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evienyc
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 Posted - 06/14/2012 : 14:43:33
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Hello,
Has anyone here tried both Cymilium and Petty Spurge? I have been reading through these boards and so far deduced that they both worked for more people than the other things posted here and/or they had less risk of pain and/or scaring and/or recurrence.
I have a bcc on the side of my nose that is recurring after it was biopsied 5 years ago with "clear margins". I really don't want to have Mohs as the dermatologist is recommending. So I grew some Petty Spurge which now has little plants that are about 5 inches tall. Is that big enough? I don't want to break the stem of one only to find it's too small for sap. I have about 7 little plants...
While I was waiting for the Petty Spurge to grow, I bought some Cymilium.
Which should I try first? Any recommendations? Which has the shortest recovery?
Thanks to you all who post here. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 16:55:39
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| I haven't used Cymillium. For Petty Spurge you don't cut the main stem, you snip the little stems the leaves grow out of. Or you can snip a bigger branch if you have them---not likely on a 5" plant. Most people find 1 drop per spot is enough, once or possibly 2X a day for several days or up to a week. So you probably have enough leaves. I use the smooth tip of a metal nail file to get the bead of sap off the plant and onto my face. Recovery time depends on how long you treat it. Looking at some of the photos people have posted will give you an idea. I think it was a couple of weeks until the scabs fell off but more like a month until it looked pink but mostly normal. |
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jazzplayer
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 15:26:51
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Hi, I'm new here. I bought a petty spurge plant on ebay and it was just big enough to treat a very small spot on my face.. and it did work well. I have a spot on the left side of my face about the size of a dime. I really need to treat this quickly. I have some seeds but fear it will take to long to grow and use. Is there "anywhere at all" that I could buy and get shipped to South Texas ASAP? I just need to buy a bigger plant if anyone has one since the ones from Ebay are so small and don't survive the trip well. I feel a large plant will stand a chance. Please help!!
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jimbob68
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Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:41:45
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Hi, I found this site researching a nail fungus I have. I have been glued reading everything. I have 'spots' also, small ones, but never dx. I studied photos from links and believe I have bcc's. I ordered some seeds from Au., couldn't find them on ebay. As I wait for them, I am doing the vit c treatment and will document it.
The fungus connection is very interesting! My toenail fungus started right after a trauma to my foot-an elderly man ran it over w/his lark scooter. The 'spots' appeared after a bad sunburn. I believe that stress/trauma can make these appear.
I am so very happy I found this place. Dr. I SlashForCash probably isn't though;) |
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DaveW
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 17:57:02
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Hi all,
Interesting reading here. I've ordered some seeds from Beautanicals,but was curious if there was anyone in the Houston area that might have had luck growing the plants here. In looking through the thread it seemed there might be some folks locally. Any tips for dealing with our weather here would be appreciated, since it looks like I'm trying to get started at just the wrong time :)
Otherwise, figure I might give this a shot versus rushing to the knife as recommended by the local dermatologist for a nickel sized superficial ulcerated BCC on the shoulder.
Regards,
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thanks01
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Posted - 07/30/2012 : 16:11:33
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Checking in again after some absence. Naturally, went to my favorite thread - Petty Spurge. I am currently using it for a spot on my chest which developed since my last posting, so I'll try to come back with a progress report.
My comments to those trying to grow PS: Remember - COOL, DAMP, Mostly SHADY. I have managed to get a little self-seeding "perennial" plot in a shady spot, which returned this spring. It almost did not die out, until we got the last frosts. Also, if you grow it inside, study the shelf or surface around the pot. If you refrain from dusting, you will find the ejected seeds there. My original seeds came from Australia and I live in New England. |
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evienyc
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Posted - 08/25/2012 : 15:56:29
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Hi Everyone,
I want to share my story in case it's helpful. I had a recurring BCC on the side of my nose. It was first biopsied in 2007 by a plastic surgeon who got "clear margins". Over the past few years, what I at first thought was a little scar tissue, turned out to be the bcc that had grown back. In April, after he did a biopsy, my dermatologist recommended Mohs. I didn't want to because I had seen a woman who was disfigured by Mohs. My research led me to this website and I grew a Petty Spurge plant. I used the sap for about 9 days at which point a scab had formed and did not seem to be getting bigger. After the scab fell off, I could see that the bcc was still there. I did another round of alternating Petty Spurge and Cymillium until the scab seemed to be done growing. After it fell off, I saw that not only was the bcc still there, but it was growing tentacles. There are different kinds of bccs and apparently mine was the kind that looks whitish on the surface, like a scar, but grows underneath. Somewhere I read that there's a faster rate of growth on some kinds of bccs when they've been disrupted by biopsies. I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery. So far it looks like the scar will heal well and be unnoticeable... |
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 08/25/2012 : 20:14:27
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I've actually not heard of the petty spurge not working where Mohs did. Seeds were legitimate Euphorbia Peplus and not something close like Peplis?
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anivoc
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Posted - 08/26/2012 : 10:52:38
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Originally posted by evienyc
I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery.
It is a shame that Petty spurge did not work...To clarify you mention that the first biopsy the derm saw clean margins...The only way to know if they were clean is if he looked at them under a microscope which IS what they do in mohs surgery. That's the catch...With Mohs or with the alternatives...there are no guarantees only improved chances. I've had both Mohs and alternative removals reoccur and I have alternative and traditional removals that were permanently successful..at least 10 years so far permanent anyway..
Here's a link to a good site on the various types of BCC..
http://dermnetnz.org/lesions/basal-cell-carcinoma.html
Hope the best of results on the outcome of your latest surgery. |
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dolfan
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Posted - 09/06/2012 : 19:23:32
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DaveW
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 21:39:02
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Hi all,
Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them.
So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS?
Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
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Brigid
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 22:41:24
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Give them more time---a couple of months to get big enough to transplant. Keep them in an air conditioned room, as cool as possible, not right in front of the AC. Soil: 1/3 topsoil, 1/3 sand, 1/3 vermiculite mixed all together. Light: a bright north or east facing window is enough. South or West windows is too much sun at this point. Water very sparingly or just mist until they're bigger. They don't like damp feet.
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Originally posted by DaveW
Hi all,
Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them.
So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS?
Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Dave
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DaveW
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Posted - 09/13/2012 : 05:48:10
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Hi Brigid, thanks for the suggestions on growing them. I'll try it with some of the remaining seeds. I was hoping to track down a source in part due to the timing. Unfortunately we've hit our deductible this year with some issues with my wife's health, so the surgical option to remove the superficial BCC wouldn't run nearly so much. I'd rather give this a shot before going under the knife, but need to give the process time to work and still have time to schedule a surgery if it doesn't. So, if someone had a plant they were willing to part with, it would let me try this first :)
Regards,
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willwill
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Posted - 10/04/2012 : 17:32:54
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I have been following this thread for quite some time and wanted to share my experience, perhaps it can be of some help to someone.
I am 60 years old and have pretty badly sun damaged skin. I have had some very severe sunburns. I've been having bcc's removed since I was 30, probably 15-20. I also have large numbers of actenic keratoses on my face, especially on my forehead & nose. Years ago I went through treatment with Efudex. It did a pretty good job, especially on my forehead, but it was torture. After a while I couldn't take it anymore.
The last time I was diagnosed with bcc,about ten years ago, the doctors insisted I undergo MOHS surgery. They cut off a good sized chunk of my nose. When they took off the bandages, I almost died. It was completely disfiguring. Fortunately I still had insurance which covered reconstructive surgery, but it still left a pretty ugly scar.
For the past few years the actenic keratosis has been appearing again, most notably on my nose. At the site of the MOHS, there was a spot that wouldn't heal, it would just bleed spontaneously. I didn't get it diagnosed, but I've had enough experience to know that it was probably a bcc.
I no longer have insurance and cannot afford to go to the doctor, much less surgery. After hearing about a new "wonder" drug for sun damaged skin, I investigated and wound up here. I was unable to obtain any plants, so I got the seeds from Beautnicals.
I got one of those seed starter kits from Home Depot. All the seeds I planted germinated, but they are very delicate and only three survived. It took all summer to get them to a usable size. They now seem to have reseeded themselves and there are quite a few seedlings growing in the bottom of the pots.
When you cut off the leaf from the stem, there is the tiniest little bead of sap. I collected it, as another contributor suggested, with the point of an artist's brush and applied it to the spots.
Over the course of the next few days the treated areas blistered up, kind of like sunburn. The site of the previous MOHS reacted the most violently. It wasn't really painful, just kind of irritated. A few days after, everything scabbed over.
Today, after about three weeks, the last of the scabs came off. It's all gone. At the site of the suspected bcc, there is a bit of a crater, but it seems as if it will fill in. Needless to say, I'm elated.
When I think about how hard I fought against having the MOHS (and how hard the doctors fought FOR it), it makes me sort of angry. Out of all the cancers I've had removed, this is the only one that returned.
And the idea that someone can buy the rights to something that grows wild, make it illegal for anyone else to have it and then charge $800.00 a dose is obscene.
I think we've all been conditioned to the idea that the mainstream medical community is always right and has nothing but our best interests at heart. I'm not saying that they don't, but stuff like this makes you wonder sometimes.
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 10/04/2012 : 23:52:19
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OK, is anyone desperate enough to try the technique of mashing the leaves in order to get the sap? (Read old posts in this thread for the technique.) I have small (6" high) plants with developed seeds in Spokane, WA and will overnight mail the newly pulled plant to you via USPS fast mail (you choose and pay the cost.) Sap from these plants works right after they're pulled, I know. I dunno if sap exudes freely from the plant after it has been uprooted, soil washed off the roots and put in a plastic bag to travel. You do the research on it and assume all the risks. I'm the Good Samaritan, don't blame me if this doesn't work.
I have had an eBay feedback rating of 100% since 1998 and will accept Paypal or USPS money order for the postage plus nominal packing/handling. In exchange you get a formerly live plant with developed seeds and you agree to share your experience with this forum. At the worst you should be able to plant the seeds and grow your own.
I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them.
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bright1
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 03:23:02
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| Hi, I wanted to come back here a year after successful treatment of a bcc on my face to say how grateful I am to the many posters on this thread. Your shared experiences gave me such great courage at a time when I felt terribly alone and scared. I have as yet had no re-occurrence of the bcc and my dermatologist was pretty confident that it had been completely excised by the petty spurge applications. I now have a permanent (slight and irregular shaped)depression in my skin leading away from the original site of the nodule right across my cheek just under my cheek bone about three inches long. I believe this was the extent of the cancer as it was the area that 'lit up' a bright beetroot red with the original application. I am so happy to have found petty spurge which is now allowed to grow wantonly in my garden and which I address lovingly every time I see a new seedling appear. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my original mail and to all who have experimented with PS and added their success stories for others to benefit. God bless. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 08:41:31
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Tom I am finding this stuff growing all over the San Gabriel Valley and saw some down in Encinitas last week. I had several nice ones growing in a patch behind my garage but too direct exposure to sun so summer killed them..
Yesterday I was across the street talking to my neighbor and there several growing in his front yard planter.
Point being for us here in Cali the gettin is good all over the place.
To date only the sap has been used as a treatment..I am curious/ suspect there may be other ways to get the active ingredient out of the plant.. certainly if the plant dies the active ingredient is still in the plant...( maybe the ingredient becomes ineffective by I doubt it) just my thoughts on it. I have a dozen or so dried up plants in the back yard to experiment with...
At this time I am trying a few other protocols ( vitamin c) ( the caffeine and red clover mix that a poster spoke of having remakable results with)...for me...so far.. not near the good results of petty spurge or blood root paste |
Edited by - anivoc on 10/05/2012 12:19:50 |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:10:32
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Anivoc, I too found this weed growing without care and just a little water now and then, plus part sun and afternoon shade. In Spokane, WA. The most mature plants are turning yellow and finally have started throwing seeds. Since there is plenty I am offering still green plants to registered users of this site, paying it forward.
I'm not certain about collecting seeds, will know soon if my seed collecting method is working. I don't quite understand why people have to order seeds from Australia when the seeds are readily available for collecting here in The US.
An anonymous person in Florida sent me seeds but I had the usual problems germinating and growing up the seedlings. Finally got one mature plant. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:30:53
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Bright1...what an awesome report back..
Don't know if you did but Pictures are SOOOOO helpful in giving others coming here the proof and thus the courage to try something other than what their doctors will tell them to do..I am noticing more derms are coming to be more open to other methods but there are still many that will actually use scare tactics (Very possibly in sincere concern that you would be making a mistake using these alternative) to get you not to try these other ways to treat.
I know it's weird putting pictures of an ugly wound on your face on the internet..If it wasn't for the brave people before me, I probably would have never tried the bloodroot paste that I used. Because of that I took pictures and posted mine and have been thanked hundreds of times since for doing so.
If you did take pictures post them.. |
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bright1
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 10:33:39
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| Hi Anivoc, sorry I didn't take any pictures. I wish I had now but at the time I was too scared to even look in the mirror much less commit what I saw to permanent record. It looked horrific but fortunately I was treating in the summer and a pair of oversized sunglasses covered it nicely. |
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BBirdz
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 15:15:03
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I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!! |
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dolfan
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 18:19:11
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| I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:02:04
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I recently used PS for the first time with a similar reaction. I do not have to appear in public so appearance was not a concern. Even so, it was difficult to clean off the wounds every day and re-apply the PS once a day. I did so for 3 days and got good results. My face was a mess with the wounds, redness and swelling but it killed all but my oldest BCs, some being 20 years old. I believe I might have gotten complete results if I had re-applied twice a day to the open wounds as others have recommended.
I plan to do another course of PS twice a day for 3 days on the remaining BCs.
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Jilly
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 23:16:13
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Hi there,
What I did was apply once a day in the morning and leave on until the night. I did NOT sleep with it on for fear it may rub off in my eyes. After the 4th day the immuno response kicked in. I of course thought I had a massive infection. The pain was an intense throbbing which I took as my signal to stop applying. It was just too painful. I was also pretty freaked out that I thought it might be infected so I applied antibiotic ointment and burn cream (for 2nd degree burns silverdeen or something like that) at night. It cleared up pretty quick. I then did reapplications every six weeks for a total of 3 or 4 more times following the same protocol. On the 4th day of applying the PS the tumor did fall off leaving a oozing large area which I thought to be infected though it wasnt. Hope that helps. quote:
Originally posted by dolfan
I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also
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sunni
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Posted - 11/08/2012 : 06:09:16
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Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them.
Tom
Hi Tom,
How can I contact you about the seeds?
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Jilly
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Posted - 11/08/2012 : 13:37:58
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Hi there,
I have seeds if you need them.
Cheers,
Jilly
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Originally posted by sunni
quote:
Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them.
Tom
Hi Tom,
How can I contact you about the seeds?
Thanks
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Mr Pig
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Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:54:21
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| HI there, I just wanted to tell you my story, I have a BCC that I have had on my nose for many years approx 15 had it looked at by several DRs, as it kept scabbing up not that you could ever see it much as it was kind of clear and flaky and would leave a very small red pin dot when it came off, But the Drs never told me it was a BCC It was my reasearch. Anyway I tried the PS and straight away it reddend up like sunburn I applied it x2 a day for 3 - 4 days and it scabbed up and eventually came off, ( hated going to work like that lol) and hey it went for the first time in many years went for about two months and now its come back so I am now trying round two. I welcome your comments. :) |
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Mr Pig
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Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:56:39
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| By the way It grows like a weed here, very easy to find. |
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rhall85286
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:09:54
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Originally posted by janagain
I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort.
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rhall85286
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:19:06
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| I would like to know who in the Phoenix area is growing the Petty Spurge plant. I contacted the AZ extension service at the UofA but they have little or no experience with this weed. Is there a source of this plant in Arizona? |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/25/2013 : 08:24:09
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Hello,
I'm so encouraged to read about petty splurge. I've got a suspected bcc that's been there for over ten years, so surgery would be hideous. Consequently I want to try this first.
However, I'm in London and I can't find anyone in the Uk who sells the plant or the seeds. I know it's a common weed but I don't trust myself to just go out and identify it (plus I live in London, limited green spaces.)
Can someone help me please? I'd be so grateful. Is there anyone in the Uk who could mail me some seeds? I'd pay for the postage and be so so grateful! |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:00:42
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Hello again.
So I'm scheduled for a biopsy on my chin for suspected bcc on the 5th. I'm so sure that it's bcc that I'm almost reluctant to go, as I'm collecting a petty spurge off a gardener friend on Friday and I'm tempted to just start treating it.
But I imagine this is the right thing to do, to get absolute confirmation from the doctors first?
Any opinions from those who have had biopsies? Has anyone just started treating without a biopsy?
Many thanks,
Lindsay |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:49:56
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| By the way, I'm based in London, so if there are any UK sufferers who need help getting seeds, I should be able to help soon. I get my plant on Friday from my gardener friend, and assuming my non-green fingers don't kill it too quickly, I' will see what I can do with regards to harvesting seeds. This forum has certainly reassured me a lot, and am happy to help others. |
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llfrog
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Posted - 03/01/2013 : 21:36:25
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Hello Mike,
I know it has been a long time since you posted the offer for the seeds. If you still have some please let me know. I would like to get some from you. I live in East Tenn. So you can let me know what you have to have for them.
Thanks!
Bobby
My e-mail is b-mp@juno.com (Thanks Again)
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi All:
Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!)
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Brigid
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Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:08:45
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quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
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Brigid
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Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:32:06
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I've treated 3 X with PS and have felt a little under the weather each time. Being weak from surgery and then using the PS might have taxed your system--you would have had fewer reserves to throw off the bcc. And I think the type that's called invasive BCC can come back. For that reason, I'm a believer in biopsies, although it may (or may not) be true that biopsies spread the cancer.
I feel sqeamish about pulling scabs off too. Wonder if there's a homeopathic remedy or herb for sqeamishness. Probably! (But many herbs take 6 weeks to work.) Also if you have burning pain from the PS, homeopathic belladonna from a health store helps. Maybe, less pain, less sqeamishness? In my experience so far (diagnosed about 6 years ago) building up immunity has helped to keep the cancer in check. And I apply topical coconut and neem oil when it flares up.
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Originally posted by BBirdz
I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
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susanc
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 00:55:21
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I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 03/19/2013 : 08:31:02
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Hello. Writing to update on my progress.
My petty spurge plants are very small at the moment. I got a bit impatient so crushed up a vt C tablet and applied to my chin where the bcc is. The bcc is superficial, flaky and never-healing and about 9mm by 2mm.
Anyway, the next day it had turned black, was about 20% larger than before, weeping liquid that was a bit black/red, my chin had swollen up, and my left 'jowl' had swollen too. The swelling had even pushed my lower lip up on one side, so that i looked a bit fed up (which was pretty accurate.) The gland under my chin was sore as well.
I got most of the black off my chin, which wasn't easy because it was flush with my face, it wasn't sticking out like a scab. I put vt C on again and it stung like mad and turned black again.
So then I decided to use my tiny petty spurge plants, as the stinging and ever-growing black area was getting alarming and I thought petty spurge might sting less.
The area was now about as big as a ten pence piece (about 2cm diameter) and the inflammation was very circular, although the black area was more raggedy shaped amd ovoid. I got off as much of the black as possible (which wasn't at all like a scab, as what I pulled off felt like slightly harder skin, sort of like toughened elastic, so I believe it was necrotic flesh), and I applied a tiny amount of petty spurge sap. Literally the size of about four pin-heads of sap. I then put the leaves on the wound and a bandage over the top. At this point, I was still swollen, and the area was tender and weeping.
So, the petty spurge certainly didn't hurt, not like the vit C. When I took the bandage off the next day, the top half of the circle had turned white and was very wet looking. The lower area was scabbed, like a normal wound.
i pulled off the scab and the white area was attached, so that came with it. This was a bit sore, amd a couple of small areas bled slightly. the flesh underneath is pink raw with loads of little white heads visible. Absolutely loads of them, covering almost the whole of the 10 pence piece sized area. Does anyone know what these are?
The raw area has a couple of slight dents where it looks like the vit C / sap has eaten away, but at the moment it's not very deep. I'm surprised, as my bcc is over ten years old. I applied more tiny amounts of sap and covered with a bandaid.
I'm halfway through day 4 of treatment (2 days of vit C, two days of sap), so I wonder if it'll go deeper.
Can anyone give me their opinion on the white dots, and why there are so many of them? Also any advice on what I can expect next?
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ruby
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Posted - 03/19/2013 : 16:34:25
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My diagnosed basal cell looked like white dots when I took the scab off.
So its one good guess that you are seeing the BCC.
When I use orange oil on BCC, it does sting alot and gets very red. I would let it alone for some days before adding another treatment to give it time to do some work.
Also, back a few years, I had a spot on my face biopsied and confirmed as BCC. It started to grow back after the biopsy and got raised and pearl- like, so I hit it with Petty Spurge which made it go away- now going on 2.5 years. I mentioned to another dermatologist that I had some BCC but did a natural treatment. He pressed me on what I did and I finally told him about the Petty Spurge. He insisted that it was the biopsy that got rid of it. I just didn't bother to argue. |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 03/20/2013 : 03:57:34
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Thanks for the quick reply Ruby. Where was your bcc? How long did it take fr the white dots to disappear?
I just wondered if they might be pores that get filled with pjs because of the healing process. But you think it's the bcc itself? Should I pick them out, do you think? |
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ruby
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Posted - 03/22/2013 : 11:57:13
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As far as I understand, those white dots are the bcc itself. Not filled pores. The bcc has roots, so you are just seeing the visible top part. The oetty spurge will aim to follow the bcc all the way down. I didn't get all of mine on the first round of treatment, But its OK to wait a while and try again (meaning if you see something growing back). Or as this forum has educated me, you can apply orange oil and the skin will light up showing the white areas where there is bcc present.
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kate
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Posted - 04/22/2013 : 06:53:48
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| HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS! |
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Brigid
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Posted - 04/26/2013 : 06:21:12
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I also treated a spot on my leg. In the morning applied the sap by cutting a leaf right at the tiny stem that joins it to a small branch. I put that on the tip of a metal nail file and applied it to the leg. Then because trousers would have rubbed away and absorbed the sap that I want to stay on, I covered it with a bit of gauze and tape until the evening, then applied sap again and covered it again for the night. After about a week of this, the spot was gone and never came back. It took months for the pink skin to become the same color as the rest of my leg. Bt it did. You can re-apply the sap again, but I like to wait til the skin is healed to re-apply.
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HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS!
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mrosen
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:19:33
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Originally posted by susanc
I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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mrosen
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:22:01
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Originally posted by susanc
I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
