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thanks01
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 Posted - 12/05/2009 : 08:27:05
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Again, thanks Dan, for the link for DeBCC - your comment and the links copied here:
From DAN:
Good find trudie! An abstract of a Phillipine study "A Combination of Gliricdia Sepium and Anacardium Occidentale (Linn.) (DeBCC) for the Treatment of Basal Cell Carcinoma (BCC) or Skin Cancer" is at http://www.debcc.com/clinicalstudies.html#clinicalstudies There are some pretty severe skin cancer before and after pictures at http://www.debcc.com/clinicalphotographs.html Those are huge lesions to try to treat topically.
Anacardium Occidentale is cashew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew
Gliricdia Sepium is a multi-purpose legume tree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliricidia_sepium
I imagine DeBCC is a combination of oils from the fruits of these trees.
From Thx:
I went and read most of the web pages. What it seems to boil down to is that they are using the oil from RAW cashew NUTS (NOT the oil from the surrounding shell - there is a distinction).
After learning that they charge $145 for several bottles of cleansing "distilled water," etc. and then only give you a tiny patch of the precious oil - namely, a one-time use - I did an internet search for cashew nuts, which I already buy in the roasted, salted form for cooking and eating.
(P.S. I don't mean any accusations against this seller, who seems to be a loner in the Phillipines in discovering this treatment. As we all know, it's hard to make money from "natural treatments" and he does deserve credit both for what seems to be careful work and for honest disclosure about what he is using and selling (unlike some other vendors who have received interest from this website). HOWEVER, I personally am more comfortable with having considerable material to "try" with, and feel that I can only obtain it on my own, by purchase of the nuts. At the moment I don't think he has any other "magical" ingredient. What I trying to say is that his website is valuable, and perhaps some visitors here may wish to try his product directly.)
I discovered that if you want to buy RAW cashew nuts you have to be careful about how they were peeled - either by hand or a light "toasting." The "toasting" is what you DON'T WANT, because the heat may affect the potency of the cashew nut oil.
I went so far as to buy a (very expensive) single pound of GUARANTEED RAW cashews and am now awaiting their arrival. Here is the link for my purchase (you may find other sources as well): http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/truly-raw-wild-cashews-1-lb.html
Right now I don't have big BCC and skin troubles but there are still a few spots on the skin to "experiment" on, including one that was suspicious at the "derm's" for BCC.
I figure two weeks for arrival of the cashew nuts, then to make my own "blender" paste of raw cashew oil, then perhaps five weeks to see how it all works. I intend to keep every one posted. I am writing this now in case anyone else is interested.
I think what got my attention for this is two things: 1) the pictures on the website indicate that this treatment works, and 2) of all the topicals recently discussed (including Petty Spurge, which has been my big interest until now) the "cashew" treatment seems the "gentlest," both during treatment and for the resulting skin after the treatment.
Anyone else interested in "cashew" treatment, please report in.
Regards to all. Thx
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 01:08:48
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Hi thanks01;
Very good find. Great potential for skin cancer treatment.
If they are being honest about it, and the pain side effects are really that low, then it would surpass the hoxsey-like salves as skin cancer treatments, at least for the bcc variety.
I did some research, and they say the extract is from the cashew nut pericarp, or shell., ... and not the nut its-self.
But go ahead and eat the raw cashew nuts you bot; they are deliscious.
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http://lejpt.academicdirect.org/A09/107_112.pdf
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 12/13/2009 : 07:35:04
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drbeck12,
Thank you for your interest in accuracy. I also did a lot of reading, including on the website that Dan found (link above) and a lot of material about moles and warts also being removed by cashews. I am aware of the "cashew apple," the outer shell of the nut, the "pericarp," and the nut itself.
I'm not exactly contesting what you say above, but I came to the conclusion that the nut itself contains the ingredient they use. I could be wrong and would be disappointed, because obviously over here in the northern U.S., the rest of the cashew fruit is not available to me to experiment with. My other "research" involved finding a source of "truly raw" cashew nuts, i.e., not having the pericarp "toasted" to remove, so that the oil that's in the nut would be in as good a state as possible.
I have now received my shipment of nuts, used a blender to make a powdery "puff" of "nut flour," pounded it with a ceramic mortar in a stainless steel pestle into a "peanut butter" consistency, and refrigerated quite a bit. I took some and added a little hand lotion (my favorite ingredient for these experiments) to make it more spreadable, and have started using this paste. As I said earlier, I will report in as time goes on.
Meanwhile, I am all in favor of clarifying, if possible, with the help of other forum posters like you, exactly WHICH INGREDIENT we should be trying to obtain and WHICH PART of the plant we should be getting it from and how. It's not that I wish to take business away from the man in the Phillipines, but I think something natural like this should be available to those interested in doing the work themselves. Also, I would like a little bit more to experiment with than the very small patch (along with other bottles) that his website seems to supply when you purchase the product.** Sometime later if someone is producing a "cashew creme" that you can just handily apply, for a price that is in line with ingredients, I'll happily step up as a customer.
I am eager to have others chime in on this new thread about cashews.
A kind forum reader recently sent me some Petty Spurge Seeds to start of the new year, so I feel that I have a good backup, but I am looking for all the help available on this theme here.
The main reason is how gentle this treatment seems to be and, as the Phillipine website stresses, that it is safe to use near the eyes, having been very successful with the "middle third of the face."
Thanks, THX
** P.S. Currently that website says that the Skin Cancer cream, DeBCC has to be sold to a DOCTOR. The DeMole and DeWart can be purchased by anyone. So, as of now, this DeBCC which he sells in VERY small quantities (a little patch) is not really available directly to us on this forum. We need a doctor to buy it. |
Edited by - thanks01 on 01/23/2010 12:16:59 |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 23:49:44
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Thanks01;
According to Charles Weber you may have some active ingredient in the cashew nuts that you bot.
I just recently found out some new info about cashew nuts possibly containing a active ingredient called anacardic acid . It was researched by Charles Weber., a chemist & soil scientist.
at one point in his essay he (Weber) indicates he is not sure if the nut part contains this chemical, or not.
In the original links that you posted about this story,[or links found from my googling of the inventors name] the Phillipine inventor stated that he did not get his source for his cure from the cashew nut, but got it from the rind or shell, or pericarp of the nut. There is a layer of black oily substance in the rind that causes allergic reactions like poison ivy does. The cashew tree is a member of the poison ivy family. I assume he collects this oil for his use.
From my reading about the nut, I seriously doubt that any truly raw cashew nuts sold as food exists. They heat the un-shelled nuts to kill the oil, so the workers don't get exposed to it; don't get damaged by it. Of course, they are still sold as being raw, even tho it is not true. A lot of foods on the raw food vendors websites are billed as raw, and are not. I would say 50% of the products are not truly raw. "raw" is a selling point now.
At any rate, good luck with your experiment; it may very well turn out successfully. The nuts may have a healing agent in them.
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http://charles_w.tripod.com/tooth.html
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:24:42
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Thank you DrBeck12 for maintaining interest in what I hope will be a fruitful thread in this forum.
I did add a post saying that I agree with you about the Philippine doctor using the PERICARP. I went back and read the info again, and you are right. Where they get down to details about the ingredients it is the pericarp. In other more casual places they refer to the raw nut. I'm not sure where this one of my posts ended up. Anyway.
I made a paste of the supposedly completely raw cashew nuts. I have been applying this to an area on my face and a few other "trouble spots" of various sorts, on which I plan to give more detail later.
I have two comments. One is that this treatment is very MILD. It does not cause pain. It can be used on the face. The second is that I do think I see progress. However, I would love to get some pericarp oil to try as THE REAL THING. (Of course I would be careful.)
I have researched the availability of pericarp oil and will go back to doing so. Up till now I am finding that this is only sold as 100 gallon barrels for industrial use. I have emailed one source asking for just a small bottle (paid for) and got no response. The irony is that there seems to be plenty of this stuff in the world, but you can't obtain just a small amount.
If anyone on this board can see how to get around the supply problem, to obtain some CNSL (Cashew Nut Shell Liquid) in small quantity, or how to make the voice of us amateurs heard in that industry, I would be grateful.
Although I remain a Petty Spurge fan, and plan to try that, I am EXTREMELY interested in the mildness and effectiveness of the Cashew Nut Oil, and I plan to keep on taking action in this direction, over time, even if I have to do this alone.
But, as I say, if any others on this board can help in this area, please keep posting. Thank you. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 21:37:39
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thanks01;
source of oil in Austraila.
But is it still biologically active, after being steam distilled ???
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http://www.puresensations.com.au/p/316645/cashew-nut-shell-anacardium-occidentale-essential-oil-15ml-.html
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 11:52:07
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DrBeck12, Thanks! I have done quite a lot of Internet searching and might have found this small amount once - that's when I thought the nuts themselves were adequate. When I decided I wanted to buy the CNSL oil, I could not find anything like what you found here. I plan to order some. Thank you so much. As for the heat processing, I had been looking at cold-pressed as preferable, since that is also sold by the industrial suppliers. However, further reading has me thinking (as of now) that the heat processing does not hurt the essential ingredient. However, for less than $20 plus shipping, this is certainly worth a try.
Readers, this is why this forum is so great. We can all help each other! |
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 13:47:55
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I have received my (very small - 10 ml) bottle of CNSL from the address drbeck12 showed above in Australia. I am eagerly pursuing my attempts to test the oil on two spots in particular, one an AK and another a possible BCC residue from previous Aldara treatment.
My purpose in posting at this time to give a word of caution to anyone else trying this approach, until we get it better under control.
I "painted" the two spots with the oil (very small amounts). However, I have developed a poison-ivy like rash on another area of my face NOT painted, but possibly rubbed on later by accident.
I'm not going to spend the time right now to go into exactly what I'm doing and all the results, since I plan to do this in detail after about five to eight weeks (the time span resembling the treatment in the Philippines).
I was aware before even starting of the connection of CNSL (cashew nut shell oil) and urushiol, the oil found in poison ivy (and possibly also used in the immune-stimulating activity of Aldara). What I am trying to do here is to warn users of this forum who may be performing their own experiments that, if you are not careful how you use this product, you may get a poison-ivy like rash, including on the tissue around your eyes.
In my case I had used Aldara in this area and for some reason, without having directly applied the CNSL there, I seemed to have a recurrence of the rash in that area.
This does not stop me from being enthusiastic about this product. I'll go into more detail later about HOW the Philippine treatment is being handled and why this may relate to safety and comfort.
For today I will close with a quote from a website on Cashews: Why not pluck the nut and sell it with shell intact -- like a walnut, pecan, or almond? The problem lies in the cashew's family tree. One of the cashew's close relatives is the pistachio, the tasty green (though often dyed red) nut used for snacks and ice cream. Another is the tropical mango. But other relatives – the black sheep of the Anacardiaceae clan – include the not-so-nice poison sumac and poison ivy.
All of these plants contain urushiols, the oily chemicals that makes a brush with poison ivy such a painfully itchy experience. The cashew's share of urushiols are concentrated in an oily liquid trapped between the two layers of the shell. (It's no wonder that an old name for the cashew was "blister nut.")
Because of the lurking urushiols, cashews must be processed very carefully. Much of the work is still done by hand, and cashew workers often suffer from burning rashes and eye irritation. The process of removing the shells and extracting the liquid includes roasting, burning, boiling, soaking, cracking and peeling. Instead of being discarded, the cashew nutshell liquid (CNSL) is often sold for industrial uses. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 13:43:38
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| 2nd warning about CNSL rash: The rash does not show up for about 3 days. At first it SEEMS that there is no effect from applying the oil. Recommend use VERY small quantities, on non-sensitive areas until further info. Thanks01 |
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mtlguyca
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 00:25:40
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Hello thanks01, was wondering if the cashew oil that you bought removed your moles / spots? I used the mole remover paste before, it did a terrific job, so if it worked for you I would buy the oil myself.
Thanks. |
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 12:00:50
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Thanks for your inquiry. I am still interested in CNSL.
When I first tried it, I was using it on my face for some possible BCC, not trying it yet on moles, although I know from reading that it has been used for these also.
The oils in CNSL are related to urushiol, the bad oil in poison ivy. My experience in using the CNSL twice (weeks apart) was that the first time my skin had no allergic reaction and the second time (as often happens with allergies) I had quite a bad poison-ivy-like area, which spread out quite far. I happen to be very allergic to poison ivy.
I still have some remainder of the potential BCC spot that I was working on. And I still think I will try CNSL there again.
I just have not had time in my personal life to spend on this recently, all the paying attention that one should do. The spot is very small.
I hope to revisit this attempt and plan to report on it when I have done so. I also, later, may try the CNSL on some warts and moles.
My "time off" seems strange to me, because I was so eager to try CNSL and still am interested in it. I am also trying to coax along this year's crop of Petty Spurge seeds sent to me by a person on that thread of this board.
I remain interested in all the recent reports coming in from others and feel that the users of this board may be getting close to offering some natural remedies.
My three interests at present are: orange oil (for AK) and CNSL and Petty Spurge for BCC.
Sorry not to be of more help at this time. |
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mtlguyca
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 13:22:43
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I thought, I'd add some more comments, I had a mole of a size bigger than a pencil eraser under my arm pit, I bought the Mole Wart Vanish product, scraped the mole till it bled and applied the paste once the bleeding ceased. It was stinging like crazy and a few days after it just fell of like the whole mole..it even had some small blood veins attached to it, so it seems like it went after the whole thing.
And the mole wart vanish has the same ingredient as you bought..
Anacardium occidentale L
I found another website that sells the liquid but more $$$
So not sure if there is any difference between the one you bought or this: http://verginfoods.com/Cashew.html
I think it has an excellent potential.. |
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mikemjaida
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Posted - 09/09/2010 : 13:23:57
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quote:
Originally posted by thanks01I thinkI have the answer to all oyur querries! If you are really interested, call me at 006324422753. I'm mike malonzo fromthe Philippines.
Thank you DrBeck12 for maintaining interest in what I hope will be a fruitful thread in this forum.
I did add a post saying that I agree with you about the Philippine doctor using the PERICARP. I went back and read the info again, and you are right. Where they get down to details about the ingredients it is the pericarp. In other more casual places they refer to the raw nut. I'm not sure where this one of my posts ended up. Anyway.
I made a paste of the supposedly completely raw cashew nuts. I have been applying this to an area on my face and a few other "trouble spots" of various sorts, on which I plan to give more detail later.
I have two comments. One is that this treatment is very MILD. It does not cause pain. It can be used on the face. The second is that I do think I see progress. However, I would love to get some pericarp oil to try as THE REAL THING. (Of course I would be careful.)
I have researched the availability of pericarp oil and will go back to doing so. Up till now I am finding that this is only sold as 100 gallon barrels for industrial use. I have emailed one source asking for just a small bottle (paid for) and got no response. The irony is that there seems to be plenty of this stuff in the world, but you can't obtain just a small amount.
If anyone on this board can see how to get around the supply problem, to obtain some CNSL (Cashew Nut Shell Liquid) in small quantity, or how to make the voice of us amateurs heard in that industry, I would be grateful.
Although I remain a Petty Spurge fan, and plan to try that, I am EXTREMELY interested in the mildness and effectiveness of the Cashew Nut Oil, and I plan to keep on taking action in this direction, over time, even if I have to do this alone.
But, as I say, if any others on this board can help in this area, please keep posting. Thank you.
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thanks01
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Posted - 09/09/2010 : 19:20:29
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Thank you for contributing to this thread. I did find a way to purchase a very small amount of the CNSL oil. I have used it twice on a spot suspicious for BCC for which the dermatologist had recommended Aldara. (I used it after the Aldara treatment was completed, because there was still a remnant.) The first use seemed promising, but the second raised quite a severe immune reaction, similar to poison ivy. I remain interested in this CNSL, and still have enough to try some more experiments. In the meantime I have been trying some other topical applications. I guess the reason is that I keep putting off the trial of a treatment that makes a fair-sized portion of my face swell and get irritated.
I would be interested in some more forum posts giving updated information on this treatment, how it is handled, and how successful it has been. I myself still plan to keep this CNSL forum thread alive. Thank you, mikemjaidea. |
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