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anivoc
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 Posted - 03/22/2007 : 19:27:56
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Here are a few recipes for Blood Root Paste that I have found on the net The first one by appears to be for tumors on horses..
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Eoin Caimbeul
The usual "Try at your own risk - this is dangerous stuff, you were warned,
see a vet for the horse's sake" applies here. Applies double-strength, for
bloodroot! It's strong medicine.
"Compin" would likely be "Compound X", or "Black Salve", a paste of
bloodroot extract and zinc chloride ointment, as I know it, and quite a
potent anti-biotic/anti-bacterial compound with various escharotic uses.
historically, it was used by the various North American aboriginal groups
(including my tribe, the Cherokee) for treating polyps, tumors, warts, and
cancers. it is also a strong anti-bacterial agent, and has been used in
times agone instead of amputation for infections as severe as gangrene.
When compounded as a salve, it is applied liberally, covered lightly when
possible, twice a day.
Bloodroot is Sanguinaria Canadensis, a common North American native herb
also known as "Indian Paint", Indian Plantain", "Mud Plantain", "puccoon"
(red puccoon - there is also white puccoon, which is actually goldenseal,
Hydrastis Canadensis, another escharotic compound that you might look into
in the treatment of your equine friend), and several other odd names. It
is used also (as well as for tumerous issues) for things as diverse as
gingivitis and asthma.
The plant grows wild in many parts of North America, prefering deep woods,
moist soils, and low light, in general. There are small white/yellow
flowers in the early spring, leaves until the hot weather gets a good hold,
and then mostly nothing until cool wet weather in the fall (sometimes not
until the next spring). It is slow growing, generally, and not at all a
showy plant. Quiet and retiring, really.
The root, a knotty, forked thing, bleeds when cut or broken. Honestly, the
name is accurate, it looks like blood. It even 'clots', sort of, after
being in the open air for awhile. I have prepared it by macerating the
root and straining the fresh sap through filter paper. Wear rubber gloves!
If you get the fresh sap on your hands, you'll know it double-quick, as it
tends to be absorbed quickly through the skin. You'll likely get dizzy,
maybe nauseous, maybe a migraine headache. It also might cause a rash or
inflammation on the site it was absorbed.
The "Black Salve", or "Compound X", is generally produced from fresh
bloodroot root extract and zinc chloride ointment. Compounding it is quite
easy, though making it an exact, repeatable formula is, as usual with
herbal preparations, a challenge. Apparently a 1/3rd bloodroot, 2/3rd zinc
chloride misture will make a strong topical anti-cancer agent. Apply
sparingly especially at first. Be prepared for inflammation reactions, and
possibly other allergic symptoms. This is STRONG medicine, not to be
trifled with. The zinc chloride seems to serve as more than just a good
base for the salve, having synergistic properties. It doesn't keep, only
prepare what you need for one or at most two days, and keep that
refrigerated in a tightly-sealed, opaque container.
There are several on-line suppliers of bloodroot extractives. I would
search for one that has a stabilised, standardised formulation and try
that. Gathering your own from the wild is a pleasant and rewarding
experience, when approached in the proper spirit, but results in a medicine
of unknown strength.
After a brief search, I find - but do not know anything about nor
recommend! Caveat Emptor! Research and ask questions! - the following:
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/
http://woodlandessence.com/herbal.htm
http://www.greencanyon.com/products/p101502.htm
I am certain there are many others. Check local suppliers, such as food
co-ops and herbal apothecaries.
There might still be scarring, dependent upon the secondary infections and
other things growing in the tumorous area of your horses tail, so be
prepared with skin healing ointments as well. Vitamin 'E' compounds,
lanolins, tea tree extracts, all the usual things for skin of humans, will
work with your horse as well.
--
Eoin Caimbeul
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. (Groucho Marx)
Here's another
§ ½ cup powdered Blood Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis )
§ ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid
§ ½ cup common white flour
§ 1½ cup warm water
§ 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana )
Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste does not irritate the skin.
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anivoc
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Posted - 03/22/2007 : 20:08:33
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I personally used a product called XXterra which also was made by a horse vet 
Did I mention Blood root works?
Yeah it does and it hurts and scars but it does get the boogers.
I was up near Fresno California one evening sitting in a diner. There was an old guy sitting at the coffee bar joking with the waitress. I could see if I was so lucky to live as long as he had I would be as scared up as he was from skin cancer.
After I had eaten I got up and pulled up a chair next to him and started talking.
I mentioned I noticed he had been through the hocky sticks with skin cancer.. He smiled and agreed.. Thinking I was going to help him I started talking about blood root paste.. He smiled again and told me he doesn't usually talk about it but he had been using the paste for close to 40 years. He had learned about it from an old rancher. He then proceeded to tell me that a waitress at this diner had been diagnosed with Breast cancer. Because it was looking very bleak he told her that his source in Nevada had an internal version that might help her. She was desperate and went for it.. 5 years later cured, no surgery, doctors baffled.
I didn't know this guy from adam.. he had no reason to make it up and gave me the girls name to check.. I have to admit I haven't checked it out yet but will and post back the results..
Again our dear friends at the FDA in the ignorant publics best interest have shut down this poor sap upin Nevada who was making Compin and Compex the external and internal version of his product for the last 40 years..
Over the last 5 years I have seen several companies harrassed , jailed, threatened for offering these type products. Not sure what the driving force is but I can tell you some of the biggest forces are ignorance, obstinance and a mean Napolean complex.
It's amazing that these cosmetic companies can make all kinds of claims about wrinkles and dry skin untouched but companies trying to help ..Making No Guarantees..just saying and posting real peoples results is making "Claims". Certainly somebody claiming they have a cure breaches the law but the sites I'm speaking of didn't.. They made it clear they couldn't..
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anivoc
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Posted - 03/22/2007 : 20:21:18
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Let the truth be told.....
Curtis Brown
FDA in a fight against a flesh-eating paste
HOME REMEDY: A man who's been selling bloodroot -- a naturally caustic substance that eats away at flesh -- as a treatment for cancer, is coming under fire by authorities
AP, ROCHELLE, GEORGIA
Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005, Page 7
Curtis Brown carries business cards with old pictures of his tumors, including an egg-sized growth on his neck. He says they were each shed after the application of a flesh-eating paste containing the medicinal herb bloodroot.
"I cured myself of cancer," the cards read.
Georgia's medical board and the US Food and Drug Administration do not share Brown's enthusiasm for the paste.
The state board has accused its maker, Dan Raber, a rural pastor-turned-healer, of practicing medicine without a license. FDA agents recently raided Raber's business, and a doctor could lose her medical license for allegedly knowing Raber was giving people the paste -- not approved for the treatment of cancer -- and not reporting him.
Raber's paste is described by the medical board as "a caustic, tissue-destroying substance that eats away human skin and flesh." On his Web site, Raber claims the remedy helped him remove a tumor on his wrist, and he displays graphic before-and-after photos of others who have used the paste, including women with scabs on their breasts and men with scarred faces.
While the state board has leveled serious allegations against Raber, he has not been charged with a crime. Prosecutors are studying the case.
Raber has never responded publicly to the board's allegations. In an interview, his son, Kelly, defended his father and his products, which also include enzyme capsules they claim will destroy cancerous cells.
"The herb does not kill healthy tissue," Kelly Raber said, smearing some of the paste on his nose. "Instead, it performs a process known as apoptosis that allows the [cancer] cells to self-destruct."
He said his father's paste is being singled out because it is an old remedy that cannot be patented and therefore would not generate large profits for the medical establishment or giant pharmaceutical companies.
Dan Raber was named in a state complaint filed against Dr. Lois March, an ear, nose and throat specialist in south Georgia who risks losing her medical license for allegedly providing pain medication to 12 patients who had received Raber's bloodroot treatments. The board said seven of the patients had breast cancer and that the doctor knew or should have known that Raber's use of bloodroot "mutilated their breasts and caused excruciating pain."
"These are wild accusations that aren't true," March said.
During a 2003 crackdown on alternative medicine merchants who made false claims on the Internet, the FDA shut down a Louisiana company that sold a bloodroot paste and its owner was sent to prison.
To prove bloodroot's effectiveness, Raber cites numerous books and studies that support the use of salves and pastes containing herbs and other ingredients for treating skin cancer. Such preparations are supposed to isolate the tumor from healthy tissue and cause it to fall out. Mark Blumenthal, executive director of the American Botanical Council, said bloodroot has been used for years by nontraditional healers to treat skin cancers, but he acknowledged "the efficacy has been unproven from a scientific point of view."
After years of sun exposure, Brown, the retired farmer was plagued with skin cancer. Doctors surgically removed cancerous growths from his face and arms, but when a nearly 8cm-long tumor grew on the left side of his neck in 2002, Brown instead tried the paste, even though it meant nearly a month of excruciating pain. He said after 26 days of using the paste his tumor fell off, leaving a crater in his neck that eventually healed. A scar is hardly noticeable just below his jaw.
Michael Bradley of Monroe, Georgia, a Vietnam veteran who said he was exposed to the herbicide Agent Orange, said he decided to try Raber's paste after doctors confirmed he had a large melanoma on his upper back.
"It came out after 30 days," Bradley said. "It was very painful, but I'm still alive. I know a lot of people who didn't go that route and they're dead."
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Pasted from http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/08/30/2003269726
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K Lynn Hall
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Posted - 04/18/2007 : 13:21:13
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We used Compin for years, so imagine my horror when I found out recently that they had been shut down. Do you know where I can get a product comparable to the internal Compin or a recipe for it?
Thanks,
K'Lynn
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Originally posted by anivoc
I personally used a product called XXterra which also was made by a horse vet
Did I mention Blood root works?
Yeah it does and it hurts and scars but it does get the boogers.
I was up near Fresno California one evening sitting in a diner. There was an old guy sitting at the coffee bar joking with the waitress. I could see if I was so lucky to live as long as he had I would be as scared up as he was from skin cancer.
After I had eaten I got up and pulled up a chair next to him and started talking.
I mentioned I noticed he had been through the hocky sticks with skin cancer.. He smiled and agreed.. Thinking I was going to help him I started talking about blood root paste.. He smiled again and told me he doesn't usually talk about it but he had been using the paste for close to 40 years. He had learned about it from an old rancher. He then proceeded to tell me that a waitress at this diner had been diagnosed with Breast cancer. Because it was looking very bleak he told her that his source in Nevada had an internal version that might help her. She was desperate and went for it.. 5 years later cured, no surgery, doctors baffled.
I didn't know this guy from adam.. he had no reason to make it up and gave me the girls name to check.. I have to admit I haven't checked it out yet but will and post back the results..
Again our dear friends at the FDA in the ignorant publics best interest have shut down this poor sap upin Nevada who was making Compin and Compex the external and internal version of his product for the last 40 years..
Over the last 5 years I have seen several companies harrassed , jailed, threatened for offering these type products. Not sure what the driving force is but I can tell you some of the biggest forces are ignorance, obstinance and a mean Napolean complex.
It's amazing that these cosmetic companies can make all kinds of claims about wrinkles and dry skin untouched but companies trying to help ..Making No Guarantees..just saying and posting real peoples results is making "Claims". Certainly somebody claiming they have a cure breaches the law but the sites I'm speaking of didn't.. They made it clear they couldn't..
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FullySilenced
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 22:48:32
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I talked to the people that made Compin, Compex , Animin and Animex, by phone shortly before they ceased operation. They were reccomending product made by the Original Cream Company. The suggested the Indian Mudd for human application and a vet. version of Indian Mudd for the animals. I have used both versions and it is maybe the best salve I have ever used. Please take a look at their website www. altcancercream. com and suprise of all surprises they will actually answer their phone. I am currently using the toothpaste and one of their homepathic salves for my hands.
best wishes, hope this maybe helps someone |
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K Lynn Hall
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 17:42:26
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Stephanie
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Posted - 01/02/2008 : 16:17:15
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| Does anyone know where I can get zinc chloride crystals or liquid to make the cansema recipe? Thanks! |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/03/2008 : 00:07:03
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a quote from this website:
http://www.truthquest2.com/cancersalves.htm
[quote]SOURCES
BLOOD ROOT—sometimes called “Indian Paint” available at some health food stores. update 1-24-2010
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Slightly different ready-made formula: http://www.cancerx.org/purchase_products.htm
(Photos on Escharotic Salve Photo Journal page)
CANCER SALVES
A Botanical Approach to Treatment (by Ingrid Naiman)
update 1-24-2010
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From escharotic salve expert Dan Raber's website: http://www.cancerx.org/scientificial_basis_of_sanginarine_canadendid.htm
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........... ESCHAROTIC SALVES
(Use only enamel or glass pans for making both salves
--no contact with metal)
BLACK SALVE—Mix together:update 1-24-2010
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GWM
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 18:26:27
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| This recipe can be rather painful and aggressive. The best thing for treating open wounds is granulated sugar available at your local grocer. It was successfully used in hospitals several decades ago to treat bed soars. It is sterile and it prevents infection while promoting healing. Much Success. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 06/24/2008 : 02:26:48
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group-
update on the status of the original CANSEMA Hoxsey-type skin cancer salve, mnaufactured by Alpha-Omega Labs.
The industrial-military-pharmacuetical complex had their attack dog, The FDA, raide the Alpha-Omega Labs in 2003, siezed all the products, arrested and jailed the owner, and shut them down. But they still maintain a website portal on the internet. They now are claiming that some cancer salve vendors are now peddling bad salve to the public, under the CANSEMA name, and they are naming names.
Alpha-Omega Labs has now moved to Ecuador, and can not or will not sell their cancer salve in the USA,, at this time.
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http://www.altcancer.com/
Alpha Omega Labs Reopens in Ecuador
We are re-opening Alpha Omega Labs -- and this week (beginning June 2, 2008) will accept orders for the first time since the illegal FDA raid and shutdown on September 17, 2003.
We will not be shipping products into the United States -- a decision that was made partly for legal reasons, update 1-24-2010
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Sha Sha
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 07:48:40
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Just thought this maybe of help and I decided to post a formula that I have used with success.
Sorry guys but I need to put a disclaimer up here to cover my arse.
Disclaimer: Due to the laws that govern some countries I am in no way recommending the use of this for humans. I cannot be held accountable for infomation that I have shared below. These are my experiences that I am sharing and it is at the disgression of the reader to make up their own mind and what they choose to do with this information is their business. But I do recommend it highly for animals. In all cases if you feel it necessary seek the advice of a healthcare professional preferably one who has experience in using these topical salves.
I do not like the sound of the use of the likes of white floor in something, remember what you put on your skin goes in just about all of it especially if there is a carrier used which can break the chemicals down to a molecular size that can be transmitted transdermally. Be selective with what you put on your skin or your animals or in your mouth. ie food.
I am in no way affiliated with the following but I personally feel that the book called Cancer Salves by Ingrid Naiman is a must for anyone serious about treating or compounding something as there are formulas in there and not just on black salves. The book looks at all the history on this stuff and goes indepth about each herb used and it's actions, there is a lot of research and I suggest at a minimum reading it from cover to cover twice if not 10 times before making your own stuff. The book also talkes about things like treating the cancer fast enough and isolating it so that it does not spread quicker than it is being necrosed.
This is a major issue for some expecially when tackling big things. I suggest reading the work by Dr. Perry Nichols and you will see where he was using things a lot stronger than ZnCl so that before the cancer got a chance to multiply it was necrosed/killed, they would then curette the area and also offer plastic surgery. After reading some of the info on this doctor and his methods plastic surgery would be needed that is for sure.
First you need to know the actions of the herb and ingredients you are using and what it will do, how it works and have strong pain medication on hand.
Please never use this on an animal unless you have some pain medication from the vet, make sure the animal doesn't lick the area so a be prepared with a head guard arrangement, vets have them. Also have lots of gauze dressings or bandages on hand and surgical tape for keeping the area covered and clean at all times.
In the case of blood root it is very powerful like many others have said sofar and it's intensity also depends on the purity of the herb, some say the redder deeper colour the better. Blood root once it goes into the system can keep going and seek out cells that are not perfect, others use terms like cancerous cells, I prefer to call them damaged or compromised cells. This is why a blood root paste can be put on a suspect spot and one can get blow outs in another location, I believe through my experiences and research that the blood root travels through the blood or body fluids and can seek out problems. This is why it is imperative that anyone who is treating large areas make sure they have done a cleansing diet or something simular before and they are not eating junk or fast food while doing this, the less refined the foods are the better, no preservatives, food colorings or additives. Salt only use the likes of Keltic Salt not that refined table salt from the supermarkets.
I like to think about this for a second. We can see what is going on with something externally but just what is the body coping with internally when we start using blood root.
One person when treating a spot (50cent size white depigmented ring around a dark mole) on their mid back area 15years ago told me that they had sore ribs at the front of their body and feelings of pain like octupus tentacles radiating from the area right around to the front but no blow outs.
Organs like the kidneys and especially the liver will have more work to do cleaning up stuff, so therefore they will have more workload than normal. This is why a healthy diet is important while undertaking this kind of work and also get these organs working in tip top shape if there is time before starting a black salve regimen. This is why a lot talk about purifying the blood.
One of my friends used the black salve on a spot on her face and she said it hardly hurt, she puts it down to ensuring the body is properly hydrated. Ie make sure you are drinking enough water and have enough liquid mineral intake. This was not my case when I used it on my thigh the pain lasted 5 days and at times the aching was into the bone at a dull annoying rate and throbbed kind of. I did not know this info about body hydration at the time and it's connection to pain and healing time.
Here is a black salve formula that I have used with success
Blood Root 10.64%
Chaparral 5.32%
Galangal Powder 5.32%
ZnCl Powder form BP grade 21.28%
*Purified Water 50%
*Purified Water 7.5% (keep this aside)
*Note about the water: I perfer to use plain rainwater, boiled water or distilled water, not chlorinated or flouridated the less chemicals the better.
Measure all ingredients with jewellers scales or scales that have at least 1gram increments, do not measure anything in volume, use only weight measurements. Volumetric measurements are not accurate enough.
Make sure the herbs are all very finely ground to a powder, use a mask when working with them as blood root dust up the nose is not nice. Chaparral will also cause a resin build up on the grinder so it might be unusable for other things after this so be forewarned. Sift the herbs (make sure you use a mask)then weigh up your powders individually.
Dissolve the ZnCl powder in the largest volume of water, use glass only, including mixing utensiles (plastic if no glass is available), do not allow any of this mix to come in contact with metal at any time) Mix until all is dissolved, in cold climates you may need to warm the water slightly to at least body temperature.
Slowly mix the powder into the water and ZnCl mix and it will be a thick kind of paste. Once it is all mixed in well, slowly add the smaller portion of water until the desired consistency is achieved.
If it's runny then it's going to be a pain to use as it will run on the skin, if too dry then it will crumble. Store in an amber glass jar with preferably a phenolic or plastic lid. ie not metal.
I do not recommend heating this mixture as it can potentially compromise the integrity of the herbs and do not heat it in a microwave.
DMSO can also be added to this formula for a deeper penetration
I have also worked on other formulas where white willow bark has been infused into the water part of the mix to help with the pain testers said it didn't make that much difference. Other formulas I have tried also include golden seal and tumeric added to the above formula. I also looked at using carriers like olive squalane instead of water due to the molecular weight of the oil an it's ability to work transdermally but each time I have come back to the simple formula above. This formula will keep for many years and does not need a preservative, it will go black with time and if it goes dry just add some more distilled water.
At these ratios above the paste works well on suspect items, in some cases there is an immediate reaction, in others it takes 2 days with the application of new paste on morning and night if the problem is deeper or working with scar tissue.
This is where a stronger formulation could be used with a higher level of ZnCl or DMSO but only for very experienced users of the salve. The salve above when mixed at the ratios given will not effect normal skin, it can be put on normal skin for 2-3 days and nothing will happen if there is nothing wrong. This does not mean that the same spot that you think is suspect may not have a reaction in 6 or 12mths time or more.
I personally do not like the use of petroleum jelly or mineral oils on the skin, so therefore I use either nothing if treating something in winter. In summer it is best to put a smear of something like olive oil and beeswax made into a thick ointment form around the area that is being treated to ensure if one sweats then there is no potential of the ZnCl moving outside the treatment area. This is why some have problems with tapes that hold down dressings or blowouts where the dressing tape is applied.
When using this preparation be prepared to go all the way and even when the eschar comes out of it's own accord if the hole is not clean or there are suspect spots still there another application maybe necessary if the problem is deep. There will be some smarting if using the ZnCl bloodroot paste, some use another preparation for this which has a smaller concentration of ZnCl but what to use and when comes with experience. This method of second application is to be used by the experienced only, but if there is a deep seated problem then it is imperative that it is used.
Some also use a weakened down version of this ie more water in the mix and paint it on the body to look for reactions and then take photos and treat a few spots at a time. The more that are treated at once the more pain potential and also the more the body has to cope with.
If you think you may need this info now or in the future, I suggest you print it out. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 07/11/2008 : 00:33:17
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Sha Sha;
Thanks for the info. Very good stuff.
I got Ingrid Naimains book, the 1st edition, and also a later edition.
I became disapointed in Ingrid after she put up her website. She began to talk like the establishment. She became split, and very cagey. A lot of double-talk. She became too worried about the FDA storm troopers busting down her door and absconding with her bank account, just because she was trying to help us cure cancer.
She saw it happen to several other people, and she wasn't willing to go to jail and lose her fortune just for advocating a cancer cure.
If you read the forum on her website, you really can't tell if she is for the hoxsey salve, or indifferent to it, or suspicious of it.
In other words, Ingrid lost her candor, her honesty. She's playing the game now. She's went lukewarm on us.
However, you can find out some good stuff on her website, if you can figure out "where she is coming from" . Ingrid is too worried about law-suits rocking her world to be too honest about the hoxsey salve. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 15:25:53
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Sha Sha:
Please give us the formula for the "full strength" version of your "black salve".
..I prefer to kill the cancer with one application, if possible. So I would prefer to use the FULL STRENGTH VERSION of the black salve; for purposes when removing skin cancers. ... Could you share that formula with us ????
You wrote:
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Here is a black salve formula that I have used with success
Blood Root 10.64%
Chaparral 5.32%
Galangal Powder 5.32%
ZnCl Powder form BP grade 21.28%
*Purified Water 50%
*Purified Water 7.5% (keep this aside)
......... At these ratios above the paste works well on suspect items, in some cases there is an immediate reaction, in others it takes 2 days with the application of new paste on morning and night if the problem is deeper or working with scar tissue.
This is where a stronger formulation could be used with a higher level of ZnCl or DMSO but only for very experienced users of the salve. The salve above when mixed at the ratios given will not effect normal skin, it can be put on normal skin for 2-3 days and nothing will happen if there is nothing wrong. This does not mean that the same spot that you think is suspect may not have a reaction in 6 or 12mths time or more.
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 15:41:20
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Fully Silenced:
You say that you are getting your black salve from altcancercream.com ....... AlphaOmega labs, makers of CANSEMA, list them as making a sub-standard cancer salve, and warns users to not buy from them.
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FullySilenced 2 Posts
Posted - 04/26/2007 : 22:48:32
I talked to the people that made Compin, Compex , Animin and Animex, by phone shortly before they ceased operation. They were reccomending product made by the Original Cream Company. The suggested the Indian Mudd for human application and a vet. version of Indian Mudd for the animals. I have used both versions and it is maybe the best salve I have ever used. Please take a look at their website www. altcancercream. com and suprise of all surprises they will actually answer their phone. I am currently using the toothpaste and one of their homepathic salves for my hands.
best wishes, hope this maybe helps someone
This is what Alpha Omega Labs is now saying about altcancercream.com fake salve:
[quote]Fake Product Compensation Program Announced
The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care community is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields over 9,000 pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four web pages of customer testimonials connected to Cansema®).
There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 1992 and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite letters to various violators to cease and desist in using our web pages, copyrighted material, and trademarks.
Our pleas have been ignored.
The most serious aspect of these violations is that the imitations don't work as well, if they work at all. They are not the original product. For a period of four years, we attempted to work with the FDA to put a stop to the fraud. We even sent them a small sampling of the hundreds of complaint letters we received.
They did nothing.
Because of the adulteration and misbranding involved in the McAdams operation -- whose primary sites are Bloodroot Products.com and RisingSun Health.com -- we can only assume that this is an FDA renegade operation is to permit, foster, and protect illegal product. By working less effectively, they will hopefully convince people that alternatives are inferior to mainstream pharmaceuticals. This would make perfectly good sense and is consistent with their overall modus operandi, as documented in numerous books by Lynne McTaggart, Leonard Horowitz, John Abramson, Joseph Mercola, John Morgenthaler -- to name just a few.
Please see our Compensation for Fake Product page if you have purchased product from the following or any other companies illegally using our trademarks, Cansema®, CanSupport (TM), Alpha Omega Labs (TM), or our domain names: altcancer.com (TM), herbhealers.com (TM), or alphaomegalabs.com (TM).
BloodrootProducts.com
RisingSunProducts.com
AltCancerCream.com
Jennifer Wilson (Australia)
George S. Ackerson
(FDA informant)
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www.altcancer.com/compensation_for_fake_product.htm" target="_blank">http://www.altcancer.com/compensation_for_fake_product.htm
Fake Cansema: Vegetable Oil, Flour, and Spice
On August 24, 2004, I had to report to federal court in Lafayette, Louisiana, for my sentencing hearing. At the hearing I had two witnesses who came to testify on my behalf. (This -- in addition to the hundreds of testimonials we gave to my update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm" target="_blank">http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 15:47:38
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Sha Sha;
I noticed that you are from Australia; you would not happen to be the Jennifer Wilson that AlphaOmega Labs mentions on their website, would you ????
they wrote: http://www.altcancer.com/
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George Sylvester Ackerson After my imprisonment in September, 2003, Ackerson went about the business of setting up imitation Alpha Omega Labs companies with two of our former distributors -- first, in the form of working with Toby McAdams to copy all of our materials; and then working with Jennifer Wilson of Drake, Australia, to copy our company name and all our materials. To this day, Jennifer Wilson produces Cansema with the same name, same material -- even the type style of Cansema (i.e. Cooper Black) is identical.
To help identify the source of the counterfeit materials she is producing with George Ackerson's aid, I post her contact information below:
Jennifer Wilson
C.M.B., Drake NSW
2469 Australia
Phone: + 02 6737 6767 (mobile)
+ 61 4040150 671
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bloodroot1
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Posted - 12/04/2008 : 23:54:42
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Here is the fact about Alpha Omega labs. Mr. Caton is now a fugitive of the law. He put sulphuric acid in the black salve and that is why people have experienced damage to health skin. Mr. Caton also put sulphuric acid in Tonic III and other products. Since Mr Caton or James Carr or what ever name he is using now is a fugitive of the FDA and US Government you may want to have a second thought on ordering. You may have the FDA on your door asking for information and possibly seize your products. If you want other opinions contact Keven Trudeau, Ingreid Naiman or even Dr. Tayler. If you want information from the FDA the agent is John Armond at 985-809-6709 and the US Attorney is 337-262-6618. It is companies like Alpha Omega labs that causes the regulations. We provided products to Alpha Omega labs until he started to alter them and putting poison like sulphuric acid in the products. Our company has complied with the FDA and will continue to do so. I disagree with some of the rules, but with cons like Mr. Caton and Alpha Omega labs things are going to get worse. My advice is to buy from companies that comply with the FDA or you to may recieve a visit from them form acquring products from a figitive of the law. Help us malke alternative health products respectable not a scam that peopel like Mr. Carom and companies like Alpha Omega labs perpetuate.
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Sha Sha
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Posted - 12/12/2008 : 05:42:59
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I haven't checked in on this forum in ages.
Just so you guys know I am not JW as drbeckl2 suspected, 15 years ago I did use Cansema and it came from this person via my Mother and it worked fine as my father was using it on sunspots on his head in his hairline. I have never had anything to do with this lady and I don't know her, only that she was a source for it years and years ago. The formulation of this was brought to my attention by a friend who for money's sake ($95 per tiny little jar extortion rates) due to extensive use of it was forced to find out how to forumlate it etc. This is how I first came across the book cancer salves as well.
I don't know what has happened with the fake stuff, who paid who, who tried to ruin who. Those who did know who they are and karma will sort them out real good it's only a matter of time.
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Originally posted by drbeckl2
Sha Sha;
I noticed that you are from Australia; you would not happen to be the Jennifer Wilson that AlphaOmega Labs mentions on their website, would you ????
To make a stronger formulation I would add DMSO as it is a transdermal and increase the ZnCl but as to the volumes it would take experimentation. At too a higher concentration level the ZnCl I presume (haven't tried it so I don't know) would eat skin which is not what is wanted, the herbs are what is doing the work once through the dermal barrier. This is why with the formulation that I have given it will either react or not react and there will be no damage to skin if there is no problems with it.
I have heard of some pricking the skin for greater effect and putting on the salve but I have not tried this method so I don't have any experience with it. I have also heard of others doing the wash method, but I have no experience with it either. I put up the formula for people to find it, I have no gain by doing so. As time goes on info like this could be sensored to the point of not even a herbal formula for cramps in the legs. Who knows. But if it helps someone then well and good.
I can understand why Ingrid changes views because I also have other views like Cancer is a form of fungus. Cansema is a tool that can be used in combination with others like diet, vitamins, minerals and herbs. I put the formula up for those who can't afford the high prices, or those who need it in bulk. Some will not be happy about this but too bad.
At the end of the day, do your research, know your ingredients and their therapeutic properties, use logic and watch out for the people who try to throw you curve balls as they may have hidden agendas.
Also remember what works on one may not necessarily work on another as good. Why do we all have different DNA? Because we all are different. This is why some medical approved treatments work on some and not on others.
I just re-read all the comments and have pieced this whole thing together.
Oh deary me, with only one post on this forum and Bloodroot1 aka toby mcadam is a trouble maker, as to finding an FDA approved black salve for humans for cancer, that works yeah right, dreaming.
I did a google search on toby and found this http://www.altcancer.com/docs/toby8908.htm
http://www.altcancer.com/docs/toby8908.htm
"I provided further details in a rebuttal to an extortion letter I received from AO Labs' competitor and professional FDA snitch, Toby McAdams."
The product on bloodrootproducts.com states. "In compliance with FDA rules we make no medicinal claims for this product. It has not been tested nor approved by the FDA."
It all looks to me like there has been a lot of infighting, jealousy, money, alterior motives and mudslinging if one can sift through all the BS. Holy crap the bad karma is unreal.
As to where to get hold of ZnCl go to a laboratory supply place or chemical supplier, it will need to be sent with Dangerous Goods as it is highly corrosive. So be prepared for expensive freight.
P.S. some of the ingredients listed on the BRP website are good and have a look at their properties, good ideas for formulating your own stuff. 
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f4fred
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 01:05:16
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which has a tumor underneath his neck and then a small tumor in his throat. The results of the biopsy were squamous-cell- carcinoma. The veterinarian for the oncology department in Fort Collins Colorado has given me the option to put Theo through one Kemo treatment to determine what the effect will be on the growths. It could either cause the cells to generate at a rapid pace, shrink the tumors or have no effect. My dog is in fabulous health but does have arythmia so that surgery is not an option at his age. I hate the thought of loosing him to this disease and I am not ready to put him down if there are options available. Have there been any reported success stories using the salve on animals.
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anivoc
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 09:33:07
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Originally posted by f4fred
which has a tumor underneath his neck and then a small tumor in his throat. The results of the biopsy were squamous-cell- carcinoma. The veterinarian for the oncology department in Fort Collins Colorado has given me the option to put Theo through one Kemo treatment to determine what the effect will be on the growths. It could either cause the cells to generate at a rapid pace, shrink the tumors or have no effect. My dog is in fabulous health but does have arythmia so that surgery is not an option at his age. I hate the thought of loosing him to this disease and I am not ready to put him down if there are options available. Have there been any reported success stories using the salve on animals.
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Fred..
Talk to Dr. Larson. He no longers sells his paste to the public but he may be able to help point you to a vet that will try his xxterra (Bloodroot paste ) on it...Good Luck
Vetline Equine
425 John Deere Rd.
Fort Collins, CO. 80524
Feel free to call us:
8:00am - 5:30pm Monday - Friday (MST)
9:00am - 1:00pm Saturday (MST)
PH 1-800-962-4554
PH 970-484-1900
FAX 970-484-7666
info@vetlineequine.com
vetlineequine.com
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Patsy1960
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Posted - 01/26/2009 : 18:19:37
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Originally posted by GWM
This recipe can be rather painful and aggressive. The best thing for treating open wounds is granulated sugar available at your local grocer. It was successfully used in hospitals several decades ago to treat bed soars. It is sterile and it prevents infection while promoting healing. Much Success.
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 18:58:04
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Sha Sha;
Thanks for replying to my questions.
I just had to ask them. [two of them]
As to the stronger cancer salve recipe question;
...... I am beginning to get the impression from reading some posts, that some people are somehow using some versions of the hoxsey/black salve/cansema/bloodroot salve by applying it several times to the cancer, like a weak cream or something. I don't understand why this would be desirable. It seems it would be a step backward from the one-application type salve.
like this post, for example:
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Muse USA 8 Posts
Posted - 01/24/2009 : 22:47:15
Hi Ridge,
I am currently using the diluted c-herb cream, and it is taking longer than the full strength I would assume, from what they say at the site. That said, it is noticeably disappearing. I planned to post after seeing a complete success.
thanks for your reply; .......
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I have another question for you: are you seeing a great increase in the skin cancer rates in Australia/New Zealand .....especially after the USA ARMY has used nuclear bombs on Iraq, since about 2003, or so ?
.... I am under the impression that the high atmospheric winds from the mid-east will blow nuclear dust to Australia 1st. ... altho i am not sure of that factoid. ... If so; there should occur a epidemic of new skin cancers, and internal cancers, when the nuclear dust gets to there.
The amount of nuclear fallout from the Iraq bombs are supposed to be equal to several hundred, or several thousand, hiroshima grade bombs.
later ......
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jwolf
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 08:43:39
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| Can you provide information on the effects of taking Compin too long? My father was diagnosed with stage IV kidney cancer 14 months ago. His tumor was the size of a small basketball. After four months he started passing dark liquid which we believe to be his tumor. He has passed blood, clots and dark liquid off and on for months. He is passing blood more often now and thinks the compin is attacking his healthly cells. He has stopped using it for now but I'm curious as to what it's effects are on healthly cells and what we should expect? Any information you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks |
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k.nic
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Posted - 08/29/2009 : 23:13:16
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quote:
Originally posted by anivoc
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Originally posted by f4fred
which has a tumor underneath his neck and then a small tumor in his throat. The results of the biopsy were squamous-cell- carcinoma. The veterinarian for the oncology department in Fort Collins Colorado has given me the option to put Theo through one Kemo treatment to determine what the effect will be on the growths. It could either cause the cells to generate at a rapid pace, shrink the tumors or have no effect. My dog is in fabulous health but does have arythmia so that surgery is not an option at his age. I hate the thought of loosing him to this disease and I am not ready to put him down if there are options available. Have there been any reported success stories using the salve on animals.
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fred
Fred..
Talk to Dr. Larson. He no longers sells his paste to the public but he may be able to help point you to a vet that will try his xxterra (Bloodroot paste ) on it...Good Luck
Vetline Equine
425 John Deere Rd.
Fort Collins, CO. 80524
Feel free to call us:
8:00am - 5:30pm Monday - Friday (MST)
9:00am - 1:00pm Saturday (MST)
PH 1-800-962-4554
PH 970-484-1900
FAX 970-484-7666
info@vetlineequine.com
vetlineequine.com
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k.nic
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Posted - 08/29/2009 : 23:25:08
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Fred,
We have successfully used a Bloodroot paste on my daughter's horse. He had a squamous carcinoma cancer on his penis which was 3cm x 2cm in size before we started treatment. It is now gone completely. The vet who examined the horse said it would have to be destroyed in 6 to 12 months time depending on how rapid the cancer growth was. If you want more information, feel free to email me.
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michleblanc
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 10:35:30
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Koren
I was reading on the boards about you using a bloodroot paste on your daughter's horse. I have a horse that I am trying to remove a tumour on her neck...I have heard that bloodroot salves/pastes work well and was hoping that since you have had success you wouldn't mind sharing what you used, the recipe or brand? My mare and I would appreciate your help.
Thanks
I tried sending you an email directly but wouldn't go through....I will try again later
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2010 : 18:11:47
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Hi Michelle
Call Larson Labs below..they can get you the paste via your local vet.
Vetline Equine
425 John Deere Rd.
Fort Collins, CO. 80524
Feel free to call us:
8:00am - 5:30pm Monday - Friday (MST)
9:00am - 1:00pm Saturday (MST)
PH 1-800-962-4554
PH 970-484-1900
FAX 970-484-7666
info@vetlineequine.com
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abby
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 05:08:27
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Kelly E. Raber and Gloria D. Raber
1780 Cannonville Road
Abbeville, Georgia 31001
Bloodroot available
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fdapoisonforprofit
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Posted - 05/23/2010 : 21:03:09
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| If there were only 1 person in the world I had the chance to meet it would be Greg Caton. He has brought about much awareness to me and I'm sure thousands others. Kathryn is surely a lucky woman to have a husband who has the courage to stand up for what is only the truth. |
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Dan A
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 11:26:30
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I bought Cansema from Alpha Omega, applied on April 12, the lesion came out on May 3rd.
This was a biopsied basal cell on my upper right back. There was pain for about a week but manageable. If you're going to use it I would reccomend Alpha Omega. |
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Harriett
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 16:16:23
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Originally posted by abby
Kelly E. Raber and Gloria D. Raber
1780 Cannonville Road
Abbeville, Georgia 31001
Bloodroot available
The TumorX and BioAnue products focus on a natural approaches to diseases including cancer. These products focus on repairing the body as one uses natural means to get rid of the disease. The products really work!
Kelly Raber is a very intelligent person, a member of PCAM, and holds a doctorate in biochemistry. I don’t know who “Abby” is, but she obviously does not know Mr. Raber. (I suspect she is Joseph & Patricia Marion of Rochelle, GA who have been attacking this local family as well as Wilcox county officials.) |
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opalxx
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Posted - 10/12/2010 : 19:35:51
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Originally posted by Dan A
I bought Cansema from Alpha Omega, applied on April 12, the lesion came out on May 3rd.
This was a biopsied basal cell on my upper right back. There was pain for about a week but manageable. If you're going to use it I would reccomend Alpha Omega.
Hi from Queensland Australia. I live in the sub-tropics about 2 hours north of Brisbane. We in Queensland have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world. Not sure why but the sun is very burning here and feels like a lack of ozine to moderate it?
Anyway, I'm glad i stumbled upon this forum before i do something stupid after buying some dried bloodroot powder on ebay. I have a large basal cell carcinoma on my lower cheek near the jaw bone about the size of your thumbnail. Being the slack bum i am it is now about 3 years old and its time to bite the bullet and get rid of it. I am willing to try anything except very invasive and probably disfiguring surgery with skin grafts following.
I started looking at cansema but got very confused with all of the articles on fake products and legal issues which seemed to overpower the product. I think cansema salve (or the copy?) can be obtained here in Oz through the back door. In fact i got info on Janet Wilson from a colleague who used her product very successfully on a carcinoma on her arm. There is a little scar however but not a big deal.
I have also been trying tea tree oil as there are animal trials done at a West Australian Uni with great success on basal cells etc. Now, i think after 4 weeks of tea tree applications the carcinoma seems to be a little flatter, but that is about it. I think the problem may be in finding something to take the tea tree oil down the the base of the epidermis where the roots are as i think it is not penetrating.
Cansema and all of its bloodroot counterparts seem very extreme and dangerous and i like a poster in this forum i was going to try it in different stages of dilution as after all it is on my face and i don't want a gaping hole. Besides, i am also a veryy cautious person. So, my thoughts have been to mix a little of the powder with neem seed oil (which does nothing on its own on my basal cell), or try to find a deep penetrating carrier oil to take down the tea try.
I have emailed the Uni a couple of times for advice but with no response which i find pretty slack.
Researchers have found and animal trialled with great success an extract from an Australian indigenous herb from north queensland to cure cancerous tumours. The extract is injected into the tumour which falls out quickly. Google the blurb on ebc46. The prob is that human trials don't start until 2012.
Now, mixing bloodroot with zinc chloride. Is zinc chloride similar to the old zinc sunburn cream we used to whack on our faces?
If any of you guys and girls have any updated info and advice please post or email me. Keep well. |
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annieh
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Posted - 10/17/2010 : 21:18:01
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[quote]Originally posted by opalxx
>I have a large basal cell carcinoma on my lower cheek near the jaw bone about the size of your thumbnail ...
Has it been biopsied and officially declared to be a bcc? |
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opalxx
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Posted - 10/18/2010 : 16:50:15
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Originally posted by annieh
[quote]Originally posted by opalxx
>I have a large basal cell carcinoma on my lower cheek near the jaw bone about the size of your thumbnail ...
Has it been biopsied and officially declared to be a bcc?
Not biopsied but examined by doc. Surgery was suggested for removal with skin grafts to hide scar as area for removal would be large...hence my search for a natural bcc killer. Been looking at cansema etc but i have just received some bloodroot powder (i hope it is the real thing) so will experiment with that. I understand bloodroot is a main ingredient in cansema. I do know 2 people who have had great success with cansema. Being a slackbum i am not going to try any complex recipes but will see how i go mixing small quantities of the bloodroot into a paste with different oils and applying. Have you looked at ebc46? If not google it. |
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anivoc
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