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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2013 :  14:13:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, medical doctors in the Philippines have integrated black salve use for cancer into their conventional medical treatments after observing it's effectiveness. It is now part of mainstream medicine there, so anyone wanting to be under a licensed physician's care and can afford the trip can go there for treatment. Also, I've seen one failure. I gave some to a woman with metastasized stage 4 lung cancer, but her immune system was so far gone that despite a new application daily, her body couldn't mount a response to it other than a little redness where she pricked the skin with a sterile needle to help it penetrate through the skin. She died a week later of cancer-related seizures.
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Control

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2013 :  09:28:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, everyone. I'm from reddit, too. Chill has already said a lot of what I would have said, but I wanted to give my two cents.

Firstly, this forum does have a noticeable disclaimer saying to seek professional help for treatments. So from their perspective, these people on the forum are just people who have had success or looking for alternatives to the choice they already know about, and wanted to share their experiences and spread the word of alt medicine. That's natural to want to share things with others that work. I find nothing wrong with this forum itself,nor do I find faults with the members of the discussion for the most part.

The original poster clearly had access to medical attention, but made the conscious decision to look elsewhere for the moment. She's a grown woman, that's her choice. Great! Her decision didn't turn out the best, did it? I at least was hoping to see more members clarify the seriousness of what was happening. When a normal person sees something like that, it's time to recommend a professional- it's time to say "look, I have had positive experiences with alt med but clearly it's not working out for you - I cannot give more testimony as I fear it will alter your judgment on what you should do with that serious situation. Stop posting and go to the doctor immediately!

For all I know, alt med seems to work for some, and not for others. I just feel the evidence is there that supports going to the doctor is going to result in a better ending the majority of the time. But hey- keep spreading the news about alt med, love that freedom to do so! Just make it clear before you converse with these wide eyed health seekers that while it worked for some, you cannot says with a clear conscious that it will work for them. Remind them it is a gamble with their well-being, probably similar to how some of you view modern medicine. (Which is true, too, but research is simply going to take sides with modern medicine. If there is truth to alt med, it will eventually be universally known. Humans are cool like that in large demographics - they end up with what works. while there may be many intriguing truths you could tell me regarding alt med, something tells me modern medicine will be the drug of choice, pun absolutely intended - for a very long time.

Stay healthy, everyone!
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2013 :  22:26:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Control

Hello, everyone. I'm from reddit, too. Chill has already said a lot of what I would have said, but I wanted to give my two cents.

Firstly, this forum does have a noticeable disclaimer saying to seek professional help for treatments. So from their perspective, these people on the forum are just people who have had success or looking for alternatives to the choice they already know about, and wanted to share their experiences and spread the word of alt medicine. That's natural to want to share things with others that work. I find nothing wrong with this forum itself,nor do I find faults with the members of the discussion for the most part.

The original poster clearly had access to medical attention, but made the conscious decision to look elsewhere for the moment. She's a grown woman, that's her choice. Great! Her decision didn't turn out the best, did it? I at least was hoping to see more members clarify the seriousness of what was happening. When a normal person sees something like that, it's time to recommend a professional- it's time to say "look, I have had positive experiences with alt med but clearly it's not working out for you - I cannot give more testimony as I fear it will alter your judgment on what you should do with that serious situation. Stop posting and go to the doctor immediately!

For all I know, alt med seems to work for some, and not for others. I just feel the evidence is there that supports going to the doctor is going to result in a better ending the majority of the time. But hey- keep spreading the news about alt med, love that freedom to do so! Just make it clear before you converse with these wide eyed health seekers that while it worked for some, you cannot says with a clear conscious that it will work for them. Remind them it is a gamble with their well-being, probably similar to how some of you view modern medicine. (Which is true, too, but research is simply going to take sides with modern medicine. If there is truth to alt med, it will eventually be universally known. Humans are cool like that in large demographics - they end up with what works. while there may be many intriguing truths you could tell me regarding alt med, something tells me modern medicine will be the drug of choice, pun absolutely intended - for a very long time.

Stay healthy, everyone!



Excellent advise. I'm certainly listening and will be certain to apply these cautions you so wisely suggested Control. :)
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2013 :  07:34:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't visit this page for a while and I suddenly see some abusive posts! Discussion - YES! Personal comments - NO!
What I have to offer is this - When talking to my dermatologist about black salve, she told me that a doctor in the hospital had given a presentation about 3 of his patients who had done 'do-it-yourself surgery'with the salve. The outcome he delivered was that 1 patient had been cured, one patient had a return of the cancer and the other patient had not bothered to come back to the clinic (probably cured rather than died, I think). The doctors (inc the dermatologist)I have shown my disappearing lesions to are puzzled but they look at my photographic evidence alongside and they acknowledge that something is definitely being removed. I too am regarding cancer in a holistic way and am using the salve alongside other positive health/lifestyle choices. I am also now having mistletoe therapy to boost my immune system. The doctor who administers this is also a conventionally trained doctor as well as an anthrosopic doctor. In some cases, mistletoe is available on the National Health Service in the UK. My doctor is also a little frustrated that funding for cancer research is mainly channeled away from 'alternative' or 'natural' cures. He has seen first-hand the mistletoe working.
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dan

606 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2013 :  00:40:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just want to say how thankful I am to the many posters on this board. Overall, what a wonderful and caring group of people that post here! I can't say the recent flurry of personal attacks helped anything, but the ensuing discussion was welcome.

No one here thinks it turned out great for Hoxsey. Her experience left us with questions such as Does a black salve destroy only the cancer or does it also eat into normal tissue in some people? Does it affect different people, perhaps like those with diabetes, differently? Maybe we will find those answers, but I think it is important that her very real experience is there for others to consider as we look for better ways to deal with our skin cancers.
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Horrux

Canada
16 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2013 :  06:05:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bwakul

quote:
Originally posted by cheryl21


You seem to be unaware that every time a doctor cuts out a skin cancer they are not just cutting out the cancerous cells, but also a massive amount of good skin just to be sure they have got it all. Google it on the internet and have a look at just how much healthy skin they cut out - it will just about make you sick. Black salve does not destroy healthy skin, but only the cancerous tissue.




Most people are aware that surgeons use margins of healthy tissue.

Where is the evidence that black salve does not affect healthy tissue. I think this is the main point of contention.



Surgeons use margins of healthy tissue on your FACE, but not when you have the cancer on your chest. At least, such was my case. Infinite stupidity and blatant disregard for what is best for the patient.
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jamesd

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2013 :  22:08:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was studing about cancer last night both my wife and I are being treated with a zinc cloride,mixed with plain white flour paste,she has breast cancer I had an old mole on my arm a new mole on my stomach both turned out to be cancers,I had read an article on cancer cell takeing in larger amounts of iron,zinc cloride being a caustic to metal,may just attact these iron ladden cells,any thoughts on this,something has to be diffrent in good cells vs cancer cells I think we over complacate things sometime
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2013 :  02:55:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
JamesD

You mentioned both you and your wife are "taking" a mixture of zinc chloride and white flour.

Do you mean you are both taking it internally?

Are you getting this from a Naturopath?

My knee jerk reaction is Zinc chloride is not something you would want to take internally..but I am not a doctor and don't know for sure either way.

Breast Cancer is not skin cancer and this forum is really about "non melanoma" skin cancer.

I offer hope and prayers for you and your wife and strongly urge you to get her and you to a qualified medical doctor ASAP.

Her, because it is breast cancer and you because unfortunately moles that turn cancerous are more often than not, NOT one of the less dangerous skin cancers, a bleeding or irregular growing mole is a symptom of Melanoma ....the type of skin cancer we are NOT discussing treatment of here because of it's lethal nature.

This all said

I have personally been experimenting with ZC on some superficial and also old large basal cell tumors.

I can say this ...yeouch! If I have an open wound where there is a skin cancer Zinc Chloride (just zinc chloride liquefied to a 50% solution with water) definitely creates an immediate and obvious reaction. Using pure Zinc Chloride in a 50% solution I have had MAJORLY strong results...did it kill the tumor? it definitely killed some of it...It turned white (I suspect this is white blood cells) swelled and then died off.

I had a small basal cell on my cheek I had been hitting with a long list of various ingredients for the last 2 years... One night it was being exceptionally annoying and as I was messing with it started to bleed...I knew from previous experience that the zinc chloride 50% solution worked like a styptic pencil on shaving nicks so I applied a little ...WHAM! it stung and this little 1/4 wound started to swell up something terrible..it was like there was a small marble under the skin..On this one I never covered it and it took a few weeks for it to go down...where the original tumor was it has healed up and is slightly indented... Though this area is in the best condition it has been in in a few years..it is still tender and I suspect there is still some cancer there...

The infamous Dr. Mohs documented it.. Zinc Chloride kills cancer cells..

Now on the iron thing I was not aware of it but I do find it VERY interesting because of an observation I have made this year in regards to iron rust and skin cancer.

I was repainting a wrought Iron fence and was sanding the metal...When I went in to take a shower I noticed that all the little lesions on my face had sucked up the rust like little magnets..The rust was in the air from the sanding but seemed to condense and collect on the lesions...the shower cleaned them up..

A few more times while sanding metal I noticed the same phenomenon...what that all means I don't know just an observation..

In regards to how Zinc Chloride works I base the following on what I was told by a Veterinarian who made his own Bloodroot paste with Zinc Chloride to treat sarcomas on horses successfully.

He explained it as such...Cancers have a way of tricking the immune system so that it won't attack them..It has a veil or sac that mimics natural healthy cells.. when you apply the paste it exposes the tumor as an intruder and the white blood cells attack.. the rest is a pain, swelling miserable battle between your immune system and the invading tumor cells.

If I apply the same 50% solution to healthy skin (at least in my case ) nothing happens...to a healthy wound nothing happens... a cancerous wound....WATCH OUT ...

Well that's my two cents and that about what it is worth... I do hope and pray you get you and your wife professional medical advice immediately..you can always do the alternative thing but you really should know for sure what your traditional options are and the risk involved should you decide not to go that way..

All the best to you and good luck!


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jamesd

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2013 :  08:23:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc iam sorry if it sounded like i was takeing this internally we are not," applied only to skin" my family has been using this since at least 1930 my mom has cured many people we use ground flaxseed politce after frist day changed daily,washed between applications with a cup of warm water mixed with a capful brown bottle lysol never have seen infection, after cancer comes out start using a homemade healing salve. my wife is under a doctors care. its a long road, painful at times but we know cancer can do no more to you than God will allow.
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2013 :  10:33:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jamesd

I would appreciate you posting your ground flax-seed poultice recipe and also your healing salve recipe if you are willing.

It was coincidental that you posted the other day as I am getting more agressive with Zinc Chloride. I was in a lot of pain when I replied yesterday...I have a very large area on my shoulder that I can't get knocked out with Vitamin C and dmso ( been successful on smaller lesions )

Using a q-tip that I first moistened with water and squeezed it out.. I dripped a few drops of the 50% solution of Zinc Chloride on it...I then dipped the tip into my Vit C DMSO solution ( about 10 drops) and applied it...OUCH! well it hazed over white and swelled up pretty bad...started throbbing..this is very diluted in comparison to bloodroot paste..I will hit it again today the same way.. The swelling has gone down some ..this area is about 1" wide and was relatively flat..after the application last night it raised up about 1/4 of an inch...

BTW this is on my shoulder so the liquid doesn't just stay on my lesion no healthy skin had a reaction...only the lesion...again this is a dilluted version but it is noteworthy that again I personally have never had standard bloodroot paste or any of my solutions of Zinc Chloride effect MY healthy skin...

As has been mentioned, results can vary widely dependent upon the person, level of health and other medical conditions... Always smart to try a test area first..

Just a footnote on Zinc Chloride as blood stopper. It does seem to have an coagulator effect like a styptic pencil...

My son-in-law had a zit he had messed with that wouldn't stop bleeding I gave him a q-tip with my 50% solution and it stopped it immediately.
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jamesd

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2013 :  11:15:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc just use ground flaxseed from foodcity. ect.make into a paste with hot water,apply to gauzepad dont use nonstick pads change daily flaxseed meal will dry out pulling cancer to a head after several days. as this increases may have to change twice daily as flaxseed meal dries it gets hard edges will get sharp. can be painful according where it at I guess not so bad on body parts that dont flex forarm back ect mix a ,thinner mix at first maybe alittle stiffer each day as it will rim and break adding is own liquid I posted the healing salve earlier in another post if you dont find it let me know
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jamesd

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2013 :  20:35:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
what we have always done is to mix very little zinc cloride about the size of a kitchen match head with a few drops of water to a thin syurp then mix with plain white flour to make a stiff paste put on gauze pad cover place 24 hours it will burn or itch at first if cancer is present it will find it, may be a lot larger than place than it was applied to you will know when pad is removed.it will be white or gray.
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momnson

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 08/16/2013 :  15:44:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hoxey, great job! I am just finishing a spot on my buttox, that blew up to be huge! It just came out last night. I will try to post some pix. I am looking at previous pix from my face - when I did it I also swelled up so much I didn't recognize myself.

How is your nose now?

Talk soon,
I logged in, will this post?

New as of today
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momnson

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 08/16/2013 :  15:48:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by anivoc

Jamesd

I thought the black salve was only suppose to have the 4 herbs? Why do people use the zinc chloride when it works without it?

There is so much information. My latest eschar removal has my husband and I quite concerned. Should I get a biopsy of the area before doing it again? I am trying to post pics but have to work on it.

Thanks
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jamesd

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 08/16/2013 :  21:58:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
healing salve goes like this- one 3.5oz jar vaseline 10 drops carbolic acid,10 drops iodine,1/4 teaspoon copper sulphate ground to a fine powder,best to warm vaseline mix well should be a light pink.you can find copper sulphate on ebay ,carbolic acid or phenol acohol by scrip,maybe a vet,anyone have a good source please post,good iodine is hard to find I think because of meth be sure your not allergic iodine not sure about copper allergies
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Chill

17 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2013 :  06:52:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Momnson, if you're concerned for whatever reason, please don't feel that consulting a doctor is a weak choice. The information on here is all over the place, the chemicals are hazardous and the replies might say things will work out fine when the people writing them just don't know enough about your situation.

If you and your husband have legitimate concerns, do your family a service and get it checked out.

Hope everything works out okay :)

Edited by - Chill on 08/19/2013 06:56:57
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hatlady

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2013 :  12:11:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I used Black Salve 6 weeks ago on a scalp lesion that was confirmed a basal cell carcinoma by a biopsy and it seemed to follow all the scenarios I have read about and seen on the Internet. the pain has left, but the eschar is still there. It has been loose for 2 weeks except for right in the center it is still attached. All the swelling seems to be going away. I am keeping it covered and coated with vasoline. I am a little concerned that it doesn't come off. Occasionally there is a little bleeding when I clean it off with peroxide each day. Thanks for any input!
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2013 :  06:07:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I continue to be grateful to all of the contributors to this site who have shared their real-life experiences; I have found them very helpful indeed. Using black salve has been a revelation to me. Having a choice around my treatment is essential and I think even those who have aired their strong opinions will remember this site and the discoveries that they have found. Should they be unfortunate enough to experience skin cancer and its often chronic nature, they may exercise their choice in a way that they protest fiercely against now. Of course, they would disagree with this possibility. However if they walked in the shoes of those with skin cancer.....
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 08/22/2013 :  17:25:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chill,

This site presents "skin cancer treatment and prevention information to enable NATURAL healing of squamous or basal cell carcinoma". So, consequently the people who visit this site who are dealing with skin cancer and posting on the forum are asking questions and seeking advice regarding ALTERNATIVE ways of dealing with their skin cancers.

You think you are being helpful by telling people to go to the doctor and that what they are using is hazardous. People aren't stupid and they are weighing up the information available to them and deciding what to do in their own individual case. They know perfectly well that they can see a doctor and, in many cases, already have.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2013 :  01:59:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WELL SAID CHERYL21 !!!!
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2013 :  03:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Jules!
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2013 :  12:39:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chemotherapy and Radiation are also hazardous; (Some, not all, of the many side effects are listed below.... some even irreversible, including Death);

Chemotherapy Drug Possible Side Effects
(Not all side effects are listed. Some of those listed may be short-term side effects; others are long-term side effects.)

carboplatin (Paraplatin)

usually given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the ovary, head and neck, and lung

decrease in blood cell counts
hair loss (reversible)
confusion
nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhea (usually a short-term side effect occurring the first 24 to 72 hours following treatment)

cisplatin (Platinol, Platinol-AQ)

usually given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the bladder, ovary, and testicles

decrease in blood cell counts
allergic reaction, including a rash and/or labored breathing
nausea and vomiting that usually occurs for 24 hours or longer
ringing in ears and hearing loss
fluctuations in blood electrolytes
kidney damage

cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan, Neosar)

can be given intravenously (IV) or orally
used for lymphoma, breast cancer, and ovarian carcinoma

decrease in blood cell counts
nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain
decreased appetite
hair loss (reversible)
bladder damage
fertility impairment
lung or heart damage (with high doses)
secondary malignancies (rare)

doxorubicin (Adriamycin)

given intravenously (IV)
used for breast cancer, lymphoma, and multiple myeloma

decrease in blood cell counts
mouth ulcers
hair loss (reversible)
nausea and vomiting
heart damage

etoposide (VePesid)

can be given intravenously (IV) or orally
used for cancers of the lung, testicles, leukemia, and lymphoma

decrease in blood cell counts
hair loss (reversible)
nausea and vomiting
allergic reaction
mouth ulcers
low blood pressure (during administration)
decreased appetite
diarrhea and abdominal pain
bronchospasm
flu-like symptoms

fluorouracil (5-FU)

given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the colon, breast, stomach, and head and neck

decrease in blood cell counts
diarrhea
mouth ulcers
photosensitivity
dry skin

gemcitabine (Gemzar)

given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the pancreas, breast, ovary, and lung

decrease in blood cell counts
nausea and vomiting
fever and flu-like symptoms
rash

irinotecan (Camptosar)

given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the colon and rectum

decrease in blood cell counts
diarrhea
hair loss (reversible)

methotrexate
(Folex, Mexate, Amethopterin)

may be given intravenously (IV), intrathecally (into the spinal column), or orally
used for cancers of the breast, lung, blood, bone, and lymph system

decrease in blood cell counts
nausea and vomiting
mouth ulcers
skin rashes and photosensitivity
dizziness, headache, or drowsiness
kidney damage (with a high-dose therapy)
liver damage
hair loss (reversible)
seizures
paclitaxel (Taxol)

given intravenously (IV)
used with cancers of the breast, ovary, and lung

decrease in blood cell counts
allergic reaction
nausea and vomiting
loss of appetite
change in taste
thin or brittle hair
joint pain (short term)
numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes

topotecan (Hycamtin)

given intravenously (IV)
used for cancers of the ovary and lung

decrease in blood cell counts
diarrhea
hair loss (reversible)
nausea and vomiting

vincristine
(Oncovin, Vincasar PFS)

usually given intravenously (IV)
used for leukemia and lymphoma

numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes
weakness
loss of reflexes
jaw pain
hair loss (reversible)
constipation or abdominal cramping

vinblastine (Velban)

given intravenously (IV)
used for lymphoma and cancers of the testis and head and neck

decrease in blood cell counts
hair loss (reversible)
constipation or abdominal cramping
jaw pain
numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes

* Since I copied and pasted the above information, it may not view correctly... please use the following link;

Stanford Medicine School of Medicine Stanford Cancer Center Understanding Cancer Cancer Treatment Methods
http://cancer.stanford.edu/information/cancerTreatment/methods/chemotherapy.html

"Properly prepared" Bloodroot Salve/Paste w/Zinc Chloride (Recipes are within this Web Site that have been implemented and are known to be safe)...is NOT hazardous to healthy tissue at all. Period.. Tens of thousands of Cancer Survivors (Including myself), can attest to this. Here's is only one of thousands of great articles about the healing Properties of Bloodroot; www.naturalnews.com/039803_indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html

The WHO (World Health Organization) acknowledges that many Chemotherapy CAUSES Cancers; http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/chemo-and-radiation-actually-make-cancer-more-malignant

GOD has provided each and every one of us with a wonderful mechanism called the Immune System.... and He's populated the Earth with every thing we need for the healing of that Immune System which ultimately brings about the Cure. (Not a single Product on the Earth CURES or HEALS us.... they just enable the Immune System to kick back in and do it's Job... the restored/repaired Immune System is what brings us to healing/cures)... it's up to each and every one of us to individually decide WHICH path is right for us. Doctors are that path for most, but for some of us Doctors are not an option, so we turn to GOD, Nature, and one another for the support and encouragement that we require once we've made our choices. Not every one of us will have a great outcome..... (Regardless of whether we choose the traditional Medical Route or the Holistic/Natural one)....

I pray over this Forum and it's Members. I pray GOD leads many to their healing paths that lay within these walls. "Amen"
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2013 :  17:43:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

Psalm 7:10
My shield is God Most High, who saves the upright in heart.

Psalm 12:7
You, LORD, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,

Psalm 31:23
Love the LORD, all his faithful people! The LORD preserves those who are true to him, but the proud he pays back in full.

Psalm 34:14
Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.

Psalm 37:40
The LORD helps them and delivers them; he delivers them from the wicked and saves them, because they take refuge in him.

Psalm 145:20
The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2013 :  17:50:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Psalm 97:10

"Ye that love the Lord, hate evil." For he hates it, his fire consumes it, his lightnings blast it, his presence shakes it out of its place, and his glory confounds all the lovers of it. We cannot love God without hating that which he hates. We are not only to avoid evil, and to refuse to countenance it, but we must be in arms against it, and bear towards it a hearty indignation. "He preserveth the souls of his saints." Therefore they need not be afraid of proclaiming war with the party which favours sin. The saints are the safe ones: they have been saved and shall be saved. God keeps those who keep his law. Those who love the Lord shall see his love manifested to them in their preservation from their enemies, and as they keep far from evil so shall evil be kept far from them. "He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." It is not consistent with the glory of his name to give over to the power of his foes those whom his grace has made his friends. He may leave the bodies of his persecuted saints in the hand of the wicked, but not their souls, these are very dear to him, and he preserves them safe in his bosom. This foretells for the church a season of battling with the powers of darkness, but the Lord will preserve it and bring it forth to the light.
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Dave2001

USA
23 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2013 :  15:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A massive thread that opens lot of questions, but after all, we do not need to be too biased in final conclusions, independently of our core beliefs what is right.
I saw too may deaths of friends and relatives after 3rd/4th stage cancers treated coventionally. Noone actually survived for any substantial period (3+ years).
I know personally 3 cancer survivors, after conventional medicine's verdict was that remaining time to live is 2-3 months and stopped any further attempts, except prescribing pain killers. All well documented.
I didn't study what exactly helped those people and all of them didn't publicize their healing miracles (being older people without Internet literacy etc.).
I have no experience with black salve in particular and cannot vauch for or against it, but I believe and hope that some credible foundation or fund will recognize a need and trigger (read-finance) scientific trial under impartial medical supervision to find out the truth behind claims, what may indeed be of help for millions suffering from similar conditions.
There are many reasons not to trust some doctors (I had few very nasty experiences), but of course not to all of them. Big Pharma and many MDs share similar professional interests, which may conflict (to extent) with interest of patients.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2013 :  15:55:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave2001

I believe and hope that some credible foundation or fund will recognize a need and trigger (read-finance) scientific trial under impartial medical supervision to find out the truth behind claims, what may indeed be of help for millions suffering from similar conditions.




This is my same wish Dave2001
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bonder

USA
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Posted - 09/01/2013 :  15:24:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Y'know Hmatt843...

Folks like you make me sick !!


Hi Horrux,

(I understand you are likely trying to save money and that you are trying to keep high hopes, but I would encourage you to please reconsider your route of treatment and seek truly professional care. Your health should be of utmost concern and is not something to be toyed or experimented with. Please consider my words more seriously than you may be initially inclined to.)


Who is paying you to come here and down-play one of the common-man's only choices left to treat cancer without huge expense???

Cave-Man-Like tools that simply cut into and spew-open the disease and spread cancer more widely due to the harshly ignorant process of exposing your bloodstream to the disease is ineffective, then calling the surgery a success until the next time when they say ...

" Well, we could not see this part of the disease" ?

The American medical community has made billions of dollars from cancer and so I imagine it is pretty scary to see that natural ingredients like Blood Root AND Cannabis are costing so much less to cure such a terrible disease like this.

But, the time has finally come where enough humans are able to compare notes like only doctors could easily do beforehand and then come up with good solutions rather than the heartless and cruel pretenses of the American medical process that jacked the cost of care past the levels of millions of working Americans due to Republican efforts to maximize profits for their clients...

We would all love to be able to just hop in the convertible and let our qualified and experienced doctor cure our simple skin problems but, you know what? THEY CAN'T DO IT !

All that ever happens is people I know or are in my family get butchered and go through tremendous pain and maybe if they are lucky, their very own immune system kicks in for them and they quit drinking or smoking for a while so that their bodies can catch up.

Too many Americans are too ignorant of the fact that the crap that is in fast food or sugar sodas damages our insides so much that we don't stand a chance from illness after a while and that because of this, something is bound to give sometime...

And now the sun is beating down upon us like never before so that a poor old man with no hair left is bound to get skin cancer even if he lives in Alaska !!

I wont go to a doctor for my skin cancer until I know without a doubt that I cant change my diet, apply a salve or cream or perhaps ingest a liquid immune system enhancer to do the job first.

Because I can afford it, I have faith in this process and I wont have chemical-pills shoved down my throat every time I need help.

These poisons usually tell me right on the bag how the crap may make me ill in the future. How stupid should I be ????

Freaking Criminals...

Be Well Always,

Bonder





Edited by - bonder on 09/05/2013 09:51:07
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momnson

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2013 :  21:51:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have decided because of the pain of my most recent mycosis fundoides removal 2" x 3" x 1 1/4" deep that I will not put my poor body through that again.

I am now using HERBAL PLUS Black Salve from Support 4 Heath, internally. I still have several skin spots I need to do; however now that I know I have CK/T-Cell Lymphoma I am going to do the major cleanse and hopefully kill my EBV and HHV-6 viruses along the way. It will pull ALL irregular cells from your body, break down any tumors and your body eliminates it through the normal cleansing process.

DO RESEARCH, but I won't have any more huge scars, painful and bedridden for months at a time and hopefully help with my other health issues.

I will try to post some pictures of my latest removal. Having a hard time getting them to upload




quote:
Originally posted by Horrux

OK so I have been using Black salve to successfully cure my skin cancer. 3 of my most prominent cancerous lesions fell out exactly 2 weeks after initial application. Here is my youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5ZAHbQyq3OyZY7Jt-OAQmjTiSHGjyJi

After the success of the initial application, and the fairly low pain experienced, I decided to move ahead with a more ambitious plan. This time, I am covering an area between 3 and 4 times the size of a quarter. Also, I am targeting cancer which is deeper than the first time around.

And this time, boy, am I ever in pain. In my initial round, I would rate my pain about a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, with occasional spikes to 4. During the second round, I have experienced days on end with a solid 8, with some rare spikes to a 9, where moaning and writhing from it becomes unavoidable. I had some codeine, and I ran through it quickly. I went to my doc for more, and luckily he was willing to comply, with the caveat that regulations prevented him from prescribing any more painkillers.

Now though, my cancer is halfway out, not detached all around, so clearly there is still work that needs doing, and I just took my last 3 codeine pills. I have been supplementing them with Advil and Aspirin, but I fear my liver cannot take too much more of that, and certainly not enough to treat this degree of pain.

Are there any tips as to how to be rid of this pain?

If it matters, I am located near Montreal, in Eastern Canada.

Thanks

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Carole

15 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2013 :  21:39:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
(Hoping some of you who are using Black Salve are still reading the forum as this is my first post on this thread.) Have known about Black Salve for many years and we used it on a bad looking mole on my back years ago and it worked beautifully. I've had a BCC cancer, finally diagnosed more than a year ago, on the left side of my nose for probably more than five years but couldn't deal with it for a long time as I had kidney cancer and afterwards simply couldn't get my health back, losing more than 50 pounds afterwards. More than a year ago I began treating with iodine and posted on that thread for months. I have worked on it off an on for more than a year and it is still there and maybe worse. Must try something else.

I haven't wanted to use black salve on my face but absolutely will never go the medical route again as "the experts" destroyed my health with and the surgeries and treatments. For one, I was prescribed the antibiotic Levaquin, leaving me with many devastating, lifelong symptoms to live with as hundreds of others also describe on the internet. I'm past 70 now so figure I couldn't do worse myself using natural things than "the experts" did with their treatments.

I read almost all of the previous posts but the many attack posts throughout the summer I've just skimmed through as it is too much dirt-slinging to wade through. Obviously, most are aware that there is no guarantee of how one's cancer treatment will turn out (whether choosing the natural way OR the medical way. I can say without a doubt that I would never have gone the medical route with my kidney cancer IF I'd known how bad it would turn out) and I want to say how much I admire many here such as Hoxey, and others who have gone through such a lot taking responsibility for their own health. I still don't know what I'll do yet about my nose BCC but I'm sure there may very well be much more under the surface even than it appears and it does look bad. I am still struggling with other issues but must decide what I want to try soon.

I'd be interested to know what brands of Black Salve others are using that have had success. The brand I used years ago is "Herbal Plus" and it has the four normal herbs and also zinc, I believe.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 10/14/2013 :  01:15:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Carole

(Hoping some of you who are using Black Salve are still reading the forum as this is my first post on this thread.) Have known about Black Salve for many years and we used it on a bad looking mole on my back years ago and it worked beautifully. I've had a BCC cancer, finally diagnosed more than a year ago, on the left side of my nose for probably more than five years but couldn't deal with it for a long time as I had kidney cancer and afterwards simply couldn't get my health back, losing more than 50 pounds afterwards. More than a year ago I began treating with iodine and posted on that thread for months. I have worked on it off an on for more than a year and it is still there and maybe worse. Must try something else.

I haven't wanted to use black salve on my face but absolutely will never go the medical route again as "the experts" destroyed my health with and the surgeries and treatments. For one, I was prescribed the antibiotic Levaquin, leaving me with many devastating, lifelong symptoms to live with as hundreds of others also describe on the internet. I'm past 70 now so figure I couldn't do worse myself using natural things than "the experts" did with their treatments.

I read almost all of the previous posts but the many attack posts throughout the summer I've just skimmed through as it is too much dirt-slinging to wade through. Obviously, most are aware that there is no guarantee of how one's cancer treatment will turn out (whether choosing the natural way OR the medical way. I can say without a doubt that I would never have gone the medical route with my kidney cancer IF I'd known how bad it would turn out) and I want to say how much I admire many here such as Hoxey, and others who have gone through such a lot taking responsibility for their own health. I still don't know what I'll do yet about my nose BCC but I'm sure there may very well be much more under the surface even than it appears and it does look bad. I am still struggling with other issues but must decide what I want to try soon.

I'd be interested to know what brands of Black Salve others are using that have had success. The brand I used years ago is "Herbal Plus" and it has the four normal herbs and also zinc, I believe.




I just sent you a private email Carole.
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 10/15/2013 :  22:38:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Dave and Blonde Ambition....The fact is the testing, the studies have already been done by the inventor of Mohs surgery. Bloodroot paste's efficacy has already been professionally medically studied and the results are quite clear it is an excellent anti cancer compound. I started a new thread and made it a sticky in regards to the TRUTH about bloodroot paste / AKA Zinc Chloride paste..HERE

Based upon the information I have shared there...IMO it is almost criminal, certainly negligent of the medical community and the schools that educate them that the average dermatologist and worse yet plastic surgeons doing Mohs surgery are not properly educated on Bloodroot paste.

If you take the time to go through and read the articles and information I've provided...I'm pretty certain you will find yourself asking how in the world can this be?

How can medical doctors, the people who are licensed and are supposed to know better than us, be unaware of the power and efficacy of this chemical compound and the history of it's use by Dr. Mohs himself?

One has to step back and ask...how much more critical knowledge / valuable information are they not being taught during their extensive and rigorous medical training and education. The education that allows them to be called a doctor and that the average lay person then puts his or her's life's trust and well being into?

Frustrating indeed..

Edited by - anivoc on 10/16/2013 07:59:47
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robbiethegood

35 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2013 :  23:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Agreed with Anivoc. Not much more to add currently.

Except to say that the paste will tend in my experience, to react on precancerous tissue, as well as cancerous. It will not react on normal tissue, providing you've gotten it from reputable sources. There are also several differing strengths of the paste too. It's a question of learning a bit of skill, like how and where to apply it.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2013 :  00:37:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

To Dave and Blonde Ambition....The fact is the testing, the studies have already been done by the inventor of Mohs surgery. Bloodroot paste's efficacy has already been professionally medically studied and the results are quite clear it is an excellent anti cancer compound. I started a new thread and made it a sticky in regards to the TRUTH about bloodroot paste / AKA Zinc Chloride paste..HERE

Based upon the information I have shared there...IMO it is almost criminal, certainly negligent of the medical community and the schools that educate them that the average dermatologist and worse yet plastic surgeons doing Mohs surgery are not properly educated on Bloodroot paste.

If you take the time to go through and read the articles and information I've provided...I'm pretty certain you will find yourself asking how in the world can this be?

How can medical doctors, the people who are licensed and are supposed to know better than us, be unaware of the power and efficacy of this chemical compound and the history of it's use by Dr. Mohs himself?

One has to step back and ask...how much more critical knowledge / valuable information are they not being taught during their extensive and rigorous medical training and education. The education that allows them to be called a doctor and that the average lay person then puts his or her's life's trust and well being into?

Frustrating indeed..



It's beyond frustrating! ... It's criminal.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2013 :  00:40:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robbiethegood


Agreed with Anivoc. Not much more to add currently.

Except to say that the paste will tend in my experience, to react on precancerous tissue, as well as cancerous. It will not react on normal tissue, providing you've gotten it from reputable sources. There are also several differing strengths of the paste too. It's a question of learning a bit of skill, like how and where to apply it.



Thank you robbiethegood for reinforcing these facts with us.
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aehinkley

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Posted - 11/20/2013 :  18:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have any updates of improvement from the surgeries, Hoxsey? Please let us see.
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saved1978

Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 11/23/2013 :  01:37:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Yes so good Gods Word, even in these days after YOLANDA (my wifes Filipino)we need to be unshakeable!These are days of shaking, "And this word, yet once more, signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain" Hebrews 12:27 Keep up the good work Bro/sis!
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Originally posted by BlondeAmbition3

Psalm 97:10

"Ye that love the Lord, hate evil." For he hates it, his fire consumes it, his lightnings blast it, his presence shakes it out of its place, and his glory confounds all the lovers of it. We cannot love God without hating that which he hates. We are not only to avoid evil, and to refuse to countenance it, but we must be in arms against it, and bear towards it a hearty indignation. "He preserveth the souls of his saints." Therefore they need not be afraid of proclaiming war with the party which favours sin. The saints are the safe ones: they have been saved and shall be saved. God keeps those who keep his law. Those who love the Lord shall see his love manifested to them in their preservation from their enemies, and as they keep far from evil so shall evil be kept far from them. "He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." It is not consistent with the glory of his name to give over to the power of his foes those whom his grace has made his friends. He may leave the bodies of his persecuted saints in the hand of the wicked, but not their souls, these are very dear to him, and he preserves them safe in his bosom. This foretells for the church a season of battling with the powers of darkness, but the Lord will preserve it and bring it forth to the light.

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Horrux

Canada
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Posted - 11/23/2013 :  10:53:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hmatt843

Hi Horrux,

I understand you are likely trying to save money and that you are trying to keep high hopes, but I would encourage you to please reconsider your route of treatment and seek truly professional care. Your health should be of utmost concern and is not something to be toyed or experimented with. Please consider my words more seriously than you may be initially inclined to.



You know what's funny, you ignorant person? I live in Canada and all "health care" (more like disease insurance) is free. Free to be sick! Free to get cut up, nuked, and poisoned by doctors! For free! Yay!

That out of the way, I am very much taking care of business, and you can see on my youtube channel that I am making some very good headway on this cancer which was spread on my chest by ... a DERMATOLOGIST.

As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Well, I'm not getting fooled twice. I am doing what makes sense for my medical condition.
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Carole

15 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2013 :  13:18:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We finally treated the basal cell cancer on the left side of my nose with black salve on December 4th. It is December 19th and yesterday the deepest and last part came out. I could not have hoped for a better outcome and feel so incredibly blessed! We knew cancer covered a good-sided area; however, after 12 hours we knew we must reapply because much of the obviously affected area still had not responded. So we applied the salve again and waited another 12 hours. I was expecting a bad situation but the cancer had mostly spread horizontally rather than deep. The remainder that came out yesterday left a very small hole and I even believe that in time it will fill in and should leave minimal scaring!
Obviously, it would have been much better to have done this probably five years ago but God has created a miracle for me. Now I want to encourage others as they seek to experience a natural solution for their own cancers. I truly believe the Black Salve only affects cancerous cells and it does an efficient job with minimal damage which is much different than having the cancer cut out.
I did try something different instead of using Vaseline to keep the area moist. I made my own salve using coconut oil and beeswax as I believe the coconut oil in itself is an excellent healing agent. I will be continuing to keep the entire area coated for some time while it continues with the healing process.
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2013 :  14:15:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Awesome Carole!

If you are so inclined to do so, before and after pictures are REALLY helpful to those that need encouragement.

Obviously we don't want manufacturers here touting their goods as that would be biased.

That said it is always good to hear when someone like yourself has had good results with a certain brand ..

If you don't mind please share where you acquired your Bloodroot paste and also what the ratio was in your coconut oil / beeswax salve..Love that you did that...

Congratulations!

Edited by - anivoc on 12/20/2013 10:24:53
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2013 :  19:58:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Horrux

quote:
Originally posted by hmatt843

Hi Horrux,

I understand you are likely trying to save money and that you are trying to keep high hopes, but I would encourage you to please reconsider your route of treatment and seek truly professional care. Your health should be of utmost concern and is not something to be toyed or experimented with. Please consider my words more seriously than you may be initially inclined to.



You know what's funny, you ignorant person? I live in Canada and all "health care" (more like disease insurance) is free. Free to be sick! Free to get cut up, nuked, and poisoned by doctors! For free! Yay!

That out of the way, I am very much taking care of business, and you can see on my youtube channel that I am making some very good headway on this cancer which was spread on my chest by ... a DERMATOLOGIST.

As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Well, I'm not getting fooled twice. I am doing what makes sense for my medical condition.



You have a right to be upset Horrux.... "FREE TO BE SICK HEALTH CARE" is the perfect description!
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2013 :  20:22:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Carole

We finally treated the basal cell cancer on the left side of my nose with black salve on December 4th. It is December 19th and yesterday the deepest and last part came out. I could not have hoped for a better outcome and feel so incredibly blessed! We knew cancer covered a good-sided area; however, after 12 hours we knew we must reapply because much of the obviously affected area still had not responded. So we applied the salve again and waited another 12 hours. I was expecting a bad situation but the cancer had mostly spread horizontally rather than deep. The remainder that came out yesterday left a very small hole and I even believe that in time it will fill in and should leave minimal scaring!
Obviously, it would have been much better to have done this probably five years ago but God has created a miracle for me. Now I want to encourage others as they seek to experience a natural solution for their own cancers. I truly believe the Black Salve only affects cancerous cells and it does an efficient job with minimal damage which is much different than having the cancer cut out.
I did try something different instead of using Vaseline to keep the area moist. I made my own salve using coconut oil and beeswax as I believe the coconut oil in itself is an excellent healing agent. I will be continuing to keep the entire area coated for some time while it continues with the healing process.



I'm so happy with your outcome Carole!... and Thank you for sharing your personal recipe healing salve, I've made a note of it.
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Carole

15 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  09:05:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Awesome Carole!

If you are so inclined to do so, before and after pictures are REALLY helpful to those that need encouragement.

Obviously we don't want manufacturers here touting their goods as that would be biased.

That said it is always good to hear when someone like yourself has had good results with a certain brand ..

If you don't mind please share where you acquired your Bloodroot paste and also what the ratio was in your coconut oil / beeswax salve..Love that you did that...

Congratulations!


Unfortunately we don't own a camera so I'm not able to get pictures. I'll try to describe the thing - originally it seemed to be a skin tag and I scratched it off probably more than 5 years ago. Before long the area became a sore and bled off and on for years. At the time I was also dealing with kidney cancer and after surgeries became very ill and wasn't able to deal with the BCC for several years.

Now I believe I know why everything turned out so badly after having surgery.(I certainly wish I had continued to use the Black Salve tablets and Zeolites because a second ultrasound had showed the cancer appeared to be smaller but I got scared.) This past August a new doctor diagnosed me (and my oldest daughter with the genetic defect MTHFR A1298C after having us do a blood test). This defect causes the body not to efficiently utilize folate. (The manmade form, folic acid, acts like a poison to one with this defect.) B12 is also involved and ultimately that whole methylation cycle, resulting in the buildup of toxins because the body isn't able to eliminate them efficiently.

I finally began using iodine about 1 1/2 years ago on the nose but every time I thought I had won the battle it would soon begin growing again. I had already used Black salve years before on my back with success and was confident it always worked; however, I hesitated to use it on my face, but the thing had definitely increased in size greatly, covering a majority of the left side of the nose and I suspected that having surgery done would probably cause me to lose a huge portion of the nose because in 2012 when a doctor diagnosed it as BCC he told me he would probably have to take skin from places such as between my eyes, for example, to cover the area and it sounded terrible.

I finally came to the place when I believed I might be able to endure the pain and still be able to get some sleep with doing it ourselves. (Incredible insomnia has been one of the symptoms of using the drug Levaquin in preparation to do the kidney surgery.)

The pain of having the Black Salve on the first 12 hours was very minor; the last 12 hours was terrible but I was able to sleep a little and since then I consider the whole process has been incredibly easy and the outcome is truly a miracle!

I believed the Black Salve I used was the Herbal Plus Brand; however, after checking with the company recently I was told it was most likely their previous product name Can-X. There is no label on the container.

The coconut oil/beeswax salve I made was 4 oz. of coconut oil and 1/2 oz. of beeswax originally. I thought it somewhat hard afterwards so added a little additional coconut oil and warmed it again and mixed together. Coconut oil is hard below about 76 degrees so it works better if it is kept somewhat warm. After putting on the skin it doesn't run or smear - stays in place and I believe it is superior to Vaseline.
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  09:41:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Carole!

Very cool that you were successful and you didn't lose a lot of your nose in the process.

Re: the salve
Wow the ratio you describe is 8 to 1 on the salve... I have been experimenting first with just olive oil and beeswax and then later also adding coconut oil..
Beeswax is hard, I was going at first 3 to 1 , then 4 to 1 but it is still a little hard...

The Chickweed healing salve that I have purchased in the past is the perfect consistency for a healing salve ...it's just a hassle to get and a little expensive when you add the shipping..It ends up being @ $20 for a 4 oz tin...just too much for something I can make for a lot less.

being as it is for sure at minimum 60-70% olive oil probably more ..seems pretty expensive and my homemade stuff works every bit as good. I buy my beeswax off of ebay you can buy 1lb for @ $16 delivered...

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Shez

Australia
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Posted - 01/13/2014 :  07:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Hoxsey,
I wish i read your post before i used salve.
I basically made the exact same mistake. Everything you said in all of your posts were the exact the same questions i was asking myself.

I had a confirmed BCC on my left shoulder blade, it was the size of a grain of rice.
I made some salve from the recipe on the "one answer to cancer" dvd and did a test patch on my foot. It all seemed good so I put the salve all around it, about 3cm sqaured, i wanted to make sure i had got it all....the entire patch reacted. A giant escher formed and fell out.

I was by now a member of a black salve facebook support group and was posting photos, there was alot of white stuff in the wound so everyone told me to reaply the salve to the open wound which i did, this time an even bigger escher formed and fell out.
To cut a long story short, after two salves, i now have a huge, thick, lumpy horrendous scar on my back the size of the palm of my hand. Every night i look at it in the mirror and want to cry at what i have done to myself. I am disfigured.

Ive since done test patches in sun damaged areas such as other parts of my back and my arms and EVERYWHERE reacts. So how can all of this be cancer?? If it is indeed true that salve only reacts to cancer then my whole upper body is a giant cancer. How could this be possible?

Through my own experience, i now truly believe that the salve reacts to ANY skin that is very badly sundamaged, not just cancer.
And i also believe that if the both of us had of had MOHs surgery instead, we would not have the scars we have now. Im sorry to say that out loud. And i cant imagine what you went through because what i went through is not as bad as you and it has still been the worst thing thats ever happened to me. But i too lay at night and ask these same questions and i try and tell my self that i did the right thing, but i know deep down that i am lying to myself.

I'm all for natural therapies and i know what the medical industry is like, liars, but think of this everyone...if your cancer is the size of a dollar coin, well that is its size, and if you go and have MOHs surgery, they will take it all out, and yeah that sux, and if you use black salve, you will take it all out too...the only difference is, with MOHs you know its all gone, with black salve you are just guessing.
Both will leave you scarred, so what is the difference?
The difference is this, with the doctor you can sleep at night because you know it its all gone and they only took what they needed to.
How do i know if the monstrosity i have on my back now was worth it?
I will never know.

Despite my bad experience, i am not against black salve, but none of us know how it works, we are all guessing and making assumptioms as best as we can, but we are all just human guinea pigs.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 01/13/2014 :  20:19:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shez

Hey Hoxsey,
I wish i read your post before i used salve.
I basically made the exact same mistake. Everything you said in all of your posts were the exact the same questions i was asking myself.

I had a confirmed BCC on my left shoulder blade, it was the size of a grain of rice.
I made some salve from the recipe on the "one answer to cancer" dvd and did a test patch on my foot. It all seemed good so I put the salve all around it, about 3cm sqaured, i wanted to make sure i had got it all....the entire patch reacted. A giant escher formed and fell out.

I was by now a member of a black salve facebook support group and was posting photos, there was alot of white stuff in the wound so everyone told me to reaply the salve to the open wound which i did, this time an even bigger escher formed and fell out.
To cut a long story short, after two salves, i now have a huge, thick, lumpy horrendous scar on my back the size of the palm of my hand. Every night i look at it in the mirror and want to cry at what i have done to myself. I am disfigured.

Ive since done test patches in sun damaged areas such as other parts of my back and my arms and EVERYWHERE reacts. So how can all of this be cancer?? If it is indeed true that salve only reacts to cancer then my whole upper body is a giant cancer. How could this be possible?

Through my own experience, i now truly believe that the salve reacts to ANY skin that is very badly sundamaged, not just cancer.
And i also believe that if the both of us had of had MOHs surgery instead, we would not have the scars we have now. Im sorry to say that out loud. And i cant imagine what you went through because what i went through is not as bad as you and it has still been the worst thing thats ever happened to me. But i too lay at night and ask these same questions and i try and tell my self that i did the right thing, but i know deep down that i am lying to myself.

I'm all for natural therapies and i know what the medical industry is like, liars, but think of this everyone...if your cancer is the size of a dollar coin, well that is its size, and if you go and have MOHs surgery, they will take it all out, and yeah that sux, and if you use black salve, you will take it all out too...the only difference is, with MOHs you know its all gone, with black salve you are just guessing.
Both will leave you scarred, so what is the difference?
The difference is this, with the doctor you can sleep at night because you know it its all gone and they only took what they needed to.
How do i know if the monstrosity i have on my back now was worth it?
I will never know.

Despite my bad experience, i am not against black salve, but none of us know how it works, we are all guessing and making assumptioms as best as we can, but we are all just human guinea pigs.



I've removed MANY Cancers from all over my body with my own formulation of Black Salve... which is a 'traditional' 30 percent Zinc Chloride/bloodroot formulation (along with some other herbs, oils and DMSO)... but my experience has not been the same as yours.... only 'bad/Cancerous' skin reacts... The healthy skin on my body does not react whatsoever. I've been researching this a long time, and I know DOZENS of Friends and Family Members who have used 'traditional' MOHS and/chemo/and/radiation/and surgery instead of bloodroot, and I'm here to tell you that ALL of them were told the Cancer was gone and they were in remission and/or cured. Well, I'm sorry to say that ALL of them are now departed and only my younger Sister and myself are still here, so while you can choose to believe "you can rest assured they got it all", I know for a FACT that you cannot. I am not a human guinea pig.... I'm a LIVING breathing survivor of CANCER.... and I owe it ALL to bloodroot.
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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 01/16/2014 :  10:36:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Shez-
Interesting story. I think you're right... I guess we are both giant walking precancerous/cancerous specimens? I believe bs does allow your body to identify and attack cancer cells. However it will also kill abnormal cells, common black salve knowledge. We, and surely plenty of others are the same. Something had to have been different about my skin cells where the bs was applied. All precancerous? . The biopsies just outside of the eschar area confirmed they were not CANCEROUS cells, but could they have been pre cancerous/abnormal? Theres no way to know. So that's a little scary, and lets say the entire area WAS cancerous? Then there's got to be more, because there's no way I applied it exactly to the edges of the cancerous cells.
I actually just used bs again last week on a bb sized little grey skin bump that had recently popped up. I used the salve confidently, only covering the small area...it didn't react or hurt, but 24 hours later, had a little Eschar, three days later, out, next day pretty much filled in! Great!

But SOMETHING different is going on with my face. Like you, just about anywhere I touched it on my face, it would immediately start to sting. I wish someone could explain it or research it and figure out what the deal is. My guess is precancerous cells. but damn, if thats true, Im in for trouble ahead! I can put it on my arm or hand or mostly anywhere else with no reaction.

Black salve is great to use to remove small skin cancers. I just won't ever apply it to such a big area, ESPECIALLY not on the nose.

With your story, I'm curious... You said you applied 3cm. How did it get to be the size of a palm?
(Play the glad game... At least it's not in the middle of your face!). : )
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
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Posted - 01/16/2014 :  11:27:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hoxsey

Shez-
Interesting story. I think you're right... I guess we are both giant walking precancerous/cancerous specimens? I believe bs does allow your body to identify and attack cancer cells. However it will also kill abnormal cells, common black salve knowledge. We, and surely plenty of others are the same. Something had to have been different about my skin cells where the bs was applied. All precancerous? . The biopsies just outside of the eschar area confirmed they were not CANCEROUS cells, but could they have been pre cancerous/abnormal? Theres no way to know. So that's a little scary, and lets say the entire area WAS cancerous? Then there's got to be more, because there's no way I applied it exactly to the edges of the cancerous cells.
I actually just used bs again last week on a bb sized little grey skin bump that had recently popped up. I used the salve confidently, only covering the small area...it didn't react or hurt, but 24 hours later, had a little Eschar, three days later, out, next day pretty much filled in! Great!

But SOMETHING different is going on with my face. Like you, just about anywhere I touched it on my face, it would immediately start to sting. I wish someone could explain it or research it and figure out what the deal is. My guess is precancerous cells. but damn, if thats true, Im in for trouble ahead! I can put it on my arm or hand or mostly anywhere else with no reaction.

Black salve is great to use to remove small skin cancers. I just won't ever apply it to such a big area, ESPECIALLY not on the nose.

With your story, I'm curious... You said you applied 3cm. How did it get to be the size of a palm?
(Play the glad game... At least it's not in the middle of your face!). : )



So happy to hear from you Hoxsey!!!! (Doin' the 'happy dance' here just reading your post!).. and I'm doing my best to find more info re bloodroot and WHY some of us have faces that appear to be pre cancerous everywhere. (Which CAN be the case for those of us who were heavy Sun Worshipers)... I do know for certain that Bloodroot WILL react to Actinic Keratosis (and many other skin conditions considered to be pre-cancerous).... Many informative Web Sites and other informative Sites re Bloodroot have been 'pulled down' (if you will), by the "Powers that be". It's apparent "they" don't want People to discover the healing agents available outside the current Medical Paradigm. (For obvious reasons, such as GREED).... Have you ever seen photos of the people whose Derms prescribed Efudex to treat all of the pre-cancerous lesions on their faces? Oh my, if you haven't, you need to Google that now and the pictures will floor you as their faces are scabby messes (sometimes for months!) before they heal. I'm wondering if any one on this Forum knows if "Bloodroot" is in the Efudex formulations? Love to know that for certain.
Again Hoxsey, so happy to hear from you again and read your posts. After all, this particular thread is yours... and those of us who love and admire you hang for your every post.
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Hoxsey

USA
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Posted - 01/16/2014 :  18:41:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, Blonde ambition, I know you are a front runner in the bs online world, and I respect all you have to say!
I took down my icky photos today as it hasn't done much for the 'pro black salve' movement. I want this post to stress how important it is to use caution and as directed, to only apply very small amounts at a time, which at the time, I thought a quarter was a small amount. Not small enough in my case. Especially on the nose. I want to stress to others to do your OWN RESEARCH. I did my due diligence, and I was blown away that there were real cures for cancer out there that I had never heard of before... BLOWN away, like I had discovered the cure for cancer myself.... And I knew it was the way to go. But even with my due diligence, my case ended with a totally different result. It didn't turn out like the hundreds of other cases I saw photo proof of, especially Bill O'Leary's fantastic blog about his nose bcc salve experience. I did what he did and had extremely different results. I lost the entire area I covered plus all the cartilage beneath... ALL Of it so there were holes under the area I applied the salve...Bill lost a tiny spot out of the quarter sized spot he applied. So, people, know that my **** CAN happen to you. Or you could use bs and have perfect results... I just had perfect results with my little bb spot. My honey has an Eschar about to come out on his chest.
Anyway....

I guess my whole face is pre cancerous. Who knows. What I don't understand is why private donors don't come forward to pay for the research and testing of ALL the different natural cancer killing remedies that big pharma isnt willing to research, since they cannot patent or profit from these methods. Why? Or have they? Surely the philanthropists who donate generously have most all had a friend or family member affected with cancer at one time or another, so why wouldn't they want to contribute to researching natural methods as opposed to giving to the American cancer society or the Susan Komen whatever you call it? I'm just sayin.. Who can even do this kind of research? There are even websites where people donate to complete strangers. Maybe I will ask for donations if I know where to send them.

Good to connect with you, blondie! I'm still around... Just needed a break from this **** for a while.

Edited by - Hoxsey on 01/17/2014 17:52:12
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Carole

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Posted - 01/16/2014 :  19:45:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm extremely grateful for the outcome of my own BCC just recently; however, as I wrote earlier no one can possibly know how their personal situation will turn out after treatment whether they choose the medical route or use natural methods. There's simply no way of knowing the outcome. The left side of my nose is still red but everything has filled in except where the biopsy was done and most likely that will always be indented. But I'm so happy with the outcome that I will never complain about what my nose looks like the rest of my life!

The crime of all this is that these more gentle methods are hidden from the public when they definitely cause less pain and scarring besides the cost factor.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2014 :  20:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hoxsey

Thank you, Blonde ambition, I know you are a front runner in the bs online world, and I respect all you have to say!
I took down my icky photos today as it hasn't done much for the 'pro black salve' movement. I want this post to stress how important it is to use caution and as directed, to only apply very small amounts at a time, which at the time, I thought a quarter was a small amount. Not small enough in my case. Especially on the nose. I want to stress to others to do your OWN RESEARCH. I did my due diligence, and I was blown away that there were real cures for cancer out there that I had never heard of before... BLOWN away, like I had discovered the cure for cancer myself.... And I knew it was the way to go. But even with my due diligence, my case ended with a totally different result. It didn't turn out like the hundreds of other cases I saw photo proof of, especially Bill O'Leary's fantastic blog about his nose bcc salve experience. I did what he did and had extremely different results. I lost the entire area I covered. Bill lost a tiny spot out of the quarter sized spot he applied. So, people, know that my **** CAN happen to you. Or you could use bs and have perfect results... I just had perfect results with my little bb spot. My honey has an Eschar about to come out on his chest.
Anyway....

I guess my whole face is pre cancerous. Who knows. What I don't understand is why private donors don't come forward to pay for the research and testing of ALL the different natural cancer killing remedies that big pharma isnt willing to research, since they cannot patent or profit from these methods. Why? Or have they? Surely the philanthropists who donate generously have most all had a friend or family member affected with cancer at one time or another, so why wouldn't they want to contribute to researching natural methods as opposed to giving to the American cancer society or the Susan Komen whatever you call it? I'm just sayin.. Who can even do this kind of research? There are even websites where people donate to complete strangers. Maybe I will ask for donations if I know where to send them.

Good to connect with you, blondie! I'm still around... Just needed a break from this **** for a while.



Absolutely Hoxsey... the 'risks' for heavy disfigurement and scarring with Black Salve are REAL... and people NEED to be aware of this and heavy researching and due diligence before use is definitely in order. I'm also afraid countless numbers of brave People have attempted to fund researching for Black Salve (among other Cancer curing alternatives) and have met with failure and in many instances jail, due to BIG PHARMA and other "Powers that be" whose interests are motivated by money and Cancer 'sick' care. The REAL Money lies in SICK CARE, not cures. Twisted Medical Paradigm eh? I sure wish I knew how to win this fight regarding funding alternative Cancer Cures.... but I'm afraid it will forever exist only in our dreams because those that oppose us are far richer and more powerful than those that be for us. So very very sad.
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