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plainview

Australia
3 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2013 :  10:06:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Hoxsey, about reducing image size on ipads. There is no obvious way to edit image size directly but you can reduce image size in a round about way that is simple. Simply email any image you wish to reduce in size to yourself at your normal email address. Don't immediately press SEND. First look towards the top of the email you are sending to yourself and you will see something like Images: 650KB or Images 2.5MB. Tap on this and a list of image sizes will show up across the top to choose from. They usually range from very small to the original image size. Choose the size that suits before pressing SEND. If you save each image you receive from yourself it will be the reduced size you chose when sending it. If you use these saved images you should have no trouble uploading them to the forum. Regards and best wishes.

Edited by - plainview on 06/01/2013 10:38:22
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2013 :  14:10:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Hoxsey,

Here's what I found recommended for Ipad's that's free
photopad here's a link to a review and description

http://the-ipad-site.com/photopad-ipad-app-review/
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Deb

United Kingdom
18 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2013 :  11:01:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thought people on here who have helped me might like to know, I am still treating my nose; it seems a little stubborn. I get lots of little white eschars off it.
also placed the salve on two small red, itchy spots on my lower legs and both had a reaction. My left leg was quite a big reaction; in fact, I felt like I had been shot in it at one point. It is now about to come out but I fear the plaster which is sticky with lots of gunk might rip it out.
I actually feel quite ill today and had to come home from work at midday. I took a first dose of Essiac tea last night. I am also using almond kernels, organic juicing and am trying to avoid toxins (no sugar). Is this a detox feeling? I just want to lie in bed and snooze.
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2013 :  13:11:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI Deb,

Hard to say on the nausea but I know I felt "sick" when I treated multiple areas at one time...still trying "other things" trying to find that softer gentler approach so my jar of blood root paste is on the sidelines waiting to get called in.

I know if I do bring the bloodroot paste back into the game ..I will be applying it in small amounts to one tumor at a time...
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2013 :  13:38:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Deb

Thought people on here who have helped me might like to know, I am still treating my nose; it seems a little stubborn. I get lots of little white eschars off it.
also placed the salve on two small red, itchy spots on my lower legs and both had a reaction. My left leg was quite a big reaction; in fact, I felt like I had been shot in it at one point. It is now about to come out but I fear the plaster which is sticky with lots of gunk might rip it out.
I actually feel quite ill today and had to come home from work at midday. I took a first dose of Essiac tea last night. I am also using almond kernels, organic juicing and am trying to avoid toxins (no sugar). Is this a detox feeling? I just want to lie in bed and snooze.



I believe you are experiencing some Herxheimer to the de-toxifying methods that you're using as you described. I have copied and pasted the definition of Herxheimer here: The Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction is a reaction to endotoxins released by the death of harmful organisms within the body. In holistic medicine, it is sometimes referred to as a healing crisis, as it may coincide with recovery from an infectious disease, or a course of detoxification.[1].... the desire to 'snooze' is also indicative of your body experiencing 'healing' crisis mode. Don't fight your body.... nap, snooze and pamper yourself right now. Continue the juicing but I do recommend some solid foods also and perhaps cut back on the Essiac until the nausea eases up a bit. Please be careful NOT to disturb those Eschars on your leg.... the 'roots' have to come out completely or you may have to re-treat with the bloodroot.... each time you re-treat you risk more severe scarring. If you disturb or damage Eschars with Cancer still active you risk not getting all of the Cancer. I hope this was helpful and I wish you the best through this healing crisis and on your path towards optimal wellness. Bless you!
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2013 :  13:43:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

HI Deb,

Hard to say on the nausea but I know I felt "sick" when I treated multiple areas at one time...still trying "other things" trying to find that softer gentler approach so my jar of blood root paste is on the sidelines waiting to get called in.

I know if I do bring the bloodroot paste back into the game ..I will be applying it in small amounts to one tumor at a time...



Me too anivoc..... I treated several Cancers at one time and boy did I regret it... fortunately I had some pain meds or I don't believe I could have endured it. Even with the pain meds it was a bumpy ride... at times I felt like somebody was driving a jackhammer into my right temple. (I had to treat a many rooted tumor there 13 times before I felt I'd gotten it all). Yes, it's wise to treat only a single tumor or 'bad skin' area at a time... and have pain meds available... just in case.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2013 :  15:06:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My husband did a treatment on a general site (groin), 4 times in fact, over a period of time. The third time triggered a major detox through the bowels, and he was so sick he couldn't even keep down water at first so we drove 200 miles to our naturopath just to have that verified. Bloodroot has blood purification qualities as well as being specific to abnormal cells. But then Essiac is also for detoxing. Any time you detox, get ready for some degree of misery. The last time I detoxed, it was achieved with a 4-day water fast and when the toxins exited the tissues into the bloodstream, it was like the worst flu ever, particularly with muscle pains but it only lasted for the day. The only worst thing I went through was when I went into treatment with the naturopath. His "big guns" for treatment was Constitutional Hydrotherapy which stimulates the blood circulation and jump-starts the immune system. At that time, detox lasted for 2 weeks and it was horrendous, but then I was dealing with stomach cancer, arthritis, chronic bronchitis, ovarian cysts, low thyroid, anemia and a heart murmur. At the end of the 2 weeks I was recovered and remained well for 20 years. I've also had systemic reactions during a salve treatment. If it's involved with detoxing, it's a necessary evil...and it passes.
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inkylu

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 06/17/2013 :  14:43:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Hoxsey,
I am new to this forum, but started my foray into bs use in August of last year. I researched for months before trying it. I am SO HAPPY to hear that you have made it through to the other side of this ordeal! Having dealt with the medical profession and medical bills for many years, I would recommend that you get an ITEMIZATION of ALL CHARGES. Pore over every one. Without fail, every time we have done this we have found hundreds of dollars of bogus charges. The last time it happened, my husband had to go to the ER on Thankgiving day for a tetanus shot...850.00. After requesting itemization, we saw that they had charged us three times for the same shot, among many other false charges.

As to the bs, I used it on my nose on a small freckle that itched and bled sometimes. I used a tiny amount, and it became a humongous eschar, with severe pain shooting to the top of my head. Eventually it came out and I was concerned it went down into the cartilage, but it did fill in. I had to treat it twice. I probably should do it again just to be absolutely sure, but I have many places that are in need of treatment. There were 5 sores that would not heal on my forearm that I also started treating last August, and I have lost track of how many treatments I have done on them (at least 15). Two finally healed all the way, but 3 of them still aren't finished. I can now tell when the site is clean. I have lost a lot of muscle tissue from all this. I had visited 4 dermatologists over the course of 10 years about sores on my arms that wouldn't heal, and all I was ever told was that I have keratosis pilaris, and to stop picking at them and they would heal. Now I am convinced that it is some form of cancer. I do not intend on stopping with the black salve until they are gone, and I am disgusted with dermatologists for not suggesting a biopsy when I specifically went for these open sores!

Anyway, THANK YOU for posting your story and your pics. I think you are beautiful and brave. And your story has encouraged me and further educated me and I am truly grateful... I wish you all the best and I hope you will post a pic once your ordeal is completely finished.

Tammy
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Hoxsey

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 06/23/2013 :  12:01:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey all,
Deb, I hope the nose is healing up and getting better! I can't answer any of your questions, but I would agree with blonde ambition and others, it being a herxheimer reaction.
Thank you for the image reducing help! I am feeling lazy on this rainy Sunday and don't feel like posting stuff right now, but I will update about my healing- it has really started to shrink up noticeably over the last week or so, and is becoming less and less noticeable! I still wear a small strip of skin colored tape over the most recent suture line, but I feel like I'll be tape free within a month or so...
Inkylu, thank you for your kind post, I am still in the process of waiting for my HR insurance lady to deal with my insurance company to find out why they considered most of my surgery as a 'non-covered' type of procedure, as if it was not necessary, and to hopefully get them to pay for a reasonable portion of it. As of right now, they only covered about $1,500 out of The billed $30,000 surgeons fee. Ridiculous. Once that is all done with, I will ask for itemization of charges. Thank you or your helpful information!
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 06/23/2013 :  21:44:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hoxsey

Hey all,
Deb, I hope the nose is healing up and getting better! I can't answer any of your questions, but I would agree with blonde ambition and others, it being a herxheimer reaction.
Thank you for the image reducing help! I am feeling lazy on this rainy Sunday and don't feel like posting stuff right now, but I will update about my healing- it has really started to shrink up noticeably over the last week or so, and is becoming less and less noticeable! I still wear a small strip of skin colored tape over the most recent suture line, but I feel like I'll be tape free within a month or so...
Inkylu, thank you for your kind post, I am still in the process of waiting for my HR insurance lady to deal with my insurance company to find out why they considered most of my surgery as a 'non-covered' type of procedure, as if it was not necessary, and to hopefully get them to pay for a reasonable portion of it. As of right now, they only covered about $1,500 out of The billed $30,000 surgeons fee. Ridiculous. Once that is all done with, I will ask for itemization of charges. Thank you or your helpful information!




So great to see a post from you Hoxsey... you're continually in my thoughts and prayers. Continue to heal, we're here for you.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 06/24/2013 :  02:50:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am with you Blondeambition - happy to hear all is going well, and we are definitely there for you Hoxsey.
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inkylu

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 06/25/2013 :  08:29:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are quite welcome, Hoxsey! And as for the amount of money they end up charging you, the Patient Accounts office will try to get you to pay it all by putting it on a credit card, or try to get you to agree to monstrous payments so as to get it paid in a year or so, but you can pay as little as $10 a month and they can't do anything about it. I always have told them that is what I can pay, and then when I am able to I pay more one it to get rid of the bill. The purpose of keeping the payment low is not to shortchange them, but so that we aren't stretched beyond our limit. My husband is a contractor who up until May was uninsured. We have handled many hospital bills this way. You can also ask for financial help from the hospital. They make you jump through ridiculous hoops, but many times the savings are totally worth it.

I apologize for this being off topic, but in a convoluted way, I feel it is KIND of connected. Any time we self treat, we run the risk of having to go to an ER for pain management or backup, and I feel its important to have this vital information.

I wish all of you the very best with using the BS. I'm in between applications right now, and dreading the next one, because the last time I did it the pain was dreadful...hang in there everybody!
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 06/25/2013 :  11:30:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info Inkylu

The $10 a month advice is great...

I repeat that it is always better negotiating what you are going to be responsible for paying prior to services rendered, than after the fact.

It was @ 15 years ago but we were able to get our orthopedic surgeon and the hospital to accept what Blue Cross would pay as payment in full..This simple request saved us 10's of thousands of dollars...

The medical world is out of touch with reality. The vicious circle of Doctors getting sued by lawyers,resulting in outrageous settlements and then the insurance companies that had to pay those settlements raising the Doctors malpractice insurance, which in the end we the patients pay the price for...crazy vicious circle spiraling out of control.
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Kitty

1 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2013 :  16:09:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all! I have read all your black salve experience and would like to ask a question. I don't have melanoma but maybe someone out there can give me ideas what to do next. I have invasive and in situ ductal carcinoma and they were small one is 2 cm, the other is 1.5 cm but after the biopsy it grew very fast. I have tried bs on the biggest one which is then around 4 cm. I applied bs last October 2012. It is now July, 2013 and my breast has not healed yet. It is open and sometimes still bleeds. I do not know what to do...I am panicking and just want to have the doctor chopped it off. The main reason why we did not go for the conventional treatment is that I have other health concerns. My naturopath said that it will not be good to go for the conventional treatment at that time because my system is very weak. I am trying all these and it frustrates us because alternative therapies are not cheap. I am fighting this disease for two years and there is no light at the end of this dark tunnel. I look at my daughter and just want to cry all day. I am stuck..I want to continue to apply the black salve on the other site but not sure if this one will also be an open wound for a long time...
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2013 :  19:33:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kitty,
You mentioned these were small lesions...but a 1 cm lesion is @ 3/4" ( not so small) were you meaning millimeter not centimeters?

I know ductal is a more serious breast cancer. My mom had it in her 80 and and that age it was a no brainer for her to have her breast removed.

You mentioned Black Salve but did not mention a name..

There are many brands out there and not all have bloodroot and zinc chloride ( the two most important ingredients IMO.

Though I have heard bloodroot paste used for many different cancers including breast cancers, generally when I hear about breast cancer it is used internally..

You definitely have to do your own due diligence and make your best decision..

Not tooting their horn but Cansema seems to get a lot of positive feedback here...and I know they have an internal version..

Sending out good thoughts and prayers that you find your way out of this challenge you are dealing with.

All the best!

Tom






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Horrux

Canada
16 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2013 :  22:53:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK so I have been using Black salve to successfully cure my skin cancer. 3 of my most prominent cancerous lesions fell out exactly 2 weeks after initial application. Here is my youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5ZAHbQyq3OyZY7Jt-OAQmjTiSHGjyJi

After the success of the initial application, and the fairly low pain experienced, I decided to move ahead with a more ambitious plan. This time, I am covering an area between 3 and 4 times the size of a quarter. Also, I am targeting cancer which is deeper than the first time around.

And this time, boy, am I ever in pain. In my initial round, I would rate my pain about a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, with occasional spikes to 4. During the second round, I have experienced days on end with a solid 8, with some rare spikes to a 9, where moaning and writhing from it becomes unavoidable. I had some codeine, and I ran through it quickly. I went to my doc for more, and luckily he was willing to comply, with the caveat that regulations prevented him from prescribing any more painkillers.

Now though, my cancer is halfway out, not detached all around, so clearly there is still work that needs doing, and I just took my last 3 codeine pills. I have been supplementing them with Advil and Aspirin, but I fear my liver cannot take too much more of that, and certainly not enough to treat this degree of pain.

Are there any tips as to how to be rid of this pain?

If it matters, I am located near Montreal, in Eastern Canada.

Thanks
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2013 :  05:51:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good old panadol every four hours wont get rid of the pain, but it will help, and icing the area around the eschar worked for me also., but to be honest once the eschar is fully detached, the pain does reduce considerably.
Good Luck
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Horrux

Canada
16 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2013 :  15:03:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Acetaminophen is not to be used by people with liver disease, which is my case. It is particularly harsh.
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aozr30

1 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2013 :  08:52:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kitty,

See your oncologist immediately. In situ carcinoma is still low grade and can be surgically removed with relative ease. Your oncologist will know what your best treatment option is. Don't trust your health and your future with your daughter to strangers on the internet out to peddle their own wares.

Edited by - aozr30 on 07/27/2013 08:53:19
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muderousegg

2 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2013 :  15:38:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/1j3guo/girl_uses_black_salve_on_face_and_the_outcome_is/

you are in this post, you guys are insane. totally insane and delusional and dangerous.
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Crazyashelllol

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2013 :  16:32:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, you people on this board are ****ing INSANE.

Way to ruin someone's life by giving TERRIBLE advice. Morons. You aren't medical professionals, so stop acting like them.
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RUKiddingMe

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2013 :  23:30:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You people on this thread, this forum...I am just speechless. How on earth could you condone putting this stuff on your face?! Or drinking some version of the **** that BURNED OFF YOUR NOSE OP!?!?!!!!! I can't believe how casual you all seem to be while her nose turns black and falls off. All the people who are going to go out and buy this crap and use it are morons. I hope to god you're not using his **** on your kids.

Get medical advice and support from a doctor, not these people. SMDH
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RUKiddingMe

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  00:10:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Hi Kitty,
You mentioned these were small lesions...but a 1 cm lesion is @ 3/4" ( not so small) were you meaning millimeter not centimeters?

I know ductal is a more serious breast cancer. My mom had it in her 80 and and that age it was a no brainer for her to have her breast removed.

You mentioned Black Salve but did not mention a name..

There are many brands out there and not all have bloodroot and zinc chloride ( the two most important ingredients IMO.

Though I have heard bloodroot paste used for many different cancers including breast cancers, generally when I hear about breast cancer it is used internally..

You definitely have to do your own due diligence and make your best decision..

Not tooting their horn but Cansema seems to get a lot of positive feedback here...and I know they have an internal version..

Sending out good thoughts and prayers that you find your way out of this challenge you are dealing with.

All the best!

Tom










You mean that stuff that burned off the OP's nose?
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  01:04:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!
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anivoc

645 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  07:05:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Julypanda....Clearly RUKidding me is much wiser and better informed than the rest of here....or not so much..

You mentioned freedom of speech and to that effect RUK has a right to spout off as long as he/she doesn't cross the line...

He/She is pushing it but with mass assumptions and conclusions based upon them...

Ignorance is bliss.....Dr. Mohs who set the gold standard in skin cancer surgery used bloodroot paste so it must be truly INSANE to use..

Too many real people sharing here including myself have used bloodroot paste, petty spurge and a litany of other alternative approaches with equal to or better results than traditional medical approaches.

In regards to Kitty..

ductal breast cancer is serious as noted... If it was my wife I'd probaby encourage going the surgical route only because it is so serious and we don't have any data or experience on someone who beat it with bloodroot or other alternative approach...

I suggested do your own due diligence but for my loved ones that is the route I would recommend...


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GentlerApproach

3 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  10:10:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by julypanda

How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!




Look, I hope you read this message because it comes from a place of good intention.

The information that is being given in this thread is dangerous and harmful.

I know that your gut reaction to that statement is to counter with the idea that chemotherapy and other medical procedures can be dangerous and harmful but that doesn't really apply to this situation. The woman in this thread, the woman who lost a large portion of her nose, would not have needed chemotherapy or any highly invasive procedures. She could have had her BCC removed in a short, out-patient procedure which would have done less damage than the salve she used. FAR less damage.

This is a fact you cannot dispute. The scar on her upper lip shows that she had such a procedure before and it's clear to anyone that the "damage" done there is dramatically less than what the salve did to her. In fact, her surgery scar is so minimal that she had to provide a close-up of it for anyone to even notice it.

If cost is the concern here, and you mention that in your post, then I'm not sure what to say to that since I can't speak from experience. I live in a country where medical costs are paid for by the government (as they should be, in my opinion). I understand that some people may not have this luxury and it's tough to afford insurance or procedures but I have to wonder if Hoxsey's re-constructive surgery and numerous doctor visits (ultimately required because of the salve) cost more than a simple BCC removal at her dermatologist's office.

I'm betting it cost far more.

This forum's suggestion that Hoxsey should use this salve, and then encouraging her to continue with further treatments, as well as ingestion of chemically dangerous substances, then supporting her while she fasts at a time when her body is in crisis, is quite shocking for outsiders to read. Not simply because you're suggesting the use of what you call "alternative medicine" but because you're providing advice beyond that brand of "healing" that goes against established scientific fact and, I have to say, common sense.

Your intentions may be good but advice on this forum is dangerous.

Look at this poor woman's face! How many more cases of this do you need to see before you all accept that fact that this sort of treatment is not the best way to deal with these types of medical conditions - or any condition for that matter. The substance your are promoting is labelled as a dangerous material and medical boards and the FDA advise against it's use (I imagine you will rebut with a rant about the FDA being some horrible entity). Or how about the fact that the person Hoxsey was in contact with, and who advised her to ingest the salve is a convicted felon who served time in jail for the weapons possession, counterfeiting, and defrauding customers and a violation of federal health laws with the sale of items that severely and permanently disfigured other people.

That's not someone she should be getting medical advice from, don't you think?

I'm sure you think I'm just some arrogant jerk who doesn't get what this forum is all about, and that's not the case at all. I know you're trying to help. I'm only here to implore you to look at what information you're all providing and ask yourselves if it's really effective and safe.

My answer would be that it isn't.

This thread is full of contradictory information and hypocritical beliefs where "western medicine and alternative medicine" are concerned. I think you should all re-evaluate your use of these products - or at the very least your espousal of their use. You may have the right to use them yourself; but you certainly don't have enough knowledge or understanding of their side-effects, or medicine in general to be giving advice to others for how or when they should be used.

To any person who is reading this, as a curious onlooker or someone considering these "treatments"...

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, DO NOT USE THESE SALVES. THEY ARE NOT SAFE. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. LOOK AT THE PICTURES HERE. LOOK AT PICTURES ELSEWHERE ON THE NET. THE DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR IS SEVERE AND PERMANENT.


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RUKiddingMe

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  10:23:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Hey Julypanda....Clearly RUKidding me is much wiser and better informed than the rest of here....or not so much..

You mentioned freedom of speech and to that effect RUK has a right to spout off as long as he/she doesn't cross the line...

He/She is pushing it but with mass assumptions and conclusions based upon them...

Ignorance is bliss.....Dr. Mohs who set the gold standard in skin cancer surgery used bloodroot paste so it must be truly INSANE to use..

Too many real people sharing here including myself have used bloodroot paste, petty spurge and a litany of other alternative approaches with equal to or better results than traditional medical approaches.

In regards to Kitty..

ductal breast cancer is serious as noted... If it was my wife I'd probaby encourage going the surgical route only because it is so serious and we don't have any data or experience on someone who beat it with bloodroot or other alternative approach...

I suggested do your own due diligence but for my loved ones that is the route I would recommend...






You're right! I go to the doctor when I need medical advice or medical procedures. I would also never put **** on my face that would burn off my nose.

You should read all the comments in the Reddit link a few posts up from my original post.
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RUKiddingMe

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  10:36:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GentlerApproach

quote:
Originally posted by julypanda

How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!




Look, I hope you read this message because it comes from a place of good intention.

The information that is being given in this thread is dangerous and harmful.

I know that your gut reaction to that statement is to counter with the idea that chemotherapy and other medical procedures can be dangerous and harmful but that doesn't really apply to this situation. The woman in this thread, the woman who lost a large portion of her nose, would not have needed chemotherapy or any highly invasive procedures. She could have had her BCC removed in a short, out-patient procedure which would have done less damage than the salve she used. FAR less damage.

This is a fact you cannot dispute. The scar on her upper lip shows that she had such a procedure before and it's clear to anyone that the "damage" done there is dramatically less than what the salve did to her. In fact, her surgery scar is so minimal that she had to provide a close-up of it for anyone to even notice it.

If cost is the concern here, and you mention that in your post, then I'm not sure what to say to that since I can't speak from experience. I live in a country where medical costs are paid for by the government (as they should be, in my opinion). I understand that some people may not have this luxury and it's tough to afford insurance or procedures but I have to wonder if Hoxsey's re-constructive surgery and numerous doctor visits (ultimately required because of the salve) cost more than a simple BCC removal at her dermatologist's office.

I'm betting it cost far more.

This forum's suggestion that Hoxsey should use this salve, and then encouraging her to continue with further treatments, as well as ingestion of chemically dangerous substances, then supporting her while she fasts at a time when her body is in crisis, is quite shocking for outsiders to read. Not simply because you're suggesting the use of what you call "alternative medicine" but because you're providing advice beyond that brand of "healing" that goes against established scientific fact and, I have to say, common sense.

Your intentions may be good but advice on this forum is dangerous.

Look at this poor woman's face! How many more cases of this do you need to see before you all accept that fact that this sort of treatment is not the best way to deal with these types of medical conditions - or any condition for that matter. The substance your are promoting is labelled as a dangerous material and medical boards and the FDA advise against it's use (I imagine you will rebut with a rant about the FDA being some horrible entity). Or how about the fact that the person Hoxsey was in contact with, and who advised her to ingest the salve is a convicted felon who served time in jail for the weapons possession, counterfeiting, and defrauding customers and a violation of federal health laws with the sale of items that severely and permanently disfigured other people.

That's not someone she should be getting medical advice from, don't you think?

I'm sure you think I'm just some arrogant jerk who doesn't get what this forum is all about, and that's not the case at all. I know you're trying to help. I'm only here to implore you to look at what information you're all providing and ask yourselves if it's really effective and safe.

My answer would be that it isn't.

This thread is full of contradictory information and hypocritical beliefs where "western medicine and alternative medicine" are concerned. I think you should all re-evaluate your use of these products - or at the very least your espousal of their use. You may have the right to use them yourself; but you certainly don't have enough knowledge or understanding of their side-effects, or medicine in general to be giving advice to others for how or when they should be used.

To any person who is reading this, as a curious onlooker or someone considering these "treatments"...

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, DO NOT USE THESE SALVES. THEY ARE NOT SAFE. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. LOOK AT THE PICTURES HERE. LOOK AT PICTURES ELSEWHERE ON THE NET. THE DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR IS SEVERE AND PERMANENT.






I hope people coming here considering using Black Salve will reconsider.

Still not convinced? Take another look at the pictures.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  10:58:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RUKiddingMe

quote:
Originally posted by GentlerApproach

quote:
Originally posted by julypanda

How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!




Look, I hope you read this message because it comes from a place of good intention.

The information that is being given in this thread is dangerous and harmful.

I know that your gut reaction to that statement is to counter with the idea that chemotherapy and other medical procedures can be dangerous and harmful but that doesn't really apply to this situation. The woman in this thread, the woman who lost a large portion of her nose, would not have needed chemotherapy or any highly invasive procedures. She could have had her BCC removed in a short, out-patient procedure which would have done less damage than the salve she used. FAR less damage.

This is a fact you cannot dispute. The scar on her upper lip shows that she had such a procedure before and it's clear to anyone that the "damage" done there is dramatically less than what the salve did to her. In fact, her surgery scar is so minimal that she had to provide a close-up of it for anyone to even notice it.

If cost is the concern here, and you mention that in your post, then I'm not sure what to say to that since I can't speak from experience. I live in a country where medical costs are paid for by the government (as they should be, in my opinion). I understand that some people may not have this luxury and it's tough to afford insurance or procedures but I have to wonder if Hoxsey's re-constructive surgery and numerous doctor visits (ultimately required because of the salve) cost more than a simple BCC removal at her dermatologist's office.

I'm betting it cost far more.

This forum's suggestion that Hoxsey should use this salve, and then encouraging her to continue with further treatments, as well as ingestion of chemically dangerous substances, then supporting her while she fasts at a time when her body is in crisis, is quite shocking for outsiders to read. Not simply because you're suggesting the use of what you call "alternative medicine" but because you're providing advice beyond that brand of "healing" that goes against established scientific fact and, I have to say, common sense.

Your intentions may be good but advice on this forum is dangerous.

Look at this poor woman's face! How many more cases of this do you need to see before you all accept that fact that this sort of treatment is not the best way to deal with these types of medical conditions - or any condition for that matter. The substance your are promoting is labelled as a dangerous material and medical boards and the FDA advise against it's use (I imagine you will rebut with a rant about the FDA being some horrible entity). Or how about the fact that the person Hoxsey was in contact with, and who advised her to ingest the salve is a convicted felon who served time in jail for the weapons possession, counterfeiting, and defrauding customers and a violation of federal health laws with the sale of items that severely and permanently disfigured other people.

That's not someone she should be getting medical advice from, don't you think?

I'm sure you think I'm just some arrogant jerk who doesn't get what this forum is all about, and that's not the case at all. I know you're trying to help. I'm only here to implore you to look at what information you're all providing and ask yourselves if it's really effective and safe.

My answer would be that it isn't.

This thread is full of contradictory information and hypocritical beliefs where "western medicine and alternative medicine" are concerned. I think you should all re-evaluate your use of these products - or at the very least your espousal of their use. You may have the right to use them yourself; but you certainly don't have enough knowledge or understanding of their side-effects, or medicine in general to be giving advice to others for how or when they should be used.

To any person who is reading this, as a curious onlooker or someone considering these "treatments"...

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, DO NOT USE THESE SALVES. THEY ARE NOT SAFE. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. LOOK AT THE PICTURES HERE. LOOK AT PICTURES ELSEWHERE ON THE NET. THE DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR IS SEVERE AND PERMANENT.






I hope people coming here considering using Black Salve will reconsider.

Still not convinced? Take another look at the pictures.



This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.
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shazbot

4 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  11:05:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulations to RUKiddingMe for posting the first sane message on the TopicalInfo boards. And what do you win....gobs of scorn and derision. You are pissing into the wind RUK. The people that populate forums of this nature all have two things in common. They are megalomaniacs possessing a never ending supply of condescension. I say to all who arrive at this board, and ones like it, looking for advice on treating skin cancer with corrosive salves. Take the renowned Dr. Bonder and Dr. Anivoc's advice. That way we can spot the insane among us by their highly disfigured faces.
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Chill

17 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  11:45:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi. As a frequenter of Reddit I'd like to apologise for the tone of recent messages from other Reddit users. We're a mixed bunch, and some are young kids who don't really know how to interact with people at all. I mean, at all. Utterly useless, so the end up shouting at everything. People. Coffee cups.

But the nice thing about Reddit is theirs always corrective voices, like GentlerApproach, right there among the noise to balance things out.

Mainly, we believe rational thinking protects a person from harm. It allows you to weigh options without being blinded by fear, suspicion and anxiety. It allows you to choose the mainstream option when it makes the most sense to your health, and avoid unnecessary procedures in cases when a doctor is clearly trying to dupe you. It's protection against harm.

Don't be too proud to admit errors. It's not stupidity that prevents rational thought.
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Chill

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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  11:56:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The discussion here might interest you guys:

http://www.reddit.com/r/rage/comments/1ixezh/was_googling_for_med_school_application_yep_that/cb9fsb4?context=1
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GentlerApproach

3 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  12:51:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by julypanda


This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.



Look, I have to address some of your points here because they illustrate why us newcomers are so concerned. Stay with me here and listen to what I have to say, I'll lay this out clearly and concisely:

quote:
Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.


Hoxsey had other options. She said she had a BCC removed prior and it left minimal scarring. She could have had the BCC on her nose and forehead removed the same way. She chose not to, you all encouraged that choice. She DID have a choice.

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly


If it does no harm when used correctly, are you suggesting that Hoxsey used this incorrectly? Everyone on this forum cheered her on and kept reassuring her that what she did was right, that her body was healing and the salve was hunting down the cancer and removing it. So which is it? Was she using it right and it just scarred her and forced her into multiple, expensive surgeries, or was she using it incorrectly while Bonder et al were telling her she was doing the right thing?

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.


So, when she was forced into taking Vicodin for the pain, and then had to have surgery to remove cancer that the salve missed, then had to have plastic surgery to have her nose and forehead reconstructed - that's what you call "allowing the body to heal naturally?" It would seem to me that your jab at the "current Medical Model" is unwarranted since the "current Medical Model" was ultimately the model that eased her pain and repaired the damage done by the current "Alternative Model" that this forum pushes.

quote:
I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.


The problem that those of us in "opposition" to the use of these salves have, is that there are forums like this that provide reams and reams of harmful advice to people who are frightened, desperate, ignorant, or unaware of safer, more effective medical treatments. If you try to contest this point, I will happily go through posts on page one that are medically erroneous and offer nothing but misinformation and bad advice. In fact, the only good advice I think I saw on the first page of this thread was that Hoxsey go to see a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

The substances you all seem to think are specifically targeting cancer are doing no such thing. It's a shotgun approach that causes catastrophic tissue damage and cell death to both healthy and cancerous cells. Again, the before and after photos say everything that needs to be said in this regard. A surgical procedure would have been a far safer, less expensive, and far less damaging alternative.

quote:
No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.


As I mentioned above, this post further illustrates the complete and utter lack of understanding of how these products work. The damage done to Hoxsey's face, and anyone else who had been disfigured by these products is not cause by cancer or the salve's imagined aggressive pursuit of cancer. The damage is done by the product itself. Read that again: The products you are using are destroying your tissues whether cancer is present or not. The damage done is not linked to the amount of cancer present, it's linked to the use and abuse of the salve itself.

quote:
We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.


People are here "disrupting" your forum because news of this poor woman's suffering got out and spread around the net. Of all the people who have seen this story, a tiny handful have come here out of concern, sadness, and even anger. Your forum is a tiny, tiny minority who feels these practices are safe, effective, and "natural." The reason your tiny minority is feeling the heat right now is because the overwhelming majority of people learning about this story find it abhorrent, disheartening, and dangerous.

I imagine that view may reinforce your community's belief that you're all onto something esoteric and that nobody else will understand it because we've all been brainwashed by the System, or something of the sort. I certainly hope that's not the case because quite frankly, it would be an absurd notion to harbour. People freak out when they hear and see this story because it's indicative of unhealthy modes of thought and unsafe practices, period.

quote:
I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.


This is the most disturbing thing you've said thus far. I'm sure you think you're alive because of bloodroot but you could have been saved by a doctor's expertise just as easily, and probably far less traumatically.

This isn't about your experience, this is about Hoxsey and all the terrible misinformation and advice the poor woman has been given by people who don't understand the chemicals they're dealing with. YOU, specifically YOU, julypanda, may have the right to share your story; but you most certainly don't have the expertise or medical knowledge to offer advice on the application of a substance that literally ate away healthy tissue and disfigured another human being. You don't have the expertise to advise on the recovery required to deal with that trauma, nor do you have the expertise to espouse the use of such products to people you've never met and/or have no clue as to what their medical history is.

Go back and look at the pictures of the damage this salve did to Hoxsey. Go back and look. If you don't go back and look, ask yourself why you aren't.

People have come to this thread voicing their concern and anger because they're upset. They just saw and read about a woman who disfigured her face because she eschewed proper medical advice and assistance in favour of a group of people who have no certification, knowledge, or experience in the proper, safe, treatment of skin cancers.

And look where it got her:

- A disfigured forehead and nose.
- Medical expenses far beyond what a Mohs surgery would have cost her.
- Weeks of pain.
- Months of concern, fear, anxiety, and emotional suffering.

If you think that's better than the "current Medical Model," the medical model that can perform a removal of a BCC in an outpatient procedure with a ~99% success rate, then I'm afraid you're beyond all hope of having any sort of reasonable discussion with.

Again, to anyone considering this type of "salve treatment" - reconsider. It isn't safe, and there are better medical options out there.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  13:20:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GentlerApproach



quote:
Originally posted by julypanda


This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.



Look, I have to address some of your points here because they illustrate why us newcomers are so concerned. Stay with me here and listen to what I have to say, I'll lay this out clearly and concisely:

quote:
Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.


Hoxsey had other options. She said she had a BCC removed prior and it left minimal scarring. She could have had the BCC on her nose and forehead removed the same way. She chose not to, you all encouraged that choice. She DID have a choice.

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly


If it does no harm when used correctly, are you suggesting that Hoxsey used this incorrectly? Everyone on this forum cheered her on and kept reassuring her that what she did was right, that her body was healing and the salve was hunting down the cancer and removing it. So which is it? Was she using it right and it just scarred her and forced her into multiple, expensive surgeries, or was she using it incorrectly while Bonder et al were telling her she was doing the right thing?

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.


So, when she was forced into taking Vicodin for the pain, and then had to have surgery to remove cancer that the salve missed, then had to have plastic surgery to have her nose and forehead reconstructed - that's what you call "allowing the body to heal naturally?" It would seem to me that your jab at the "current Medical Model" is unwarranted since the "current Medical Model" was ultimately the model that eased her pain and repaired the damage done by the current "Alternative Model" that this forum pushes.

quote:
I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.


The problem that those of us in "opposition" to the use of these salves have, is that there are forums like this that provide reams and reams of harmful advice to people who are frightened, desperate, ignorant, or unaware of safer, more effective medical treatments. If you try to contest this point, I will happily go through posts on page one that are medically erroneous and offer nothing but misinformation and bad advice. In fact, the only good advice I think I saw on the first page of this thread was that Hoxsey go to see a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

The substances you all seem to think are specifically targeting cancer are doing no such thing. It's a shotgun approach that causes catastrophic tissue damage and cell death to both healthy and cancerous cells. Again, the before and after photos say everything that needs to be said in this regard. A surgical procedure would have been a far safer, less expensive, and far less damaging alternative.

quote:
No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.


As I mentioned above, this post further illustrates the complete and utter lack of understanding of how these products work. The damage done to Hoxsey's face, and anyone else who had been disfigured by these products is not cause by cancer or the salve's imagined aggressive pursuit of cancer. The damage is done by the product itself. Read that again: The products you are using are destroying your tissues whether cancer is present or not. The damage done is not linked to the amount of cancer present, it's linked to the use and abuse of the salve itself.

quote:
We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.


People are here "disrupting" your forum because news of this poor woman's suffering got out and spread around the net. Of all the people who have seen this story, a tiny handful have come here out of concern, sadness, and even anger. Your forum is a tiny, tiny minority who feels these practices are safe, effective, and "natural." The reason your tiny minority is feeling the heat right now is because the overwhelming majority of people learning about this story find it abhorrent, disheartening, and dangerous.

I imagine that view may reinforce your community's belief that you're all onto something esoteric and that nobody else will understand it because we've all been brainwashed by the System, or something of the sort. I certainly hope that's not the case because quite frankly, it would be an absurd notion to harbour. People freak out when they hear and see this story because it's indicative of unhealthy modes of thought and unsafe practices, period.

quote:
I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.


This is the most disturbing thing you've said thus far. I'm sure you think you're alive because of bloodroot but you could have been saved by a doctor's expertise just as easily, and probably far less traumatically.

This isn't about your experience, this is about Hoxsey and all the terrible misinformation and advice the poor woman has been given by people who don't understand the chemicals they're dealing with. YOU, specifically YOU, julypanda, may have the right to share your story; but you most certainly don't have the expertise or medical knowledge to offer advice on the application of a substance that literally ate away healthy tissue and disfigured another human being. You don't have the expertise to advise on the recovery required to deal with that trauma, nor do you have the expertise to espouse the use of such products to people you've never met and/or have no clue as to what their medical history is.

Go back and look at the pictures of the damage this salve did to Hoxsey. Go back and look. If you don't go back and look, ask yourself why you aren't.

People have come to this thread voicing their concern and anger because they're upset. They just saw and read about a woman who disfigured her face because she eschewed proper medical advice and assistance in favour of a group of people who have no certification, knowledge, or experience in the proper, safe, treatment of skin cancers.

And look where it got her:

- A disfigured forehead and nose.
- Medical expenses far beyond what a Mohs surgery would have cost her.
- Weeks of pain.
- Months of concern, fear, anxiety, and emotional suffering.

If you think that's better than the "current Medical Model," the medical model that can perform a removal of a BCC in an outpatient procedure with a ~99% success rate, then I'm afraid you're beyond all hope of having any sort of reasonable discussion with.

Again, to anyone considering this type of "salve treatment" - reconsider. It isn't safe, and there are better medical options out there.



You think your arguments are valid... they aren't. I don't advocate ANYONE to use Bloodroot... each person has to make a personal decision based on their own research and due diligence ...I didn't advocate that Hoxsey use it.... merely offered consolation and support 'after' the fact. No one encouraged or advocated I use it.. I used it because I found it to be the right thing for ME to do. You're making a LOT of 'assumptions' here also.... you're assuming Hoxsey didn't get all of the Cancer with the Bloodroot.... No one can say with 100 percent certainty whether she did or didn't.... the Doctors performed surgery reconstructive surgery that probably would have had to have been performed anyway because her Cancer had already destroyed so much tissue that her nose was not able to be saved no matter what methods used. It happens... I had a Friend with breast Cancer who chose the traditional Medical Model (Chemo & Radiation) and her breast still turned black and rotted off before she died.... The 'kind' Medical Model held no hope for her. I have dozens of dead Friends from Cancer who have been POISONED, disfigured and cut to pieces using the traditional Medical Model. I also know DOZENS who are alive & well using Bloodroot and other natural methods.... It's OUR choices.... and whether you care to believe it or not is YOUR biased choice. Every one of us who choose whatever paths to our wellness have to inform ourselves to ALL of the options available and then weigh the risks accordingly. Unfortunately, there are some unhappy endings. This IS about MY experience... it's about everyone's experiences.... and you can not say with any certainty whatsoever (nor can anyone else for that matter) that Hoxsey's outcome would have been 'better' if she'd have gone YOUR recommended route. You think the traditional Medical Model is the better option out there... many of us don't. You will NOT silence my voice with yours because I KNOW that you're wrong. Nature has everything we need for our health and healing and of that I am certain. Conventional Medicine, on the other hand, is only concerned with palliative therapies and 'sick care'... and it's probably WHY you're on this Forum.... because they're tired of losing millions to the people who are genuinely HEALED because of alternative therapies. I KNOW because I shouldn't be here right now.... if I had gone the traditional Medical Route I'd already have been buried years ago. Instead, I'm CURED... spending time I wouldn't otherwise have had doing everything I'd ever planned to do with my Life.... because I still have one to plan.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  13:30:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FYI:

* Properly formulated Bloodroot does NOTHING to non diseased tissue. Nothing. Nada. Never. I can prove it.

* I just want to add. In 2008 I was 'terminal'... there was NO HOPE For me. Stage 4 SYSTEMIC Squamous Cell Carcinoma. No Doctor alive anywhere could help me. I was on my own.
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GentlerApproach

3 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2013 :  13:40:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BlondeAmbition3

quote:
Originally posted by GentlerApproach



quote:
Originally posted by julypanda


This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.



Look, I have to address some of your points here because they illustrate why us newcomers are so concerned. Stay with me here and listen to what I have to say, I'll lay this out clearly and concisely:

quote:
Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.


Hoxsey had other options. She said she had a BCC removed prior and it left minimal scarring. She could have had the BCC on her nose and forehead removed the same way. She chose not to, you all encouraged that choice. She DID have a choice.

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly


If it does no harm when used correctly, are you suggesting that Hoxsey used this incorrectly? Everyone on this forum cheered her on and kept reassuring her that what she did was right, that her body was healing and the salve was hunting down the cancer and removing it. So which is it? Was she using it right and it just scarred her and forced her into multiple, expensive surgeries, or was she using it incorrectly while Bonder et al were telling her she was doing the right thing?

quote:
It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.


So, when she was forced into taking Vicodin for the pain, and then had to have surgery to remove cancer that the salve missed, then had to have plastic surgery to have her nose and forehead reconstructed - that's what you call "allowing the body to heal naturally?" It would seem to me that your jab at the "current Medical Model" is unwarranted since the "current Medical Model" was ultimately the model that eased her pain and repaired the damage done by the current "Alternative Model" that this forum pushes.

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I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.


The problem that those of us in "opposition" to the use of these salves have, is that there are forums like this that provide reams and reams of harmful advice to people who are frightened, desperate, ignorant, or unaware of safer, more effective medical treatments. If you try to contest this point, I will happily go through posts on page one that are medically erroneous and offer nothing but misinformation and bad advice. In fact, the only good advice I think I saw on the first page of this thread was that Hoxsey go to see a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

The substances you all seem to think are specifically targeting cancer are doing no such thing. It's a shotgun approach that causes catastrophic tissue damage and cell death to both healthy and cancerous cells. Again, the before and after photos say everything that needs to be said in this regard. A surgical procedure would have been a far safer, less expensive, and far less damaging alternative.

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No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.


As I mentioned above, this post further illustrates the complete and utter lack of understanding of how these products work. The damage done to Hoxsey's face, and anyone else who had been disfigured by these products is not cause by cancer or the salve's imagined aggressive pursuit of cancer. The damage is done by the product itself. Read that again: The products you are using are destroying your tissues whether cancer is present or not. The damage done is not linked to the amount of cancer present, it's linked to the use and abuse of the salve itself.

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We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.


People are here "disrupting" your forum because news of this poor woman's suffering got out and spread around the net. Of all the people who have seen this story, a tiny handful have come here out of concern, sadness, and even anger. Your forum is a tiny, tiny minority who feels these practices are safe, effective, and "natural." The reason your tiny minority is feeling the heat right now is because the overwhelming majority of people learning about this story find it abhorrent, disheartening, and dangerous.

I imagine that view may reinforce your community's belief that you're all onto something esoteric and that nobody else will understand it because we've all been brainwashed by the System, or something of the sort. I certainly hope that's not the case because quite frankly, it would be an absurd notion to harbour. People freak out when they hear and see this story because it's indicative of unhealthy modes of thought and unsafe practices, period.

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I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.


This is the most disturbing thing you've said thus far. I'm sure you think you're alive because of bloodroot but you could have been saved by a doctor's expertise just as easily, and probably far less traumatically.

This isn't about your experience, this is about Hoxsey and all the terrible misinformation and advice the poor woman has been given by people who don't understand the chemicals they're dealing with. YOU, specifically YOU, julypanda, may have the right to share your story; but you most certainly don't have the expertise or medical knowledge to offer advice on the application of a substance that literally ate away healthy tissue and disfigured another human being. You don't have the expertise to advise on the recovery required to deal with that trauma, nor do you have the expertise to espouse the use of such products to people you've never met and/or have no clue as to what their medical history is.

Go back and look at the pictures of the damage this salve did to Hoxsey. Go back and look. If you don't go back and look, ask yourself why you aren't.

People have come to this thread voicing their concern and anger because they're upset. They just saw and read about a woman who disfigured her face because she eschewed proper medical advice and assistance in favour of a group of people who have no certification, knowledge, or experience in the proper, safe, treatment of skin cancers.

And look where it got her:

- A disfigured forehead and nose.
- Medical expenses far beyond what a Mohs surgery would have cost her.
- Weeks of pain.
- Months of concern, fear, anxiety, and emotional suffering.

If you think that's better than the "current Medical Model," the medical model that can perform a removal of a BCC in an outpatient procedure with a ~99% success rate, then I'm afraid you're beyond all hope of having any sort of reasonable discussion with.

Again, to anyone considering this type of "salve treatment" - reconsider. It isn't safe, and there are better medical options out there.



You think your arguments are valid... they aren't. I don't advocate ANYONE to use Bloodroot... each person has to make a personal decision based on their own research and due diligence ...I didn't advocate that Hoxsey use it.... merely offered consolation and support 'after' the fact. No one encouraged or advocated I use it.. I used it because I found it to be the right thing for ME to do. You're making a LOT of 'assumptions' here also.... you're assuming Hoxsey didn't get all of the Cancer with the Bloodroot.... No one can say with 100 percent certainty whether she did or didn't.... the Doctors performed surgery reconstructive surgery that probably would have had to have been performed anyway because her Cancer had already destroyed so much tissue that her nose was not able to be saved no matter what methods used. It happens... I had a Friend with breast Cancer who chose the traditional Medical Model (Chemo & Radiation) and her breast still turned black and rotted off before she died.... The 'kind' Medical Model held no hope for her. I have dozens of dead Friends from Cancer who have been POISONED, disfigured and cut to pieces using the traditional Medical Model. I also know DOZENS who are alive & well using Bloodroot and other natural methods.... It's OUR choices.... and whether you care to believe it or not is YOUR biased choice. Every one of us who choose whatever paths to our wellness have to inform ourselves to ALL of the options available and then weigh the risks accordingly. Unfortunately, there are some unhappy endings. This IS about MY experience... it's about everyone's experiences.... and you can not say with any certainty whatsoever (nor can anyone else for that matter) that Hoxsey's outcome would have been 'better' if she'd have gone YOUR recommended route. You think the traditional Medical Model is the better option out there... many of us don't. You will NOT silence my voice with yours because I KNOW that you're wrong. Nature has everything we need for our health and healing and of that I am certain. Conventional Medicine, on the other hand, is only concerned with palliative therapies and 'sick care'... and it's probably WHY you're on this Forum.... because they're tired of losing millions to the people who are genuinely HEALED because of alternative therapies. I KNOW because I shouldn't be here right now.... if I had gone the traditional Medical Route I'd already have been buried years ago. Instead, I'm CURED... spending time I wouldn't otherwise have had doing everything I'd ever planned to do with my Life.... because I still have one to plan.



Many people in the thread continued to encourage Hoxsey's use of the salve when it should have been clear it was doing tremendous damage. That's not an "assumption" that's a fact, it's all there in the comments. I actually went through and read everything that Hoxsey and others said.

My arguments are plenty valid. If you feel otherwise, why don't you do a better job of showing why you feel that's the case? I'm sorry that your friends died of cancer and you feel that "kind Medical Model" didn't help them but how do you know your salves would have done any better? You don't.

Cancer sucks. It's horrible. Sometimes it's too much and there's nothing any treatment can do to save a person. You're not the only person who has lost friends to cancer. I, on the other hand, have lost people because they opted for "Alternative treatments" when they should have just gone to a doctor - but you know, maybe even a doctor couldn't have saved them at that point.

That's the thing though, Hoxsey's cancer was a type that has a ~99% success rate when treated with modern medicine. She's already evidence that model works (her previous surgery on her lip) and does so with minimal scarring. What she instead chose to do was try a salve that destroyed more of her face than the standard surgery would have. How can you even dispute that when she herself is a living comparison of the two options?

You tell me I can't say for certainty that Hoxsey's outcome would have been better if she went the medical route - to which I respond, look at the success of her previous surgery (she linked a photo of the results). That's a pretty solid indicator of what she could have expected, wouldn't you say?

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You will NOT silence my voice with yours because I KNOW that you're wrong.


I'm not trying to silence your voice, I'm trying to illustrate that some of the views here are harmful. They are. Hoxsey is a prime example of what happens when people take harmful advice.

Also, you don't KNOW I'm wrong. You think I'm wrong because you hold a different opinion. From my first post I said you're all welcome to do whatever suits you to your own bodies - nobody denies that. The issue people have with what's going on here is that many of you are promoting actions and offering advice when you're not in a position to do so without potentially jeopardizing someone's health.

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Conventional Medicine, on the other hand, is only concerned with palliative therapies and 'sick care'... and it's probably WHY you're on this Forum.... because they're tired of losing millions to the people who are genuinely HEALED because of alternative therapies.


Come on now, this is a silly leap to make. Conventional medicine is one of the reasons our species is as successful as it is today. Conventional medicine is the reason crippling diseases have been essentially eliminated from entire populations of people. It's the reason people survive traumatic illnesses and injuries. I'm not here because I'm a member of some covert organization that's trying to get back lost money by poisoning the well of alternative medicine; I'm here because I'm concerned for people like Hoxsey. People who have/had other safer options that would have spared them months of suffering.

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I KNOW because I shouldn't be here right now.... if I had gone the traditional Medical Route I'd already have been buried years ago. Instead, I'm CURED... spending time I wouldn't otherwise have had doing everything I'd ever planned to do with my Life.... because I still have one to plan.


It's too bad all the people who opted for alternative medicines that ultimately failed them can't voice their opinions on the matter.
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Chill

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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  13:50:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You'd call BlondeAmbition3's response an example of the "backfire effect", where some people tend to dig in when confronted with opposing evidence, sometimes strengthening the erroneous belief. No one knows why, but people identifying too closely with a belief can feel the questioning of it as a personal attack.

But it's not all her fault. There's a shared cognitive bias at work which you'd call "communal reinforcement" where something is believed because it's repeated in a community enough times. Doesn't matter if it's actually true, the thing becomes true because you've heard it said, and the person who said it is a good person. Then you come to a site like this and there's a whole bunch of good people to talk to, and the information from them must be good. Nope.

Stay safe.
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shazbot

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GentlerApproach you are far too kind. You are most certainly far too logical. These people cannot be reasoned with. Your sound arguments and reasoning do nothing but drive them deeper into their delusion. The very act of presenting a coherent argument only embeds them further. We can only hope these fools find a "natural" cure more detrimental to one's health than zinc chloride. The herd needs thinning. And to you chill, enough with the sympathizing. If one chooses to behave like an idiot they should expect to be treated as such.
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julypanda

Australia
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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  16:14:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gentlerapproach, thank you for your much nicer words than that of your forum. I can understand where you are coming from, but everyone has their own ideas and own reasons. However, I do applaud for your nicely worded approach. It has made me stop and think....

Shazbot - it is people like you that rather than want to read what you have written, simply choose to turn off due to your arrogance.

At least in this forum we don't use the "eff" word in every single sentence. It is mostly people talking about their experience, or people asking questions trying to find answers to alternative treatments. If we were all the same it would be a boring world, and the doctors would have all the power.
Just my thoughts anyway.
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djt10

USA
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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  18:26:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Somebody out there still believes that conventional cancer therapies work and that oncologists know their business? My old naturopath (who cured my cancer and other chronic/degenerative diseases all at the same time with a 5 week treatment)used to call conventional cancer treatments "barbaric" and after years of research, I think he was being kind. He cured all of his cancer patients who went there first and most of them who came as a last resort after their oncologists sent them home to die (after the insurance ran out). No drugs, no chemo, no radiation, nothing harmful whatsoever. When it comes to conventional cancer treatment, Australia did a study of the US compared to Australian cure rates using chemo. The overall average survival rate for both countries was around 2.3% I believe. That's survival at the 5 year junction. Some treatments have a higher survival rate than that, some lower, some none at all. That's the averaged statistic. "Spontaneous remission" has a 5% cure rate. That's for doing nothing at all. That means you have a better chance of survival doing nothing than trusting an oncologist with your life and well-being. At least bloodroot and zinc chloride are specific for abnormal cells and tissues, unlike any kind of conventional cancer treatment. For someone who lost substantial tissue to a salve treatment, imagine what it would have been if they had tried to surgically find all of the affected tissue, what happens when you cut into a cancer, and what happens when you miss cancer cells and can't chase after the roots. Not one single person in my family or my husband's who has had cancer and submitted to "state-of-the-art" cancer treatment has survived. Not one. My best friend has been against alternative treatment for decades since an elderly uncle went after some obscure alternative treatment and died anyway, but when she came back with a bad mammogram she suddenly had a change of heart and did a salve treatment. It took ages for that thing to close up and she was getting really worried, but as long as there is something in there that needs more work or to continue draining out, the opening usually stays open or heals over abnormally. Hers has completely closed up now and she went back for a mammogram and got a clean bill of health this time. But we only use salve treatment as part of a much larger protocol which involves changing our pH, careful diet, detoxing and doing everything possible to raise our overall level of health. Still, we've been using salve since 1986 and will continue to do so rather than ever, EVER trust "conventional cancer treatment" which has failed dismally, as evidenced by the "war on cancer" statistics which began in the 1950's, I think, and have gone downhill ever since. Hippocrates, the "Father of Western Medicine" must be turning over in his grave. He knew what real healing was about and there is no resemblance to what passes as conventional medicine these days. Emergency medicine, the treatment of injuries, deformities and that kind of affliction is another story, but for the treatment of acute and chronic disease, infection, and other kinds of illness--we've gone backwards into a new dark age of medicine. It's too bad when people who haven't done their homework and know so little about the real world picture of medicine chose to get their jollies by attacking others who have and do, but they run amuck with closed minds and a battering ram mentality so it's pointless to try to duke it out with them...and a waste of time and energy. They are just part of the endless perils that pioneers have to face and best ignored when possible. And don't think that Big Pharma is above sending people out to harass people on sites like this. I used to monitor on an international complaint site and we had to deal with professional rabblerousers all the time.

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.

#8213; Benjamin Rush, MD
Signer on the Constitution
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the

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Originally posted by djt10

My old naturopath (who cured my cancer and other chronic/degenerative diseases all at the same time with a 5 week treatment)used to call conventional cancer treatments "barbaric" and after years of research, I think he was being kind. He cured all of his cancer patients who went there first and most of them who came as a last resort after their oncologists sent them home to die (after the insurance ran out). No drugs, no chemo, no radiation, nothing harmful whatsoever.


Can you provide a website or link to this individual's claims?

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When it comes to conventional cancer treatment, Australia did a study of the US compared to Australian cure rates using chemo. The overall average survival rate for both countries was around 2.3% I believe. That's survival at the 5 year junction. Some treatments have a higher survival rate than that, some lower, some none at all. That's the averaged statistic. "Spontaneous remission" has a 5% cure rate. That's for doing nothing at all. That means you have a better chance of survival doing nothing than trusting an oncologist with your life and well-being.


This is how we can tell you're delusional. A 10-second search by a child could tell you that cancer survival rates for most cancers in the Western world are well above 50%.

Furthermore, there is no known rate at which spontaneous regression occurs. Breast cancer, for example, may have a rate as high as 20%. Other cancers may have a rate as low as 1 in 100,000.

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At least bloodroot and zinc chloride are specific for abnormal cells and tissues, unlike any kind of conventional cancer treatment.


The existence of this very thread shows that it does not only target abnormal cells and tissue.

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Still, we've been using salve since 1986 and will continue to do so rather than ever, EVER trust "conventional cancer treatment" which has failed dismally, as evidenced by the "war on cancer" statistics which began in the 1950's, I think, and have gone downhill ever since.


Again, your facts are just plain wrong. Cancer treatment effectiveness has been, generally speaking, increasing steadily over the last 40 years in Western societies. Some cancers, like lung cancer, have not seen much change in survivability unfortunately. Most have, however.

In the period between 1990 and 2005, cancer death rates in the US dropped around 20% for men, and about 11% for women. The 5-year survival rate for all diagnosed cancers was up 66% percent in the period of 1996-2004. Since the mid-2000s, cancer death rates have continued to fall.

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Hippocrates, the "Father of Western Medicine" must be turning over in his grave. He knew what real healing was about and there is no resemblance to what passes as conventional medicine these days.


Hippocrates lived in a pre-scientific period when essentially nothing was known about medicine or physics. He should not at all be considered an authority on anything, let alone the efficacy of modern treatments.


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Emergency medicine, the treatment of injuries, deformities and that kind of affliction is another story, but for the treatment of acute and chronic disease, infection, and other kinds of illness--we've gone backwards into a new dark age of medicine.


The facts don't back you up. Cancer survivability is just one indication that you're out of touch with reality.


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And don't think that Big Pharma is above sending people out to harass people on sites like this. I used to monitor on an international complaint site and we had to deal with professional rabblerousers all the time.


Oh no, the Big Pharma bogey man. Hide your wife, hide your kids, and hide your husband.

Even if the voices of reason on here were working for pharmaceutical companies, ad hominem attacks are still ad hominem attacks.

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Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.


Benjamin Rush also practiced medicine in a mostly pre-scientific capacity, and should also not be used as an authority on anything. Nevertheless, adults will always have the right to do stupid things to themselves, like the individuals in this thread so callously encourage others to do.
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muderousegg

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I love you GentlerApproach
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
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Posted - 07/29/2013 :  13:04:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by djt10

Somebody out there still believes that conventional cancer therapies work and that oncologists know their business? My old naturopath (who cured my cancer and other chronic/degenerative diseases all at the same time with a 5 week treatment)used to call conventional cancer treatments "barbaric" and after years of research, I think he was being kind. He cured all of his cancer patients who went there first and most of them who came as a last resort after their oncologists sent them home to die (after the insurance ran out). No drugs, no chemo, no radiation, nothing harmful whatsoever. When it comes to conventional cancer treatment, Australia did a study of the US compared to Australian cure rates using chemo. The overall average survival rate for both countries was around 2.3% I believe. That's survival at the 5 year junction. Some treatments have a higher survival rate than that, some lower, some none at all. That's the averaged statistic. "Spontaneous remission" has a 5% cure rate. That's for doing nothing at all. That means you have a better chance of survival doing nothing than trusting an oncologist with your life and well-being. At least bloodroot and zinc chloride are specific for abnormal cells and tissues, unlike any kind of conventional cancer treatment. For someone who lost substantial tissue to a salve treatment, imagine what it would have been if they had tried to surgically find all of the affected tissue, what happens when you cut into a cancer, and what happens when you miss cancer cells and can't chase after the roots. Not one single person in my family or my husband's who has had cancer and submitted to "state-of-the-art" cancer treatment has survived. Not one. My best friend has been against alternative treatment for decades since an elderly uncle went after some obscure alternative treatment and died anyway, but when she came back with a bad mammogram she suddenly had a change of heart and did a salve treatment. It took ages for that thing to close up and she was getting really worried, but as long as there is something in there that needs more work or to continue draining out, the opening usually stays open or heals over abnormally. Hers has completely closed up now and she went back for a mammogram and got a clean bill of health this time. But we only use salve treatment as part of a much larger protocol which involves changing our pH, careful diet, detoxing and doing everything possible to raise our overall level of health. Still, we've been using salve since 1986 and will continue to do so rather than ever, EVER trust "conventional cancer treatment" which has failed dismally, as evidenced by the "war on cancer" statistics which began in the 1950's, I think, and have gone downhill ever since. Hippocrates, the "Father of Western Medicine" must be turning over in his grave. He knew what real healing was about and there is no resemblance to what passes as conventional medicine these days. Emergency medicine, the treatment of injuries, deformities and that kind of affliction is another story, but for the treatment of acute and chronic disease, infection, and other kinds of illness--we've gone backwards into a new dark age of medicine. It's too bad when people who haven't done their homework and know so little about the real world picture of medicine chose to get their jollies by attacking others who have and do, but they run amuck with closed minds and a battering ram mentality so it's pointless to try to duke it out with them...and a waste of time and energy. They are just part of the endless perils that pioneers have to face and best ignored when possible. And don't think that Big Pharma is above sending people out to harass people on sites like this. I used to monitor on an international complaint site and we had to deal with professional rabblerousers all the time.

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.

#8213; Benjamin Rush, MD
Signer on the Constitution



Well put djt10. This post gets a well deserved TRUTH BUMP!!!!

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Bwakul

Australia
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Posted - 07/29/2013 :  22:26:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thank you to others who have already pointed out some of the errors and inconsistencies in djt10's posts. It am also astounded at those offering advice in such a serious situation without medical training and at times very limited understanding of the basic science. The hubris involved is mind blowing.

I wanted to make a couple of points.

Your statement that modern medicine has gone backwards in the treatment of acute and chronic disease is laughable. The number of people saved or whose life expectancy and quality of life has been improved by medical breakthroughs in the last 100 years is a wonder of human achievement.

Treatments evolve from a scientific approach to the study of our natural world. Otherwise we would be hanging on to the countless myths and guesses and snake oil salesmen of the past. Unfortunately, it has been shown again and again that individual patient testimonials and anecdotes are misleading when assessing medical treatments for efficacy. A systematic and statistical approach is required when looking at any type of treatment.

Although we live in a world corrupted by money and power, big pharma does have some balances and checks in place. There are thousands of academic medical research institutions out there, government and charitable instituons, that are not motivated by money alone, but by RESULTS. If black salve was the miracle treatment you claim it to be there would be scientists activiely eager for involvement in studies looking to confirm efficacy ex vivo and in animal studies to start with. If it passed this stage, then clinical studies would have followed.

Edited by - Bwakul on 07/30/2013 01:55:49
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Bwakul

Australia
21 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  02:10:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might be wise to read the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Zinc Chloride before applying this "natural" product to your face.

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927328

Potential Acute Health Effects:

Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator), of eye contact (corrosive). The amount of tissue damage depends on length of contact. Eye contact can result in corneal damage or blindness. Skin contact can produce inflammation and blistering. Inhalation of dust
will produce irritation to gastro-intestinal or respiratory tract, characterized by burning, sneezing and coughing. Severe over- exposure can produce lung damage, choking, unconsciousness or death. Inflammation of the eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or, occasionally, blistering.

Potential Chronic Health Effects:

CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Classified POSSIBLE for human. Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to kidneys, pancreas. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated exposure of the eyes to a low level of dust can produce eye irritation. Repeated skin exposure can produce local skin destruction, or dermatitis. Repeated inhalation of dust can produce varying degree of respiratory irritation or lung damage.
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shazbot

4 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  13:31:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The most fascinating thing about people like djt10 and the morons who believe the nonsense she spews is their complete disdain. She writes in one post "I did some research on zinc chloride." Really? You did some research. Utterly laughable. Visiting a fellow quacks website to read their insane posting about how zinc chloride works does not equal research. djt10 you would not even have the slightest clue where to begin actual research on any compound.

More words of wisdom from djt10 "Becca, black salve doesn't eat through the flesh. If there's no abnormal tissues on top or beneath, it just sits there and does nothing except possible turn the skin a little pink." djt10 you forgot to add that turn a little pink equals your entire nose will be corroded and will be painfully removed from your face.

My favorite from djt10 on this forum has to be this gem "The electromagnetic field of the earth and sunlight are terribly important and unfortunately the kind of shoe soles we all wear now (that wasn't a problem with leather soles) are a boundary to the healing force of the earth, but sunlight is more critically important." I love it. It really is, almost impossible to believe that these ideas exist in a human's brain. The fact that these words, in this order, have come out of this woman's mouth without everyone in earshot bursting into uncontrollable laughter amazes me.

djt10 you are insane. You are a moron of the highest degree. The fact that anyone listens to the nonsense you blabber about and then applies it to their daily life is disturbing. People like you exist on the fringe of society and thankfully so. You deserve to be ridiculed and shoved into a more obscure place than you already exist.
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julypanda

Australia
43 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  16:01:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Shazbot - why do you feel the need to take personal swipes at people.
You don't have to like what djt10 has to say, same as we don't have to like what you have to say. But to come on here and start name calling is just ridiculous.
As a matter of interest - have you ever personally used Black Salve?
If not, then you have no right voicing your opinion on whether it is good or bad / right or wrong.
People have been cured by black salve, people have been cured by surgery/chemo - does not make either of them wrong.
Same as people have been disfigured by black salve as they have with surgery. We make choices in our lives - lets not ridicule people for their choices.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  21:47:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Australian study: http://truthquest2.com/chemotherapyStats.htm

50% is nonsense
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  21:51:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Isn't it interesting that "alternative medicine haters" have found and targeted this site. I've been doing research and writing, specifically featuring government statistics, since 1979. I wish I had more time to spend here, but arguing with people like these is not a productive use of time.
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djt10

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2013 :  22:07:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just did a few minutes research using the search terms, "war on cancer" statistics + failure

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/war_on_cancer_a_progress_report_for_skeptics/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/02/are-we-wasting-billions-seeking-a-cure-for-cancer.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/health/policy/24cancer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/War_on_Cancer

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/15/war-on-cancer/

http://www.peopleagainstcancer.com/pdfs/news/20080916n2.pdf

http://www.toxcheckup.com/files/1838125/uploaded/Rethinking%20the%20War%20on%20Cancer.pdf

http://rense.com/general9/cre.htm

Maybe someone here has the time to look into these articles and see if they are well-enough documented to be convincing.
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