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DP68
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 Posted - 03/27/2014 : 06:22:27
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Link below. But in the meantime, just wanted to say this is total BS. I have successfully treated skin tumors with a bloodroot black salve with 100% effectiveness. What really gets me...in the article...they claim their study revealed a success rate of 39%, which I would argue with. BUT...if the "experts" themselves are now admitting the stuff works, yet is still banned by the FDA...it's a total contradiction.
What I'm trying to say...if a Doctor, Dermatologist, any heath care worker, any entity (govt) ever mumbles the words..."we are doing all we can to help you"...and this plant is still outlawed...they are wrong, whether intentionally or otherwise.
Obviously we wouldn't black salves available at the drug store, as we all know the stuff is powerful and if used incorrectly can be a nightmare. However...the Sanguinarine itself, from the roots of the bloodroot plant...certainly should be available for use in the medical community, as it's is a PROVEN (as admitted by the FDA/these experts/many others) cancer killing chemical. Actually, the way I understand it (and most interestingly of all)...Cancer cells are 'invisible' to the body's own immune system. The cellular reaction with the bloodroot allows one's own body to 'see' them, and it's one's own body that then attacks and kills them. Simply freaking awesome, if you ask me. Anywho...sorry so long...BS article below, from a conference this week in NY I believe:
http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay686066_20140325_Experts_Warn_About_Skin_Cancer__Treatments__Sold_Online.html
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peterjm1003
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Posted - 04/26/2014 : 01:20:46
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Good for you DP68, but how did you know that what you were treating were malignant tumours. Just to satisfy you, there certainly is some evidence that sanguinarine induces apoptosis (ie. causes self destruction of a cancer cell) in a number of studies (see for example Ahmad et al Clinical Cancer Research 6 (4): 1524–8). But what you say also about cancer cells being "invisible" to the body's immune system, and needing a chemical such as sanguinarine is nonsense. I have seen plenty of BCCs and superficial SCCs resolve spontaneously - without any topical treatment. Also you should know about the much higher rates of skin cancers (and other cancers) in people with immunosuppression - such as HIV and transplant patients - clear evidence that the immune system in normal healthy people gets rid of many cells that have undergone pre-malignant or malignant change.
But where is the "proof", that a sanguinarine containing topical treatment is superior to conventional treatment, with fewer side effects, and where is the effort from bloodroot promoters to develop a standardised and consistent product and subject it to proper clinical trials, like all other therapeutic drugs and preparations. That is the reason PICATO (ingenol mebutate an extract from Euphorbia peplus, or milkweed) is approved by the FDA in the US, TGA in Australia and European Medicines Agency for treatment of certain defined skin cancers.
Sorry also for being so long in rebutting the BS in your post, but why not try and do some real research - try this link (http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/safety/EWS/2013/black-salve.asp) it is a summary of of some of the available case reports and research into black salve in comparison to conventional treatment. You could start with those and see what else is available, rather than just relying on your own personal experience.
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anivoc
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Posted - 04/26/2014 : 06:55:10
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Peter..For a skin cancer doctor like yourself to take the time to visit and post comments on this site is very impressive and appreciated. It is indicative that you are sincere in what you do.
That said, unfortunately IMO you are operating on bad information in regards to bloodroot paste. I do not want to offend you, I recognize you have a lot more medical knowledge than I.I ask you to take take an epistemological approach. The origin and validity of the information I am offering you here is solid.
I am not exactly sure what part bloodroot powder plays in ZINC CHLORIDE PASTE but what is being called "Bloodroot paste" in todays market is what Dr. Mohs ( Yes, the creator of the gold standard in surgical excision of skin cancers) called Zinc Chloride paste back when he used it.
Rather than repeat everything here that I have brought together in another thread, I ask you to go here to...THE TRUTH ABOUT BLOODROOT PASTE and see for yourself and learn the truthful facts and data about Bloodroot paste and its history.
I find it EXTREMELY frustrating how misinformed the medical and dermatological community is about the documented history and value of Zinc Chloride paste in dealing with both non melanoma and melanoma skin cancers.
Your link from Medsafe.govt.nz is a perfect example of a group of people in a very important position of authority NOT doing their homework and promoting falsehoods running around the internet like those from Quackwatch about bloodroot paste.
This is a government owned site..You'd think we could trust the information...it's shameful..
I cite these two absolute UNTRUTHS that they posted on the site..
There have been no clinical trials, so it is not known if these products work.WRONG! Dr. Mohs and 100's of other doctors that used bloodroot paste to "fixate" the tumors definitely offers enough proof and crediblity of its efficacy.
Black salve is an escharotic which means that it destroys the skin, (both healthy and diseased) WRONG! Dr. Mohs is very clear on this it leaves the healthy tissue alone. I have personally tested it on my own healthy skin for 24 hours with ZERO effect! when I put the same paste on a biopsied BCC in seconds WHAM! HOLY SMOKES!
Peter you will find within that thread more than enough documented "PROOF" that Zinc Choide paste ( with sanguinarine ) does in fact work and works IMO better than anything to date that the medical and or pharmaceutical companies have brought to the table including petty spurge.
The "The Evolution of Mohs Micrographic Surgery" is excellent as is the Patent link .....You should especially be interested in what Dr. Brooks a California dermatologist has to say about Bloodroot paste.
Not sure what your response will be once you have absorbed the information I have provided but I look forward to hearing your thoughts on Zinc Chloride / bloodroot paste afterwards.
Certainly the way it is currently being sold "uncontrolled and unregulated" leaves opportunity for inferior or dangerous concoctions to be sold.
Sadly it seems it is the fact that it is so expensive to get things FDA approved that Bloodroot paste hasn't been aproved. It just isn't worth anyone investing the millions of dollars it takes to get FDA approval on a product that any lay person of average inteligence can mix up in their kitchen..
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peterjm1003
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Posted - 04/27/2014 : 21:50:48
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Thanks anivoc and I will follow up on the Bloodroot thread in a few days. We probably agree on a few things but I will call you guys out on some of the claims you make about Dr Mohs and the evolution of micrographic surgery and the role of ZnCl and sanguinarine.
The main point I want to make is this stuff is not magic and not 100%. You cannot guarantee it will get rid of ALL the cancer. Get a biopsy and get it followed up especially AFTER treatment.
If people make an informed decision that they want to treat their skin with efudix, aldara, black salve, petty spurge or cow dung, that is up to them, I will just give them the best advice and recommendation based on the information I have. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 17:50:50
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Thank you Dr. Pete!
I sincerely want your honest and realistic opinion after you read the data I have compiled in the other thread.
IMO there is no way of knowing if the bloodroot or any other procedure "Gets it all" a biopsy afterwards of the area where the tumor was may come back negative but these tumors grow little feeder veins to bring blood to them and it is my belief those veins ( which were part of the tumor) stay alive and grow later...I have had Mohs where they "got it all" and sure enough a few years later the BCC came back right at the margins.
I've done bloodroot a few times... some areas are fine 10 years later some came back..with skin cancer there are no guarantees..
I am experimenting with some topical treatments that seem to be making progress on both a lot of AK's, lesions and confirmed BCC's. Holding off on talking about exactly what I am using until I am really certain I have had success on the big ones...for sure already had success on the small ones.
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Warning from a Dermatologist
