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dan
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 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 00:10:26
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This thread seeks to refine a topical home remedy for skin cancer based on Cymilium, an insert bite remedy containing pancreatin enzymes and ammonia, that also seems to cure some skin cancers. Hopefully we will get some feedback over time from people willing to experiment a little.
The ingredients disclosed on the Cymilium box are the active ingredient ammonium hydroxide 3% in a base containing aloe vera, cetyl alcohol, diazolidinyl urea, emulsifying wax, methylparaben, mineral oil, pancreatin, petrolatum, polyethylene glycol distearate, propylene glycol, propylparaben, sodium laurel ether sulfate, stearic acid, urea, and water.
Ammonium hydroxide is commonly known as ammonia. Petrolatum is commonly known as Vaseline or petroleum jelly.
I think the most critical ingredients in the Cymilium product for topical skin cancer treatment are pancreatin, ammonia, aloe vera, urea, and possibly stearic acid. The other ingredients in the Cymilium preparation probably function as preservatives and topical carriers that disperse the active ingredients, maintain contact with the skin, and prevent rapid evaporation.
The urea compounds in particular may also act as wetting agents and penetration enhancers. Urea works by breaking up the surface tension of the fluid that surrounds the cancer cells, allowing access of the other ingredients to the cancer cell membranes. Many of these ingredients, except for pancreatin and ammonia, can be found in common skin lotions.
From my experience, I am certain Cymilium worked and am a bit less certain my home remedy version also worked on a lesion that a dermatologist identified as a SCC. I have used this home remedy on other unidentified lesions that may have been skin cancers or AKs or fungal infections. Please recognize that this remedy is experimental and should be tried only at your own risk. Here's my recipe:
For the pancreatin enzymes, I used SupraClens contact lens protein remover, available everywhere. I have also tried Source Naturals pancreatin enzymes in gelatin capsules, just pull the capsule apart to add the powder. The capsules are cheaper to use and are likely more potent. However, SupraClens comes with a contact lens case that is handy to mix, store, and carry the ingredients. Since the volume of the contact lens case is tiny, it forces one to mix small daily batches. The small volume also minimizes air contact that will degrade the mixture.
Remove one cover of the contact lens case and add a small glob of aloe vera gel. Find a brand without added alcohol and with urea if possible.
Add a few, say 15, drops of household ammonia. For reference, Cymilium had an ammonia concentration of 3% which is similar to household ammonia (3 to 5%), so that household ammonia should be prominent if the goal is to mimic Cymilium.
Add a few, say 1-6, drops of SupraClens or a pancreatin enzyme dietary supplement (Source Naturals Pancreatin 8x preferred). If using enzyme supplements, start with much less than a capsule. It is a good idea to leave out the pancreatin on the first application to check for any reaction from the other ingredients.
Add some plant based saturated fat (stearic acid). This can come from cocoa butter, shea butter, or skin lotion (Vaseline Intensive Care Aloe Naturals or Jergens Shea Butter). One could also try coconut oil. A bit of plant derived saturated fat seemed to improve the potency possibly by preventing rapid evaporation.
Stir it up with a Q-tip or a finger. Seal the cap tightly when not in use to prevent the ammonia from evaporating. Mix up new batches frequently.
The mixture was applied to the affected skin frequently, at least 3 times a day, with a Q-tip or a finger. If using a finger, rinse it after each application to avoid irritation over time. Treatments were continued for several weeks. Small batches were used because the mixture has an unknown shelf life.
Some people have applied the mixture to just the affected area, others to a much wider area. Applying to a wider area can be troubling if there is widespread skin cancer. Often, the extent of the skin cancer is underestimated, so it initially looks as if the topical treatment is making matters worse. Additionally, any side effects such as nausea will be worse if attempting to treat too much too soon. The pancreatin can react strongly with skin cancer after a single application, resulting in redness, swelling, and itching. It generally takes about five days to become convinced that the treatment is working and things are getting better instead of worse.
If you decide to experiment with this remedy or a variation of it, please post your experiences. A more detailed writeup of my attempt at a homemade version of Cymilium can be found at http://www.topicalinfo.org/Topical.htm |
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homestrong
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Posted - 04/29/2009 : 13:24:52
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I believe this mixture works as good as Cymilium. I have both and I'm seeing
good results from this mixture. |
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homestrong
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Posted - 05/02/2009 : 15:35:00
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I just wanted to post an update.
I have simplified Dan's posted Cymilium "home remedy" and I'm definitely having
better results than the original formula.
I have simplified the formula to
1. one dab of 99% pure, organic Aloe Vera. Use the best possible product you can find.
2. 4 dropss of SupraClens.
whereas before when the mixture included cocoa butter and ammonia, when an application would
almost causes swelling and redness - like an irritation - now I'm seeing my BBC area
on my nose improve WITHOUT the irritation. I submit that you don't need the ammonia,
and that it is the Pancreatin that promotes the body's own ability to attack cancer cells,
and its the aloe vera that helps heal the result imflammation.
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dan
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Posted - 05/03/2009 : 00:54:20
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This is very exciting if it continues to work! Ammonia was always my least favorite ingredient but I did not want to stray too far from the Cymilium ingredients. Plus the aloe vera and Supraclens combo applies clear and is not smelly. You can always try adding baking soda to alkalize the mixture if you hit a plateau. I assume you are using a contact lens case to mix the aloe vera and SupraClens pancreatin enzymes and applying frequently with your finger.
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homestrong
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Posted - 05/03/2009 : 12:18:42
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yes, I mix the two up in a contact lens case with my finger,
and I apply generously. I apply 3-4 times a day. Its clear,
so I can apply and go out in public, no problemo.
My mixture becomes hard, like a hard gel, after sitting in
a sealed contact lens case for more than 2 days. When it
becomes hard, you can spread it on.
I'm gonna look online to get a larger, more economical size
package of Supraclens. Any luck there?
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RickW
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 11:38:31
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dan
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 12:39:10
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Good question RickW. I think using a live aloe vera plant would be ideal. You can also sometimes find fresh cut aloe vera leaves in grocery supermarkets or health food stores. The only reasons I can see to use a manufactured gel are ease of use and availability.
Some aloe vera gel products contain urea. I believe urea is one of the trade secret ingredients of Cymilium that aids penetration of pancreatin to the cancer cell. Urea is a powerful protein denaturant as it disrupts the noncovalent bonds in the proteins. This property can be exploited to increase the solubility of some proteins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea . It would be interesting to see if carbamide peroxide would perform this function. Carbamide peroxide, also called urea peroxide, urea hydrogen peroxide, and percarbamide, is an oxidising agent, an adduct of hydrogen peroxide and urea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamide_peroxide Carbamide peroxide is used for teeth whitening and earwax removal (Debrox, Otix brands). Most people would not recognize carbmide peroxide as urea. Maybe adding a drop of Debrox to the mix would be helpful. |
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marsha
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 00:33:55
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| Does anybody have more results on this? |
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zannah
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 02:43:36
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My lesion is on my shoulder at my lateral clavicle. I am in my 10th year of my MA/ PhD and have stopped carrying a back pack. I have been applying cymilium to an area that seemed to reduce in size initially quickly. I then ran out of cymilium around Thanksgiving... Delivery of additional cymilium was incredibly delayed ( a month) and when it finally arrived I began dousing the lesion again liberally and it began to grow! It began as a small plaque about 1/2 inch and now it is twice as large. I have also developed a few pin sized bumps around the area being treated and on my adjacent humerus. I have tried to ensure that coverage extended beyond the margin of the lesion and now the lesion itself is as large as my over-coverage. It appears that the pin sized bumps are satellites and the entire area is irritated and itchy with a raised margin - kind of worm-like. I have given the process a break for the last few days. DMSO and IP6 are not readily available in Canada... I went to Seattle and found that DMSO is available by prescription only. I had high hopes I feel like i ought to be able to heal this myself and I am disheartened. Today I booked an appointment with a dermatologist  for later January.
Has anyone else had this happen? Have I developed a sensitivity to the cymilium? I can't decide if the satellites are more SCC sites or an allergic reaction.... I am concerned about having a punch biopsy if just because of the location and my need to use my arms for work. Suggestions please! |
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Homemade versions of Cymilium
