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mrosen

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2013 :  12:49:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc, i wanted to let u know i was able to pick up lab report from DErms office today...Diagnosis: SKIN BIOPSY,Left Nasolabial Fold- Basal Cell Carsinoma...thats all it says? There is no BCC type listed. I tried calling the lab directly but they refered me back to DErm Doc. So in terms of finding out if i have one of the BCC subtypes that the PEPLIN TRIAL doc mentioned Petty Spurge wouldnt work on ...I dont know? Maybe the trials were set up and conducted to market a product for only superfiscial issues at this point? People are using the sap directly here and some for longer or more frequently with some success on what assume are not all superfiscial BCC but go deeper? Anyones thoughts on this would be appreciated...Thanks Mrosen
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anivoc...Actually let me clarify, the derm doc said my biopsy report just says BCC and when i go for the MOHS they will find out what kind it is? I am going to go to derms office monday to get report anyway and call lab directly to see what info they have? anivoc..you had some MOHS done? Around nose area? Thanks for info Mark

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redman9

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2013 :  13:44:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just found forum thread today. Joined up. Have used PS (found after much googling) found growing in mother's backyard by the ton, in Petaluma, CA. I live in Hollywood. I have not found it locally ...yet. I brought back a large shallow pot that I packed full of mature PS plants on my last visit to see my mom. I have used the sap on quadrants of my face. One section at a time. I heal very quickly and one week is all it takes from application to new skin. Maybe 8 days... I LOVE this plant! I have LOTS of ruined skin from living in Mexico for 8 years, young and dumb, without any sunscreen etc. I am of Irish descent. 'Nuff said. My plants have now gone to seed, turning yellow, getting gangly, etc. I will attempt to repot with some of the same soil and see if I can get them to regrow here in the LA heat/summer. Guess I'll snap some pics to help others as I am always so appreciative when others do so.
Note: Some of my worst areas bubbled up a lot, and had whitish raised "spots" or odd little shaped areas. I can only guess that these areas were the most cancerous as they reacted the most and took the longest to heal, revealing much deeper damage than the surrounding skin, which seemed to be just "turniing over" like a skin peel. Anyway, I have done left cheek, left side above that, left half of forehead, and am on third day and application on right side of forehead. My plants are about sapless now so I will have to wait to continue. I plan on doing my neck, shoulders, and forearms, as sap permits. I also just bought 90 seeds from Beautanicals. Why not? Will keep posting as time and updates occur.
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mrosen

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2013 :  11:37:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just following up on some of my previous posts wondering if anyone out there knows of anyone succesfully using PS on Basal Cell Carcinoma that was a more infiltrative type? I noticed that svanip had success and his was multifocal superfiscial BCC,My BCC area looks different and covers a larger area maybe the size of a nickle where there is AK and now BCC.Also i believe Waverider has had success on superfiscial BCC?Its hard to get info as some have left forum and i dont know what outcomes were and weather they new if they were treating a more invasive BCC with the PS? MY BCC area is very angry right now i think all this stress and anxiety is making it worse...i need to start moving forward on some type of treatment and may start VITC paste(dmso?)at least i think it may hold BCC area till i can get some PS or get MOHS (which i am trying to avoid)The iodine looks interesting also...My BCC goes around my left nasolabial fold which is under left nostral(and against)and wraps around left side. Mrosen
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D23

3 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2013 :  12:41:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by willwill
I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy.
As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden.

I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint).

I would love to get some Petty Spurge seed if still available.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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D23

3 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2013 :  03:33:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess willwill only has plants.
Would anyone be able to send me some Petty Spurge seed?
Will send SASE right away.
Can also send some herb / garden seed along with if you like.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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Thomas Haugen

USA
94 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2013 :  09:04:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To get seeds, email me through this forum (click on my name).

Tom
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D23

3 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2013 :  09:55:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
To get seeds, email me through this forum (click on my name).
Tom
Hey Tom,
That was actually the first thing I tried, but there is no contact link in your profile.
"My Contact Info
No info specified..."
So hopefully you can click on the contact link in my profile.
Thanks
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Thomas Haugen

USA
94 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2013 :  10:37:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, now set to receive email.

Tom
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2013 :  08:12:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just started using Petty Spurge on a Nodular BCC on the top edge of my lower eyelid. After 4 weeks of using a 5% iodine solution and then 2 weeks using a 28% solution with disappointing results I thought it was time to try something else.

10 hours after my first application of Petty Spurge sap the whole lower eyelid area swelled up. I was very careful to only apply the sap to the very lowest edge of the suspect area in order to keep it away from the eye.

It is now day 2 and the eye looks frightening with the previously described "peperonie" skin, and areas of pus have formed. In addition the BCC itself has become painful to the touch. Three pics below show before starting iodine, after 6 weeks of iodine and on day 2 of Petty Spurge.



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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2013 :  08:19:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I forgot to mention that I have been experiencing a slight nausea since starting the Petty Spurge, as if my stomach has been upset and with frequent burping. I think I read earlier in this thread of someone else experiencing this too.
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mrosen

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2013 :  08:42:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trueson...Great pics thanks for posting this...it cetainly helps others trumendously..Is the 3rd pic the petty spurge?I am also very interested in that you said you have had some naseau or stomach issues? Please continue to update...Thanks !
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I forgot to mention that I have been experiencing a slight nausea since starting the Petty Spurge, as if my stomach has been upset and with frequent burping. I think I read earlier in this thread of someone else experiencing this too.

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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2013 :  04:45:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes third pic is Petty Spurge.

I applied another dose last night and it has really gone to work today! It is getting a bit painful actually, like a small bullant bit me on the eyelid. Its even jumped over to the upper eyelid, probably while I was sleeping and the eyelids were together. As long as it does what it is supposed to I am not complaining though. It has travelled right up to the edge of the lower eyelid now. Amazing stuff!

Day three pic attached below.



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mrosen

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2013 :  05:50:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
trueson...your probably right about eyelids touching...PLEASE BE CAREFUL. Are u done treating with sap? Also, are u still experiencing naseau and stomach(or other)issues in regards to sap use? Thanks for the continued updates.
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Originally posted by trueson

Yes third pic is Petty Spurge.

I applied another dose last night and it has really gone to work today! It is getting a bit painful actually, like a small bullant bit me on the eyelid. Its even jumped over to the upper eyelid, probably while I was sleeping and the eyelids were together. As long as it does what it is supposed to I am not complaining though. It has travelled right up to the edge of the lower eyelid now. Amazing stuff!

Day three pic attached below.



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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2013 :  06:11:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks mrosen-yes I will be careful. I think I'll stop any further applications now and see how it progresses. It's so vigorous at the moment that I don't think it needs any further encouragement.

The nausea is most intense just after I apply the sap. But it's not really bad at all, it's just that I am aware it's there. At the moment I can feel it a tiny bit if I focus but nothing to worry about.
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2013 :  07:56:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A strange thing happened today. For the last few years I have noticed that when I go out to walk in a cold wind my right eye starts tearing up from the cold. My left eye stays dry.

Well today I went for a walk and after a while my right eye started to tear up again and it just kept on going and going and going. And it started to sting like crazy. I sat down and covered my eye to protect it but nothing would help so I had to walk home and it continued to tear up and sting for the next 3 1/2 hours. Very strange and painful. It felt like the eye was being irritated which caused it to tear up but the tears themselves rather than soothe the irritation, only caused further irritation-like my tears themselves were irritating.

Its settled down alot but still not perfect 6 hours later. I have no idea why this happened but I wonder if the Petty Spurge has found it's way into the tear ducts and 'polluted' them. Or, even more scarey, maybe the PS found some cancer in my tear ducts. Or maybe my eye went through some sort of healing crisis.

Pic below is from day four (sorry it's scarey). The PS seems to have found cancer in my top eyelid where I had no idea I had it. If I had gone ahead with having it cut out it looks like alot of it would have been left behind and required further surgery in the near future. Also it has gone all the way to the very top edge of my lower eyelid. All in all it's travelled about 1 inch from where I applied it.

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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2013 :  15:56:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trueson...

Brave soldier dude... I am curious about the upper eye lid....It really doesn't make sense to me that you would have skin cancer there. IF I am looking at the pictures right this is in an area where the fold is and the part that is white is in the middle of that fold...That area would get very little UV exposure unless you fell asleep in the sun and got a really bad burn...guess that could have happened but that area seems suspicious to me...

I am wondering if while you are asleep you might be rubbing your eyes because they hurt or itch and transferring the petty spurge up to the upper eye lid...

The next question is will petty spurge have an effect on your healthy skin....

The only way to know is to try it on an area that never gets sun and for sure is healthy skin...I usually do this on my upper thigh..
I would suggest seeing if petty spurge give you a reaction on healthy skin...

You could just be more sensitive to it than others...kind of like poison oak effects some people and has no effect on others ( like me)

Just hate seeing you going through the pain if all it is is a allergic reaction. If you do get a reaction on the known healthy skin area I would cover the area on the lower eyelid at night so you can't spread it around...

Just my thoughts on your situation...take it for what it's worth...

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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2013 :  17:19:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Anivoc, thanks for your thoughts. You make a good point. I have assumed that anywhere that pus has formed is a pocket of cancer, and believe from previous posts that PS seeks out cancer areas and attacks them which I thought would cause pus. Perhaps I am wrong to assume this but I thought this is how PS works. An area of pus has also now formed right on the edge of my lower eyelid at the little 'V' in my eyelid which is the top edge of the BCC. I guess the end result will tell me if this is correct.

Re the possibility I am having an alergic reaction: this is possible but when I first brought my plant home I applied a drop of sap to an area on my face between my eye and my ear, an area my doctor said was pre-cancerous. I left it overnight and there was absolutely no reaction-I couldn't even see where I had applied it. This gave me the green light to try it on my eyelid.

After I first applied the PS to an area at the lowest edge of what is now the main scab, the PS quickly travelled 'North' towards my eye and created a big area of pus just under my eye at the exact place of the BCC and under it but nowhere else. It could have travelled 'South' or 'East' or 'West' but it made a bee-line for my eye. This has led me to believe that it 'seeks out' cancerous tissue.

Your other point about why I would have cancer on my top eyelid: good call - I can only think that as a child and teenager I would lie in the sun for hours with my eyes closed, sometimes on the flat tin roof of our house and received many burns that way as my skin is fair. Maybe this was enough to produce cancer in my later years, I don't know (my doctor believes this is so). My eye is normally not so puffy and my top eyelid would have got a fair amount of sun this way. But I would be happy if this is not so.

I agree that the PS was probably transfered to my top eyelid while I was sleeping by being in contact with my lower eyelid or maybe by me rubbing my eye.

By the way all tearing up from my right eye has now stopped but I won't be taking any more walks in the cool evening air any time soon! :)
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willwill

USA
9 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2013 :  18:43:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is my understanding that Petty Spurge can cause blindness if you get it in your eye. I would be very careful about getiing it anywhere near there.
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2013 :  22:20:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Willwill. Yes I have been very careful not to get any of the actual sap into my eye and thats why I applied it 1/2 inch or so from the eye. It has travelled itself inside the skin up to the edge of my eye and so far (apart from the strange experience yesterday)does not seem to have irritated the eye.

I am heartened by the earlier posts by SoFl who also used it carefully near his/her eye without ill effect. In the future I would use no more than one part-drop of sap per day on my face as this seems to be plenty to get a reaction happening.

Edited by - trueson on 06/08/2013 22:23:23
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2013 :  17:16:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a quick update: my eyelid is healing nicely and I am hopeful that the PS has found and addressed all of the BCC but I won't know for sure for a few more days. No more problems with the eye itself being effected by the PS either. Will post again soon.



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anivoc

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Posted - 06/11/2013 :  19:12:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking REAL promising

Fingers crossed!
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casunlover

USA
9 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2013 :  18:45:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How do I get undamaged petty spurge seeds, in the mail? Is there some place I could order where I'd have a better chance? Thanks
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/18/2013 :  08:24:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks anivoc. Unfortunately the Petty Spurge hasn't really worked. The face is all healed up now and the PS has done some good but has not removed the whole of the BCC on the very edge of the eyelid.

There seems to be two parts to my BCC-the outer Nodular part and the inner BCC which is white and pearl-like and like a hard lump. The PS has done a reasonable job on the outer but hasn't touched the inner.

I'm running out of options now. I will do another round of PS but I have also booked in to see an Anthroposophical doctor with a view to getting some Iscador or misletoe injections which create a fever in the body which helps to attack the cancer. I have also booked in for the eyelid surgery but will cancel or postpone this if something else works. I might also see a homeopath. It's late here now so I will post some pictures later.

Edited by - trueson on 06/18/2013 08:25:57
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 06/18/2013 :  08:39:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Trueson

Sorry to hear the bad news....

It's coincidental that we have two people treating eyelids at the same time..
Nunga48's experience is worth looking at as an option....gutsy..scary... but an option
Bloodroot is NOT for the faint of heart but....
here's a link check it out for consideration.....
http://topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1573
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/19/2013 :  04:11:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks for the information anivoc. Much appreciated! I had lost touch with what others were doing on the forum being absorbed by my own trials. I have just posted a question over there. Thanks again.
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peterjm1003

Australia
11 Posts

Posted - 06/30/2013 :  00:18:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Trueson

Ouch!!

One of the main reasons I advise patients to have a proper check and advice from their doctor before starting something like this.
I am an Australian skin cancer doctor - and I approve of people using topical treatment - if they are informed and that is what they want - anything on the head and neck - especially eyelids is fraught with danger.

I have a specialist eyelid surgeon that I refer these to - because its clear from the photo that this has extension around the palpebral margin. The reaction on the top lid is due to midline crease irritation - almost certainly not from any additional cancer.

Using petty Spurge sap directly, I would limit to actinic keratoses or what look like superficial BCCs or IEC, in other words same sort of application as efudix / aldara etc. Again avoiding anything within 5 mm or sometimes more of eyelids, nostrils, lips. The advantage of spurge, or (ingenol mebutate / Picato) is it only needs one or two applications.

Also you probably are making an assumption that this is only a nodular BCC. From my experience, at least 30 % of these will be mixed sub-type - so you may have micronodular, sclerosing or morpheoform BCC in there. If these invasive subtypes are not removed, the recurrence will be horrendous and you could need a complete new eyelid. Unfortunatley if you live in the US and are not insured it will cost you a lot to get definitive treatment for this - whereas in Australia, it probably only cost you the time to get a review and biopsy from me and a trip to see my surgeon who also works for no gap payment.

Good luck with it anyway - I would suggest have the surgery and be done with it and forget about homeopaths and other quackery

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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 06/30/2013 :  08:10:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Peterjm1003. Three posts ago I wrote that my BCC seems to have two different parts. I have seen two GPs and one specialist eye surgeon about my BCC, none of whom told me that it was more than one type of BCC - I had to discover it myself.

Thanks for the info about the upper eyelid - it sounds to me like that is a plausible explanation.

I realise that treating skin near the eye is dangerous but I don't think that should necesarily stop you from treating it as long as you are very careful, as the link below shows. As many forum members here have attested to, just because you have a BCC sugically removed doesn't mean thats the end of the story as it seems that in many cases the BCC returns.

http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1573

Finally, I don't believe Homeopaths and Anthroposophical doctors (who are licensed medical doctors) are "quacks". Have you investigated their methods with an open mind, and preferably experienced their treatment first hand? I have, and I have had impressive results.

Maybe my error was to not consult them first before trying these topical treatments. One of the Anthropsophical doctors' main treatments for cancer is mistletoe which apparently is used in 60% of cancer treatments in Europe, either seperately or together with conventional medical treatments. There is a wealth of double blind trials on the effectiveness of mistletoe.

Anyway thank you for the good wishes.

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Thrivalista

USA
5 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2013 :  23:27:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to SoFL and all the others who've shared their experiences using (and growing) Petty Spurge.

What worked (for me):
It was following the suggestion of lifting the scab to re-apply the sap and laying the dampened leaf across the spot after "sapping" and before bandaging, that finally did the trick for a flat shiny spot that refused to soften and dissolve (and that came back after last year's faster response to treatment).

And how:
I've also noticed that spots take a long time to clear on me, as they have for some others. Maybe these (non-biopsied) spots aren't "the right kind" of BCCs? But some here have had success treating warts, age spots, nevis (?sp) and even at least one melanoma w/PS, so maybe that's where PS's caustic nature does the trick. It cleared a mole for me last year that I'm 99.5% certain was not cancerous.

It'd be great to know more from the doc who said there were 3 BCC sub-types that PS didn't work on. It'd be useful to know the maximum treatment time that conclusion was based on. If they didn't treat those sub-types for more than 3 days, it's unclear how they can be sure the PS wouldn't be effective with a longer course.

Side effects:
As some others have experienced, I get fatigued when treating the spots. My guess is that it's because I have an auto-immune disorder (of which fatigue is one frequent symptom), so perhaps my immune system over-reacts to the caustic and other characteristics of petty spurge? Or perhaps it's the inflammation which creates the systemic fatigue?

Identifying the plants:
Euphorbia Peplis/Purple Spurge doesn't look like E. Peplus/Petty Spurge much at all. We've noticed here that people confuse Petty Spurge with Chickweed more readily than they do with Purple Spurge. Purple Spurge/E. Peplis has gray-green leaves with a reddish-purple mid-rib (thus the name) and is prostrate. Our friend Petty Spurge/Peplus is upright, the leaves are a different shape, and they're paler and more yellow-green in color.

Tinctures/Extracts:
@Brigid, have you found an alcohol based tincture to be effective? I'm concerned about it increasing the burning (which is a bit fierce this evening) and about how the alcohol might interact or interfere with ingenol mebutate, the effective compound in Petty Spurge.

Growing:
We've never successfully transplanted petty spurge from the garden to indoors - it always dies within a couple of weeks regardless of conditions. And we're highly experienced gardeners! But it comes up like crazy in our garden, especially now that I let it go to seed. We'll be starting some in pots for growing in a cool sunny window here in our Northeastern US climate over the fall and winter.

Sharing:
I have enough that I could share maybe a dozen plants with people. I pull them and put them in a glass of water and keep them in the bathroom where they last a couple of weeks while I snip and sap. I'm in the westernmost county of New York state, but am not prepared to ship plants. If you're willing to come here to pick them up, I'm happy to pull some and give them away. Most of these are 10-12" tall, and quite bushy, so would get you through treating several spots. And they'll be going to seed very soon, so you could collect the seeds (we use an artist's paintbrush to make picking them up easy) and have your own source.

Edited by - Thrivalista on 07/15/2013 17:28:26
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2013 :  04:18:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Thrivalista - an intetesting post especially the news that treating for longer/more intensely worked for you. That's great to hear!

After my last unsuccessful attempt with Petty Spurge I am currently treating my eyelid BCC for a longer period - I am up to 7 days now applying the sap every morning and have also found that I can apply the sap directly to the BCC a few mm from the eye without much discomfort. I got the idea of modifying the PS from Nunga48's post in another thread on eyelid BCC and black salve, and the fact that the commercial PS cream uses a more dilute form for the face.

I think the fact that my plant is going to seed has made it less potent and more suitable for use so close to the eye. I started off diluting the sap with a few drops of water and then seeing how my eyelid reacted. It seemed to tolerate it OK so I gradually reduced the water each day until I had full stregth sap.

The PS seems to be going deeper this time. I think the problem earlier for me was the PS reacting to surface BCC and AK but not going deep enough (part of my BCC is also hard and shiny and seems to be a deep lump).

I have also started Iscador/mistletoe injections to support my immune system but have not noticed any effects yet.

Edited by - trueson on 07/15/2013 04:29:22
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Thrivalista

USA
5 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2013 :  17:29:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting theory on the sap's potency, trueson. I'll keep that in mind when I start to work on the spots on my face.
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trueson

44 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2013 :  08:30:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thrivalista: how many days in total did you end up applying PS when you successfully treated your BCC?
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Brigid

68 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2013 :  12:15:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Thrivalista,

No, I"ve never tinctured the PS, agree w/ you that the alcohol would add more to the burning. Tinctures are stronger in general than teas from dried plants, (not that we ever dry ps before using) so in theory you could tincture the whole plant 1:5 ratio of plant to grain alcohol and then if the burning was intolerable, you could put the # of tincture drops you planned to use in a very small amt. of water and boil off the alcohol (for 3 minutes after boiling.). Many herbalists will tell you that boiling alters plant constituents but I've found it to work fine on some other tinctures I've used.

For the burning, I use homeopathic belladonna, every 15 minutes if it's bad enough. Also,
there are a number of cooling, anti-inflammatory herbs in common use. I don't know whether taking them internally (which you would do for immunity) would counteract the PS. I'll look into this.

As for the fatigue, some people don't experience it, and I do think it's about general immunity--I might not assume it's an autoimmune dysfunction, though it could be. Certain herbs and supplements are immune-supportive or stimulating. Which ones you take depends on your constitution and overall health picture.







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Originally posted by trueson

Hi Thrivalista - an intetesting post especially the news that treating for longer/more intensely worked for you. That's great to hear!

After my last unsuccessful attempt with Petty Spurge I am currently treating my eyelid BCC for a longer period - I am up to 7 days now applying the sap every morning and have also found that I can apply the sap directly to the BCC a few mm from the eye without much discomfort. I got the idea of modifying the PS from Nunga48's post in another thread on eyelid BCC and black salve, and the fact that the commercial PS cream uses a more dilute form for the face.

I think the fact that my plant is going to seed has made it less potent and more suitable for use so close to the eye. I started off diluting the sap with a few drops of water and then seeing how my eyelid reacted. It seemed to tolerate it OK so I gradually reduced the water each day until I had full stregth sap.

The PS seems to be going deeper this time. I think the problem earlier for me was the PS reacting to surface BCC and AK but not going deep enough (part of my BCC is also hard and shiny and seems to be a deep lump).

I have also started Iscador/mistletoe injections to support my immune system but have not noticed any effects yet.

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Thrivalista

USA
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Posted - 07/22/2013 :  12:34:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Trueson, I apologize if I wasn't clear. Lifting the scab and/or scraping it away combined with the sap+leaf technique is helping that persistent spot *to soften and dissolve*. It's not all gone yet (I've been treating it for over a week), and one small section of it is particularly resistant. But it is dissolving more than last time. I'm now alternating the sap + leaf treatment with an occasional day of just aloe to rest a bit. I'm reluctant to give the atypical cells a day to recover and get tougher, but need to balance that with managing pain and fatigue so I can work. (I have several spots going on my forearm, since the PS spread and they "lit up".)

About sap strength during seeding - it would be good to see the science on this. Some compounds in plants do decrease during flowering and seeding - for example, the volatile oils - but I don't know plant chemistry enough to know if the diterpene esters fall into that category. I know the sap is working, albeit slowly, but I'm not sure I could handle stronger/faster with so many spots that started doing the PS thing.

Brigid: thanks for responding. I think I'll try the leaves in water solution that worked for SoFL as a cushion for times when I can't get the plants to grow.

I didn't mean to imply that every person who had the fatigue reaction has an auto-immune disorder, I was just putting that out there as one possible piece of the puzzle. (There are several other things I'm doing for my immune system, which are also beneficial for fighting cancer in general.)
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Brigid

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Posted - 07/22/2013 :  12:49:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speaking of mistletoe causing fevers in the body, isn't there a heat treatment for skin cancers that's said to be effective? I've read that it also can cause burn damage to the skin, so I'm not sure I'd use it on eyes or lips or nostrils. It's not a self-treatment. Has anyone tried it? Is it used more in Europe?

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Originally posted by trueson

Thanks anivoc. Unfortunately the Petty Spurge hasn't really worked. The face is all healed up now and the PS has done some good but has not removed the whole of the BCC on the very edge of the eyelid.

There seems to be two parts to my BCC-the outer Nodular part and the inner BCC which is white and pearl-like and like a hard lump. The PS has done a reasonable job on the outer but hasn't touched the inner.

I'm running out of options now. I will do another round of PS but I have also booked in to see an Anthroposophical doctor with a view to getting some Iscador or misletoe injections which create a fever in the body which helps to attack the cancer. I have also booked in for the eyelid surgery but will cancel or postpone this if something else works. I might also see a homeopath. It's late here now so I will post some pictures later.

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trueson

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Posted - 07/25/2013 :  08:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brigid, I haven't used it but there is a centre here in Australia which uses hyperthermia for cancer. I contacted them and unfortunately their machine isn't suitable for head and neck treatment but may be useful for the rest of the body.

http://integrativeclinic.com.au/hyperthermia

Thrivalista, thanks for your reply to my question. I hope you are successful with your treatment and your perseverance is rewarded. It was actually SoFl who originally gave me the idea that the sap from a seeding plant is less strong and it seems to be born out by my experience.
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Crazyashelllol

USA
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Posted - 07/30/2013 :  21:06:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, the scab / rash that appeared MUST be cancer. It's in no way a result of the crazy **** you've put on your face.

Lolwow.
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georgeallan

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Posted - 08/03/2013 :  13:41:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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trueson

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Posted - 08/07/2013 :  07:05:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Crazyashelllol

Yeah, the scab / rash that appeared MUST be cancer. It's in no way a result of the crazy **** you've put on your face.

Lolwow.


I don't know if you've read the whole thread or not but I would say most of us here test a remedy on healthy skin first so we know we aren't allergic to it and also to see the effect on healthy skin. I know I do this with everything I try. You don't want healthy skin to be effected in the process of killing the cancer.

The attractive thing about these remedies is that, unlike most of the medical topical treatments, they are selective in their effect and specifically target cancer cells. We wouldn't use them if they didn't. The best way to demonstrate the truth of this is to do a test on your own healthy skin and let us know the results.
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Dave2001

USA
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Posted - 08/24/2013 :  15:56:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trueson

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I would say most of us here test a remedy on healthy skin first so we know we aren't allergic to it and also to see the effect on healthy skin. I know I do this with everything I try. You don't want healthy skin to be effected in the process of killing the cancer.

The attractive thing about these remedies is that, unlike most of the medical topical treatments, they are selective in their effect and specifically target cancer cells. We wouldn't use them if they didn't. The best way to demonstrate the truth of this is to do a test on your own healthy skin and let us know the results.



Trueson, thank you very much for sharing your experience on the forum. It is revealing and help other to learn a bit more about natural remedy Petty Spurge.
I hope you'll heal eyelid this time successfully and your example is so good to show that persistence is as important.

If you go for a longer treatment how you'll know it is enough long or not too long?
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trueson

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Posted - 08/27/2013 :  08:02:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your kind words Dave2001. The length of treatment is really just trial and error. If applying sap for 3 days doesn't work then one can try 5 days, let it heal for a time and reassess the situation. I would just increase by a small amount each time then let it heal and decide if you want to do more.

Unfortunately PS has not helped my BCC even with extended treatment of 10 days. I suspect I have an unusual type of BCC which is impervious to PS and everything else I have tried. I am now on Homeopathics and Mistletoe injections and I seem to be getting some reaction in the BCC but it is a bit too early to be sure. I will post again if I have any success with these methods.
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ACfree

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Posted - 09/18/2013 :  18:26:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jilly,

I read your post about your kind offer of sending seeds. I've had severe Actinic Cheilitis for years and tried everything to no avail. I'd really appreciate if you can share seeds and/or sap. I'll be happy to pitch in for your effort and time. Thanks!

No unfortunately he didn't and in fact he said that while the trials were successful he wouldn't recommend that I go pluck a plant and use the sap. I did not cover with a bandaid but maybe I should have. My scab formed immediately upon application and I too most likely had a nodular BCC. I do have the three types written down somewhere so I'll try to find them and post in addition to the photo of my current state. Cheers.

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Originally posted by BBirdz

Jilly-Thanks for clarifying. Did the doctor you met tell you anything about how to use the PS? When I used the sap I covered it with a bandaid so a scab wouldn't form which I don't think they did in the peplin trials. I did have an open pit form where the nodule had been but by the next morning it had filled in with white. I wonder now if that was the core of the cancer I was seeing.
Do you know the names of the types of cancer that don't respond? I thought they were mostly testing it on superficial basal cell. The one I have is most likely nodular.

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Originally posted by Jilly

Hi there,

Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions.
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Originally posted by BBirdz

Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!






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ACfree

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Posted - 09/18/2013 :  18:35:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jilly,

I hope you are in good health and spirit! Are you by any chance still offering to share your seeds/sap? I've had severe actinic Cheilits for years and have tried so many things to no avail. I'd really appreciate your kindness.
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Wisconsin guy

USA
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Posted - 09/21/2013 :  06:16:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, new to posting here but have been lurking for awhile. Its my 1st treatment on a BC with PS sap on a spot on my arm that was froze by a derm. about 10 years ago, this spot for the last 2 years has been either bleeding or scabed over. I am not new to skin cancer, ive gone under the knife 7 times and have had spots froze alot of times. Get this, the last time I had 4 spots froze each one was considerd as a surgery and was charged $1200 per spot and they all came back. 2 years ago I went in and had a BC surgery and now have a 3" scar and had a $4000 dollar bill. At that time I was told I had over 30 some skin cancers on my back and other areas and now some are getting worse so I decided to look into self treatment and thats how I found this forum. I first thought I would use bloodroot, went out in our woods this spring and dug some bloodroot and made a batch of black salve, while reading here the petty spurge seemed to be a better starting point than going black salve right away. I orderd some seeds and now my PS plants are 2 1/2 months old and prod

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60.73 KBuce alot of sap, they have been grown in a basement window. I put sap on for 3 days, one day off and then 3 more days of sap(one drop a day). I will say that the sap made me feel like when Ive been stung by bees, not the pain of the sting but the way my body felt overall. I stopped putting sap on after day 6 because day 7 I was feeling alittle run down and the spot was sore. Im not sure the sap will get this cancers root, it seems to be deep, in pic 6 and 7 you can see in the hole what apears to be a root. I will post updated pics and reports as I see changes. Thanks for all the info here.
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Dave2001

USA
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Posted - 09/21/2013 :  15:55:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Wisconsin guy for sharing.
Please keep us posted with updates.
PS would be my choice if available, I couldn't find it and decided to try Curaderm on BCC.
Seems that both are excellent remedies, PS being (my impression) a bit more active and penetrating, as result eventually faster.
Also, seems that each cancer is individual so if one remedy doesn't work as expected there is a good chance that other one may help.
Anyway, my experience with Curaderm and BCC was excellent (in terms of how predictable a cure course developed with healing result that came out as expected).
I wish you great results with petty spurge.
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clearlake

USA
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Posted - 09/24/2013 :  15:17:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for sharing the photos. That looks like the PS cleared out that crater! Should heal up nicely.
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Wisconsin guy

USA
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Posted - 09/24/2013 :  19:16:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
update, this pic is day 12 , starting to close in but still going deeper. Thanks 4 the replys.

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clearlake

USA
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Posted - 09/25/2013 :  15:32:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wisconsin guy, did you continue to apply the PS after day 6 (curious since you are saying the PS is still digging deeper). Also, great photos, what kind of camera did you use?
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Wisconsin guy

USA
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Posted - 09/25/2013 :  19:18:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just put it on the 6 times, the deeper hole seems to be draining around the edges of the root and going deeper. I am thinking about doing another day or 2 because the root looks strong or healthy yet. The camera is just a old kodak with close up option, I crop and fix the pics on the computer the best i can.
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Wisconsin guy

USA
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Posted - 10/03/2013 :  08:47:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today is 21 days since my 1st treatment of p.s. on my arm, I have not put any on since day 7 and im happy with the way it has healed so far. I did put some p.s. sap on a spot on my chest and applied for 3 days. With the 1st treatment I could tell it was working on that spot, before I applird on day 3 it was raised and swollen with a area about the size of a golf ball red and rash looking. Day 4 the sap had the target spot raised and swollen with a few other spots that were in that golf ball sized area raised and swollen also which showed me there was more there than just that targeted area (target area was the size of pea). The spot on my chest is on day7 and is scabed and looking better every day. Its sad to see my plants are seeding now, but I do have some new started and getting bigger everyday so I should be able to treat the many more skin cancers I have. Pic is day 21 of my arm.

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anivoc

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Posted - 10/03/2013 :  09:43:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wisconsin..

Congrats on your success so far..got to bug you to remember to document with pictures....The old POIDH "pictures or it didn't happen" Talk is cheap but pictures are proof of the pudding..or lack thereof ;)

Pictures provide assurance....

One thing that I am curious about with petty spurge is if some people might ...like with poison ivy or oak, have a allergic reaction "anywhere" they put it..

I tried it on a undamaged area as I did with bloodroot paste and it had no effect on healthy skin... That said I one of the lucky ones who is also not affected by poison oak...

I encourage you to do the same...just to make sure..

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