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dan

602 Posts

Posted - 05/06/2015 :  21:02:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi DEK, deciding when to stop is not an easy call for any cancer treatment and most treatments are at least skin irritants which makes it even more difficult. I like to use the sting of topically applied orange oil (d-limonene) as my best indicator. When applied to normal skin, orange oil will not cause a stinging sensation. When applied to cancerous and perhaps precancerous areas, orange oil causes a sting after about one minute that lasts for about 25 minutes, perhaps less for shallow affected areas. D-limonene has mild anticancer properties as well. Some people may be allergic to it but otherwise it seems safe to me to use it as an indicator. I have used it on large areas of skin for several weeks. If and when you decide to try it as a diagnostic tool, I would recommend letting the affected area rest for several days to avoid a false reading. The stinging can be intense but it goes away like clockwork. Orange oil and/or d-limonene capsules are inexpensive and available at vitamin stores.

https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/d-limonene
http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-D-Limonene-1000mg-60-Soft/dp/B0025PX4JC
http://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-Orange-Sweet-ounce/dp/B0019LPL8A

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Deeo

Australia
15 Posts

Posted - 05/06/2015 :  22:21:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Dek, If its precancerous, its probably a keratosis and Dr Cham's book (which I've mislaid atm) said to apply twice a day for 3 days for a keratosis. If that's the case, you've possibly over-treated it. Maybe you could just do the orange oil test as Dan suggested just to be sure. Let us know how it heals up. I have a keratosis on my nose which didn't completely heal with cryotherapy. I'm a bit reluctant to treat it with BEC as I've seen how ugly the BCC treatment was and don't dare do it on my face. If yours hasn't made deep holes which exude profusely then it probably was quite shallow and might heal without any drama.
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DEK

2 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2015 :  14:29:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Dan and Deeo for your replies. Dan, one question: Am I correct in thinking that I should let the tender and exposed parts of the treatment area heal before using the D-Limonene since so much of the pain reaction would be to the rawness of the flesh and not the presence of cancer cells?

Thanks
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Dougrun

88 Posts

Posted - 07/08/2015 :  08:54:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found that apple cider vinegar also stings but I was testing a patch on my forehead thats undiagnosed. I started using Curaderm on it yesterday. It softened it up a lot, just a little tingle today. I am healing from a basal treatment on the other side of my scalp I used Vitamin C on successfully (with dmso to go deep) so that crater is starting to heal up now. The BEC was a backup if that failed but it worked nicely.
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Dougrun

88 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2015 :  07:33:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
3rd day, (4th treatment) of curaderm, definitely stung when i put it on, burning a little but not too bad. dark patch seems to be breaking up in appearance.
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2015 :  10:27:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This was my experience, twice in a year. It looked like it went through all the stages, healing beautifully. Both times a wound opened up several weeks later.

The cancer was not gone. Mine was infiltrative BCC. The curader could not reach deep enough to get it all (I found later from the surgeon.) It was still very small on my skin, but underneath had grown quite broad and deep.

It can look great after healing - but the cancer was only trimmed and is still deeply imbedded. The surgeon said the problem with these self treatments is that we are pruning the top, but not the root system (like a plant) and it grows back even faster.

I have another spot I'm watching for another week or so but I will not hesitate to go in. Delaying the surgery went from a minor procedure to needing 10 days off work, and skin and cartiledge grafting.

quote:
Originally posted by mandyyy

if I'm honest it doesn't look gone at all - it still has the suspicious raised area around the surface. Mine healed similar after curaderm but a few months later i felt the bump and got a biopsy, and it was still there - just hidden underneath all the new the skin - and bigger than ever :( I was so upset!

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lllinda

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2015 :  11:43:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree. Using Curaderm for 6 months turned what could have been a simple procedure in the dermatologist's office into a life threatening ordeal requiring extensive surgery and months of healing. I'm still not back to normal activities even after a year. I have a reconstructive surgery planned for the end of the summer. It's just not worth the risk, in my opinion!
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Dougrun

88 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2015 :  20:22:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i wasnt able to stay with the treatment, it would scab over almost immediately if left uncovered, like overnight. Since the area is undiagnosed, I dont want to use it on that area. tonight i picked at the scab and it peeled right off, clean skin under it but cant tell yet if the pigment is changed. It sure did something though.
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NYArtist

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2015 :  16:41:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi
What do you mean by..that you are applying eggplant? Are you just taking a regular eggplant and putting the inside of the peel on your face. Please let me know. The curaderm has gone up to $144 from $110 the last time I bought it and I can't afford to spend that much.

Please email me with your recipe for using real eggplant. szukidavis@aol.com/ Thanks.
Shelley

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Originally posted by Allie

I was planning on ordering Curaderm, but since marsha's post, I started questioning it's true effectiveness. It does seem curious that despite the 100% curative rate claimed by Curaderm, no one on topicalinfo has yet posted a conclusive positive result.

I googled "Curaderm scam" and came up with some discouraging information. One website claims that there are no records in Great Britain of the clinical trials claimed by Curaderm advertisers, and that the positive claims found on some forum websites actually came from the same source on Vanuata, which is where the Curaderm is sold from (not Australia).

I think I will not order the Curaderm after all. I'm currently applying eggplant, and although my lesions seem to have vastly improved after 5 weeks, they are still not fully healed. I plan to be patient a while longer, but will consider other possibilities, maybe including surgery if I can find someone who does MOHS.


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NYArtist

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2015 :  16:44:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any place to order curaderm that isn't as expensive as $144? I used to spend $110 and that was a lot..what would make it go up so high now?
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Deeo

Australia
15 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2015 :  01:31:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NYArtist

Is there any place to order curaderm that isn't as expensive as $144? I used to spend $110 and that was a lot..what would make it go up so high now?


About 6 months ago, Vanuatu was almost wiped out by a Cat 5 cyclone. I'm thinking the eggplant crop has suffered and is currently in short supply. Perhaps the warehouse/factory was flattened in the fray. In my own experience, I find Curaderm to be messy and the treatment takes a long time. The lesion treated with it looks (and feels) clear. However, the one I had cut out just three months ago is showing signs of returning. If It does, I will opt for treating it with Curaderm despite the inconvenience and cost as I don't want to keep getting surgery. (Luckily I stocked up when I heard about the cyclone.)
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lllinda

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2015 :  15:35:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of you have read my story about my unfortunate experience with Curaderm. As I was on Facebook today, I saw an ad for Curaderm. I couldn't help but post a comment about my experience mostly because I am at this very moment recovering from yet another surgery I had this morning all because I chose to use Curadetm to treat my squamous cell carcinoma.

I would like to share what I posted on Facebook on the Curaderm ad as an update to my story:

"I'm sorry to say, but using Curaderm BEC5 nearly cost me my life, according to my doctors at the Penn State Hershey Cancer Institute. As a matter of fact, this very moment I have today undergone my third skin graft and scar reconstruction surgery within 6 weeks, with 2-3 more surgeries planned in the next month. In April 2014, I had an advanced poorly differentiated squamous cell carcinoma excised from my left posterior thigh which left me with a 5" X 4" nearly 3" deep wound that took 5 months to heal. The cancer had almost spread to my lymph nodes according to my doctor. I will need to have periodic chest X-rays for a very long time to check for any metastasis. All of this pain and misery because of my use of Curaderm.
My use of Curaderm started with a self-diagnosed squamous cell carcinoma on the back of my left thigh. My fear of doctors kept me from getting proper medical treatment, which would have been a relatively easy removal procedure in my dermatologist's office. Instead, I opted to use Curaderm. For five months Curaderm ate away at the ever growing an ulcerating lesion, causing intense burning and pain. These symptoms were considered normal in the Curaderm literature. When I finally realized that my symptoms weren't normal, but in fact dangerous and life threatening, I went to my dermatologist , who sent me to a local surgeon, where I finally had a biopsy. When the results came back, he said it was beyond what he could treat. So, I was sent to Penn State Hershey Medical Center where I have been under the expert care of world class skin cancer specialists. They concur that Curaderm is a dangerous product and should not be used. For those of you who have had good results, I wish you well. But, I highly suggest that before trusting Curaderm to heal your skin cancer, find a qualified doctor that you can trust and don't take chances with skin cancer or your health. I am a painful example that it just isn't worth the risk!"
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NYArtist

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2015 :  17:39:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was watching The Truth About Cancer series last week and one person spoke about a skin cancer cure that sounded like BEC5 but I think he said it came from the bark of a tree. Eggplant wasn't mentioned. Does anyone who saw the series or has the series know if it was curaderm or some other skin cancer product.

Also has anyone who has used the curaderm tried black salve?

I had used a perscription cream given to me by doctor and it "lit up" my entire forhead with black scabs. I was afraid to go out in public. It was just horrible and it effected my eyesight. I looked up the medication and it had frightening reviews. So much for going through a doctor!

What other options are there? I'm currently using a last of the curaderm that is left in the tube.
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Dougrun

88 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2015 :  19:53:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even though I used Curaderm on a spot on my forehead that was undiagnosed, I would not recommend it to the average person. I do have a MS in physiology so i consider myself able to diagnose better than the average person. To blindly use any product without knowing what your condition is just negligent on your part. Blaming the product makes no sense.

I used it successfully on a spot on my forehead for 3 days and it removed the spot and it has not returned after 3 months.
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waverider

74 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2015 :  19:59:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NYArtist: If you're sure you are dealing with BCC, petty spurge is pretty much the DIY gold standard now, far as I'm concerned. It has the science and research to back it up (extract of PS active ingredients is now the major component of FDA approved topical chemo prescribed by dermatologists) as well as many successful first-person experiences, including me. Lengthy thread on this site has all the info you could need. If you're in North America, cool autumn weather is the time to plant PS seeds to get a decent indoor crop growing during winter and spring. It doesn't do well in summer in most locales.

Also concentrated topical vitamin C solution and/or paste may eventually work—particularly for superficial or ulcerating BCC versus hard nodular growth. My experience is that you have to hang in there with vitamin C for an extended period of time and be very dogged about applying it (particularly as it often *seems* to be making things worse, rather than better.) You've also got to experiment with when to stop and let it heal. It's a s-l-o-w process but you can google reports throughout the web now—in addition to long thread on this site—from people who've used vitamin C solution successfully against BCC, as well as the scientific theory about how/why it works when it does. I used it as a Plan B when I had a superficial BCC outbreak during summer and didn't have any petty spurge growing due to the heat. As it turned out I never had to use the PS when it finally grew that fall. Two months of vitamin C applications knocked out the BCC and it hasn't recurred.

Your mileage may vary on any/all of this. I am not a doctor.

Edited by - waverider on 10/31/2015 20:00:37
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dtjessup@aol.com

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2016 :  10:51:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I have used BEC for 15 months on a BCC. The area started getting smaller and was down to 1/4 inch about 8 weeks ago and then went back to 1/2 inch. My question is - do you know anything that I can do to support the wound healing? Some options seem to be: continue covering with micropore tape, use a band aid, apply or not apply an ointment etc. Not sure about how to support the healing and still be able to not ruin clothes or bed sheets. The area is on my right middle deltoid. Any suggestion much appreciated.
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Dougrun

88 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2016 :  21:38:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My area is now closed and healed, just some scar tissue remains. I am using the BEC sunscreen as it heals since it has vit.E and tamanu oil in it. Seems to be helping. During my experimentation period before I started my serious treatment, i used frankincense oil on it which caused a significant tissue indent, which is now rebuilding. The color is getting more normal day by day and the scar tissue is getting closer to flaking off.

edit: the scar tissue wasn't scar tissue so I started treating it and its back to a big open area again, hopefully I get it all this round.

Edited by - Dougrun on 12/11/2016 23:17:50
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thomaso61

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2017 :  10:51:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone ever use this product?
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Clarkster

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2017 :  19:46:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rpmatson
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Link from the FDA:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6808c.htm




The link above no longer works. This link works though
https://www.fda.gov/iceci/enforcementactions/warningletters/2015/ucm436079.htm
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Clarkster

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2017 :  09:29:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Curaderm or Sunspot-es has salicylic acid as a major ingredient. These two papers indicate that hyperthermia would significantly increase the death of the cancer cells:

Out of Warburg Effect: an effective cancer treatment targeting the tumor specific metabolism and dysregulated pH
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312601602_Out_of_Warburg_Effect_an_effective_cancer_treatment_targeting_the_tumor_specific_metabolism_and_dysregulated_pH
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Laurent_Schwartz/publication/312601602_Out_of_Warburg_Effect_an_effective_cancer_treatment_targeting_the_tumor_specific_metabolism_and_dysregulated_pH/links/58a1766692851c7fb4bf5f9b/Out-of-Warburg-Effect-an-effective-cancer-treatment-targeting-the-tumor-specific-metabolism-and-dysregulated-pH

laserthermia kills acidotic cancer cells more effectively than conventional hyperthermia
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02133161

I have been using Subspot ES and combining it with intermittent fasting, and a vegan diet. I have also been sitting in the sauna for about an hour at a time (this can be difficult).
I plan on putting on the Sunspot ES before I go into the sauna.
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Eddie_T

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2017 :  21:34:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had posted on the Efudex thread that the ulcer on my forehead left by Efudex had healed with the use of Curaderm. About a week ago one edge felt a bit scaly so I went back to Curaderm and the perimeter is opening up (one edge only so far). Today I received Sunspot ES that I purchased off Ebay interestingly the instructions say do not use on broken or inflamed skin. I am assuming that is to protect Lane Lab's sunspot cover. I am using Curaderm instructions and will see how it goes.
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Eddie_T

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 11/14/2017 :  22:25:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My crater seems to be healing so I am switching from Sunspot and Curaderm to EMT GEL to promote healing.
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