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BigD

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2011 :  00:08:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by TIsmalltown

In my experience putting the sap onto any area of the face, especially the nose, upper cheeks and forehead has led to redness, scabbing and peeling. Of course if you have already experienced skin cancer there then your initial thought is there must be something there to cause it to react. That may be the case but the sap has a highly corrosive nature as well so the more delicate skin of the face is probably going to react anyway. Something like a strong chemical peel which contributes to the improved appearance of the skin once treatment is finished. As I've posted before I tend to do a whole area instead of isolated spots and have noted that the nose, upper cheeks and forehead will always react and peel.
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TIsmalltown

USA
5 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2011 :  20:06:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Big D, I wondered if it was something like that, I guess there's no way to tell for sure if it "found something" or not, but you can bet I will be more deliberate in the future before applying it to the face.

Edited by - TIsmalltown on 08/18/2011 20:47:41
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Just Turned 50

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2011 :  00:20:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just got my seeds in the mail today. I'm so excited to try this!
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Jack Riggs

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2011 :  17:41:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am wondering if anyone has tried Perrins Cream Complete for their BCC. I've been using it for about two weeks now and it seems to curtail the size somewhat. I've ordered the Petty Surge seeds and got them today in mail and have sowed the seeds. I've been reading from all the post's about the PS treatment and am anxious to try this plant but in the meantime I'm using the Perrins cream. Has any body had luck with this cream. Jack
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Overthere

USA
31 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2011 :  10:26:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.

I would (desperately) like to purchase a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.

My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...

If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.

Thanks
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Irene

Canada
18 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2011 :  13:50:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can "pinch back" your young plants when they have about 6 leaves - that will give you a tiny drop of sap from each plant.
Should not take more than about 4 weeks to get to that stage.

Link to review "pinching back": http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/gardening-how-to/pinching-plant.htm

If you want to come visit Burlington, Ontario, Canada, I can sell you a nice healthy plant! LOL

Irene

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Originally posted by Overthere

I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.

I would (desperately) like to PURCHASE a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.

My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...

If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.

Thanks

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Alexis Fecteau

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2011 :  14:13:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Overthere:

I may have a healthy plant in my garden, I have several that grew wild this year, and a few in a pot. If you can tell me how to send a live plant I might be able to help.

I'll check on them since I just returned from a long trip - and will see if they're still viable and producing sap.

Alexis Fecteau
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Alexis Fecteau

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2011 :  01:51:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I'll repost my email here to make sure you get it:

I germinated the plants within 3 days in moist soil in those little 2" peat planters and put 3 seeds in each of 10 peat starters. 20+ plants came up.

Once they're about 2" tall just take the net off the peat starter and put in the good soil. If it's warm out I recommend letting them live outside, the dew at night makes them grow like gangbusters, on the other hand, a cooler place outside would be good if possible, definitely in the shade, maybe a little sun.

No insights into growing it in winter, other than I suspect it will grow slower based on my indoor/outdoor growing experiences, however, if you mist them a couple times of day.

Alexis
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BBirdz

10 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2011 :  01:38:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All-
After waiting for my little plants to grow and a window of down time I've finally begun my first ever petty spurge treatment of a 1/8" lesion on my upper lip- probably BCC, not biopsied but I've had enough of these to be 95% sure it's what I'm dealing with. I'm documenting with photos and notes and will post at the end in the hope that it will be helpful to other first timers just as so many of the posts here have been for me. I am hugely grateful for the brave pioneering work and sharing done here.

Here's a question for some of you veterans: I have been following SoFl's treatment that he used and I'm nearing the end of Day 4. After the first day when I saw it wasn't going to eat my lip off :-) I started using the "turbo" approach with the leaf and bandaid and have not left the lesion uncovered since. Towards the end of the third day it looked like a clean pit had formed, however the next morning it was all filled in again with soft looking tissue- not a scab. I tried to gently clean it out with peroxide & warm water but it seemed pretty solid and I didn't want to scrub too hard on it in case it was new healed tissue forming. I did a fourth application over this and covered again. This time it REALLY stung and burned for the first time. So my question is how hard do you scrub on these things and how do you know if it's healing over or if I still need to go in and clean it out to get to the bottom? Does the stinging mean there is still some cancer in there? It was virtually painless up until now.

Also I see from most people here that you either allow the wound to be left open and scab from the get go or you remove scabs daily as you go but either way you eventually uncover and let it scab over once the cancer is eaten away. I've read that recent studies show a wound will heal 40% faster if left covered vs exposing it to air and allowing a scab to form. And supposedly it will have less scaring this way. Any thoughts or experience on this? Maybe this kind of treatment wound is different. I noticed that in the clinical trials mentioned above that they did not cover the lesions at any phase of the treatment. Thanks so much for any input you might have!

Edited by - BBirdz on 08/31/2011 00:26:11
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SRM

1 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2011 :  23:53:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BigD

A wild shot here. I live in Perth WA does anyone know of the plants growing in this area?




Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet.
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BigD

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2011 :  19:49:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello SRM, Yes I found the plant, literally all over the place. I live down in Rockingham and I cant walk 50M without spotting the plant growing in either someones garden or along fence lines and footpaths. Best tip I can give is the area needs to be reasonably shaded, not full sun. At the end of this month I would say it will be coming to the end of the growing cycle for this year so you would need to get out now and find some. Take a walk around your neigborhood and check the fencelines and garden beds and you will probably find some.

P.S. Far superior to Efudix as a treatment

Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet.
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SRM

1 Posts

Posted - 09/03/2011 :  22:48:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi BigD...Thanks very much. Seems I may actually have some growing in my yard!(Don Burke I ain't).

Yes, I'm going to give this a try. Just need to verify it is the correct plant and get the length and duration of dosage and where to apply it sorted. Seems be some varying ways of using this stuff. I'm slightly cautious about using it, though the very encouraging reports of its effectiveness has me committed to it I think. Thanks again.
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bright1

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 11/05/2011 :  08:51:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi I found this site a few months ago when I was diagnosed with a bcc on my cheek just under my eye close to the nose. I have been treating the spot with petty spurge on and off (depending on work commitments) since then and although it has shrunk considerably, I believe the underlying problem is still there. I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this?
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anivoc

640 Posts

Posted - 11/05/2011 :  14:15:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bright1

I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this?



Definitely has occurred when I treated with Bloodroot paste 1/4 to 1/2" away from the actual application...Don't really know...maybe root ends from the original? All I can tell you is they went away and were never a real problem later. Definitely connected somehow to the application nearby..maybe just puss from the original site finding its way out via pores in the skin...not sure
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bright1

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2011 :  05:52:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the entries in this topic to give myself some comfort and hope that eventually it will be destroyed totally but negativity is setting in. I am seeing the consultant again at the end of January and am tempted to ask her to sharpen her scalpel.Maybe I am just going through a bit of a low not helped by the fact that everyone in my life thinks I am mad for taking this approach.. BTW where has everyone gone on this topic; it seems I joined just as everyone else was moving on. I could do with the company right now.
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thanks01

USA
170 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2011 :  15:08:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been re-visiting the site recently, spurred on by a friend who had to have a type of medical treatment all over his face. I just want to let Bright1 know that people are often here reading but not necessarily posting.
Actually I have tried Petty Spurge for the FIRST time recently on a small, un-diagnosed spot, and plan to write up the experience, which I would term "positive" in outcome.
For various reasons I am not yet ready to produce the write-up, but yes, this is a favorite website of mine and the Petty Spurge threads are the ones that I always check in on, since so far to me this seems to be one of the most convincing treatments.
I might also note for Bright1 that the location of my original (and diagnosed) BCC was in almost the exact same location as the one Bright1 describes. Even now, so close to the eye, I might not dare to use Petty Spurge there, so it would be interesting to have Bright1 post some more details on experiences and success with treatment.
At that time (nearly 3 years ago)I chose the medical alternative, and it might be worth noting that this included Mohs surgery (expensive) and cosmetic repair by a plastic surgeon (expensive). Luckily we were covered by some insurance plans, but for those who aren't, this is why the forum and its explorations are so important.
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BigD

Australia
8 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2011 :  18:48:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Bright1, having had plenty of experience with using PS on my face plus near the eyes I would like to comment on your statement saying "ˇou are still seeing a reaction", Petty Spurge has a caustic side to its activity and in my experience if applying the sap to the delicate skin of the face, you will always get a reaction even if there is no cancer there. If you have treated for 3-4 days the PS will have done its job. You need to let the site heal and after a few weeks you should be able to judge whether the cancer has gone. In my experience it will have.
Regards BigD


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Originally posted by bright1

Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the

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waverider

76 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2011 :  22:24:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to strongly concur with BigD. I guess it's the natural human impulse to want to knock it out in one concentrated blitz, but I feel that continued use of PS beyond 5 days is probably unnecessary and may be counter-productive. I found that the caustic side effect of PS continues to keep the area in an "open wound" state and not healing as long as you use it. This may be misinterpreted as evidence that there is still BCC present when, in fact, it is long gone. The only way you can find out for sure, however, is to discontinue treatment, allow the area to heal and then see what you've got. If it turns out (as was my experience) that there are still some small hot spots remaining, it is a simple matter to just hit them again with PS. It works just as well the second time around. After it heals you can also use orange oil to test for a sting response which is a pretty accurate indicator of BCC. I think a consensus is developing that "more" is not necessarily "better" with petty spurge.
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bright1

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2011 :  08:02:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi and thanks BigD and Waverider for your advice. I have treated this bcc five time in total since mid-July, each time for between 3 and 5 days only, letting it heal completely in between. Each time the area healed beautifully but still with a little bit of the original lump left, getting smaller each time. I am now questioning whether it would have been better to have treated continuously in the first place and got it over with in one go as I feel it has 'gronw back' each time I stopped treating. I will know for sure in January when I will have a punch biopsy done on the site to see what's happening (my consultant knows what I have been doing). I am a little nervous however because all my plants have now set seed and are dying off so I will be without my medicine chest until they grow back in spring. I did notice this time that there was one 'thread' of inflammation going right up into my eye this time which is what has freaked me out. But yes I agree that the reaction could be just the caustic effect of the PS sap and I am worrying (and treating) unnecessarily. Has anyone got rid of a 1yr old bcc completely as proven by biopsy and if so what was the exact treatment protocol? I so appreciate the replies, makes me feel less crazy.
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bright1

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2011 :  09:22:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh and thanks to Thanks1 as well...I missed your post earlier as I was reading from bottom up and didn't quite get that far. I'd be happy to document my experiences treating my BCC if it would be of any help. In retrospect I wonder whether if I had done it continuously for a much longer time, I would have had better results. But it's all experimentation. Thankfully I only have this one lesion; if I had lots I would be very anxious by now.
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Quercus

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2011 :  18:47:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow! New to forum. Read thru almost all the posts on PS and it sure looks promising. After spending an entire lifetime in the SoCal sun I have more then just a few spots. Removed several with Skin Answer, but need something a bit stronger for the spots on my arms. I am currently going to try the eggplant remedy on my face, but would like to obtain some PS for my arms and back. Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?

Thanks Q
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radiologist

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2011 :  04:42:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks all of you.Previously I am not aware that this remedy treatments for skin cancer now i know this from you people thanks for sharing.
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waverider

76 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2011 :  10:03:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Quercus

Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?



You're probably better off just getting it from the Australian source
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
Only takes about 10 days to get it to the US. Then about 6 weeks to get a plant to grow large enough to use. If you think you'll need it next year, now's the time to get seeds and plant. PS is a winter annual. Though it's apparently possible to get it to grow in summer under controlled conditions, mine always drop dead by June or July. I am in CA (LA) and have seen it randomly but never while I was looking for it. Usually in sheltered spots that are sort of damp. You will never find it growing wild in CA later than June or July. Last year I was doing some work at a house up in the hills during the winter rainy season. The backyard was untended for years and weedy, sheltered and soggy. Only got about 3 hours of sun a day. There was a small forest of PS growing there, covering half the yard. That's the kind of environment it likes.
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Quercus

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2011 :  11:45:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks I will just order some if I can't find any growing near the mountains.
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Sundazed

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2011 :  16:01:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just been diagnosed with a few BCC lesions. Has anyone from south Florida planted PS with success?
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lonewolf1218

USA
5 Posts

Posted - 11/23/2011 :  23:39:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I finally got my plants to grow after many attemps.My question is when I put the sap on do I cover with a bandaid?And how many treatments should I do?
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chicagohit

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2011 :  13:57:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just joined. After 20+ MOHS surgeries I just can't go through any more. I was given imiquimod as the first non-surgical treatment I even heard of. It worked great on a spot on my back that was not nodule. I snuck it in for one on my forehead and it worked great.

Got another spot on my back and one next to my nose. I'm running out of imiquimod and it is really expensive. I just ordered my PS seeds. If nothing else I am very glad to be actively treating, not just passively getting a biopsy and then MOHS.

There is also a Facebook PS page. It has just a few members right now.
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Thomas Haugen

USA
94 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2011 :  19:48:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is for those who recently posted about BCC near the eye. I have one on the bottom of the lower eyelid and the white of that eye started being bloodshot all the time which really scared me. Sap of PS can damage the eye, so be super careful.

I went another route with a natural vegetable product call Astaxanthin. I believe it functions like Imiquimod (Aldara, Zyclara) as an immune system modifier. I posted my experience and photos in another thread: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=351

Astaxanthin research for the technically minded: The Medical Research of Astaxanthin 273 pages
http://www.cyanotech.com/pdfs/Astaxanthin_Abstract_Book.pdf

For the rest of us: ASTAXANTHIN AND CANCER
http://www.livestrong.com/article/465213-astaxanthin-and-cancer/
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Eunice

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2011 :  12:05:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BigD

Hello Bright1, having had plenty of experience with using PS on my face plus near the eyes I would like to comment on your statement saying "ˇou are still seeing a reaction", Petty Spurge has a caustic side to its activity and in my experience if applying the sap to the delicate skin of the face, you will always get a reaction even if there is no cancer there. If you have treated for 3-4 days the PS will have done its job. You need to let the site heal and after a few weeks you should be able to judge whether the cancer has gone. In my experience it will have.
Regards BigD


quote:
Originally posted by bright1

Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the



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marsha

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2012 :  01:59:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also used petty spurge on a cople of spots, more than a week, they returned.They left a bump that was kind of weird.I know these places were deep. I found ps too painful, so I went back to using Curaderm.
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Eunice

USA
0 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2012 :  14:39:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lonewolf1218

I finally got my plants to grow after many attemps.My question is when I put the sap on do I cover with a bandaid?And how many treatments should I do?

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Alexis Fecteau

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2012 :  17:52:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would recommend 2x per day for 3 days to start. Then see how it is going. The bandaid is likely not necessary for the spot since it will have soaked in after a few minutes, but it may be useful so you don't get sap on an unwanted body part, garment, or other object.

Alexis Fecteau


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Jilly

5 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2012 :  05:48:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All,

So like many of you after reading all the threads I decided to avoid MOHS surgery for now and try PS. I have a non-biopsied BCC on my upper lip which has been seen by three dr.s (two MoHS) Firstly, I wanted to post some photos of the plant I have found growing in abundance underneath my building as I am unsure whether they are PS. They look like the ones in most of the photos however they do not have red stems and seem more like the "dwarf" plants that have been mentioned in the thread. There is white sap but the plants themselves are about 10 cm at the most. Any input appreciated.

Secondly, I already am on day three of applying it. I have been applying once a day and leaving uncovered. I wash it off before going to sleep. Predictably the tumor formed a scab almost immediately which became thicker over the last two days. I did have other hot spots appear on my face that I treated as well but no scab formed really, just oozing. The real fear set in this morning, I woke up and the area was inflamed and looked infected. The scab came off but there was no "pit". This reaction could have been the result of me putting iodine on it last night before going to sleep after washing off the PS or not??? I also put antibiotic ointment on it as well as I was getting worried about secondary infection. I don't have an intense throbbing although it is MUCH more sore now then yesterday. The first three days were fine, no pain at all. SO the question is, should I leave it for now and wait for the swelling and inflammation and pain to subside or should I continue to treat (this would be day 4) ANY advice would be appreciated, Thanks. Photos to follow.

Edited by - Jilly on 01/18/2012 07:24:24
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Jilly

5 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2012 :  06:51:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the plant, taken with iphone so not the best quality

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Jilly

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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  08:03:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are days 2-4, unfortunately I didn't photograph the first day of what it originally looked like. it was basically a raised, (3 or 4 mm ht, 5mm width )nodular BCC, smooth and white.

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BBirdz

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Posted - 01/19/2012 :  04:31:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
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Jilly

5 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2012 :  12:01:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify.
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Originally posted by BBirdz

Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.

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Brigid

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Posted - 01/19/2012 :  13:18:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Jilly

Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify.
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Originally posted by BBirdz

Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.



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Brigid

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Posted - 01/19/2012 :  13:29:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone. I haven't been on the forum for a long time. Curious about red stems--my petty spurge from Australian seed and from Irene's seed never had red stems. Is that maybe more powerful? I'm feeling it's time to treat again b/c some areas are itching again. Sure sign. And also when they turn red from applying coconut oil. For me that's a great diagnostic too (painless) for knowing where it's spread. The spurge just doesn't hold me, I have to keep repeating every so often. The one tumor with invasive bc AND scc has not gone away. Time to go back and read Dan's info at the beginning of this wonderful website. (Thanks Dan!)
Jilly for pain if you treat again, try taking homeopathic belladonna. It's for burns and it works for me. Sometimes I've had to take it every 15 minutes. You can't overdose on it. If you haven't taken homeopathy before, read up on how to take and what to avoid.
Has anyone heard from Judy in Australia? Wondering if she's OK.
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waverider

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Posted - 01/19/2012 :  18:51:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jilly,
Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, youíre right, some PS does have dwarf genes. Iíve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I donít know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795

All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as Iíve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process.

Iíve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. Itís *really* hard to tell what youíve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression thereís still active BCC present, when actually what youíre seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.

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Jilly

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Posted - 01/20/2012 :  04:21:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Waverider, thanks for your input. The plants are only a few weeks old, most of the year its dry here and the gardner comes every few months and cleans up the building area so there is never really any growth except in winter. Its quite extraordinary if it is PS as I did try to look far and wide here though Herbalists and Nurseries to no avail, and voila, its right under my nose. I will post more photos today. The scab is now off and I can see that it did exactly as you say, nodule is gone and it looks as if it stopped at the dermis. I can see the remnants of the tumor below as one white mass probably 4mm in diameter (not scar tissue) so I will need to reapply. I will start next week once the skin is a bit more healed. I thought that might be the case as when the first scab fell off I did not see a "pit". Will keep posting photos Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.
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Originally posted by waverider

Jilly,
Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, youíre right, some PS does have dwarf genes. Iíve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I donít know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795

All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as Iíve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process.

Iíve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. Itís *really* hard to tell what youíve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression thereís still active BCC present, when actually what youíre seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.



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Jilly

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Posted - 01/20/2012 :  04:59:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All,

Following on from my plant verification thread, im posting some much clearer photos of what I think is PS. I'm also posting days five and six (no treatment since day three)

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waverider

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Posted - 01/20/2012 :  13:46:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like a pretty close match with this:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html
Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.



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Jilly

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Posted - 01/20/2012 :  14:36:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yup truly amazing, there just happen to be loads, though it will no doubt be short lived. I may have to dig some up and try to replant in a planter box in my apartment before the gardner comes to clean it all up. I did get a confirmation today from a botanist dr. from the link you posted so thanks for that. Serendipity, Gods will, plain ole good luck, it seems my meeting with PS was meant to be. I didn't include this in the original post but in between going to the dermo and MOHS dr's I also had the good fortune to consult with a Dermo/Surgeon from OZ who just happened to be holidaying in Israel...after doing some due diligence before meeting him it turns out that he ran some of the trials for Peplin before it was bought and was the FDA liaison. Small world really.
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Originally posted by waverider

Looks like a pretty close match with this:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html
Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.





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BigD

Australia
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Posted - 02/02/2012 :  04:28:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season.
regards
David
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Jilly

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Posted - 02/02/2012 :  07:41:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi there, yes I have found it in other places, actually little forests of it, pic to follow. I just wish I could somehow send it to other people who need it. I just started the 3rd application to the same spot and hope this will get to the root of it. One thing is certain it DEFINITELY works, no doubt. Interestingly I stumbled across this today,

http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-31/business/31004809_1_fda-approval-richard-pazdur-basal-cell

The price tag is ridiculous but I wonder how effective it is.

Cheers,

Jilly

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Originally posted by BigD

Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season.
regards
David

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Jilly

5 Posts

Posted - 02/02/2012 :  07:44:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thought this may be of interest for those of you here

http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=67290&sid=2
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Alexis Fecteau

USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 :  08:11:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jilly

Thought this may be of interest for those of you here

http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=67290&sid=2



Those prices are downright criminal, especially considering the Euphorbia Peplus. I found some growing wild around a house here in downtown Seattle, though would not have know it was the correct one unless I had grown it first from seeds from Beautanicals.

Alexis Fecteau
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BBirdz

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Posted - 02/06/2012 :  15:36:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
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Jilly

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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  13:12:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi there,

Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions.
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Originally posted by BBirdz

Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!

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