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sixftlion
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 Posted - 04/23/2011 : 15:32:23
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First thank you all for this great forum, and you Dan for the entire website. I've been quietly cruising here, reading and educating myself for many weeks now. I am a tennis player (in the sun a lot) and found a lesion under my right eye corner. It hasn't healed for many many months, and after googling on internet I self diagnosed myself with BCC.
I first started to use coconut oil on it (before finding this forum). Not much happened. I wanted to use hash oil, but couldn't get my hands on it. I have a lotion that has a bit canna in it, but I think it's not strong enough, so it didn't work much, and I was getting the oil in my eye and was seeing blurry on the tennis court. So finally I ordered three boxes of Cymilium and here I am. Day 8 of Cymilium use.
I have decided that I also want to help all others who will search help online in the future, and I am taking pictures daily, and will write daily journal with progress and reactions etc, and post it online for everybody who will need it. It will come up in a few days... meanwhile I have a few questions about personal experiences to all the Cymilium users.
1) my lesion is getting progressively "worse" - more inflamed, oozing and even bleeding. It is day 8 today, applying cymilium 3 times per day. I understand that the oozing and inflammation is a good thing? The cancer cells being eaten up and "flushed" out to the surface? Dan, please correct me so I don't write something stupid in my "daily journal".
2) The redness and inflammation has spread out all around the lesion, pretty much the entire top of my cheek is kind of swollen and red. I can feel the pressure if I bend over. ( I am an athlete, so there's a lot of bending over during my days). Is that normal that the inflammation gets quite big? Can I and shall I soothe it a bit, and with what in that case?
3) How long do you keep the cymilium on? I apply 1/3 or 1/2 of the packet (it burned horribly the first 2-3 days, now the burn is kind of "pleasant") Then I leave it on for hours. It gets pretty ugly, as it oozes or bleeds a bit, and the edges get dry (i.e. dark brown)... not pretty. Then I clean it, wash it and re-apply. The last few days I've been letting it breathe a few hours after cleaning, just because it looks so "stressed out" and hurts. What are your experiences with how long you keep it on, letting it breathe? Keep it overnight?
4) Shall I apply orange oil or other of the oils mentioned in the forums in between cymilium to soothe the redness/irritation?
5) In the beginning, it was pretty small lesion, now after applying the cymilium, it is much bigger and wider and the skin peeled off even in other adjacent areas. I understand that as there was a BCC growth there too, invisible to my eye, and it's all dying off. To me, it looks like after 8 days it looks really really bad, but after reading all the forums, I understand that this is the process and it's going to be fine. That's why I want to write daily progression journal.
6) As I mentioned, I am on the tennis court every day, living in California. I am wiping the cymilium off before going outside in the sun, and so it wouldn't get in my eyes while sweating... anybody has experience with the cymilium in the sun?
Sorry for this super long message. I hope I will hear a few personal opinions from the Cymilum users, whether it worked for you or not (I hope it did!). Maybe I forgot something and you want to mention it?
Sincerely,
Suzanna
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Will post the journal with pictures and all in a few days.
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waverider
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Posted - 04/23/2011 : 23:45:50
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| I haven't used cymillium but have had gotten total cure results with petty spurge. However others hereabouts have had equally good response from cymillium. I can tell you this generically: Almost any treatment that's effective will inevitably make the situation appear much worse at first -- sometimes *dramatically* so -- before things start to get better. In fact, if I didn't see that alarming response at the beginning of a treatment, I'd have serious doubts that I was going to get a positive result in the end. Only other thing I can comment on is your remark about using orange oil to "soothe" the area. I have used orange oil and others like Dan have gotten good results with it as a treatment. I don't think it could be described as having a "soothing" effect, however ... orange oil generally stings pretty robustly for about a half hour if there's any skin cancer or other abnormal cells present. In fact, that's one of the most valuable things about orange oil: You can use it as an excellent "indicator" to judge how much cancer or other abnormal cells are present, and how deep in the skin tissue, by the degree and duration of sting response you get when you apply it. Look forward to your reports about cymillium. We haven't heard a lot about it lately and some organized reports of it will be helpful. I'm in CA too and petty spurge is not hard to grow here. However, you'd have to be very cautious about using it close to your eye -- though it has been done successfully by others taking great care. You can read those reports in the (very long) petty spurge thread above. |
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Posted - 04/25/2011 : 13:29:13
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Suzanna, thanks for the post and I hope things are going better for you. I agree with waverider's remarks on both Cymilium and orange oil. I have used Cymilium successfully on an squamous cell carcinoma (SCC). A reaction is usually a good indication of potency but can be discouraging too if there are not enough signs of progress after a few days. Except for the first 3 days where the inflammation got worse, it was easy to see that Cymilium was working in my case. A basal cell carinoma (BCC) involves cells deeper from the surface and that may be why Cymilium has more difficulty working on BCCs. I tried to apply Cymilium continuously and left it on as much as possible.
One thing I have noticed is that incorporating rest days seems to help the healing for some remedies and can provide the feedback whether the remedy is working or not. For example, I know I would have given up on orange oil if I did not take a few days off. In that case, I was able to compare before and after photos to confirm that I was on the right track. I don't think there is much danger of either pancreatin enzymes or orange oil losing their effectiveness by taking a few days off.
I think that the combining of different types of treatments often makes them synergistic so that lower inflammation remedies can have a big effect. Consider using the rest days to try a more soothing remedy such as agrimony http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=891 or vitamin E and alpha lipoic acid http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=888 or vinegar and eggplant http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=143 . However, I agree with waverider that you probably will not find orange oil to be soothing!
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sixftlion
USA
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 17:02:24
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WaveRider and Dan, thank you so much for your inputs. Shortly after I posted, I found a lot of orange oil discussions and realized that it is not going to be the soothing thing. I bought some organic Aloe Vera oil and vitamin E oil, and put it on the skin in between the Cymilium treatments. It makes the skin less sensitive. Today is day 11 of Cymilium and I am noticing it is burning less. The intense burn (that my eye is watering) last only 5-10 seconds. But I am noticing more new "holes" in the skin around the original crater. I guess that's a good thing, other bad cells were found and eliminated?
Later today, I will buy the orange oil. I was searching on Amazon at first, but was a bit hesitant to buy the "cleaning and degreasing" orange oil. I know it's the D-lemonene that is necessary, but I was not sure if there's some other stuff/chemicals that wouldn't be too good to put on my lesion, especially that is that close to the eye. Now Dan, you said the sweet orange essential oil is as good, so I will get that one. Just sounds a bit healthier :-)
Also I am noticing that when I put the vitamin E oil (or my other coconut/emu/canna cream) on for healing, somehow it soaks through the skin and gets slightly in my eye. It doesn't burn or anything, but my eye is slightly blurry ALL the time and it's detrimental to my tennis game. Grrrr... So I just do it over night. Dan, I will also get the Agrimony today and will use that one too. After you mentioned you had SCC, I went online to look at pictures, and actually I am not sure if mine was BCC or SCC, it was a little pink crater that never healed. Scabbed over, scab fell off and it was another a bit bigger pink crater there.
Thank you guys for your comment, it's really helpful. This forum is absolutely unbelievable! I hope to post my journal with pictures soon.
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sixftlion
USA
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 17:08:23
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This is how it looked before, with the scab. When it fell off, it was just a pink hole under.
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I will post a better journal with daily progress soon.
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sixftlion
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celtchic
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 22:36:44
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WOW...I'm new here (thank you, Dan) there's a lot of information to digest.
A picture IS worth a thousand words!! Thank you SO much, Suzanna for your pictoral account of your Cymilium results...this has been incredibly helpful to me. I'm really happy for your success, as well, it's much improved.
I have been using Cymilium since the 1st of May (2011) on 2 problem areas. One is a 'pre-cancer' (what my dermatologist called it) which is just a reddish, scaly patch under my eye. He's sprayed it with liquid nitrogen 2x and the last time he sprayed it so hard the whole area was swollen and bright red. The problem did not resolve however, so now I'm using the Cymilium on it and it appears that the results are similar to yours Suzanna. The area got much worse with redness and swelling but there was definitely 'gunk' coming out of a few tiny spots and now when I clean it the pain is much less, as is the redness and the small bump that I could feel underneath. I also had the pressure/pain when I bent over...also GONE. Hopefully within a few more weeks the skin will be normal again.
I was using apple cider vinegar to clean the area but I discontinued that when I read (somewhere here) that someone claims to have 'blown out' a cancer with vinegar alone. I wanted to know what was working and what wasn't.
My second issue is a biggie. It's a basal cell carcinoma on my nostril. I was scheduled for Mohs surgery on May 10th but got scared and rescheduled for October 5th and did a whole bunch of research...found this site...and ordered both Perrins Blend AND Cymilium.
The Mohs will be very tricky because of the location of the lesion and the surgeon told me that they have to make a 'few' incisions to create flaps to close the area. I was incredulous about all this bad news because the spot is so small it looked to me like a little blister and no one (other than my son) had ever noticed it. I've had it for a couple of years and there's been no change.
Initially, I used the Perrins Blend on both spots and noticed very little difference. This was messy and laborious but I persevered from April 1st to May 1st, when I switched over to Cymilium.
BUT, it seems that the Cymilium treatment on the basal cell carcinoma on my nose is stalled. At first it got quite inflamed and red and the top layer would dry up, fall off and bleed a bit. This process went on for a few weeks but in the past week there hasn't been much in the way of burning or sensation when I apply the cream and there's no more oozing or bleeding. I tried blasting it with the apple cider vinegar today before reapplying as I'm hoping to jump start the process.
Does anyone have any similar experiences with a BCC and Cymilium? I'm desperate to kill it so that I can avoid a bunch of incisions on my face for what appears to be such a small issue (clearly the problem is much deeper, though).
I was considering switching back to Perrins for another month and then back to Cymilium after that (one month on and one month off)...but I just don't know what to do and feel pretty freaked out. I know that most of you can really relate and I am so grateful for this site to blubber, vent and SHARE!
Celtie
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sixftlion
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 23:01:44
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| Celtie, so glad that the pictures of the process of my first two weeks have helped you. I haven't posted any update, but it's been another 3 weeks since then. The third week, I have added Agrimony, and Aloe Vera sometimes to sooth the skin. At times, I put vitamin E on it over night. During week 4, I started to use Orange Oil... expecting it to burn badly, but maybe my lesion is in much better shape - the burning was very pleasant. It seemed like the orange oil did excellent job in the final healing. I put Cymilium just a few more times and stopped it, and use the orange oil instead, a several times per day. Sometimes at night I put the vitamin E on it, sometimes more orange oil. The skin is not completely closed yet (from the side you can see a little indentation), but if you wouldn't know, you wouldn't notice... besides that my skin all around is mis-colored (I was putting the Cymilium on a big area around the lesion and it kind of chewed up my tanned skin. Then the pink fresh one came, but it became now dark compared to my other skin.) I hope it will even out with time. I will add another picture here how it looks now, 3 weeks after the posted journal (i.e. 5 weeks since starting Cymilium) |
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sixftlion
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 23:04:05
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Celtie, so glad that the pictures of the process of my first two weeks have helped you. I haven't posted any update, but it's been another 3 weeks since then. The third week, I have added Agrimony, and Aloe Vera sometimes to sooth the skin. At times, I put vitamin E on it over night. During week 4, I started to use Orange Oil... expecting it to burn badly, but maybe my lesion is in much better shape - the burning was very pleasant. It seemed like the orange oil did excellent job in the final healing. I put Cymilium just a few more times and stopped it, and use the orange oil instead, a several times per day. Sometimes at night I put the vitamin E on it, sometimes more orange oil. The skin is not completely closed yet (from the side you can see a little indentation), but if you wouldn't know, you wouldn't notice... besides that my skin all around is mis-colored (I was putting the Cymilium on a big area around the lesion and it kind of chewed up my tanned skin. Then the pink fresh one came, but it became now dark compared to my other skin.) I hope it will even out with time. I will add another picture here how it looks now, 3 weeks after the posted journal (i.e. 5 weeks since starting Cymilium)
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celtchic
Canada
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 23:32:10
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This is new picture is miraculous. Other that a bit of discoloration it appears that the lesion is gone! Did you ever have it biopsied? It looked like a SCC to me ... but I'm new to all these images of carcinomas so I really can't tell one from the other.
Some people here feel that an SCC is more 'superficial' than a Basal Cell Carcinoma (what I have) so maybe I just have to be patient with the Cymilium and I was actually thinking of seeing if I could track down the Agrimony. Is it hard to find or could I pick it up in most any health food store?
I live in Vancouver, B.C.
many thanks, Suzanna |
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celtchic
Canada
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Posted - 05/21/2011 : 00:17:29
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Suzanna,
This might be helpful for the brownish area left behind? Just passing info along in case you want to take a look...
http://www.perrinsproducts.com/Creme_Complete.html (this creme is for larger patches, unlike the purple sticky stuff that you have to keep covered) The pictures are impressive, if they're real!
Someone was mentioning that they were scheduled for 'Thermosurgery'. Does ANYONE have any information on this procedure? All I know is that it claims to knock out cancerous lesions with heat and that it's NOT available in Canada. |
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sixftlion
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2011 : 00:44:44
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Originally posted by celtchic
This is new picture is miraculous. Other that a bit of discoloration it appears that the lesion is gone! Did you ever have it biopsied? It looked like a SCC to me ... but I'm new to all these images of carcinomas so I really can't tell one from the other.
Some people here feel that an SCC is more 'superficial' than a Basal Cell Carcinoma (what I have) so maybe I just have to be patient with the Cymilium and I was actually thinking of seeing if I could track down the Agrimony. Is it hard to find or could I pick it up in most any health food store?
I live in Vancouver, B.C.
many thanks, Suzanna
I have never got in biopsied. I don't really trust the doctors much (no disrespect to any doctors here on the forums!) and also I don't have insurance and didn't want to do the Moh's either. I searched the internet for pictures, and that's how I found this amazing forum as well. Thanks Dan, and everybody! I printed out all the info that Dan put together and was reading it in bed before sleep. Then I decided what I want to do. All the natural cures make sense, as our skin cells renew themselves constantly, so if I just can help a bit to stop the bad ones, it should eventually heal, right? Without the scab, my lesion looked like some online pictures of BCC, so that's why I thought I have that. But because people here were using all these remedies for BCC and SCC, I thought it will work :-)
I also added grape seed extract, resveratrol, vitamin E, pancreatic enzyme, etc into my diet. I eat pretty healthy, but I am an athlete (tennis player) so I beat up my body quite a lot, so there's maybe some inflammation going on all the time. It wouldn't hurt to help my body to get the immune system stronger.
Anyway, the Bach's Agrimony flower essence I got at a health store (Rainbow Acres). I think I also saw it on Amazon and vitaminshoppe. So I suspect you will probably find it pretty easily.
The Cream Complete that you posted, I haven't tried, but reading the ingredients, it looks like it has all the good things. Maybe I will make a similar mixture at home, I have almost all of that stuff! I've been protecting the lesion from sun on the court as I was putting my potions on it, so I am thinking maybe when I can some sunshine on it eventually, the color will even out :-) |
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celtchic
Canada
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Posted - 05/22/2011 : 23:26:41
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(I think)! I have made some significant progress with the BCC on my nose...
based on the fact that you were using peroxide to clean your lesion, Suzanna, I got into my son's Proactiv Solution (I'm sure you've seen the ads on TV for this acne medication) and washed my face gently with that. It's a benzoyl peroxide cleanser with little grains or crystals in it so it sloughs off dead stuff. The BCC which had been doing NOTHING over the last week with Cymilium applied everyday just washed away. I couldn't believe it.
That being said, there's a fairly significant 'hole' in my skin and I can feel the edges of the lesion still there but hopefully the edges will smooth out in time? Today I have just applied some of the Perrins Complete ointment/creme stuff as the area is pretty raw. I want to give it a chance to heal somewhat before I hit again with the Cymilium (for the few weeks they suggest after the lesion is gone).
It's really too soon to say if the problem is resolved or not. I pray that the hole ('crater' - as you say!) will heal and fill in and that this will be the end of an extremely stressful chapter in my life.
The Proactiv definitely gave the Cymilium the kick start it needed. Maybe another option in the arsenal of treatments on the site?
Will keep you posted!
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 05/25/2011 : 13:04:00
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| sixftlion, That was a great journal, I am really impressed. Thank you,marsha |
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sixftlion
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Posted - 06/22/2011 : 23:53:36
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sixftlion, That was a great journal, I am really impressed. Thank you,marsha
My pleasure. I have learned so much on these forum thanks to Dan all all the nice people posting. So if my postings can help somebody, I will be very happy...
Here is a picture 2 months after starting with the Cymilium. The lesion is still there, slightly pinkish protrusion. The skin has not sealed completely, but the lesion doesn't react/burn to orange oil or anything. The discolored skin around it is (I think) from the ammonia in Cymilium, maybe I was just putting it on too large area. After the 2 weeks almost daily Cymilium in the report above, I was putting it on maybe every other day for another week, adding also orange oil, agrimony, vitamin E and Aloe Vera at night. I was careful to put anything other on the lesion (like lotions, sun tan lotions etc). It seems like each time I was on the tennis court and got some sun on it, it was getting irritated and little bit more red. So the weeks 7 and 8 I started to treat the skin like all the other, used soap, shea lotion, sunscreen, etc. It doesn't hurt on touch or gentle pull on the skin. I've been also very disciplined with my supplements and nutrition in general.
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dan
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 01:36:38
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sixftlion, I think this is a nice result! You have also done a wonderful job of documenting so others can learn from your experience. You deserve to feel very happy already!
One of the issues with treating skin cancers topically is how do you tell when you are finished? I think orange oil is a good tool the way you used it. If after applying orange oil it does not sting, chances are the skin cancer is gone. It is probably worth checking again with orange oil in a few weeks. Another check I have used is to rub the site and if it feels like there is a sliver, keep going with the treatments.
Well done and thanks so much! If you can, I would like to hear more about your approach to nutrition and supplements. |
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sixftlion
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Posted - 07/02/2011 : 00:14:59
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sixftlion, I think this is a nice result! You have also done a wonderful job of documenting so others can learn from your experience. You deserve to feel very happy already!
One of the issues with treating skin cancers topically is how do you tell when you are finished? I think orange oil is a good tool the way you used it. If after applying orange oil it does not sting, chances are the skin cancer is gone. It is probably worth checking again with orange oil in a few weeks. Another check I have used is to rub the site and if it feels like there is a sliver, keep going with the treatments.
Well done and thanks so much! If you can, I would like to hear more about your approach to nutrition and supplements.
Dan, after reading the book "Healthy at 100" I got so motivated to eat even healthier than I already do. I eliminated chicken and all birds, meat (I haven't eaten much of it, just occasionally before) and even fish I haven't had much. I base my diet on fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes and nuts. I have some organic egg here and there, and greek yogurt or kefir. I eat about 6-8 servings of fruit per day, and 8-9 of vegetables.
For supplements, I have added unsulfured black molasses (for the potassium content). I make sure that I get at least 3 times more potassium per day as sodium. I added coral calcium and magnesium, for the mineral balance, so my body can use all the veggies to become alkaline. For a couple of weeks, I added a teaspoon soda bicarbonate, molasses and lemon drink first thing in the morning. I stopped now, as my urine pH climbed up to 7.25 and it may be to high for morning urine. I also measured my drinking water's pH and I add 1/8 of teaspoon to each liter/quart to make it perfectly neutral, 7.0.
Other supplements I take are fish oil, resveratrol, grape seed extract, zinc, essential enzyme (bought by mistake, I wanted to buy the pancreatic enzymes that you recommended, and didn't notice until later...), olive leaf extract, vitamin E, vitamin C, and some herbal multivitamin.
I have a new observation too. As my tennis season is in full speed, and it's getting hot and sunny here in California, even though I am trying to protect my lesion under the eye with the hat, it seems like each time after playing, when I put the orange oil on, it's burning tons. Later in the evening, not as much. So it seems like it is still not completely healed, and the sun is not helping much. It does look pretty good (like in those pictures above), but the burning is more intense after the sun exposure.
Now I do have a dilemma with the sunscreens. I've been researching online, and on the EWG website for the least toxic and most protecting sunscreens. All the non-toxic ones contain Zinc and when applying they create a white layer. I wonder what applying of the sunscreen's Zinc on the lesion can do? Harm, not harm? (For interested people, here I put together an article from my research, with my top 3 favorite natural sunscreens (hazard level low, 1, and protection high, "good" to "excellent", and pretty cost effective too: http://www.tennisfitnesslove.com/2011/06/skin-protection-and-best-sunscreens-for-your-skin/)
So, even though my progress has been great, it seems not to be the end of it, yet, and I am still searching  |
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