working (I think). The instructions are in the first topic of the topical forum. Take care, and we look forward to hearing from you again.
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Mark

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Posted - 07/09/2007 :  01:56:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just an update for anyone interested. The center "crater" part of the lesion is slightly bigger today mainly because a layer of skin on the outer perimeter peeled back. The area that peeled is directly above where the lesion was previously raised the most. I'm assuming its also where the most cancer cells are? Or do you think there are many in the center of the lesion as well? (the skin is so much thinnner there and raw). Anyway, the raised portion is definately shrinking, but the lesion appears bigger. Definately not giving up. Just thought someone may have experienced the same thing.

Also, when I make the topical solution, i've been having a hard time making it thick. For anyone else that has tried it, have you found a way to make it thicker? Part of the problem for me is I cannot find gel tab Pancreatin. Only the powder. And it does not disolve in aloe or the cocoa butter. So I have to mix it with a bit of mineral water (PH ~ 8.0) to disolve, then add to the mixture. Otherwise its clumpy with Pancreatin powder!

I tried using H2O2 in one of the mixtures and it worked great but seemed a little too potent (kept burning deep). I may use that once in a while but not several times a day. Looking at some of the other posts, i'm wondering about adding a bit of baking soda to it. Although, the ammonia probably is sufficient to bring the PH up. I have also been putting a drop of orange oil in the mixture. Doesn't mix that great, but it does work.

Also for anyone else trying this, do you use a band-aid with it all day? I noticed on the curaderm site they say to keep it moist and not let it crust over. So i've been keeping it covered. Not sure if it makes a difference other than keeps the solution capable of penetrating all day everywhere. Thoughts?
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dan

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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  01:55:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the update Mark and we are interested. I'm not sure anyone makes a pancreatin gel. Most are powders inside a gelatin capsule. You mentioned that you were using a liquid proteolytic enzyme. What brand? One liquid pancreatin form I used was SupraClens contact lens cleaner by Alcon. It dissolves easily in aloe. I'm not sure if a thin solution is a bad thing because it will spread easier.

I think the center of most cancers is just a dying mess but I am just guessing. I would imagine the "healthiest" cancer cells would be near the periphery of the tumor.
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Ger

USA
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Posted - 08/06/2007 :  14:29:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you're looking to thicken the orange oil, use honey.
It will also help in the healing process. I've found
that cayenne pepper mixed with honey will take off the
skin cancers in a couple days. Need to keep it bandaged.
Then just treat it like a burn. Works great. Haven't tried
the orange oil, but will.
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dan

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Posted - 08/19/2007 :  16:49:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Ger, the cayenne pepper mixed with honey remedy sounds interesting. Did you use fresh cayenne pepper or the contents of a dietary supplement, or something else?

Also, as an update to this thread using orange oil, fforest has mixed orange oil with ammonia and I think that could be an extremely powerful topical skin cancer remedy. The ammonia also readily penetrates skin and makes the skin alkaline. Ammonia is naturally produced by the body as part of the urea cycle so mechanisms are in place to eliminate it. Recent research has found that exercise and topical caffeine each significantly reduce skin cancer by promoting cancer cell apoptosis (natural cell death, which cancer cells suppress). The combination of exercise and topical caffeine is synergistic. So what does that have to do with ammonia? Exercise creates ammonia waste products and caffeine inhibits the breakdown of ammonia, resulting in higher levels of ammonia for longer periods of time. My theory is that ammonia promotes cancer cell apoptosis. I think combining topical orange oil with ammonia could significantly reduce the healing time. If you happen to try this remedy at your own risk, please share your results.
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Martha1

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Posted - 08/22/2007 :  18:21:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also appreciate having all this info about orange oil in one thread. I recently tried NOW Foods organic orange oil, so I can add my experience with it so far.

For 5 weeks, I have been using Cymilium on an undiagnosed lesion on my nose, that was persistently red and occasionally bled and scabbed (as I described in a couple of other threads) and I have made some progress with it, i.e., a scab formed and then came off, leaving it smooth and lighter in color. After the scab came off and I resumed using Cymilium, it grew red and began to feel dry again. Progress then seemed slower, so I decided to add orange oil to my regimen.

The orange oil did seem to make a difference. The first day I used it (with Cymilium over it), the dry layer of skin began to loosen and peel. After another day, the peeling skin disappeared. (I assume it washed off.) Now the lesion is smooth again.

I sometimes use them alternately (like maybe orange oil in the morning and Cymilium in the afternoon) and other times I use them together (applying the orange oil first and then applying the Cymilium over it after a half hour or so). The orange oil isn't particularly painful. Sometimes it stings, similar to Cymilium; sometimes it just feels hot; and sometimes there's hardly any sensation from it. That may be because there has been some healing already. I like the convenience of orange oil, because it's invisible. It doesn't even look oily after it absorbs into the skin. Therefore, I use it instead of Cymilium if I'm going out. I apply it with my fingertip.

Dan, you mentioned that you rinse the orange oil off after a short time. Why is this necessary?

The lesion seems to be getting smaller with orange oil, especially if I use it alone. I don't know whether that is a good thing or not. Any opinions on that? When I stopped treatment for 5 days, waiting for the scab to come off, the lesion became very pale in color. After I resumed Cymilium it became deeper pink and a little larger, which tells me it isn't healed yet. I do want to treat it until it is really healed this time, so it doesn't come back.
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dan

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Posted - 08/23/2007 :  01:00:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Martha1, the reason I rinsed the orange oil after an hour or so was to stop the orange smell. Actually, more than anything, I really didn't want to have to explain to anyone why I smelled like oranges. It wasn't a bad smell and I often left it on.

It is clear that progress is slower now for you, so here are some ideas. Maybe someone else can add their thoughts too.

A challenge for topical skin cancer treatments is their ability to penetrate deep enough to really kill all of the skin cancer. I tried several orange oil products including TKO organic orange oil cleaner, NOW orange oil, and Ecover citrus cleaner (similar to Citrisolve cleaner) and felt that the cleaners were more powerful penetrators measured by the amount of sting they produce. You might consider trying a different orange oil product.

The ammonia and orange oil combo is very alkaline and what is left of the skin cancer could possibly be more tolerant of the alkalinity than the part that died. You might consider trying a couple days of applying apple cider vinegar to dramatically change the pH, then switch back to the orange oil and ammonia/Cymilium combo. I have never tried it, but others have used apple cider vinegar and eggplant combined with good success after periods of ammonia and orange oil treatments. I'm thinking that maybe the eggplant is not needed.

Another idea is to take a couple weeks off. We do have immune systems that normally work to eliminate cancers that occur on a daily basis. You may have already done enough to pull the task within the range of the immune system. When I stopped using orange oil I did have some recurrences months later but I found those were much easier to deal with than the original lesions.
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Martha1

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Posted - 08/23/2007 :  10:45:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, Thanks for your ideas. The orange smell isn't a problem for me. I think fruit smells are neat, and of course I'm not personally aware of it anyway.

I hesitate to use a cleaning product on my skin - maybe after I have tried NOW orange oil a little longer I will change my mind (have used it less than a week so far).

What is your theory about the cider vinegar? That it makes the area much more acid, and that when I switch back to Cymilium there will be a greater reaction?

I am also reluctant to take a couple of weeks off now, since I am due to see the dermatologist in 4 weeks, and I want to accomplish as much as I can before then. I feel I should go ahead with my appointment, assuming the skin cancer (if it is that) is partially healed, and whatever is left will be smaller.

Thanks, Martha
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fforest

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Posted - 08/23/2007 :  14:49:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have never tried it, but others have used apple cider vinegar eggplant combined with good success after periods of ammonia and orange oil treatments. I'm thinking that maybe the eggplant is not needed.

Just a quick comment on this...
I looked all over the Internet for the methods of extracting the glycoalkaloids from the eggplant...I found more or less nothing that I could understand...
I do know from my very limited understanding of organic chemistry that you need a acidic base (like vinegar)to extract the alkaloids from plants..

Considering the cream Sunspot extracts the glycoalkaloids in the cream from eggplants it only reasons that some of the glycoalkaloids would be extracted with vinegar...

If some one with real chemistry knowledge reads this I would really like your opinion on this...

Even if it the Apple cider vinegar is doing all the work here,the blended eggplant has the PERFECT PERFECT texture for a poultice for the Apple cider vinegar,this works much better than using cotton or cloth...

I do not have the chemistry background to say for certain this should or should not work..I only say there is a good chance the eggplant/vinegar works together..If its only the vinegar doing the work its ok by me as long as it works...


Sorry I know this is the Orange oil thread but I really wanted to make this point...

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dan

601 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2007 :  01:38:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Martha1, I can't blame you for not wanting to try an orange oil cleaner. I looked at the bottle on the shelf at the grocery store for over a year before I gave it a reluctant try. It appears that the combination of Cymilium and NOW orange oil is working for you, just not real fast. I think it is a good choice in terms of safety and effectiveness. The thought with the apple cider vinegar was as you said, looking for a greater reaction to speed healing. It seemed to me in my self treatments that providing rest days actually lead to faster healing. I was wondering if changing pH would do the same kind of thing only faster. But that's just a random idea. It should be an interesting dermatologist appointment!

fforest, don't worry about crossing threads, I'm happy you spoke up. I wonder if by eating eggplant the BEC glycoalkaloid would be released by stomach acid?
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Martha1

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Posted - 08/24/2007 :  11:31:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, thanks for all your advice. I think I will try taking a few days' break from the Cymilium and orange oil, and use apple cider vinegar instead, just to see what happens.

BTW, when I clean off the Cymilium each day, the lesion definitely seems to be lighter in color (at first). I had assumed it would disappear by getting smaller and smaller. It seems to be getting more pale instead.

I will definitely let you guys know what happens at the dermatologist appointment.

Martha
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Martha1

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Posted - 08/30/2007 :  11:41:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update: I'm still using orange oil alternately with Cymilium. At this point, I'm not sure if it makes a difference. When I apply it, there is sometimes a slight sting or hot feeling.

Over the past few days I have tried it on suspicious spots on other areas of my body, with no reaction at all. Then I remembered a few spots on my scalp.

Several years ago, I had some large, benign lumps removed from my scalp. My mother had them also – I have heard them called “sebacious cysts” - and I think they are hereditary. Another lump, also on my scalp, which I had several years ago had come to a head, and with a little squeezing, had emptied its contents. I had treaded another with the baking soda & castor oil mixture and it also emptied its contents. (All of this happened several years ago.) There is a new tiny bump forming at the site of one of those that I had removed. There is also uneven skin over the two that emptied on their own, without surgery. I decided to try orange oil on those 3 spots. I have used it several times, and it stung quite a bit each time.

Today, when I put orange oil on the lesion on my nose (the one I have been treating for 6 weeks), it ran down the side of my nose toward the nostril and caused some stinging. Because of that, I decided to experiment and apply it all over my nose, both sides, and out a little on the cheek area. It burned like the dickens! The skin involved looks completely fine, except for the one lesion. Does that mean the cancerous or pre-cancerous condition has spread to my whole nose? Will continued use of orange oil heal it? (I'm due to see the dermatologist 3 weeks from today.)

Martha
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dan

601 Posts

Posted - 08/31/2007 :  00:20:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think anyone knows exactly what it means when orange oil reacts with some skin conditions. In my experience it has identified problem areas, but perhaps many of these were not skin cancer. For instance, maybe they were fungal infections. One theory I had is that the cells incorporated trans or polyunsaturated omega 6 fats instead of more stable saturated fats. Of course that is pure speculation but it is an example of a possible skin condition that could be eventually remedied on its own by a better diet.

For the spots I had good reason to suspect were skin cancer, I did get a stinging reaction. I felt the delay of the sting after application gave an indication of the depth of the problem. For example, if I felt the sting after about a minute the problem was quite shallow. If it took a few minutes it was deeper. I found it took several weeks of orange oil applications before my skin problems were cleared up. I don't know if it works reliably for other people or for other conditions. Orange oil isn't perfect in terms of pain and length of time to heal but for me it has worked well.

Martha1, thanks for your clear and honest posts. I know it gets difficult and scary sometimes but we really appreciate your participation here and wish you the best. Hopefully we will find something better.


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Martha1

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Posted - 08/31/2007 :  09:19:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, thanks for your prompt reply. I guess I knew nobody could predict the results of the orange oil, but it does make sense that it could react to other abnormal conditions besides skin cancer. I'm really glad I found out about orange oil, and I plan to continue using it until those problem areas stop stinging.

The burn I got yesterday from the orange oil was pretty unpleasant, but I find I can control that if I apply just a little and spread it out thinly with my hands. The day before, I had spent a little time in the sun – not enough to show any sign of sunburn – but that might be why my face was so sensitive.

At this point, I feel very little reaction when I use orange oil on the lesion itself. It takes a few minutes, and then I feel just warmth, not even a sting. I noticed with Cymilium also, that the longer I used it, the longer it took to feel the sting – and the less sting I felt. It makes sense that this means the problem area is deeper and it takes longer for the Cymilium or orange oil to reach it.

Now, another question occurs to me: if it takes longer and longer to sting, and eventually there is no sting at all, does that mean the problem is healed, or does it mean the problem is too deep to be reached? I'm beginning to think I am at about that point with this lesion. It looks like normal skin and is smooth, but it is still pink and feels slightly dry.

I think my best bet is to continue the treatments for a few days on and a few days off. The apple cider vinegar brought off a layer of dead skin, so maybe it's a good idea to continue using that on the off days, to help reach deeper levels.

My appointment with the dermatologist will be my first, so I'm not sure what to expect. I assume he will do a biopsy on this lesion. Will he recommend an over-all examination of my skin to look for other suspicious areas? Will he do such an examination on the same visit? I know he does Moh's surgery, so I assume that is the next step if his biopsy detects skin cancer, but how soon will that happen? I know he is quite busy, because I had to schedule my first appointment 2 months ahead.
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rocco

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Posted - 08/31/2007 :  16:15:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
<<<My appointment with the dermatologist will be my first, so I'm not sure what to expect. I assume he will do a biopsy on this lesion. Will he recommend an over-all examination of my skin to look for other suspicious areas? Will he do such an examination on the same visit? I know he does Moh's surgery, so I assume that is the next step if his biopsy detects skin cancer, but how soon will that happen? I know he is quite busy, because I had to schedule my first appointment 2 months ahead.>>>

I have been to three different dermatologists. Each was a little different, but here is what happened, as a rule, in my cases.

If they do suspect something they will want to do a biopsy...which in three cases WAS the surgery. They inject a little anesthesia under the area, take a curette and scrape off the layers affected. At this point is where the differences occurred. One guy, I assume knowing he was dealing with a BCC or SCC, went ahead with the electro-dessication (an electric needle for burning away any remaining cancerous cells) and scraping. You really don't feel a thing, it is quite painless. The other guy waited for the biopsy.

Anyway, they send the sample they took by curette off for analysis. If the biopsy shows that they got all of the lesion that is pretty much the end of the story. My first dermatologist had me come back in about a half dozen times and take a localized Grenz Ray (low radiation) treatment on the spot. If they find they didn't get all the lesion they will discuss the options of what to do next...Moh's or other.

As far as an over-all examination...yeah, I guess most do that and it takes just a minute or two. No big deal.

Waiting in between doctors has gotten nutty long. That is why we need to figure out how to treat these things better ourselves. I was like you...had to wait a couple of months the last time to get in....had a couple of BCC's and an SCC...had to wait a month to get in for a consultation visit to the Moh's guy, had to wait another month after that for the surgery. The Moh's guy only liked doing one spot at a time so it was a couple of months back and forth with him....so I was wearing bandages on my face for...oooh, close to 6 months. Hence my interest level in finding self treatment.

Anyway, good luck to you and remember YOU are in charge. Only do what you want done and are comfortable with. Make them explain the details to you.

Edited by - rocco on 08/31/2007 16:21:02
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Martha1

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Posted - 08/31/2007 :  18:55:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rocco,

Thanks for the info and encouragement. I think the reason I put off seeing a dermatologist for so long was that I was afraid of what might be done, and I forgot that I am in charge.

I actually didn't mind waiting 2 months for an appointment, because it gave me time to try some topical treatments. (I had already ordered Cymilium, but had been afraid to use it until then.)

This doctor does Moh's also, but I would assume if that is necessary, he would not do it on the spot, right? (It could get complicated if a skin graft is required.) I hope I have no more than this one lesion to be treated (if that).

I'm not clear on how they would know from the biopsy whether they got all the lesion or not. Do they cut the biopsy tissue into layers? (I guess that's a question I can ask the dermatologist when I see him.)

I will definitely report on how my appointment goes, and may be in touch before that.

Thanks,
Martha
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rocco

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Posted - 09/01/2007 :  09:26:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
<<This doctor does Moh's also, but I would assume if that is necessary, he would not do it on the spot, right?>>

I don't know the answer to that as I have only been to separate dermatologist - Moh's surgeons.

<<<I'm not clear on how they would know from the biopsy whether they got all the lesion or not>>

The doctor/lab that gets the biopsy sample will look at the tissue in three dimensions...if the sample shows healthy tissue outside of the cancerous parts they can assume that they got it all. If there is still questionable tissue to the edges or bottom of the sample then it would require further treatments.
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Martha1

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Posted - 09/01/2007 :  19:15:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Rocco. I understand.
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Martha1

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Posted - 09/05/2007 :  17:54:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have gotten no reaction from applying orange oil to any suspicious spots on my body (mainly on my legs), but I have gotten a stinging reaction EVERYWHERE I applied it on my head and face – chin, forehead, cheeks, nose, and temples – whether on suspicious areas or not! I assume that must be because the skin of my face and head are of a different texture (not so tough) as the rest of the body. The other possibility is that I have a very extensive problem. Any opinions? (The only area of my face that does not react is the one lesion I have already been treating for quite a while. On that area, I feel only a slight burning and that after several minutes.)

NOTE: I should say there is another area where I have used orange oil with some stinging reaction. There are a couple of spots in a private area that occasionally become irritated or itchy from rubbing, wiping, and/or perspiration – sort of like diaper rash, I guess. I tried orange oil on those spots a couple of times, and it did burn. There has been no itching on those spots since I used orange oil, however.

I have another question nobody has answered yet: Dan said “I felt the delay of the sting after application gave an indication of the depth of the problem. For example, if I felt the sting after about a minute the problem was quite shallow. If it took a few minutes it was deeper.” A few other people made similar statements, and this bears out my experience on the lesion itself. At this point, it takes a long time to sting, and I feel little or no sting. The same is true for Cymilium. My question is: If it takes longer and longer to sting, and eventually there is no sting at all, does that mean the problem is healed, or does it mean the problem is too deep to be reached?

Another question: When I see the dermatologist in 2 weeks, his patient questionnaire form, which has already been sent to me, asks for any medications (prescription or non-prescription) that I have been using. I feel I should tell him about the topical treatments I have been using. If I do, there are a few possibilities: 1) He may dismiss them as having no effect, and go ahead with a biopsy. If he finds nothing, then he finds nothing. 2) He may be aware of how they work, and even if he doesn't find skin cancer in the biopsy, he may be concerned the cancer is hiding at a deeper level. I'm not sure what will happen then. Has anyone had an experience like this?

Edited by - Martha1 on 09/05/2007 19:10:28
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thanks01

USA
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Posted - 08/21/2010 :  13:40:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My advice when using Orange Oil is to LIMIT THE AREAS where you spread it and go step-by-step.
In my opinion I spread it on too much area of my face for starters. Now what I am doing is choosing an area and repeating the orange oil treatment at least once, sometimes twice, a day, hoping to end up with no burning sensation for that area.
I can't swear that there is NO BURNING ON NORMAL SKIN, because I seem to have so many "hidden" spots that need attention, reminiscent of something Dan said on one of the threads about orange oil (for his chest). All I can say is that the burning does SEEM to be distributed into "trouble spots," which get a little bit red colored, versus "normal skin," which does not SEEM to hurt and remains a normal color.
Another thing I don't know, and would like to ask Dan here, is HOW LONG to keep on applying orange oil to get rid of the problems and have the stinging go away, weeks, months....? Since I am going area-by-area, if it takes a long time to get a single area done, this may take quite a while. And I haven't even gone off my face yet. There are some other places to try, as well.
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dan

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Posted - 08/22/2010 :  01:47:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi thanks01, that's good advice to limit the areas. For me, the orange oil took three weeks before I was convinced things were better than when I first started and I kept applying for eight weeks. Comparing pictures I took along the way with a cell phone camera was extremely encouraging. I was actually ready to give up at two or three weeks but the progress shown in the pictures convinced me to keep going. I was able to feel a difference in the stinging onset and duration through the process. I also applied once or twice a day. Taking occasional rest days seemed to actually help the healing process and was also good psychologically.

Orange oil healing seems a lot like Efudex healing to me, although not quite as bad. An important difference is that Efudex seems toxic to normal cells where orange oil is not toxic. That results in a big advantage for orange oil compared to Efudex late in the treatment. You have probably seen pictures of people's faces completely reddened with Efudex while others have just small areas affected. http://www.sannerud.com/people/efudex/ Treating skin cancer with Efudex also takes weeks and things look worse and worse before suddenly improving. Using the orange oil rest days greatly reduced the general redness that would have occurred by daily treatment. By limiting the area, a person probably has a better chance of seeing the treatment through.
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marsha

USA
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Posted - 08/22/2010 :  10:24:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, when you use the orange oil do you get an open wound that ozes, like curaderm and petty spurge? Do you have pictures?
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thanks01

USA
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Posted - 08/22/2010 :  13:18:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Dan, for your answers above.
I was slow in talking on the Forum about Orange Oil because the first time I ordered it from my supplement supplier I made a mistake and ordered CAPSULES (thinking that I could squeeze out a few drops). It turns out the capsules are DILUTED with other edible oils. So then I had to place another order for the BOTTLE of PURE Orange Oil, which has now come.
The one question still not quite clearly answered for me is this: if you go through with the Orange Oil treatment on a chosen area for the number of weeks Dan indicated, at the end does the "normal skin" give NO burning sensation?
Or, to put it another way for those who wish to use Orange Oil as a test for whether some other treatment GOT all the cancer: when you put Orange Oil on NORMAL skin (without either cancer, fungus, or AK) is there NO BURNING sensation?
Thanks for all the help so far. I am impressed with Orange Oil for certain purposes and intend to write more fully on my experience later when nearer to conclusion. Meanwhile I returned to the Forum with these issues and questions about Orange Oil.
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dan

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Posted - 08/22/2010 :  13:56:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi marsha, here is a collage of my healing progress of skin lesions on the back of my neck. Sorry for my hairy appearance! It has been about five years since this sequence and the area is still without lesions. The area was treated with one or twice daily applications of orange peel extract and less frequent applications of household ammonia. The first photo (upper left) was taken on the third day of treatment. (The resulting inflammation was more pronounced at that time than before treatment began.) The second picture (upper middle) was taken on the 6th day, the third picture (upper right) was taken on the 11th day, the fourth picture (lower left) was taken on the 18th day, the fifth picture (lower middle) was taken on the 23rd day. The last picture (lower right) shows the area became well healed on the 33rd day.

At one point the lesions did briefly end up oozing. I thought it was best to back off for a couple of days at that point. I'm not sure what would have happened if I kept applying orange oil continuously, but the rest periods worked out well.





Thanks01, yes, in the end, the treated area should give no burning sensation. However, I would advise waiting a couple of weeks without applying orange oil before a final test because broken or inflamed skin may give a false positive reaction. If the area needs more treatment, the orange oil seems to be just as effective over time so there appears to be no harm in incorporating rest days.
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thanks01

USA
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Posted - 08/23/2010 :  11:38:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Dan, for all the information from your experience and for answering the questions clearly.
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marsha

USA
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Posted - 10/16/2010 :  13:20:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, I have been doing curaderm, ps,soda,on 2 spots on my hand for about 2 weeks.I then decided to hit it with orange oil. I had to take a nap from the pain.Then hit it with curaderm,for the night. This morning it looks good. more orange oil,hardly any pain, more orange oil,barely any thing.Ive been taking pictures, so when I have no reaction from anything I will show them. That orange oil is really great. Oh, where should I put the pictures? curaderm,ps.or orange oil site?
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BBirdz

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Posted - 06/05/2011 :  01:36:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan and all- Thank you for the brave and detailed journaling you have all done here. It is such a huge help! I have had numerous skin cancers taken off my face over the years. I received radiation treatments for acne when I was a teenager and have been told this is probably why I have so many skin cancers now. My skin cancers don't often look typical and doctors don't catch them. One such spot on my lip that my derm dismissed 2 months ago, started to bleed out of the blue recently and that is usually the tip off. I have decided to try something besides surgery this time and was so glad to come across this site. I've read a lot of the posts and have decided that petty spurge seems to be getting the best results though no one treatment seems to work for everyone. Is this a fair take or do you think another treatment has been found to be equally or more effective? I ordered seeds and am currently trying to sprout them.

In the meantime I decided to try NOW orange oil which I've been applying once or twice a day for about 4-5 days. I get a moderate but tolerable stinging which starts within 30 seconds and lasts for a couple minutes or so. But other than that I've not felt or seen any difference in the spot. Sometimes a slight redness that fades shortly, no scabbing or anything. Am I doing something wrong or not applying enough? (The suspected spot does not currently have any open wound or bleeding since the one occasion) Also I've been applying it on numerous other spots around my lip, nose, eyebrow- all of which have the same stinging reaction- particularly near the lip and I'm wondering if it's just a more sensitive area? I can't imagine that I have cancer in all these places but perhaps they are all radiation damaged or precancerous. I'd appreciate any thoughts or guidance anyone has to share.
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Emir

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Posted - 10/03/2011 :  17:16:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello to everyone. Can someone please tell me from where can I order Orange Oil. It would be the best if someone can give me the link from which website i can order it.

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RArmant

USA
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Posted - 08/28/2012 :  23:43:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jarrow Formulas, d-Limonene, 1000 mg, 60 Softgels
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-d-Limonene-1000-mg-60-Softgels/13877

You can buy d-limonene by the gallon at:
http://www.greenterpene.com/GreenTerpene_d_Limonene_Terpenes_s/20.htm

Interesting discussion about d-limonene at:
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/24890-d-limonene-in-bulk/
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lenardd

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Posted - 12/12/2012 :  13:18:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Dan,

Would you use a d-Limonene terpene that is 98.5% on scc?

http://www.greenterpene.com/d_Limonene_Orange_Terpenes_High_Purity_p/001005530.htm

If the above is too strong, would one with a minimum of 95% be more suitable?

http://www.greenterpene.com/d_Limonene_Orange_Terpenes_Food_Grade_p/001005527.htm

There is also the cold pressed orange oil but its d-limonene content can vary between 90-95%. Would that be good enough?

http://www.greenterpene.com/GreenTerpene_Cold_Pressed_Orange_Oil_Food_Grade_p/00100501.htm

Thanks.

--Lenard
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dan

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Posted - 12/14/2012 :  00:32:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Lenard, I would go with either of the food grade products and lean towards the last one. I don't think the d-limonene content difference is significant. They will all be very strong, so start slowly and be prepared for a strong 20 minute sting. It's not much fun but at least it smells good!
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lenardd

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Posted - 12/14/2012 :  11:04:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Dan. I will then go with the last one and see how it works out. I just need to wait for my biopsy wound to heal before I get started!
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lenardd

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Posted - 12/16/2012 :  18:38:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan, what did you use to clean off the orange oil after the 30 minutes (or the period it stopped stinging)? Alcohol or tap water?

Thanks.
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dan

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Posted - 12/17/2012 :  22:17:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Lenard, I used tap water to rinse the orange oil off. I am very reluctant to use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol for anything based on the Hulda Clark theory that isopropyl alcohol promotes cancer. http://www.ru.org/health/the-end-of-cancer.html
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lenardd

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Posted - 12/20/2012 :  22:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan,

I thought I'd post the link below which talks about D-Limonene (from a consumption angle):

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?392716-D-Limonene-Help-for-Digestion-Metabolism-Detoxification-Anxiety...

Not sure if you have already seen it. It also covers cancers and tumors.

--Lenard
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dan

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Posted - 12/21/2012 :  00:59:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lenard, thanks for the fascinating article, I had not seen that. I may try d-limonene supplements just to see what happens.
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