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skinnygirl1
USA
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 Posted - 11/22/2009 : 12:11:55
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I'm new, but I have been reading this site for a couple of weeks.
Calling all people who have successfully treated facial BCC and kerotosis with Vitamin C. I started this treatment on Thursday, today is Sunday. I have a diagnosed BCC and a large keratosis under neath it, the keratosis is the size of a quarter and the BCC is about 5 mm.
I am using ascorbic acid crystals purchased from Swanson. I started out by puting the Vitamin C only on the BCC spot, which is small, but apparently the whole keratosis, including areas I did not even know were there are becoming involved. I am experiencing now a very large spot the size of a quarter or a little bigger of white/gray depression and a quarter inch ring around it that is very red and swollen. This red area is very painful to the touch. This thing looks very mad and is 10 times the size of my original spot. HELP... Also it is very swollen, the area is about an inch and a half below my right eye and my eye area are swelling.
So here's the deal, should I continue with the Vitamin C solution on the "White-depressed" area today, or should I lay off for a day to let this thing calm down. Also, any an encouragement about the fact that this thing will eventually heal and not leave a ginormous scar, would also be helpful : )
thank you in advance.
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jbprof
USA
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:16:27
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Having done Vitamin C treatment on an upper-back BCC, I can tell you that it did cause any scarring for me. I am not sure I would do Vitamin C again though because of the long drawn out weeks of pain. The treatment certainly killed off cancerous cells, but it did not 'cure' the lesion per se. What I did get as about shrinkage of the lesion and about 3 months of no growth after stopping the Vitamin C treatment.
I can't recall how long I kept up treatment for, but I did it two separate times over an 18 month span. This effectively kept the lesion in check.
My only recommendation would be to take a week off ocassionally. During these off periods, the skin in/around the lesion would harden and fall off. This included a blackened ring of skin around the margins of the lesion. The margins of this legion were always more problematic than the center. I attribute this to the fact that the center of the lesion was mostly removed during the biopsy.
Overall, I would probably try other treatments vs. the Vitamin C approach in the future. This is primarily due to the long drawn out nature of this treatment type coupled with pain. If I am going to have that sort of pain, I will elect a more dramatic treatment like bloodroot or petty spurge. |
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skinnygirl1
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2009 : 11:28:49
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| Well, things are looking much better. I started this process two weeks ago, and I am now down to a small scab that is about twice the size of the original spot. It is definitely still healing. No scarring around the area and the swelling has gone down. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 12/23/2009 : 09:59:29
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The orginal lesion is completely closed, but a second one opened up right next to it that is twice as big. But, now I have confidence that what I am doing is going to work. Amazing. Using, Vitamin C, neosporin and aloe vera.
Thanks everyone for all the interesting posts. |
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Grace2Go
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 12/25/2009 : 20:30:29
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I am very happy to hear that this treatment is working for you. I have a couple of questions about the process.
1) Has the pain you mentioned lasted for the duration of the treatment, or did it calm down after awhile?
1) Also, have you experienced any itching with the healing process?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
The orginal lesion is completely closed, but a second one opened up right next to it that is twice as big. But, now I have confidence that what I am doing is going to work. Amazing. Using, Vitamin C, neosporin and aloe vera.
Thanks everyone for all the interesting posts.
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 10:38:26
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Now the additional spot is completely closed except for two little dots. There is no scarring and no other residual effects excepts for dryness. The pain is bad when you are putting on the vitamen c wet. After it dries, it subsides. But everytime you treat it, more pain. You have to be able to self induce pain. I actually took a q-tip and dug into the lesion with the vitamin c. This really sped things up and I got well a lot quicker. I only had moderate itching. I recommend getting a real aloe vera plan, the thin with spotted stalks. It also increased the healing significantly.
Take care all. |
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 11:12:17
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Thank you for the update, I'm so glad to hear you've had such great results! It must be a huge relief to see the bcc almost gone!
I'm familiar with self-inducing pain, and have to do that almost daily in the cleaning/peeling process of my bcc. I just wanted to know ahead of time what to expect, so I can plan the applications accordingly. I've made the mistake of putting something very painful on at bedtime, then ended up being awake most of the night while it burned or stung, then itched like poison ivy.
Wishing you a cancer-free 2010,
Grace2Go
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
Now the additional spot is completely closed except for two little dots. There is no scarring and no other residual effects excepts for dryness. The pain is bad when you are putting on the vitamen c wet. After it dries, it subsides. But everytime you treat it, more pain. You have to be able to self induce pain. I actually took a q-tip and dug into the lesion with the vitamin c. This really sped things up and I got well a lot quicker. I only had moderate itching. I recommend getting a real aloe vera plan, the thin with spotted stalks. It also increased the healing significantly.
Take care all.
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 12:39:58
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grace2go,
Here's what I did, I ordered the straight ascorbic acid (powder form)from Swanson or it can be gotten just about any health food store. I put a teaspoon or so in a small cup and then took a Qtip and "scooped" up the wet powder, not the liquid, on the end of the Q tip and set the "blob" of C right onto the spot. If your lesion is closed, you will need to wet it many times a days to get it open, as the vitamin c will dry very quickly. Don't let the water run down your face as it is acid and can stir up some stuff that you might not want to deal with right now.
Now, I wet the powder or put on new powder at least 10 times a day at the beginning. Be prepared, this will probably turn into a huge legion. Mine went from a 5mm circle closed lesion, to at least a 20 mm open lesion that would scab over and puss and bleed. I was terrified. Because it was so unslightly I kept it covered when at work, but it is not really necessary. At least once a day or more wash it completely and put on the aloe vera, I also used neosporin, but it will make the scab very slimy.
Over time it just kept getting smaller and smaller. The covering or scab came off many times. This does work. It can take some patience cause just when you think you are done, it flare up right next to it.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to write, I'm here for you. |
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dan
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 00:51:14
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skinnygirl, good job! It takes courage to keep going when it looks like things are getting worse. I wonder what is up with the two little dots that you mentioned because the same thing has happened to me before especially with fast growing lesions. Maybe they are somehow double ones or have polarity like a magnet.
Now that it is tiny, you might consider switching to a round of orange oil to see if it is really gone. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 12:50:13
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| Thanks Dan. The two new spots are not near the original lesion which is so weird. I had a very big kerotosis and sun damage in that area and exactly symetrical on the other cheek. I remember the two days that damage was done when I was 15 years old. Two days in a row to the lake, double sun burn, all to see a boy, I still remember his name, but he probably doesn't remember me. Go figure. Also, I've led a pretty stressful life and haven't been a stickler about my health. This was a wakeup call for me about taking better care of myself so that I don't have these things, in this case BCC, that stop me in my tracks. My husband is a Chiropractic Physician and we went for alternative treatments first, I'm so glad I did. Thanks for you support everyone. Even if you didn't want to post, I know that you were with me in spirit. We are all in this skin and life thing together. I am going to attack the other cheek next. I'll take lots of pictures so I can post my progress. Have a great, cancer free new year. |
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Grace2Go
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 16:37:51
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skinnygirl:
I found "Carlson Mild-C Crystals", 6 oz jar from Swanson Health Products. Is that it?
Thanks for the detailed info about the process you followed and the results you've had using the Vitamin C.
Grace2Go
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
grace2go,
Here's what I did, I ordered the straight ascorbic acid (powder form)from Swanson or it can be gotten just about any health food store. I put a teaspoon or so in a small cup and then took a Qtip and "scooped" up the wet powder, not the liquid, on the end of the Q tip and set the "blob" of C right onto the spot. If your lesion is closed, you will need to wet it many times a days to get it open, as the vitamin c will dry very quickly. Don't let the water run down your face as it is acid and can stir up some stuff that you might not want to deal with right now.
Now, I wet the powder or put on new powder at least 10 times a day at the beginning. Be prepared, this will probably turn into a huge legion. Mine went from a 5mm circle closed lesion, to at least a 20 mm open lesion that would scab over and puss and bleed. I was terrified. Because it was so unslightly I kept it covered when at work, but it is not really necessary. At least once a day or more wash it completely and put on the aloe vera, I also used neosporin, but it will make the scab very slimy.
Over time it just kept getting smaller and smaller. The covering or scab came off many times. This does work. It can take some patience cause just when you think you are done, it flare up right next to it.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to write, I'm here for you.
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skinnygirl
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 17:30:08
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No, what is got is the following:
Swanson Premium 100% Pure Vitamin C Powder
SW1130
16 oz (454 grams) Pwdr
$15.99
In Stock
I copied this off of the Swanson Website.
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Grace2Go
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2010 : 00:34:30
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I found it now, thanks! That didn't come up in my initial search of their products.
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
No, what is got is the following:
Swanson Premium 100% Pure Vitamin C Powder
SW1130
16 oz (454 grams) Pwdr
$15.99
In Stock
I copied this off of the Swanson Website.
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NaturalSAHM
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 10:47:29
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Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods. 1000mg Vit C, 50 mg Dog Rose (rose hips). I'm also mixing it with Aubrey Organics Pure Aloe Vera instead of water. This product is a clear, thick liquid. (the ingredients are: organic barbadenis (aloe) leaf juice, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed extract, & tocopherol (vitamin E). I did this mostly because I was scared that using the Vit C topically would burn so I added the aloe to help soothe the skin. Also, I read somewhere that when Vit C is taken internally along with aloe, it helps with bio-availability so I was hoping it would be similar if applied topically. Its definitely doing something. I noticed that when I treated a larger area, that the lesion was a little larger than I thought. When the scab does come off, when you apply the vit c "paste" that the area under it will turn black. Its a little scary. I do want to add that I've not experience any bad pain or burning or anything. However, I did mix one of the tablets with water to see how that reacted and it pretty much reacted the same as the vit c/aloe combo.
I've tried other things listed on this website including EV, orange oil, and an esocaric salve that contains a small amount of bloodroot, along with peroxide, aloe, vitamin e, etc. and nothing happened. I mean, it would react but not enough to knock it out.
I do want to add that this is an undiagnosed non-melanoma lesion on my nose. If this treatment does not work after a couple of weeks, (started this past Tuesday) I'll be going to a dermatologist for a biopsy and go from there. This lesion has been present for less than 1 year. My 2010 goal is to get this lesion GONE. I'm not opposed to surgery but it will only happen after I've tried alternatives first. I'll definitely keep everyone updated.
Thank you to all that contribute to this site. Awesome stuff!!! |
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skinnygirl
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 11:35:46
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NaturalSAHM,
I think your concoction sounds awesome. Usually you can just rub the black off. I had to debrid my wound fairly often. I'm surprised that the Vitamen C doesn't burn on the open lesion. Let us know how it goes. I also have a regimen of taking high quality aloe from Univera on a daily basis and have for a long time as well as a supplement of grapeseed extract. Good luck, looking forward to updates. |
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NaturalSAHM
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 10:28:58
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Scab peeled off this morning so I put on some aloevera/supraclens and let it dry. I then applied vit c/aloe combo and I'm feelin a sting. Not pain but sting. Today is day #7. Wish me luck!
Skinnygirl, how's your spot doing? What are your daily treatments like these days? |
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skinnygirl
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 12:21:18
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| everything is closed up now and I am treating several times a day with aloe vera. Looking really good |
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NaturalSAHM
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:21:06
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Hi all. My lesion is now closed and appears healed. I am now doing as Skinnygirl is doing and applying aloe several times per day. There is a small divot where the spot originated. It looks as though I've had a biopsy but never have. I wouldn't go so far as to say its gone because only time will tell but it sure appears that way right now. In a couple of weeks, I'll apply either my topical vit c concoction or orange oil to make sure there is no reaction. I'll update again after that.
Thank you all so much for posting your stories here. If it weren't for all of you, I would have never thought to go this route and feel comfortable doing so, especially after losing my mother to metastatic SCC of the nasal septum.
God bless.
Here are some pictures that I took during the Vitamin C/Aloe paste treatment.
http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab183/naturalsahm/nose%20pics/ |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 19:31:20
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| You poor baby. Could there be a worse place for one of these darn things. It looks really good, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't find over time that that divet starts to fill in completely. I am so happy with your progress. So happy that things are looking better for you. |
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dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 01:42:30
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Here's a theory why skin cancer may respond to topical vitamin C and aloe. Cancer cells are deficient in many enzymes that normal cells have in abundance. Catalase is one of those enzymes lacking in cancer cells which facilitates changing hydrogen peroxide into oxygen and water (and back). Hydrogen peroxide is a by-product of many normal metabolic processes. Catalase is extremely efficient at enabling this conversion.
High doses of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) result in the production of peroxides in and around cells. Healthy cells use hydrogen peroxide for certain metabolic needs and the excess is converted into water and oxygen by catalase. Since cancer cells produce little or no catalase, they are unable to convert the hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen and consequently are oxidized and killed. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html
Cancer cells are also ravenous for the sugar glucose. Aloe vera is able to reduce blood glucose levels.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16819181 Applied topically, the effects of aloe may substantially increase locally.
So it is not crazy that this Vitamin C and aloe paste treatment works for skin cancers. It is also not surprising that topical ascorbic acid may not work for every skin cancer if the cancer cell is still able to produce some catalase. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalase , one molecule of catalase can convert millions of molecules of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen per second!
Other catalase inhibitors include acetate, ascorbate, ethanol, formate, methanol, and nitrite. http://www-saps.plantsci.cam.ac.uk/records/rec279.htm Perhaps this is also the mechanism for some success of vinegar (acetic acid) on skin cancers. http://my-ecoach.com/online/resources/3945/catalase_enzyme_procedure_and_data_table.pdf.
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Dr. Ascorbate
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 01:10:08
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Several years ago I put the information about killing basal cells with vitamin C on several web sites, most notably the cancertutor.com and vitamincfoundation.org. The vitamin C I used was sodium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid. Both will kill cancer cells. Ascorbic acid burns on open sores like lemon juice. Sodium ascorbate does not burn. I now put 1 tsp. (5ml) of sodium ascorbate in 1 Tbs. (15ml) of clean water and apply to lesion as often as you want. I can put this solution directly in my eye with no burn or pain. I tried this because of a lower eye lid bcc I was treating.
Vitamin C is the ascorbate ion which has a charge of -1. It is paired up with a positive ion usually hydrogen or a mineral salt such as sodium, calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, etc. Ascorbic acid has a pH2. This is like lemon juice. It will burn like hell The pH of sodium ascorbate is 7 or neutral. If sodium ascorbate is put in a water with pH lower than 7 it will bring it up to 7 as it acks like a buffer. Sodium ascorbate will not burn a cut any more than saline solution. Hydrogen ascorbate or ascorbic acid will burn like lemon juice or vinegar or salt. In the future please use sodium ascorbate on skin lesions to avoid pain. It is the acid or H+ that burns, not the ascorbate.
Hydrogen peroxide put directly on any skin cancer will kill it. It is H2O2 created by vitamin C that does the killing anyway. H2O2 alone may not penetrate to kill the roots of the cancer unless it is very shallow. I would use both.
Happy Hunting,
Dr. Ascorbate
Somehow the fact that you use sodium ascorbate and not ascorbic acid
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Originally posted by Dr. Ascorbate
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Originally posted by skinnygirl1
I'm new, but I have been reading this site for a couple of weeks.
Calling all people who have successfully treated facial BCC and kerotosis with Vitamin C. I started this treatment on Thursday, today is Sunday. I have a diagnosed BCC and a large keratosis under neath it, the keratosis is the size of a quarter and the BCC is about 5 mm.
I am using ascorbic acid crystals purchased from Swanson. I started out by puting the Vitamin C only on the BCC spot, which is small, but apparently the whole keratosis, including areas I did not even know were there are becoming involved. I am experiencing now a very large spot the size of a quarter or a little bigger of white/gray depression and a quarter inch ring around it that is very red and swollen. This red area is very painful to the touch. This thing looks very mad and is 10 times the size of my original spot. HELP... Also it is very swollen, the area is about an inch and a half below my right eye and my eye area are swelling.
So here's the deal, should I continue with the Vitamin C solution on the "White-depressed" area today, or should I lay off for a day to let this thing calm down. Also, any an encouragement about the fact that this thing will eventually heal and not leave a ginormous scar, would also be helpful : )
thank you in advance.
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dan
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 21:49:48
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Dr Ascorbate, thanks for pointing out that the mineral ascorbate types of Vitamin C should produce a better result for topical skin cancer treatments. Mineral ascorbates are vitamin C attached in a non-acidic form to other molecules such as sodium, calcium or magnesium. The neutral pH of the ascorbates should make the treatment less painful, at the very least.
There are even more vitamin C choices to consider. One supplement, Ester-C® contains mainly calcium ascorbate, but also contains small amounts of the vitamin C metabolites dehydroascorbate (oxidized ascorbic acid), calcium threonate, and trace levels of xylonate and lyxonate. The metabolites are supposed to increase the bioavailability of vitamin C. Ester-C® should not be confused with ascorbyl palmitate, which is also marketed as "vitamin C ester".
Ascorbyl palmitate is a vitamin C that has been esterified to the fatty acid palmitic acid, resulting in a fat-soluble form of vitamin C. Ascorbyl palmitate has been added to a number of skin creams due to interest in its antioxidant properties as well as its importance in collagen synthesis. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/
skinnygirl and NaturalSAHM reported good results here with regular ascorbic acid vitamin c. It sounds like sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, or magnesium ascorbate may be better choices for topical skin cancer treatments. There are lots of options with Vitamin C, and it may make sense to combine or alternate different types as well as apply hydrogen peroxide directly as Dr Ascorbate suggested. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 12:32:39
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| It's great to hear that there could be a vitamen c that doesn't hurt so much. I have to admit that the pain was pretty bad, but I was pretty sure I didn't want a 3 inch scar across my cheek. I have kerotosis on the other check in the same place, anyone recommendend anything for this that isn't as painful as ascorbic acid. |
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RidgebackDogs
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 16:39:56
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Originally posted by NaturalSAHM
Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods.
NaturalSAHM Hi!
Just wondering what kind of vite C is in the Whole Foods Vite C w/rose hips that you crushed up.
Is is Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc or a mix of them?
Thanks for the reply!
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NaturalSAHM
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 10:53:26
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Originally posted by RidgebackDogs
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Originally posted by NaturalSAHM
Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods.
NaturalSAHM Hi!
Just wondering what kind of vite C is in the Whole Foods Vite C w/rose hips that you crushed up.
Is is Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc or a mix of them?
Thanks for the reply!
Hi Ridgebackdogs. The Whole Foods Vit C I used is ascorbic acid. 1000 mg.
Its been a few weeks since I've posted here but I want to update now. I haven't treated my lesion with anything for a few weeks after stopping the vit c/aloe paste to see if healing continued. Do I think the lesion has completely healed? No. Its not bigger or smaller. It still looks like it did in the last pictures I posted. It doesn't hurt or itch. It never really did, even during treatment. Its just kinda still there, doing nothing. (which is good I suppose) I'm not sure what my next plan of action is. I know the lesion did react to the vit c/aloe paste but I don't know exactly what was going on. Is it possible that my lesion has a barrier that the treatments I've tried just won't penetrate? At times, I've rubbed supraclens on the lesion just before treatments that I've used.
Anyway, I'll post an update when I decide what route I'm taking. I just wanted to let everyone know that personally, I don't feel like the Vit C/Aloe worked for me. Keep in mind though that I have not had a biopsy so I don't know if I'm dealing with BCC or SCC. My lesion seems very stubborn. |
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ad3jd
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 19:59:30
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| I started the vit. c yesterday and already the center has formed a scab. While I was applying more vit. c, the scab fell off and now I have oozing and bleeding. Can anyone tell me if I should continue putting the vit.c on the spot now that it is open? I'm a little confused. Need some help. Thanks! |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 07/23/2010 : 16:31:43
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Hello, fellow explorer,
First of all are we talking about BCC or something else. Is the oozing clear or green or yellow, mine was nasty green and yellow pus. keep doing it...you can intermittently clean with antiseptic lotion and put on aloe vera, but I would keep using the C every day several times, until it starts getting smaller and going away. Best wishes for healthy skin. |
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ad3jd
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Posted - 07/24/2010 : 11:31:21
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| Thanks so much for your reply. I would say it's the same kind of oozing that occurs when you peel off a scab. I have continued with the Vit. C and as you mentioned in one of your first posts, the center has gotten larger and indented. It has lightly scabbed. I kind of rubbed the scab off and put more C on it and wow did it hurt! I hope all of this works. |
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river
Australia
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 07:49:56
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| I started using Sodium ascorbate today as advised by Dr. ascorbate. My lesion is 8cm.dia. I keep it covered with micropore but it dries out and is difficult to remove the tape. Should I mix some cream with the sod. ascorbate to keep it moist? Can some one please advise me. Thanks, River |
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 11:24:15
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| When I use the tape and it dries, and since I cant seem to keep my hands off it, I always wash the tape area with soap and water before I remove it. it softens it up and it comes right off. I've never used the vit c, but couldn't you mix it in coconut oil instead of water? |
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camiloz
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/16/2011 : 12:31:48
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Hi there, how are you guys doing? skinnygirl, ad3jd, river? It's been almost a year, any progress? Please let us know.
I started my treatment over a week ago and what seemed to be around 10mm at the begining has grown to around 20mm over 10 days. I have now a patch of red, iritated skin below the lesion itself but I think it's because I've let the solution of vitamin c to dribble a bit. I was putting a dressing pad saturated with ascorbic acid for about 1 - 2 hours 3 times a day but today after reading this topic I've changed the acid to the sodium ascorbate. There is really a big difference, it's not stinging at all! Maybe the skin around the lesion won't be so irritated now. I think keeping it wet for longer helps to fight it faster. The damned thing is on my arm around 5 inches below left shoulder. I'm taking pictures every three days or so, and when I'm done I will publish them.
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DLM88
USA
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 18:40:14
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| I am dealing with Basal Cell and have surgery scheduled for next month. I have tried the Vitamin C 5,000 mg and been very aggressive with it. the spot tripled in size (which I think was just exposing what was laying under the surface)and now areas are turning black which I think must be good. My question this is between my eyes (I know great place) and the first day I got aggressive with the Vit. C it swelled up like a knot... swelling has gone down but it is still very painful. Did you expereince anything like this? I dont know when to back off. Any advise you can give is much appreciated as I am starting to get scared. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 21:38:48
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Hello,
Here it is almost two years later, and I'm fully healed and no depression where my lesion was. I would only do surgery as a last resort. Yes, the size will explode, which is shocking, but don't lose heart. And yes, it will swell, mine was close to my eye and my eye practically swelled shut, but it does go back to normal fairly quickly. DLM88, I would stay the course, keep it uncovered if you can, and keep wetting it down several time a day with the Vitamin C...And yes, it hurts, but to me, it's better than surgery...take care all... |
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FERNANDO c ROBAINA
USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 : 11:09:53
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I totally cured myself and my wife of 4 BCC's in about 5 weeks with a natural substance. I'm writing a book about it. if you wish to try my cure (but don't mix it with any other). please respond to this post. If so, I would appreciate if you can photo document your application.
regards
fernando
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Originally posted by camiloz
Hi there, how are you guys doing? skinnygirl, ad3jd, river? It's been almost a year, any progress? Please let us know.
I started my treatment over a week ago and what seemed to be around 10mm at the begining has grown to around 20mm over 10 days. I have now a patch of red, iritated skin below the lesion itself but I think it's because I've let the solution of vitamin c to dribble a bit. I was putting a dressing pad saturated with ascorbic acid for about 1 - 2 hours 3 times a day but today after reading this topic I've changed the acid to the sodium ascorbate. There is really a big difference, it's not stinging at all! Maybe the skin around the lesion won't be so irritated now. I think keeping it wet for longer helps to fight it faster. The damned thing is on my arm around 5 inches below left shoulder. I'm taking pictures every three days or so, and when I'm done I will publish them.
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mfo5696
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 15:01:03
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Hi all, this is the first time I have posted to this forum, but I have been reading all the different treatments. My husband get the BCC and I get the SCC skin cancers. We use to just go to the dermotologist and get them removed for just a HMO copay, but now our insurance has changed and the deductable is very high, so I am looking for an alternative treatment.
Has anyone used the vitamin C treatment for SCC? And would the Liquid Vitamin C work?
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Thomas Haugen
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 23:28:09
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Fernando, please send me your skin cancer formula. I have photos of my BCCs and if your treatment works, I'll endorse it.
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jamescat
Australia
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Posted - 01/06/2013 : 09:15:19
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I had a Basal Cell Carcinoma on the side of my face and had it removed by a surgeon, it left a scar, I then had one develop on my nose same look and symtoms, I used lemon juice from a fresh squeezed lemon, and just lightly rubbed it on the affected area daily, and in 3 weeks it had completely healed. There is no sign of its reapearance, Reccomend to try it first before going through any surgical or byotic cream treatments, I was amazed!,
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steward
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 01:05:14
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HI all
There are much many vitamins in a fruit and vegetable and my suggestion is that eat fresh fruits and vegetables and get healthy benefit.Well, things are looking much better. I started this process two weeks ago, and I am now down to a small scab that is about twice the size of the original spot. It is definitely still healing. |
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REDHEAD
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2013 : 23:01:37
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HI
How is your treatment working? I was just diagnosed with BCC and am looking at treatments. I have a 20mm spot on my upper back. I am wondering if it is double in size underneath as most of the post's I have read. Thanks
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Originally posted by camiloz
Hi there, how are you guys doing? skinnygirl, ad3jd, river? It's been almost a year, any progress? Please let us know.
I started my treatment over a week ago and what seemed to be around 10mm at the begining has grown to around 20mm over 10 days. I have now a patch of red, iritated skin below the lesion itself but I think it's because I've let the solution of vitamin c to dribble a bit. I was putting a dressing pad saturated with ascorbic acid for about 1 - 2 hours 3 times a day but today after reading this topic I've changed the acid to the sodium ascorbate. There is really a big difference, it's not stinging at all! Maybe the skin around the lesion won't be so irritated now. I think keeping it wet for longer helps to fight it faster. The damned thing is on my arm around 5 inches below left shoulder. I'm taking pictures every three days or so, and when I'm done I will publish them.
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2013 : 01:50:29
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Hi All, Does anyone post on this thread anymore? How is everyone doing with their treatment?
I just found this forum tonight while searching out alternative treatments. I've had a spot on my face over 6 years, have shown it to several doctors before, and finally went on my own to a dermatologist who took a biopsy and diagnosed it as BCC. They want me to have the Mohs surgery, of course, but I consider that a last-ditch option if nothing else works.
I've come across several ideas, one of which was the topical baking soda cure, and now I find this vitamin C cure. Due to a lot of intolerances, I cannot have the ascorbic acid type and probably not the sodium ascorbate, but I have a bottle of very natural vit C in the cupboard, and it's from organic Amla Extract (whatever that is). It also has rutin, rose hips and grapeseed. It makes a dark brown paste when mixed with water, and I'm just starting to apply it today. It stung only slightly for a very short time. I'm hopeful this will work. |
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JLO
Canada
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Posted - 04/30/2013 : 12:37:42
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Hi,
I have a large bcc on my temple about 3"by 1'5". I started with Curaderm and after 94 days thought it was gone and it came back full force so started with black salve but could only do small areas at a time because of the pain. It is now April and it look like it is growing a bit so I looked into using food grade h202 at a 3% dilution. After one week of this it finally looks and feels like it is killing and healing all at the same time. I keep a cotton pad fit to size, soaked with the peroxide and I cover it with bandages. It is one week and it isn't quite gone, but is looking better and I don't feel the itch or pain anymore. I can only speak from my experience, so I thought I would share. H202 can be taken internally as well (follow protocol for sure) and will help many health problems. It may help you as well. |
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2013 : 19:01:00
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| Thanks for sharing the information, JLO. I haven't known whether to use a Band-Aid or not just around the house, especially since what I'm using dries anyway underneath it. So you soak a cotton ball, then cover it? I've been trying H202 mixed with either Vit. C or Baking Soda, and I think it's working well already. I just started 3 days ago. I might try it all by itself like you've explained. Very painful, though, isn't it? |
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JLO
Canada
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Posted - 04/30/2013 : 19:08:59
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| Hi, I didn't think about mixing it with anything, but maybe I should as well. I guess it can't hurt. I have mine covered just because it was still looking so raw from where the black salve was and it is quite large. It seems to be staying moist too, I do pull the bandages back and soak the cotton mid day, before bed and morning. Are you using crushed up vit. C? |
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JLO
Canada
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Posted - 04/30/2013 : 19:15:09
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| Hi again swanrose, I forgot to mention that I use one of the round cotton flat pads and have it cut to fit in the area, so it isn't real thick. Also, are you using 3% solution? I started with 3% then I was brave one day and instead of 11 to one parts I did 9 to 3 parts but the fumes were even making my eye ball burn and had to put a cold compress on it a few times. So I went back to using the 3% solution. After reading the info from the other folks on the forum it sounds like the 3% should do the trick too. I think I might try the vit. C though. I am willing to add anything. |
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2013 : 23:55:50
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Yes, it's 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, and I just make a paste with it of either the C or Soda. There's lots of information about Baking Soda as a good destroyer of cancer, including taking it internally while using it externally.
The one thing about the soda paste is it hardens and then can just fall off, so I suppose using a Band-Aid is a good idea to hold it in place.
Sometimes at night I use jojoba oil and a Band-Aid, and in the morning there might be impurities that were pulled out, which I think is helping destroy it faster. |
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 01:04:04
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The Vit C I use is powdered in a capsule, so I just empty the powder and mix it. If you crush a tablet, I'd get it to as fine a powder as possible.
Tonight I'm trying mixing Hydrogen Peroxide with Coconut Oil to make a salve, covered with a Band-Aid. That should keep it moist through most of the night. I might even try this with lemon juice. Wow, doesn't this all become a lot of WORK? |
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JLO
Canada
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 10:41:57
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Thank you Swanrose for the tip on jojoba, I didn't realize what it could do. I am going to try that at night. I think my bcc is just about over, just a little spot right in the middle, but I am so afraid of stopping the peroxide or black salve just in case there is still some there. Do you use food grade peroxide? I know the stuff in the drug store is full of impurities, so I have been using the food grade for years around the house as well. This is a link I use frequently, so in case you are interested, you might find it helpful.
http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-dilution-chart.html
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2013 : 01:23:02
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Hi JLO,
Yes, I use USP Hydrogen Peroxide. The only other ingredient is purified water.
I wanted to say that I'm finding it much better to make a "salve" of the H202 than to wear a saturated cotton pad. It could be made with Vaseline instead of coconut oil, I just use the CO because I'm sensitive to petroleum products. The only problem is, the aroma of the coconut makes me think I'm hungry!  |
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JLO
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2013 : 18:22:04
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[quote]Originally posted by Swanrose
Hi JLO,
Yes, I use USP Hydrogen Peroxide. The only other ingredient is purified water.
I wanted to say that I'm finding it much better to make a "salve" of the H202 than to wear a saturated cotton pad. It could be made with Vaseline instead of coconut oil, I just use the CO because I'm sensitive to petroleum products. The only problem is, the aroma of the coconut makes me think I'm hungry!
[Hi Swanrose,
I just picked up some vit C and I also went to the website of Dr Ascorbate (from an earlier post). He sure has a lot of info on Cancer and many other diseases. I am going to soak in a h202 bath as well to get the h202 into my blood stream. I really need to nip this thing in the bud, I am feeling confident that the vit. C is going to do something for sure. All the best to you...Jeanine] |
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susan7000
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 12:11:44
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Did anyone every get a copy of fernando's book. Tried to email him but it wouldn't let me since I didn't have enough posts. Spam control?
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JLO
Canada
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dan
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 23:03:06
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| Hi susan7000, yes there is a spam control to prevent email but you need just 1 post so now you should be ok. |
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susan7000
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Posted - 08/29/2014 : 02:48:07
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[quote]Originally posted by Swanrose
Hi All, Does anyone post on this thread anymore? How is everyone doing with their treatment?
Swanrose-
Did you get any results with trying the Amla Extract? |
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Swanrose
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2014 : 12:28:18
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Hi Susan,
I've had limited results with everything I've tried, which has been Amla Extract, Baking Soda paste, Salt paste, and combinations of the 3. I make the pastes using Hydrogen Peroxide, and dab H2O2 on the lesions frequently when I don't have a paste working. I've also used vinegar and lemon, straight and in a paste.
I have to say the area is much smaller, and a lot of what I thought was scarring has gone away, but there is still too much left. I've gotten to the point several times where I have the "craters", and think it must be all gone, only to have it start back up again a few months later.
I did have this for 6 years before it was correctly diagnosed, so I figure it might take longer than if I'd started in on it immediately when it first happened. I'm considering trying Iodine or an Herbal Drawing Salve to see if that will take care of it. I've not been able to try some of what's been recommended on this board because of allergies.
How about you? How are you coming along with yours? |
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camiloz
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/29/2014 : 15:22:39
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Hi,
I had exactly the same results as Swanrose. After doing Vitamin C for two months I thought I'm finally free and it was looking very good, but after a month or two it was back again. I even tried Curaderm BEC5 but I think now it got even bigger.
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susanh
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Posted - 08/30/2014 : 13:19:25
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Thanks for the replies on your progress swanrose and camiloz.
I did learn on another thread within topicalinfo that Fernandoe's book was about hydrogen peroxide that he and his wife used. He did not give the name of his book that may have given more detail about his procedure.
Mine is close to my eye so I am a little concerned about using hydrogen peroxide as everything I apply seems to have capillary action and bothers my eyes.
I am currently using the john r. christopher product called black ointment. This is not black salve. I put it on at night and when I wake up in the morning my vision is very, very blurry. It takes all day for my vision to return to normal.
This product smells like deer jerky in a smoker. When you put it on it's strong. I do not like the smell. I first only used this at night and I am now applying a thinner coat than I did at first. To get it off I use coconut oil rubbed into it and then tissue it off. It's only been a week of use so far. Mostly emollient imho to the top surface. The test I give it is to eat a bowl of spinach. Within minutes I can feel that burn/itch return and even a throbbing. I avoid spinach unless I want the test because I think it makes it grow.
The other thing I did was use apple cider vinegar to my face to bring up any hidden spots which I think it did so I am putting ointment there now also.
-susanh/susan7000 I have two diff names...same person. I started reading 3 years ago and then forgot my id and password and not being tech smart I just reupped to get in. Now I know better lol.
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susanh
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Posted - 08/30/2014 : 13:21:40
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I also wanted to cut and paste this conversation between anivoc and mrosen as it's buried in the petty spurge thread and I sure would have liked to know sooner. If you are going to pay for a biopsy you should be informed as to which one specifically you have.
here it is:
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 12:38:13 Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
Mrosen,
You bring up a VERY overlooked and important topic....There are many different types of basal cell carcinoma...and that is scary..
I went into this thinking there were three types of skin cancer. This was from my dermatologist years ago...Basal, Squamous and Melanoma with Basal being the least likely to be deadly..Well recently I have been learning there are several different types of Basal Cell Carcinoma...and that probably holds true for Squamous and Melanoma..
After reading your post I did a quick google and came up with this on Basal cell ... There are 12 different types! Yikes... No wonder some of the things that work for some people don't work for others...I have never had a biopsy that detailed what type of basal cell carcinoma I had...I am curious to see what your lab report comes back with...
Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Typically found on the head, neck, and torso basal-cell carcinomas, small, solid elevations of the skin that grow into eroding, crusting, and bleeding craters, are considered malignant diseases because they can cause significant destruction of affected body parts, especially nerves, disfigurement, and invade surrounding tissues, however, basal-cell carcinomas rarely metastasize or kill the patient, and fair-skinned people with a family history of the disease are at a much higher risk for contracting basal-cell carcinoma than non-fair-skinned people are.
Aberrant Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Basal-cell carcinoma can be divided into twelve types including Aberrant basal-cell carcinoma, a cutaneous condition that generally occurs in the axilla, armpits, nipples, scrotum, vulva, and perineum, and may lack any apparant carcinogenic factors.
Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Nodular basal-cell carcinoma, the Classic example of the disease, is a cutaneous condition that occurs most commonly on the head, neck, and other sun-exposed body areas.
Cystic Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Cystic basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with dome-shaped, blue-gray cystic nodules.
Pore-Like Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Pore-like basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with carcinomas that look like enlarged pores.
Polypoid Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Polypoid basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with polyp-like structures generally found on the head or neck.
Cicatrical Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Cicatrical basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition that is aggressive with unique histologic and clinical appearances.
Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus:
Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus is a cutaneous condition commonly found on the patient's lower back.
Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Infiltrative basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with aggressive deep infiltration of tissues.
Rodent Ulcer:
Also known as Jacobi's Ulcer this nodular basal-cell carcinoma is characterized by central necrosis.
Micronodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Micronodular basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with micronodular growth patterns.
Pigmented Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Pigmented basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with increased melanization.
Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Superficial basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with erythematous red patches that commonly occurs on the patient's trunk.
Basal-Cell Carcinoma Groups:
Basal-cell carcinomas can be subdivided into three main groups including Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinomas that contain micronodular and morphea forms of the disease, Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinomas that are the only forms of the disease effectively treated with topical chemotherapies, and Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinomas that cover all other forms of the disease and may have multiple morphologic features of many variants of basal-cell carcinomas in the same tumor.
Causes:
Typically presenting as a shiny, pearly nodule, a red patch, thickened skin, or scar tissue basal-cell carcinoma is caused by mutations in the cell's DNA that leads to the formation of molecular lesions known as thymine or cytosine dimers that make skin cells reproduce rapidly and continue growing, instead of being pushed to the surface of the skin by newly formed skin cells, and dying like they normally would. Other possible causes of basal-cell carcinoma include ultraviolet radiation from sunlight or tanning beds, commercial tanning lamps, exposure to various toxic substances, genetic mutations in the protein patched homolog-one gene that inhibits the hedgehog signaling pathway from providing information to embryotic cells on how to properly develop, and Smoothened-G protein-coupled receptor genes that help prevent abnormalities of physiological developments. Additionally, radiation therapy treatments and immune suppression therapies may also cause the disease.
Symptoms:
The symptoms of basal-cell carcinoma may include such things as sores that do not heal or repeatedly bleed, waxy white bumps with blood vessels in or around them, a reddish patch that may itch, hurt, crust, or have no discomfort at all, a smooth elevated growth with a rolled border and an indented center, a pearly, transluscent, red, pink, white, black, brown, or tan nodule, and yellow, white, or waxy scar-like areas on the skin that have poorly defined borders.
Diagnosis:
Basal-cell carcinomas may be diagnosed through such means as a family history of the disease, physical examinations, and skin biopsies performed under local anesthesia.
Treatment Options:
Based on the location of the tumor, the size of the tumor, the age of the patient, and other contributing factors, cryosurgery with a temperature probe and cryotherapy instruments that typically produce a very successful cure rate, repeated electrodesiccation and curettage that may include up to five cycles, photodynamic therapy with the application of photosensitizers such as methyl aminolevulinate, immunotherapy using euphorbia peplus, or imiquimod cream, for the treatment of superficial basal-cell carcinomas, radiation therapy to eradicate the disease through internal brachytherapy or radiotherapy, chemotherapy with such medications as 5-flurouracil, microscopically-controlled Mohs surgery that produces up to a 99 percent cure rate of primary basal-cell carcinomas, Johns surgery that may remove several layers of skin until there are no signs of the cancer left, and surgeries with frozen section histologies, or parrafin-implanted fixed tissue pathologies, are available treatment options for basal-cell carcinomas.
Risk Factors:
Common risk factors for basal-cell carcinomas include long term daily exposure to the sun, having had several severe sunburns early in life, family members with a history of the disease, having many moles on the patient's body, overexposure to x-rays or radiation, red or blonde hair, freckled skin, light-colored skin, and gray, green, or blue eyes.
Prognosis:
The progosis for basal-cell carcinoma typically depends on how early the disease was diagnosed, and patients with the ailment should receive regularly scheduled check-ups, and perform monthly self-examinations, to ensure the cancer has not returned.
Sources:
This Article was compiled from several websites that provide much more information about basal-cell carcinoma including:
www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm" target="_blank">www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm" target="_blank">http://.www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/basal-cell-carcinoma/DS00925/DSECTION=causes
http://www.healthscout.com/ency/1/199/main.html
http://www.basalcellmohs.com/basal_cell_3.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medicineplus/article/000824.htm |
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susanh
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| I was applying vic c ascorbate solution to my nose generously several times a day and just before bed. On the 3rd night I awoke during the middle of the night with screaming ears. I sat up and wiggled my head side to side to see if the screaming went away and it did not. I stopped the topical c that day. It's now a couple of weeks later and both ears are still screaming. In the day I ignore it but at night when everything is quiet it's really loud! I googled vitamin c and tinnitus and sure enough a certain percentage of people are sensitive to vit c and it will cause tinnitus. |
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