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Barbara

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2008 :  12:11:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone had success with Curaderm? I want to order it but do not want to spend over 100- if it doesn't really work -thanks in advance

marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2008 :  12:48:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been using curaderm for one year. I started out fast tracking.(that is putting it on 7 times a day) It started out with 3 or 4 small places including 1 diagnosed scc. The curaderm soon followed the roots of the basil cell all over my faces. The scc turned into a deep whole that almost went all the way through my nostril. Then my whole face heeled up with lots of compliments, except my nose. But I got tired of fast tracking and went to 2 times a day. So then I spent the next 6 mo. in a holding pattern. Last mo I decided to fast track and get this over with, My nostril is still filling in, but the tip of my nose has opened up again. marsha
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Barbara

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2008 :  14:33:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gosh, what do you mean open up again? Is it worse or improved? Are you happy with it and have you tried other things/I have this bcc for over 6 yrs, not going away but not getting bigger or doing anything but itch once in a blue moon
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Allie

USA
26 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2008 :  14:45:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was planning on ordering Curaderm, but since marsha's post, I started questioning it's true effectiveness. It does seem curious that despite the 100% curative rate claimed by Curaderm, no one on topicalinfo has yet posted a conclusive positive result.

I googled "Curaderm scam" and came up with some discouraging information. One website claims that there are no records in Great Britain of the clinical trials claimed by Curaderm advertisers, and that the positive claims found on some forum websites actually came from the same source on Vanuata, which is where the Curaderm is sold from (not Australia).

I think I will not order the Curaderm after all. I'm currently applying eggplant, and although my lesions seem to have vastly improved after 5 weeks, they are still not fully healed. I plan to be patient a while longer, but will consider other possibilities, maybe including surgery if I can find someone who does MOHS.
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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2008 :  18:42:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Im not saying it dosnt work. I started with a biopsied scc on the side of my nose. Plus I have basil cell other places. Ive had moe's. My mother had moe's, she lost half her top lip, half her noes. They can cut, but you better find one that can put you back togeather. Curaderm followed the basil roots all across my face. Up my nose, down to my ears. It was pretty scarry. I was fast tracking. Thats when you put it on up 7 times a day. My whole face has healed. Everyone says my skin looks great..except my nose. I got tired of doing it 7 times a day. I only did it twice a day. The cancer spots seemed to go into a holding stage. I started fast tracking again last mounth. I got results. All the skin peeled off the tip of my nose. The scc was a huge hole but now it has almost filled in. I havent had them biopsied again so I dont know for sure. marsha
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2008 :  00:41:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not a believer and I have a few hundred dollars invested in the cream.

I called they were pretty encouraging and instructive but the bottom line is I have not had success eradicating with curaderm. In some cases it did irritate the BCC but I was clearly unsuccessful in knocking them out.

I still have a few bottles and I am willing for the folks at Curaderm to come on out and prove me wrong. I'd love to be an advocate because the story sounds great.. It just didn't work for me.

I am having every bit as good of success, maybe better with Sunspot ES using the Curaderm method of covering the treated area.

The best information I got from the folks at curaderm was the 3m micropore tape and not letting the treated area dry out or scab over.



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Barbara

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2008 :  05:55:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did Sunspot-it didn't do anything. They can send men to the moon but can't find a cure for skin cancer *sigh*

thanks for the replies
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Allie

USA
26 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2008 :  13:44:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marsha, that is encouraging about the Curaderm working well on so many other spots plus improvement on the nose spot. I'll keep an open mind on it then.

Anivoc, sorry the Curaderm didn't work well for you. Thanks for the information about keeping the area covered.

Right now, I'm still making good progress with the eggplant mix I'm using. If interested, I'm posting here at the forum on the eggplant thread.

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Barbara

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2008 :  16:33:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
going to read your "recipe" now Allie, thanks
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dan

607 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2008 :  21:22:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the link to the eggplant thread http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=143&whichpage=2
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2008 :  02:01:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barbara

I did Sunspot-it didn't do anything.



Following the sunspot directions, at best it just helped keep things at bay. The Sunspot directions do not instruct you to apply and then cover, just rub it on a few times a day.

Using the curaderm instructions with sunspot is another story completely and I am going through it right now again on a couple very stubborn BCC areas.

Having done bloodroot paste and knowing how fast, painful and hard it works, I can only equate applying sunspot via the curaderm instructions is eating away my BCC's sloooowly but a lot less painfully.

I had my first success with the sunspot about 8 months ago.. a small retuning bcc @ 1/16th of an inch started bleeding. I started applying the sunspot once a day after my morning shower. I would apply chickweed healing salve and cover with 3M micropore tape. I soon had @ 1/4" wide 1/8" deep hole where the small bleeder started. It took about 3 to 4 weeks to knock it out and then it just started healing. Didn't matter if I applied sunspot the cancer was gone and it healed up leaving a slight crater that is healing up nicely..






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Alir2009

1 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2009 :  20:51:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
STAY AWAY FROM CURADERM!!!! It is a scam! I bought it for a suspicious growth that was recurring on my upper arm---in retrospect I do not think it was any form of cancer. I applied the curaderm and it did everything they said, but it did not close. For months I had this wound, they told me to get more, keep applying it etc. I did. In the end I am left with a HUGE grotesque scar that looks much worse than if I had a doctor look at it, biopsy it, take it all out and close it. In fact I am considering a scar revision there it is that bad! It has been a year and it is depigmented, not likely to heal beyond where it is, ugly and very noticeable. Do not be fooled. It is merely flesh eating and yes it does recognise any "unusual" cells be it cancer or a mole or anything that is not a normal growth, but everything that grows on us is not cancerous. Some are moles, skin tags etc. I would not let an enemy try this. Curaderm is a scam!!!!!!
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homestrong

USA
24 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2009 :  22:25:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heirsolo, you seem to be the only one posting on this board who
is convinced of Curaderm's effectiveness.

I guess I have to go with the consensus I read her (as I read
it every day now).

I think I have to believe the words of people who are posting
comments in real time, rather than unidentified people who are
part of these "clinical studies"

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jada

Canada
3 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2009 :  22:29:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been using curaderm for a week now...it is not true that it reacts the same way to any skin. i was skeptical so i put it on the cancer and i also put it on another place on my face where there is no cancer. the cancer place stung and felt like it was burning - it turned black and the red area became much bigger than the area that was covered by the cream....it is now starting to change to normal skin with some new black spots emerging. the spot that was treated which was cancer free had a very small amount of redness - i treated it 4 times and had minimal response whereas within that many treatments the cancer area had turned black....so far it definitely seems to be working...also, curaderm is specifically formulated - i do not think using a homemade eggplant mixture would compare.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2009 :  23:16:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Homestrong

Dead on the money..Heirsolo comes here and talks down to anyone of us that knows curaderm does not work 100% of the time yet Heirsolo does not claim to have used it him /herself. Nothing but links to curaderm and the PR (a polite word for propaganda)

Then you make the post about how no one else supports curaderm but heirsolo and then 1 time poster Jada appears.

Jada since you've done your research on this site could you please point us to the post that says Curaderm effects any and all skin not just skin cancers. I don't recall ever seeing anyone mention that. I have heard in this comment in regards to bloodroot but not curaderm. Curaderm had no effect on my healthy skin and though it irritated my skin cancer, it never eradicated it. BTW Bloodroot in my own personal experience had no effect on healthy skin but seriously attacked several BCC's I had in one application. Not so with Curaderm. Months and hundreds of dollars invested with nothing but an irritated unkilled bcc. If you follow the curaderm direction I don't see how the treated area turned black being as Curaderm is white and if kept bandaged as instructed the irritated wound won't scab over.
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jada

Canada
3 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  02:24:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc,

I was online doing more research and came across this forum...i added my two cents worth because of the skeptical comments...i do not appreciate the cold reception i received.

i do not know for sure if curaderm will work - i am only reporting my progress since i am in the middle of treatment....i find the posts on this forum to be quite negative and suspicious. you said that no-one else had said that it worked so i thought i should say what i think...beside someone named marsha also said she had results...it seems like you are the one trying to push an agenda.

if you read my post again i said that curaderm does not work the same on regular skin as it does on cancer skin...that was my point to someone (Alir) who said that they had the reactions described in the instructions on a suspicious spot that they decided was not cancer (although they don't tell us why they came to that conclusion - clearly they thought it was cancer at some point if they thought to use curaderm on it)...my skin has turned black where the cancer is but not beside it where the regular skin is, even though the cream has been on it too. all of the descriptions in my research talk about the skin turning black so i'm not sure what you are talking about. the cream is white but the area, it turns black from the inside, not like a scab...maybe it just isn't working for you? but so far it is definitely doing something for me....i will post again in a few days when i know more.
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dan

607 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  00:33:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
jada, welcome aboard. I think the underlying frustration is that Curaderm has made claims (with supportive scientific studies) that it is always effective, whereas practically it only seems to work some of the time despite the best efforts of some users. I hope Curaderm works for you and you are able to share your results here.
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jada

Canada
3 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2009 :  08:22:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My spot has now turned white/yellowish and is not so deep a crater - and the area around it has become very red and is eroding. the whole area (and beyond) was very itchy during the night. i'm finding it a difficult process to stay with because it look so awful....i can't imagine the white area becoming healthy tissue because it looks so strange right now....but i keep thinking i might as well not stop now.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2009 :  12:24:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very Sorry Jada.

Could you loan me some salt and pepper for that foot in my mouth...


I sincerely apologize, welcome you to the forum and hope you find what you are looking for here.

The curaderm topic is a sore one with me. I feel the company definitely oversells it's effectiveness and I feel I wasted over $300 on a product that didn't perform as advertised.

As Dan said, I hope Curaderm works for you.

Please accept my apology. I hope collectively we find better ways to deal with skin cancer than the conventional medicine methods used today.


Edited by - anivoc on 04/25/2009 10:43:38
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rpmatson

2 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2009 :  09:51:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Repeat from another thread:

I used Curaderm myself following the instructions from their team and ended up with a scar of my nose that looks like a shallow crater and the skin has no colour. The patch on my arm filled in nicely but again the skin that grew back has no colour. It has left me facially scarred, and I will need cosmetic surgery to make my nose look normal again.

When I started to use the treatment, I was told by the manager of the marketing company (one of the experts who had been trained to sell the product) to use a plaster with no backing, otherwise the cream would be absorbed by the backing and it would be ineffective. So I followed this advice but the result was that the cream spread much further than the tiny spot I had used. The area of skin eaten away was some 6 times the size of the area I was treating. This whole area is scared and it is obvious.

The FDA has said curaderm is not approved in the US. I also have doubts about the legitimacy and authenticity of the clinical trials. From other sources it appears that the clinical trials are not recorded in the right places.

The people selling Curaderm were non-medical people who did not have the knowledge to sell a treatment for a disease such as skin cancer. I have heard many stories of mis-selling of the product and ordered products not arriving. The Live Chat link to talk to an "expert" was to talk to somebody in a tiny office in Vanuatu with no medical training and basically quoting from the same information on the website.

My advice would be not to be fooled by the stories of hardship and the claims of how good the cream is. Having used the cream myself and been scared I would use another treatment. The way I was just ignored when I followed up on money that I was owed for work I did for them, makes me believe that the directors of Curaderm Global are people with low business ethics. I sent a few emails about the money and I was ignored. This also appears to be a pattern repeated by people who have ordered the product and it has not arrived.

See the links for more info:

Link from the FDA:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6808c.htm

Other warnings:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Cancer_Salves.asp?sitearea=ETO

http://www.healthnews.com/alerts-outbreaks/fda-warns-against-internet-sales-fake-cancer-cures-1257.html

And a link that specifically mentions Curaderm as a scam:
http://www.ehow.com/how_4861188_avoid-internet-scams.html

In my honest opinion, this snake oil sold by snakes.
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  12:16:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have used Curaderm for almost 18 months and it works well, does it's job. However there seems to be stage with an advanced SCC or BCC that Curaderm cannot seem to make progress. It still works and you get the expected sensations, but it just cannot penetrate deep enough into the subdermal abnormal areas that are sometimes there.

I am dealing now with a very deep and advanced SCC on my cheek and it just seems to be stagnate using straight Curaderm. Dr. Bill Cham of Curaderm Global concured with me that the cream just could not get down in there. Personally I am a fan of DMSO and I mentioned this to Dr. Cham who agreed with me in trying it. Dr. Cham also mentioned that he has had excellent results with DMSO in the past, however he does not use it because it requires a prescription to obtain in Vanuatu. I told him that getting DMSO in the US is not a problem since it is marketed as a solvent, and that I normally keep 30 or 40 onces onhand.

Dr. Cham sent me a blend formula which is: 1 Part DMSO - 9 Parts Curaderm cream. It should be mixed and kept in a small glass jar with a screw on lid at room temperature. I mixed up one 20ml tube of Curaderm cream with 2ml of DMSO, stirred with a wooden popsicle stick.

WOW! What a difference this makes! I have to say that this blend is kind of like "Curaderm On Steroids". You can feel a substantial difference in penetration and coverage when you apply the blended cream. It's going to sting a little more, but it really gets down in there plus it seems to cover and saturate the irregularities of the lesion much better.

Presently I am now using this exclusively and hoping to see beneficial results on my SCC. The clear serous discharge from the erupting abnormal cells is now a constant flow. I hope this is helpful to some.
I am Randolph
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dan

607 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2010 :  01:12:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
randolph, thanks for the post. We have seen mixed results with Curaderm so far. I hope the addition of DMSO will make a big difference and look forward to hearing how this works for you. Another possibility to increase Curaderm's penetration is combining it with orange oil.
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river

Australia
22 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2010 :  09:51:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been using curaderm on a bcc on my right posteria shoulder for 20 months, its 70cm dia.Im not sure if it is healing, can you give me any info.?
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 07/26/2010 :  23:36:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The only people who are calling this Curaderm a "scam" are a few people who didn't like the results they got from it. Either it didn't work, or they didn't like the scar it left.

Neither of those outcome means this is a scam. The cream is not supposed to work except on cancer tissue. So if it didn't work for someone, there are three possibilities besides it being a "scam" ... 1) their lesion was not cancer to begin with 2) they didn't use it long enough, often enough, or properly ...OR... they are just one of those people for whom it doesn't work. Even the research tests do not show it 100% effective during the "control / test" period, though perhaps if they used it longer. In once study I read that for those for whom it didn't work during the test period, most DID get a complete cure, it just took longer. Regardless... I don't know of any "cure" that works 100% of the time on 100% of the people who use it. People often have other health conditions (weakened immune systems, etc., that may effect results).

For the idiot that is claiming he called these places in the studies... his description of what happened when he used the cream is exactly in line with what they SAY will happen. That the cream will "eat away" at the cancer, leaving a hole, or crater, that should be filled in with healthy flesh. However there are lots of reasons that someone might not heal up as good as other people and, if they don't, of COURSE it's going to leave a scar. Again, doesn't mean it's a scam, and reading his description did not discourage me from trying it, and while I'm only a few days into it, it seems to be working as described so far.

In my book though... using a cream that costs a hundred bucks or so, is still a better option than having someone cut into you (and possibly having to have plastic surgery after) for perhaps thousands of dollars. Especially since, in the studies done, there was little to no recurrence of the cancer with the cream, yet many people say that they have had cancers come back after surgeries.

Best thing with cream... you can buy one tube... use it, if it is not working as you expect, then simply stop. If it is, buy a second tube and continue on. Worth $100 to try it out, if for curiosity alone.

By the way... you can find the PDF file of the double blind, placebo study here...
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119389345/PDFSTART

And more papers are listed here... You can usually put the title into google and pull up the actual paper if the PDF is stored online.
http://curaderm.net/research-2.html

And, interestingly... some more right here on Topicalinfo:
http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=443

And an article here from another Doctor:
http://ahha.org/SkinCancerCure.htm

And finally... Modified Citrus Pectin has been shown to inhibit cancer growth and can be taken internally. If someone has a persistent problem with cancer.. perhaps a three pronged approach with topical, internal AND boosting of the immune system with probiotics, adaptogenic herbs and medicinal mushrooms would be a protocol to be considered.

Regardless of what someone chooses to do... surgery and drugs, or natural treatments, it is up to each individual person to do their own research, and make their own informed decisions.


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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2010 :  10:40:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


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18.19 KBThis is a scc I treated with curaderm. I was afraid this hole was going to go all the way through the nose and I was going to have to make it a big piercing. I used curaderm untill it healed itself and then a few days after. Its been 2 years.I have had no other problems with it. If I had to have moes they would have cut the whole nostril out like they did to my mother. So I can live with the scar.

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Notice how it spreading down the side of my noes, to my cheek.
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17.8 KB I dont know what those were, maybe damaged skin, or bsc. These are also during and after curaderm. I kept putting the cream on untill they healed, and a few days after. Then I went to the derm.he said he would not see me while I used curaderm.(I was still treating the top of my nose)So I said well would you just look at the rest of my face and tell me what you think. So he looked and said the rest looked good. Thats all I know. As for the rest of my noes (including previously treated moes. I can"t seem to kick it. It never heals. Its been about 2 years. The curaderm people said use dmso with it. so I did for a while. Now Im trying other things.
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robstan

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2010 :  02:56:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi I have used curaderm or cansema black salve and yes it really works. But word of warning you should be very careful using it like any ointment. The first day I applied ointment (Sunday) you could tell it was something as the ointment started to bit at it straight away. I kept it covered for 7 days and then changed the dressing, just a clean dressing no ointment, my spot was on my left side of my face right at the bottom of my eyebrow. The whole area puffed up and was quite red and it even affected my eye lid. But you just put up with it. At the end of the second week the area around the spot had gone all white and *****, then when I was changing my dressing the top came off and then the next night the whole centre of the spot came out and left a big flesh red whole big enough to put my little finger in. I kept it covered for another week and a nice clean scab formed at the end of the 4th week I no longer need to keep it covered and I will have very little scaring. The spot itself was like a hard white tick looking thing with a root system underneath.
I am over the moon with the result would recommend this treatment.
Imagine if I had left it how much damage it would have caused on my face and it only took a month to come up I am a massage therapist and mother of three children. Robyn, Queensland, Australia, Gin Gin
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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2010 :  10:15:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, i'm confused, what did you use? The curaderm or the black salve?
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highvibe

9 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2010 :  14:25:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Randolph and Dan, thank you for your posts. I've got BCC on my forhead-- a few years ago I used Curaderm but it never totally went away. It had been growing into a lump like a misquito bite. The doc wanted to cut it out. So I found this site along with the post about adding DMSO to Curaderm. I had a bottle left and I also found a bottle of DMSO with 30% aloevera in my cupboard, so I mixed that in with the proporiotns Dr. Chem from Curaderm suggested. I've been applying it at least 5 x a day for a week now.
The yellow pus started coming out yesterday, and the lump has shrunk considerably, but it started bleeding (alot) today. I read about not letting a scab start, but how do you stop the bleeding without a scab? Just glob on more curaderm? A big line is indented from the top of the bump, so that's probably a root? Anyway, I appreciate any comments. Thanks again for having this forum.
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/22/2010 :  06:20:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HELLO Highvibe: Your BCC sounds as if it is now progressing. Be sure that you keep the area covered with the paper tape as Dr. Cham specifies, it is very important to keep the area moist which should prevent most scabbing. You should be getting some clear discharge too which is the serous liquid coming from the abnormal cells as they destruct. This was puzzling to me for a good while until Dr. Cham explained what was happening.
Stay with it Highvibe, some of these things take time. As I mentioned earlier, the DMSO in the Curaderm assists greatly in the absorbtion and penetration as DMSO is a very effective "carrier". It takes the Curaderm down into deeper territory.

Another point on using Curaderm...when you open a new tube, make sure the Curaderm cream is still intact and not seperated. If you see a clear watery substance come out apart from the white cream, it has seperated because of temperature, etc. which can happen in shipping, especially summertime. Be careful not to let it run out. This must be reconstitued (mixed) with the white cream. If this occurs, follow the reconstitution instructions enclosed where you heat the substance in the tube to 140F for a few minutes and the shake it to get it all back together.

Be well....Randolph
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highvibe

9 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2010 :  14:45:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Randolph, Thanks for your reply. It's been 4 days since my last report and wow that fine line running into my hairline from the bump has turned into a big "crater" the size of a nickel and the bump has evened out.

But with all the wonderful "real life" information I've read here I'm not freaking out because I now know it's part of the healing process, and I'm definitely washing off the area and letting it dry and then globbing more of the Curaderm and DMSO mixutre on top and putting on the tape as instructed, so it doesn't dry out and scab. The yellow discharge just keeps oozing out like you said it would. TOO BAD I DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT 4 YEARS AGO!!!
Anyway, thank you again, I believe I'm in the home stretch to 100% healthy skin. I'm SO GLAD I didn't let the plastic surgeon cut me up because I would now have a big line scar PLUS the crater because there's no way he would have gotten all those cancer cells.

Thanks again.






quote:
Originally posted by randolph

HELLO Highvibe: Your BCC sounds as if it is now progressing. Be sure that you keep the area covered with the paper tape as Dr. Cham specifies, it is very important to keep the area moist which should prevent most scabbing. You should be getting some clear discharge too which is the serous liquid coming from the abnormal cells as they destruct. This was puzzling to me for a good while until Dr. Cham explained what was happening.
Stay with it Highvibe, some of these things take time. As I mentioned earlier, the DMSO in the Curaderm assists greatly in the absorbtion and penetration as DMSO is a very effective "carrier". It takes the Curaderm down into deeper territory.

Another point on using Curaderm...when you open a new tube, make sure the Curaderm cream is still intact and not seperated. If you see a clear watery substance come out apart from the white cream, it has seperated because of temperature, etc. which can happen in shipping, especially summertime. Be careful not to let it run out. This must be reconstitued (mixed) with the white cream. If this occurs, follow the reconstitution instructions enclosed where you heat the substance in the tube to 140F for a few minutes and the shake it to get it all back together.

Be well....Randolph

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highvibe

9 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2010 :  14:52:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello River, I don't know if you saw the post about adding DMSO to the Curaderm to enable it to penetrate. It's working for me! I'm not exactly sure of the ratios right now, but if you search this thread you'll find out what Dr. Chem from Curaderm recommends. Good Luck.



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Originally posted by river

I have been using curaderm on a bcc on my right posteria shoulder for 20 months, its 70cm dia.Im not sure if it is healing, can you give me any info.?

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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2010 :  07:07:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello again Highvibe:
Regarding your BCC, know that the crater is normal and it's likely that it will look worse before looking better initially. This is part of the process. The Curaderm will seek out the abnormal cells subdermally that are commonplace with BCC. Also this of course is why we add the DMSO to act as a carrier for the Curaderm into deeper levels.

About the mixture as recommended by Dr. Cham, it is 9 parts Curaderm to 1 part DMSO. I don't know how it might work if one added more DMSO, but the 9:1 ratio seems to make a good blend thinning the Curaderm some.

I believe now that the reason some are not 100% successful with Curaderm is that the BCC can and does extend subdermally unseen, and without the DMSO as a penetrant and carrier, it does not penetrate deep enough on it's own. In fact Dr. Cham told me that he highly recommends the DMSO blend and the reason he does not add it to the Curaderm is a matter of availability. DMSO is more difficult to obtain for him in Vanuatu which is under Aussie authority and it requires a prescription. Fortunately for us in the USA, DMSO is marketed as a solvent.

I hope this is helpful and best of luck with your lesion.
Be well,
I am Randolph
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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2010 :  09:16:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
randolph, You sound as if you spoke to dr.chan in person.Or did you talk to one of his helpers?
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2010 :  01:21:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI MARSHA:
Are you the same Marsha I talked with at Bionational last year? Regarding Dr. Cham, I have some email correspondence with him occassionally. Normally I conduct most correspondence thru Bruno and he usually consults Bill Cham there in Vanuatu.
Be well,
I am Randolph
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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2010 :  09:09:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Randoph, I am not the one you talked to last year. I have talked to "bruno" a half dozen times, but never to Dr chan.
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2010 :  10:53:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI MARSHA....Bruno seems to be Dr. Cham's right hand man, i.e. secretary, etc. I too have always talked with Bruno mostly until very recently. I think this was because of a very large advanced SCC on my cheek, and when we added DMSO, Dr. Cham took a more personal interest. He was very helpful in telling me about the ratios to use. However I have not been in contact with them for awhile now because I have recently changed over to another treatment strategy (Radiation Hormesis) for this lesion. I am very concerned about it now, it is rather horrible looking @ 3" diameter.

Now at 9 weeks into Radiation Hormesis, the jury is still out because I have seen no tangible signs of improvement although I am told this is normal at this stage. The RH is very slow going (9-12 mo.) and frustrating. I tend to be the type of person that if "it doesn't sting, burn or itch"....I want my money back. Nevertheless they claim a 99% success rate with the RH. We shall see.

With kind regards,
Randolph
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fiesta

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 08/29/2010 :  22:05:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Randolph. I am scheduled for MOHS surgery this Tuesday. I have read your posts and those of others using Efudex. It sounds like curaderm and DMSO is the way to go. However, I am concerned that your own lesion has gotten so out of control while using these products. Does that mean the efficacy ratio is not that great or was your cancer too far along for creams and salves to do the job? I don't want the surgery, I want to use the curaderm. But I don't want to be stupid. I have a BCC in the middle of my forehead just above my frown line. I have had it for about 6 months and just realized 3 weeks ago, that it must be cancer and was diagnosed last tuesday as BCC. It is quite small, about an 1/8th inch in diameter. Am I a good candidate do you think for the cream? My own Dr. immediately said MOHS and never gave me any other option. The surgeon was kind enough to give me the other options but seemed quite MOHS happy, if you know what I mean. She mentioned a cream, but not which one, if Efudex, Curaderm, Aldara or whatever else she had in mind. She said the cream was only 80% effective but I surmise that the rate includes people who don't use the stuff correctly or consistently, meaning that if used 100% as directed the cure rate goes way up? With the surgery less than 2 days away, I am trying to get as much info as possible to make this decision. What are you thoughts?
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2010 :  05:22:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HELLO FIESTA.....In my case, the SCC was already somewhat larger than your BCC now, about the size of your little fingernail visibly. Needless to say I waited far too long to have it looked at, I was far too complacent. When I finally did have the punch biopsy done, it was already showing questionable margins. However I opted for Curaderm then at the great disatisfaction of my excellent surgeon. Frankly I was disowned at this decision.

In all honesty Fiesta, if I could do this again and had I seen about my SCC in the earlier stages, I do think I would have gone on for the surgery. But because I didn't, the surgeon was talking "skin graft" even back then and that was what really deterred me.
....As for Curaderm, I do believe that it will take care of your BCC Fiesta. But keep in mind as with other cancer treatments..."There is no magic bullet!". I also believe now that it is imperative to use the DMSO with the Curaderm especially on an established, diagnosed lesion.

My ordeal started in March 2009, and had I known about DMSO and the blend back then, I think it may have nailed this thing. That was my 1st use of Curaderm and for almost a year I did not have any usable support. Then by time I got more educated on this stuff, my SCC was far advanced. As I'm writing you now, this thing is 3"+ in dia., it drains, it bleeds, it smells horrible, it looks horrible and I cannot believe I have this thing growing on my face. This looks more like something out of a Vincent Price movie, being infected from some alien mutant.

One last note Fiesta...several years ago I did have the surgery on an SCC on my lower lip and it was not that bad. Really! The stick from the novocain needle was the worst part I think. Honest. Keep in mind too that with the surgery, it's a done deal save a week or two to heal, and yes I did have to have it done again 2 years later. Now you can hardly notice the place on my lip and I pay it no mind. My point is don't be afraid of the surgery. But I did not have any real discomfort with either time save for some inconvenience initially. ABOVE ALL FIESTA...GET THAT THING TAKEN CARE OF...NOW.
With best wishes,
Randolph
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fiesta

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2010 :  12:05:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Randolph. I guess I will comply with my referring Dr.'s wishes and the surgeon's. I spoke with my rD this morning and he says my BCC has roots and branches and he is concerned that a cream would not get it all. He assured me that it is still small and will not be an ordeal for me. I think I will just go under the knife and be done with it. As for you, I wish you all the best luck in the world for your situation. Can't you have surgery on it? Shouldn't you?
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randolph

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2010 :  16:27:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI FIESTA....I think you are making the right decision on this. As your Doc says, these things can be ultra deceiving subdermally. I think that too is a lot of what got me into this problem other than initial complacency...not realizing just how big this thing was under the skin where we couldn't see. This is the importance of the margins taken in a biopsy.

As I said I don't think your surgery is going to be bad at all Fiesta. In some of the reading that I do, I believe some people make way more out of it than there really is, that is the "dread" is much worse than the actual procedure. Also when you get it out, it's out of there and you can go on with your life. I've found that Vitamin E oil on the scar will assist in healing time by around 30% and it will be hardly visible in just a few weeks. I may have told you, but in my lip surgery for SCC removal, I never felt one bit of discomfort afterward at all, I never took a pain pill or anything. In fact, my friend who picked me up that morning from the procedure, we went and had breakfast at Denny's and had a good visit. I could not believe it...although the inside stitches were a bit miserable later on.

In my case I'm now considering going to Tulsa, OK and have Laser Hypothermia surgery done which is an outpatient procedure if I can manage it financially. I don't know at this point what I'm looking at in $$$$. Just the lodging is almost prohibitive nowadays.

Maybe they'll keep the light on for me!
Be Well & In Peace.
Randolph
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Heirsolo

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2010 :  17:25:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I come across this video in youtube and hope to share with everyone using Curaderm BEC5.

See link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr3cTJjRfVE
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2010 :  17:37:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UPDATE....

I used Curaderm on my skin cancer. It seemed to be working just fine... however it was slow and required reapplying several times a day.

So I decided to try the Topical Black Salve from Alpha Omega Labs. It cost only $29... and that included the shipping.

The Salve worked perfectly.... left a quarter sized crater in my back ... clean edges... and that filled in completely with almost no scar in two weeks.

When I have more time I'll post photos. But I can say that either product seems to work fine.

In fact... I even used (as someone else recommended) a paste of baking soda and vinegar. THAT also worked to some extent. It ate away about 40% of the cancer that was above the skinline. However it is messy to keep a wet paste on your back AND it felt like someone was stabbing me with a ice pick.
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sandrap

United Kingdom
7 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2011 :  04:59:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a nodular basal cell carcinoma on my left temple, and other basal cell carcinomas, thought to be superficial, on my right side and neck.
I am trying Curaderm - am scheduled for surgery for the BCC on my temple, but as this won't happen for another two months or so, am trying Curaderm nonetheless to see if this has any impact on the nodular type.
Does anyone know if Curaderm is effective against the nodular type? Should I mix it with Orange Oil for better penetration? And if so, would it still be at the 9:1 ratio of curaderm to orange oil?
ALso, it mentions to cover the site with micropore. But the skin on my neck is very senstive, and even though I am using a hypoallergenic cover, I've broken out in a rash. Can I just cover the area with a scarf? Or maybe even clingflim and a scarf?
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vitalgirl

Australia
5 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2011 :  09:30:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks for the info on curaderm/dmso. i'm going to try it with the next tube, though i have had good results so far with just curaderm (and i don't have any scc or bcc, just getting rid of sun spots).

Must say tho' that the pain was quite strong anyway, so i will brace myself this time!
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jrzsurf

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 02/21/2012 :  11:42:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Randolph... I wrote an email to you but it was not allowed.... said something like, "e-mail is not allowed, you have not written enough posts to e-mail another forum member". So here is what I wrote (below) ... if you are Randolph or know Randolph... it would be nice to have an update on your (his) health and what you (he) did.

Hello Randolph,

I have read several of your posts recommending BCE5 creams, including admitting that you started a little late in the game. I do not see where you came back to the forum to update anyone on the surgical intervention you were seriously considering. Concerned, I am writing to see if you are well. What did you do? How is your health?

Best,
Craig

quote:
Originally posted by randolph

HI FIESTA....I think you are making the right decision on this. As your Doc says, these things can be ultra deceiving subdermally. I think that too is a lot of what got me into this problem other than initial complacency...not realizing just how big this thing was under the skin where we couldn't see. This is the importance of the margins taken in a biopsy.

As I said I don't think your surgery is going to be bad at all Fiesta. In some of the reading that I do, I believe some people make way more out of it than there really is, that is the "dread" is much worse than the actual procedure. Also when you get it out, it's out of there and you can go on with your life. I've found that Vitamin E oil on the scar will assist in healing time by around 30% and it will be hardly visible in just a few weeks. I may have told you, but in my lip surgery for SCC removal, I never felt one bit of discomfort afterward at all, I never took a pain pill or anything. In fact, my friend who picked me up that morning from the procedure, we went and had breakfast at Denny's and had a good visit. I could not believe it...although the inside stitches were a bit miserable later on.

In my case I'm now considering going to Tulsa, OK and have Laser Hypothermia surgery done which is an outpatient procedure if I can manage it financially. I don't know at this point what I'm looking at in $$$$. Just the lodging is almost prohibitive nowadays.

Maybe they'll keep the light on for me!
Be Well & In Peace.
Randolph

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Heirsolo

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 03/30/2012 :  17:55:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Study shows that plant extracts from Devilís Apple and Eggplant eliminate melanomas as well as very large nonmelanoma skin cancers. Click link to read: http://curaderms.blogspot.com/2012/03/study-shows-that-plant-extracts-from.html
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bonder

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2012 :  08:12:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings Randolph,

I was wondering if you might look at the pics on the site I built while learning from this forum? scale down to the bottom to tell me if your SCC was smaller or bigger and if it looked similar?

I have a well defined "under island" as I like to say and am currently using orange crystals,DMSO and Gerson diet.

You may gather from the site I have a smaller amount of faith in modern medicine and government than many other men 50 yrs old lol...

Now that my memory is better, I will do my best to come here to visit you.

www.canceramerican.com

Be Well Always,

Bonder
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jrzsurf

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2012 :  11:45:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, has anyone in this forum heard back from Randolph.
Is he well??

Craig
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no1artist

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2012 :  13:45:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How long has it taken those who have used curaderm for a pretty large lesion about the size of a nickel? I keep reading the posts but was curious of those who were successful.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2012 :  14:45:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No1artist

I am an unhappy Curaderm customer so it is impossible for me to give you an unbiased opinion.

Heirsolo sells / promotes Curaderm so IMO is incapable of giving an unbiased opinion of it. Just google Heirsolo curaderm to confirm.

Take the time to read through this thread and I think you can come to your own conclusion but to point out a few of the what would seem advocates in this particular thread, Both Marsha and SuzeQ ended up "trying something else" The other advocate Jada never followed up with whether or not he was successful just that it was ugly and taking to long.

Robstan came here posting once confusingly saying he used Curaderm or Cansema. From his description it sounds like a bloodroot experience but unfortunately his post is useless as we don't know which or what he used.

I am a Bloodroot advocate because I know it works..it's just painful and really strong.

Petty spurge is the latest hot topical and A LOT of people here are having success..and if you can find it growing in your area...IT'S FREE!

These forums are a fantastic resource but as they grow it becomes an ocean of information both good and bad thus making it hard to disseminate fact from fiction...many people come here making fantastic claims with no proof and then fade off into oblivion.

It is very confusing especially for we lay people with no real medical education.

Good Luck making your decision on how to proceed.

Edited by - anivoc on 05/09/2012 14:49:59
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2012 :  21:16:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An update.... I've now used the Amazon Topical Black Salve three times now - each time with great results. I'm using it on a rather benign skin cancer - squamous cell - but I imagine the results would be the same for any type of skin cancer and it sure is cheaper than having it surgically removed.

Everyone has to make their own decisions, of course, but I find it ironic that these simple remedies are illegal to sell here in the US when the very type of surgery used for skin cancer now - "Mohs Surgery" was named after Frederic Mohs, who invented it. His original way of doing that surgery to was cut out most of the skin cancer and use something like the Amazon Topical Salve in the incision to get any remaining cancer that couldn't be seen by the naked eye. It was a good enough method for him to use... and apparently his technique is good enough to emulate.
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