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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2014 :  16:14:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi howardz43,
sorry I don't agree with you at all. My cancer was not worse than i realised, and i suffered through the pain without stopping until a large hole was seared into my face and then new skin grew. It was biopsied and diagnosed, and then biopsied again, by Drs. I followed ALL the curaderm instructions, and i even thought i was cured if you go back and read my posts.
My post it to warn people about Curaderm not being successful as claimed. You are saying that your cancer came back after MOHS? Well that is terribly unlucky because it has a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN rate of cure at 97% here in Australia , so wow how unlucky were you?
What is the success rate of Curaderm for BCC apart from (unacceptable to the science community) published anecdotal evidence from a DR who fled the country, and a book he wrote about eggplants curing cancer? Zero, and a hell of a lot of unhappy (and sore!) people. I know curaderm does eat into the cancer, but that is exactly what Saliyclic Acid should do if you put it on your skin.
I totally get that other hack and hope surgeries are not highly successful, because you never know if you got it all out, but with MOHS they don't stop until they have have ZERO cancer cells showing up in the treated area under a microscope? Who can argue with that?
I have nothing to gain from being honest on this forum, and those supporting this non approved, kind of works cream, have a lot to gain.

howardz43 perhaps this cream can work on Keratosis and can regress cancer, but it is terribly wrong for the makers of this cream to espouse an 80 to 100% success rate on BCCs. It is called illegal advertising in my country and hence why Dr Cham does not reside here or sell it legally. It was taken off the PBS for a reason. A real loving humanitarian (as they make him out to be) would stop selling it until they got the formula right, and obtained the medical results required by law, to make it a real, safe and legal option in the use of BCC cancer cure.
Enough said on this now, i am moving on from this BCC chapter of my life. Best wishes to all who have skin cancer, may you find your treatment and l pray you all make decision based on truth and what is real. When you are sick you are very vulnerable to wanting to believe there is a magic cure.
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lllinda

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2014 :  16:33:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like to mention that my experience with Curaderm and the squamous cell carcinoma ended in near disaster. If you want to read about my sad Curaderm story, just go a few pages back. I am still recovering from the serious surgery I had back in April and I am left with a disfiguring scar and lymphedema in my leg. All this to say that sometimes Curaderm works, sometimes it doesn't. I cntinued to use it long after I should have stopped. 6 months! We are told by the Curaderm company that it will hurt and that it will eat through the cancer and to kee persevering until new skin grows back. It's not worth the risk! My skin cancer could have cost me my life and I regret ever using Curaderm. The squamous cell carcinoma could have been easily removed in the dermatologists office before I used Curaderm. The surgical wound I was left with was 5 x 4 inches and down to the muscle and I have had to "learn" how to walk all over again. Be very careful when using Curaderm!
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evoc

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  07:15:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sorry I don't agree with you at all. My cancer was not worse than i realised, and i suffered through the pain without stopping until a large hole was seared into my face and then new skin grew. It was biopsied and diagnosed, and then biopsied again, by Drs. I followed ALL the curaderm instructions, and i even thought i was cured if you go back and read my posts.
My post it to warn people about Curaderm not being successful as claimed. You are saying that your cancer came back after MOHS? Well that is terribly unlucky because it has a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN rate of cure at 97% here in Australia , so wow how unlucky were you?
What is the success rate of Curaderm for BCC apart from (unacceptable to the science community) published anecdotal evidence from a DR who fled the country, and a book he wrote about eggplants curing cancer? Zero, and a hell of a lot of unhappy (and sore!) people. I know curaderm does eat into the cancer, but that is exactly what Saliyclic Acid should do if you put it on your skin.
I totally get that other hack and hope surgeries are not highly successful, because you never know if you got it all out, but with MOHS they don't stop until they have have ZERO cancer cells showing up in the treated area under a microscope? Who can argue with that?
I have nothing to gain from being honest on this forum, and those supporting this non approved, kind of works cream, have a lot to gain.

howardz43 perhaps this cream can work on Keratosis and can regress cancer, but it is terribly wrong for the makers of this cream to espouse an 80 to 100% success rate on BCCs. It is called illegal advertising in my country and hence why Dr Cham does not reside here or sell it legally. It was taken off the PBS for a reason. A real loving humanitarian (as they make him out to be) would stop selling it until they got the formula right, and obtained the medical results required by law, to make it a real, safe and legal option in the use of BCC cancer cure.
Enough said on this now, i am moving on from this BCC chapter of my life. Best wishes to all who have skin cancer, may you find your treatment and l pray you all make decision based on truth and what is real. When you are sick you are very vulnerable to wanting to believe there is a magic cure.


mandyyy,
You may be off this site and not see my reply, but I wanted to say how proud I am of your speaking out. I suspect many others are having strongly negative effects from Curaderm and are shy about posting that on this forum, with so many love stories about Curaderm. My experience was more than I posted and I came to realize this product may be the very snake oil we all loathe and try to avoid.
The product may work in theory, possibly in limited practice, but it causes far more harm that 'cure' from what I have experienced directly.

Someone on this forum wrote a while back that Curaderm is safe to use in one's mouth, on the lip.
I emailed Curaderm and asked it this were true.
I received a reply a week later from a person, not a doctor by name, and they simply said 'NO.' the product is not to be used on lips or in mouth. I already knew that from reading the website Curaderm has up.
The person also said 'I wish people would stop reading those forums.'
Up to that point Curaderm had many forum links extolling it's super powers. When I received my email I found they had all been taken down. At least I was unable to find any.
So it is refreshing to read the truth right here.
Thank you and God bless and keep you. Stay well.

Edited by - evoc on 07/22/2014 07:17:00
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lllinda

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  07:25:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I totally agree with you, evoc! I think you probably read my story on the previous page. One of the surgeons who treated me said that I should sue Curaderm, but I don't think that is possible.
Curaderm seems to work for some, but I wonder how many others, like me who's life has been drastically affected by using Curaderm.
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evoc

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  08:55:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lllinda

I would like to mention that my experience with Curaderm and the squamous cell carcinoma ended in near disaster. If you want to read about my sad Curaderm story, just go a few pages back. I am still recovering from the serious surgery I had back in April and I am left with a disfiguring scar and lymphedema in my leg. All this to say that sometimes Curaderm works, sometimes it doesn't. I cntinued to use it long after I should have stopped. 6 months! We are told by the Curaderm company that it will hurt and that it will eat through the cancer and to kee persevering until new skin grows back. It's not worth the risk! My skin cancer could have cost me my life and I regret ever using Curaderm. The squamous cell carcinoma could have been easily removed in the dermatologists office before I used Curaderm. The surgical wound I was left with was 5 x 4 inches and down to the muscle and I have had to "learn" how to walk all over again. Be very careful when using Curaderm!


lllinda,
I have followed your experience along and am truly relieved you came through it as well as you did.
You have provided a marvelous public service to the world by posting your story as it happened.
How sad for all of us that we as thinking people learned of this product and believed in it's potential effectiveness enough to give it a try.
However once we begin using it we are already at the point of no return.
I used it a second time two months after the first use. The first time things did seem to heal per Curaderm's claims, but left scaring despite Curaderm's assurance that it will not scar and will not damage healthy skin. Hogwash.

I used Curaderm again a second time to see that none of the areas treated would heal after four months, and caused secondary small lumps and bumps across my body.
The first time I used it things healed within one month, and others a month and half, lastly one took two months. But the second time I wondered if the formulation had changed.

I think everyone should be careful with Curaderm and absolutely do not use it without a doctor's involvement, if one can find a physician who will agree to work with the product.
Play it safe and don't use it at all.

lllinda, your story is dramatic enough to be an eye opener for anyone.
My prayers are still with you, thank you for posting your events here for others to learn and make wise choices.

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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  10:33:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not sure why anyone would use Curaderm instead of the Amazon Topical Black Salve. WHY? Because Curaderm is not as strong as Amazon, and it needs to be applied twice a day for an extended period of time. This leaves the door open for people to misuse it... using it for too long a period.

Amazon is only applied TWICE. That is it. You apply it once and leave on for 24 hours to see if the lesion is actually cancer. If it is, it should appear "white" in some areas, or around the edges. This is a sign that the Salve is starting to work. If there is no white, or change to the tissue, then it is not cancer.

So if it is white... you then wash off the remaining Salve and apply a second (generous) treatment. This you then bandage well and leave on for two weeks. You can change the bandage, but don't add more Salve, or remove the salve that is there. Because mine was in the middle of my back, I used cotton gauze bandaging, then put a water resistant bandage over that to protect when showering.

After two weeks you then remove the bandage and the salve, along with the cancerous tissue, will simply fall off, leaving a nice "wound" with clean pink edges. This will heal up nicely in a couple of days and after a year, you will have little to no scar (really though, who cares about a scar compared to cancer?).

You have to order the Amazon Topical Black Salve from Alpha Omega Labs in Equador, but one $26 jar (that includes shipping), is enough to treat 2-3 areas. Don't treat at same time though... too painful. And be sure to have painkillers cause it does hurt like the dickens for 2-3 days.

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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 07/25/2014 :  06:32:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for sharing Suezeq - I guess my answer would be because I'm treating an area on my face. Several have said black salve is cuastic to healthy tissue also, and can get out of control. Would you use this on your face? The jury is still out for me, whether or not Curaderm removed all the BCC on my face after the better part of 9 months. I had no idea it would take so long - if it did the job, it was worth wearing a bandage. And, there was no pain.

quote:
Originally posted by SueZeQ

I'm not sure why anyone would use Curaderm instead of the Amazon Topical Black Salve. WHY? Because Curaderm is not as strong as Amazon, and it needs to be applied twice a day for an extended period of time. This leaves the door open for people to misuse it... using it for too long a period.

Amazon is only applied TWICE. That is it. You apply it once and leave on for 24 hours to see if the lesion is actually cancer. If it is, it should appear "white" in some areas, or around the edges. This is a sign that the Salve is starting to work. If there is no white, or change to the tissue, then it is not cancer.

So if it is white... you then wash off the remaining Salve and apply a second (generous) treatment. This you then bandage well and leave on for two weeks. You can change the bandage, but don't add more Salve, or remove the salve that is there. Because mine was in the middle of my back, I used cotton gauze bandaging, then put a water resistant bandage over that to protect when showering.

After two weeks you then remove the bandage and the salve, along with the cancerous tissue, will simply fall off, leaving a nice "wound" with clean pink edges. This will heal up nicely in a couple of days and after a year, you will have little to no scar (really though, who cares about a scar compared to cancer?).

You have to order the Amazon Topical Black Salve from Alpha Omega Labs in Equador, but one $26 jar (that includes shipping), is enough to treat 2-3 areas. Don't treat at same time though... too painful. And be sure to have painkillers cause it does hurt like the dickens for 2-3 days.



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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2014 :  16:40:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks lllinda and Evoc for replying :) You are 2 of the few real people (non marketers of these products) replying. Appreciate your honesty.
As for the black salve marketing jump ins...(prime opportunity when we are boo hooing curaderm), well now we are going from the sublime to the ridiculous in terms of safety risk huh!? :D. I watched someone I know (who swore by the stuff) end up in hospital with a hole in his head that needed surgery and antibiotics for infection. A surgeon ended up fixing the mess he could of easily removed in the first place. http://www.smh.com.au/national/skin-cancer-warning-over-bogus-black-salve-treatment-20140410-36epv.html
same story about it doing something (eating away the cancer) but not getting all of it.. so you keep going... and then oops someone call the Dr.

Take care, and i am glad to hear you are doing ok now lllinda :) It was not for nothing ~ many thousands will read this forum and will choose NOT buy curaderm thanks to you :)


quote:
Originally posted by evoc

quote:
Originally posted by lllinda

I would like to mention that my experience with Curaderm and the squamous cell carcinoma ended in near disaster. If you want to read about my sad Curaderm story, just go a few pages back. I am still recovering from the serious surgery I had back in April and I am left with a disfiguring scar and lymphedema in my leg. All this to say that sometimes Curaderm works, sometimes it doesn't. I cntinued to use it long after I should have stopped. 6 months! We are told by the Curaderm company that it will hurt and that it will eat through the cancer and to kee persevering until new skin grows back. It's not worth the risk! My skin cancer could have cost me my life and I regret ever using Curaderm. The squamous cell carcinoma could have been easily removed in the dermatologists office before I used Curaderm. The surgical wound I was left with was 5 x 4 inches and down to the muscle and I have had to "learn" how to walk all over again. Be very careful when using Curaderm!


lllinda,
I have followed your experience along and am truly relieved you came through it as well as you did.
You have provided a marvelous public service to the world by posting your story as it happened.
How sad for all of us that we as thinking people learned of this product and believed in it's potential effectiveness enough to give it a try.
However once we begin using it we are already at the point of no return.
I used it a second time two months after the first use. The first time things did seem to heal per Curaderm's claims, but left scaring despite Curaderm's assurance that it will not scar and will not damage healthy skin. Hogwash.

I used Curaderm again a second time to see that none of the areas treated would heal after four months, and caused secondary small lumps and bumps across my body.
The first time I used it things healed within one month, and others a month and half, lastly one took two months. But the second time I wondered if the formulation had changed.

I think everyone should be careful with Curaderm and absolutely do not use it without a doctor's involvement, if one can find a physician who will agree to work with the product.
Play it safe and don't use it at all.

lllinda, your story is dramatic enough to be an eye opener for anyone.
My prayers are still with you, thank you for posting your events here for others to learn and make wise choices.



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evoc

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2014 :  06:27:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by mandyyy

Thanks lllinda and Evoc for replying :) You are 2 of the few real people (non marketers of these products) replying. Appreciate your honesty.
As for the black salve marketing jump ins...(prime opportunity when we are boo hooing curaderm), well now we are going from the sublime to the ridiculous in terms of safety risk huh!? :D. I watched someone I know (who swore by the stuff) end up in hospital with a hole in his head that needed surgery and antibiotics for infection. A surgeon ended up fixing the mess he could of easily removed in the first place. http://www.smh.com.au/national/skin-cancer-warning-over-bogus-black-salve-treatment-20140410-36epv.html
same story about it doing something (eating away the cancer) but not getting all of it.. so you keep going... and then oops someone call the Dr.

Take care, and i am glad to hear you are doing ok now lllinda :) It was not for nothing ~ many thousands will read this forum and will choose NOT buy curaderm thanks to you :)

_____________________________________________________________________________________

mandyyy, it is good to read your reply about the black salve, and also good to read the reminder that many others will read this forum, sparing themselves the disappointing and dangerous experience of Curaderm and now black salve. The hundreds of dollars spent on Curaderm is better spent on a skilled physician.

Edited by - evoc on 07/28/2014 06:29:50
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 07/29/2014 :  07:51:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did want to add this. I think that testimonies of Curaderm are highly encouraged immediately upon stopping treatment - and posted. Rather than waiting a period of time to see if the cancer is truly gone.

I noticed, both times I completed Curaderm, I was offered immediately a free bottle of essential oil (to help the scar heal) for my testimony. Both times I said I would send it after 6 months or so. I think, of course, only the positive testimonies are published on the sales sights. It does appear effective for many.

At one point (20+ weeks into treatment), I asked if Curaderm ever 'didn't' work. I was told that in some cases people were allergic to the ingredients and their skin would become inflamed, preventing them from using it to treat cancer.

In my case, it looked great both times after treatment. The first time I could tell within 2 weeks that the cancer was still there. This time, after an extended treatment, I'm not convinced it 'isn't' there (and don't want a biopsy again), so I am treating it with iodine for a few weeks before leaving it alone to see what happens.

I'm open to the idea of just kind of holding it back (treating occasionally) instead of facing the horrible surgery that was proposed with skin grafts, etc. After all - this is a pretty tiny spot that nobody can even notice unless I point it out. If it truly is benign, and not deadly, and stays put....I'm not sure surgery is truly necessary.

Perhaps those of you with longer experience with basal cell (infiltrative) can offer an opinion. Thanks all.

Edited by - gibsontown on 07/29/2014 07:52:53
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Nanoagain

35 Posts

Posted - 07/29/2014 :  09:48:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Gibsontown, while I don't think surgery is a good idea (after having undergone Moh's for BCC), I do think you need to do something as long as there are red marks, growths or a crawling feeling under the skin.

My theory is that the cancer is a viral infection and that it colonizes. We don't see the cancer until it is quite large and probably well established with other colonies ready to take over if something happens to the primary lesion. Thus treatment needs to be over the whole face (at least) and constant until the skin is healthy again. I have had pretty good luck with baking soda paste to remove growths as well as a whole face mask.

Surgery, black salve, vit c--these are all essentially the same thing using different tools--they remove the growth but not the reason for the growth. When we discover that we will cure the cancer and it won't come back.

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kddoty

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2014 :  06:57:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 2012, I successfully treated a spot on my arm with Curaderm but it was not biopsied first. After that, I read that you should have a biopsy to determine the type of cancer before treating with Curaderm, so I had 2 spots (one on my chest and one on my shin) biopsied that turned out to be SCC.

I started using Curaderm on the spots Apr 17, 2014, applying it at least twice per day, usually more because I wanted to speed up the process. It is now almost 4 months later and the spots are still there, unhealed. I've been using this way too long with no results so I've decided to stop using Curaderm. See attached pics. Very disappointing as I had high hopes. I would not recommend using Curaderm.
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2014 :  08:47:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gibsontown... Just to be clear... I am NOT any kind of marketer for black salve (as someone else alluded to)... and I did extensive research online before I tried it myself. Here is what I found...

"Amazon Topical Black salve," when used PROPERLY, does not seem to hurt healthy tissue at all. I found NO credible incidences, either in testimony or in news stories, where it did. You'll notice the link above to some idiot that ate a hole in his head because he used the treatment for SIX months on the same spot. SMH. Other stories of bad outcomes also included people that used more than one treatment at the same time, that were advised to stop but didn't, etc. There is no accounting for stupidity or compulsive behavior. Perhaps I did miss some or there are some that might have a bad reaction on their own... people can have weird body chemistry. But I didn't find any in days and days of research that I did. Worse incidences were times when it didn't get all the cancer, or where it left bad scarring.

Perhaps some of these people (like the idiot with the hole in his head) were just confused because Curaderm is the weak treatment and Cansema is what the Amazon Salve USED to be called. I could see people confusing the two names and using the Black Salve but with the directions for Curaderm. Perhaps the name "Amazon" also confused some who saw they could buy Curaderm on the Amazon web site? Who knows?

Amazon Topical Black salve is very similar, but probably not identical, to the formula used by Fredrick Mohs in the invention of his MOHS surgery. See, originally what Mohs did, was use the salve to identify tissue as cancer or not, then he would use a scalpel to cut away the cancerous tissue, then reapply the salve to see if any remaining tissue showed as cancer. Remember, if it's cancerous it turns white (because it's dying), where healthy tissue just gets red and irritated. Isn't it ironic that Doctors consider Mohs surgery one of the "gold standards" - even though they don't use the exact same method he did at all... and also disparage the salve he DID use successfully. Others Doctors have used similar methods... see below.

If you want to check out each individual ingredient in the Salve... the maker has posted the recipe for it online so you can make your own from scratch. Check each botanical and you will find that different research groups have done studies on their effectiveness against cancer... though with most things, results vary.

If I were going with a DIY treatment... The reason I would use the Amazon Topical Black Salve, rather than other treatments, is because other treatments require that the person reapply. This CAN lead a person to OVERtreatment of an area that perhaps should not have been treated at all. Additionally, these other methods don't seem to be as effective anyway.

Amazon Salve is more "clear cut" in how it works... or doesn't. You have a 24 hour "test" period where you can make your own determination whether you should continue and, if you don't, that short amount of time could not, in my opinion, do any extensive damage... it just doesn't work that fast and you would wash remaining residue off.

With the Amazon Salve, when you use it RIGHT... you are only applying it ONCE for 24 hours to see what kind of reaction your skin has. If you are not sure... don't continue using it (see a Doctor if you are still concerned). If, however, you see that the tissue clearly has white edges, then you reapply and leave on for two weeks... withOUT adding any more. Just keep it covered with a bandage. If you follow the steps properly... you don't have the opportunity to "over-treat." I might add that if you have severe pain for more than the first 3-4 days, that you might consider stopping... as that could indicate that your cancer is much deeper than you suspect. In that case I'd probably stop if I still had severe pain on day 5. If your cancer is just surface skin cancer, the pain won't be bad for more than 2-3 days, though you may have occationally twinges or discomfort.

Keep in mind... this is ONLY what I would do... I'm NOT telling anyone else what they should feel comfortable with because we all have to make OUR OWN health care decisions.

But do more research. It CAN be confusing because there are paid "sockpuppets" who will promote something because they make money from it. There are also those that are cheerleaders for the surgery method because they either feel most comfortable with it, or because they too, are paid from that same medical model. There are though... thousands of testimonials from people who used DIY treatment effectively... and only a handful that medical community points to with bad outcomes. I did the math and took a gamble.

Additionally, if you are doing a DIY treatment you have to know there is a risk that the Salve doe NOT get all the cancer. There can be some cells that are deep, and that regrow and spread down the road. This though can also be true with traditional treatments as well. Just take it for what it's worth... here is more "warnings" as to that aspect...
http://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(05)01432-5/fulltext

If someone is hesitant to use a DIY treatment and they have the money to throw a few thousand at a Doctor... they should do so. I only did the hours and hours of research I did because I was uninsured and didn't have the money so was motivated. However after seeing how well the $26 jar of salve worked on the first SC, I used it on two other spots as well (one at a time). It worked equally well on those so I saved about $2970. to $8000. which is what the surgery method (x3) would have run me. This was a few years ago, and so far, I've had no recurring problems in those area.

more from this forum... if you haven't see this yet...
http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1095

more interesting info:
http://www.whale.to/a/nichol6.html
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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2014 :  09:18:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gibsontown

In regards to Black salve being caustic to healthy skin...

If it was only so easy to answer...
First off there isn't just one Black salve...literally 100's of brands out there with equally 100's of ratios of ingredients...that alone makes it impossible to say carte blanc that all black salve paste are or are not caustic to healthy skin.

Black salve is a term broadly and loosely used for Bloodroot paste and many other types of paste.. There are paste with no bloodroot, there are paste with no zinc Chloride...the type of black salve paste that I know has an incredible reaction to skin cancers and was what was used by Doctor Mohs originally as a chemosurgical tool had bloodroot paste and Zinc Chloride and was refereed to as a Zinc Chloride paste..
This all said...different people react differently to this type of paste..

I used a brand that is sold the the veterinary field for horse sarcomas and I know it was legit..(They no longer sell it to the public) There are several tried and true brands that people here can vouch for.

Before I ever used the paste I personally tracked down several people who had used it and corresponded over the net or by phone..these were all people who were not selling the product, they had just used it.
When I finally did buy some, before I used it on my skin cancer I applied it to my inner thigh where there was no sun damage and left it there for 24 hours... maybe a little pink but absolutely no reaction or "burning" of the skin..

I then applied it to my skin cancer lesion...WHOA! immediate reaction immediate effect and a whole lot of swelling and pain.

I did one on my nose...I was shocked to see how big of an area was effected from this tiny little spot...fortunately for me it was not as severe as poor Hoxsey's and I did not lose my nose..I healed awesomely well.

That said I suspect that bloodroot paste will cause a reaction anywhere there are diseased / damaged skin cells....thus it will attack keratosis as well as Basal cell or squamous...that could get ugly.

I am currently experimenting with a watered down version..I dilute it with regular vinegar and apply it ...burns like crazy and is shrinking my lesions but I am not getting the WHAM BAM YEOUCH effect of pure paste..in other words I am daily hitting it and slowly burning it away rather than a one shot try and kill it all ..The pro to this is I am not having to deal with the ill effects , the swelling and the ongoing pain, the trade off is I have to do this each day and for a good 20 to 30 minutes it burns like the dickens..then it subsides..till the next day...I dread each day ..I do it right after I take my shower.. I know I am shrinking it and I am in control of how far and deep it goes...but this is experimental and until I know for sure that I won the battle it is a big unknown if this is just an exercise in futility.

Hoping for the best... I am 60 and been dealing with skin cancers since my early 30's...now it looks like my 31 year old daughter is in for the same journey..Unlike myself growing up in "Sunny" California we were diligent about making sure she did not get sun burned yet here she is at 31 already having to have a BCC removed... I think genetics play a big role in this.

I came here several years ago seeking a softer more gentle way than Zinc Chloride paste but as of yet, other than petty spurge, it is really the most effective do it yourself approach I have found.

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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2014 :  12:09:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the replies. I want to be sure to share my experience with Curaderm, as it was presented far more optimistically than I am beginning to think is true for everyone. I did speak with a few people it worked great for. For me, it was painless, definitely a process that was doing something - but the end result seems to be that it will not eradicate all the cancer deep down. I was told I was healed by the manufacturer (dr. Cham is said to review the photos himself, I suspect others may as well) twice. I did report back that a lesion developed, and they asked me to get a biopsy to see. Obviously, I don't need another biopsy to tell me what I can view. I'm trying to get up the nerve to schedule MOHs.

The photos of Cansema and Amazon black salve on google scared me away from experimenting on my face - I'm not sure it would heal properly. I work in an office otherwise I'd be tempted as I could hide away during treatment!

I tried to find a naturalpath who would oversee treatment but haven't.
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gibsontown

USA
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Posted - 08/12/2014 :  15:35:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much for this information SueZeQ.

I do know my cancer is infiltrative, and deep. Would that be a good reason to rule out black salve?

I did find a Naturalpath who agreed to treat me systemically and wait/watch the spot to see if we can clear it that way.

Has anyone had success with skin cancer (or heard of it) by approaching it that way?

Anything to avoid surgery. I finally got the nerve to call a surgeon I knew could do sedation (though not if he would agree to on my situation,) and he has retired. Back to square 1.


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Originally posted by SueZeQ

Gibsontown... Just to be clear... I am NOT any kind of marketer for black salve (as someone else alluded to)... and I did extensive research online before I tried it myself. Here is what I found...

"Amazon Topical Black salve," when used PROPERLY, does not seem to hurt healthy tissue at all. I found NO credible incidences, either in testimony or in news stories, where it did. You'll notice the link above to some idiot that ate a hole in his head because he used the treatment for SIX months on the same spot. SMH. Other stories of bad outcomes also included people that used more than one treatment at the same time, that were advised to stop but didn't, etc. There is no accounting for stupidity or compulsive behavior. Perhaps I did miss some or there are some that might have a bad reaction on their own... people can have weird body chemistry. But I didn't find any in days and days of research that I did. Worse incidences were times when it didn't get all the cancer, or where it left bad scarring.

Perhaps some of these people (like the idiot with the hole in his head) were just confused because Curaderm is the weak treatment and Cansema is what the Amazon Salve USED to be called. I could see people confusing the two names and using the Black Salve but with the directions for Curaderm. Perhaps the name "Amazon" also confused some who saw they could buy Curaderm on the Amazon web site? Who knows?

Amazon Topical Black salve is very similar, but probably not identical, to the formula used by Fredrick Mohs in the invention of his MOHS surgery. See, originally what Mohs did, was use the salve to identify tissue as cancer or not, then he would use a scalpel to cut away the cancerous tissue, then reapply the salve to see if any remaining tissue showed as cancer. Remember, if it's cancerous it turns white (because it's dying), where healthy tissue just gets red and irritated. Isn't it ironic that Doctors consider Mohs surgery one of the "gold standards" - even though they don't use the exact same method he did at all... and also disparage the salve he DID use successfully. Others Doctors have used similar methods... see below.

If you want to check out each individual ingredient in the Salve... the maker has posted the recipe for it online so you can make your own from scratch. Check each botanical and you will find that different research groups have done studies on their effectiveness against cancer... though with most things, results vary.

If I were going with a DIY treatment... The reason I would use the Amazon Topical Black Salve, rather than other treatments, is because other treatments require that the person reapply. This CAN lead a person to OVERtreatment of an area that perhaps should not have been treated at all. Additionally, these other methods don't seem to be as effective anyway.

Amazon Salve is more "clear cut" in how it works... or doesn't. You have a 24 hour "test" period where you can make your own determination whether you should continue and, if you don't, that short amount of time could not, in my opinion, do any extensive damage... it just doesn't work that fast and you would wash remaining residue off.

With the Amazon Salve, when you use it RIGHT... you are only applying it ONCE for 24 hours to see what kind of reaction your skin has. If you are not sure... don't continue using it (see a Doctor if you are still concerned). If, however, you see that the tissue clearly has white edges, then you reapply and leave on for two weeks... withOUT adding any more. Just keep it covered with a bandage. If you follow the steps properly... you don't have the opportunity to "over-treat." I might add that if you have severe pain for more than the first 3-4 days, that you might consider stopping... as that could indicate that your cancer is much deeper than you suspect. In that case I'd probably stop if I still had severe pain on day 5. If your cancer is just surface skin cancer, the pain won't be bad for more than 2-3 days, though you may have occationally twinges or discomfort.

Keep in mind... this is ONLY what I would do... I'm NOT telling anyone else what they should feel comfortable with because we all have to make OUR OWN health care decisions.

But do more research. It CAN be confusing because there are paid "sockpuppets" who will promote something because they make money from it. There are also those that are cheerleaders for the surgery method because they either feel most comfortable with it, or because they too, are paid from that same medical model. There are though... thousands of testimonials from people who used DIY treatment effectively... and only a handful that medical community points to with bad outcomes. I did the math and took a gamble.

Additionally, if you are doing a DIY treatment you have to know there is a risk that the Salve doe NOT get all the cancer. There can be some cells that are deep, and that regrow and spread down the road. This though can also be true with traditional treatments as well. Just take it for what it's worth... here is more "warnings" as to that aspect...
http://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(05)01432-5/fulltext

If someone is hesitant to use a DIY treatment and they have the money to throw a few thousand at a Doctor... they should do so. I only did the hours and hours of research I did because I was uninsured and didn't have the money so was motivated. However after seeing how well the $26 jar of salve worked on the first SC, I used it on two other spots as well (one at a time). It worked equally well on those so I saved about $2970. to $8000. which is what the surgery method (x3) would have run me. This was a few years ago, and so far, I've had no recurring problems in those area.

more from this forum... if you haven't see this yet...
http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1095

more interesting info:
http://www.whale.to/a/nichol6.html

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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/03/2014 :  11:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi mandyyy,

As I said or indicated previously, I had a lot more cancer all over my body (scalp, face, neck, shoulders, back, ribs, belly, arms, thighs, calves, top of feet etc., than I ever dreamed of. I am so glad that Curaderm is formulated to trace down and expose all of the cancer that is linked to the spots that I began treating. A lot of what I have worked on involved getting very deep lesions that have taken many months to completely heal so that I can barely see that anything was ever going on there. As of this writing my scalp, neck, and my face, are finished. They are looking very good. On my face, it took a lot of work and perseverance to get rid of the cancer at the line between the normal facial skin and the melanin skin of the lips. Saliva kept getting under the tape and washing away the cream.

I'm still working on some other parts of my body to get a good cosmetic result. There is some mild 'scarring,' mostly that the new skin replacing the lesions is a lighter color than the original skin. My right calf, which was horrible looking due to all of the lesions which developed, is now almost completely healed. My left calf where I had the two silver dollar size deep black holes, those holes have shrunk to about the size of dimes, are healthy-looking, and continuing to heal. The surrounding raw eroded skin area is filling in. And oh, I almost forgot to mention the tops of my thighs that almost looked like raw hamburger (yes, really) due to all the lesions which developed, that are now all filled in with healthy tissue, are smooth with virtually no scarring.

I see no sign of the many lesions that have healed recurring.

And yes, six years ago I had Mohs surgery done on what was the bleeding sore on my cheek that wouldn't heal, and in 3-4 months it was coming back. I think the Surgeon simply didn't want to take out enough tissue, because to do so would have disfigured my face, which then would have required plastic surgery to repair. So, yes, I guess I was very "unlucky." Also 'unlucky,' I guess, that Curaderm finished up what remained of the cancer after the surgery, which probably was the strings of cells spreading out from the original cancer node. How is a Mohs surgeon supposed to remove all of those strings of cells with the laser? They are too small and diffusely spreading out. Nor do I think that Black Salve, Bloodroot Paste etc., which are much cheaper ($), trace out all those strings of cancer cells. They have no laboratory tested ingredients in them which would do that.

One can do surgery to destroy the node in various ways (some ways are expensive ($) and some are not), or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer. That's how I currently see all of this 'controversy.' Of couse if one might have something going on that Curaderm will not deal with, that's why Curaderm advise to go to a licensed physician or dermatologist to have it checked out. And of course those doctors are not going to recommend that you use Curaderm for anything, because they don't get any money ($) from doing so.

Curaderm, from every indication I have observed from using it on myself for many years now, follows out the strings of cancer cells from the node that one is treating, and gets rid of all of it, as the research says that it does. If the strings of cancer cells lead to, or connect with, other nearby cancerous areas, the cream will start to produce lesions in those areas which will begin to show up. Also, I have seen that the cream may take more time to work it's way into the entire cancer, so that one can be working on one lesion, get it almost healed, and then right next to it another apparently different lesion might appear. No problem. Keep going and work on that lesion until the entire cancer is eradicated in that area. I've had this happen many times with various lesions, and that is what I have done.

For Dr. Cham's credentials, an overview of his research, his patent on BEC5, and what he went through in Australia, it is all posted at www(dot)bec5creamdirect(dot)com. Click on History, go the bottom of the page, and under the photos of Vanuatu, click to read an interview with Dr. Bill E. Cham, PhD on the development of BEC5 Cream for the treatment of non-melanoma skin cancer. All of the clinical studies and other research results are posted on that web site. Also, read The Eggplant Cancer Cure by Dr. Cham, for a very detailed short book on skin cancer (with some really good photos), and how Curaderm works to get rid of it.

Yes, all of this has been expensive ($) for all the tubes I cream that I have purchased and am unable to get VA or Medicare reimbursement for, due to the lack of FDA approval here in the U.S. It would be so nice if I was getting paid ($) to post my good results, although getting good results has not been without considerable psychological stress and difficulties as I have explained or indicated in my previous posts.



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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sorry I don't agree with you at all. My cancer was not worse than i realised, and i suffered through the pain without stopping until a large hole was seared into my face and then new skin grew. It was biopsied and diagnosed, and then biopsied again, by Drs. I followed ALL the curaderm instructions, and i even thought i was cured if you go back and read my posts.
My post it to warn people about Curaderm not being successful as claimed. You are saying that your cancer came back after MOHS? Well that is terribly unlucky because it has a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN rate of cure at 97% here in Australia , so wow how unlucky were you?
What is the success rate of Curaderm for BCC apart from (unacceptable to the science community) published anecdotal evidence from a DR who fled the country, and a book he wrote about eggplants curing cancer? Zero, and a hell of a lot of unhappy (and sore!) people. I know curaderm does eat into the cancer, but that is exactly what Saliyclic Acid should do if you put it on your skin.
I totally get that other hack and hope surgeries are not highly successful, because you never know if you got it all out, but with MOHS they don't stop until they have have ZERO cancer cells showing up in the treated area under a microscope? Who can argue with that?
I have nothing to gain from being honest on this forum, and those supporting this non approved, kind of works cream, have a lot to gain.

howardz43 perhaps this cream can work on Keratosis and can regress cancer, but it is terribly wrong for the makers of this cream to espouse an 80 to 100% success rate on BCCs. It is called illegal advertising in my country and hence why Dr Cham does not reside here or sell it legally. It was taken off the PBS for a reason. A real loving humanitarian (as they make him out to be) would stop selling it until they got the formula right, and obtained the medical results required by law, to make it a real, safe and legal option in the use of BCC cancer cure.
Enough said on this now, i am moving on from this BCC chapter of my life. Best wishes to all who have skin cancer, may you find your treatment and l pray you all make decision based on truth and what is real. When you are sick you are very vulnerable to wanting to believe there is a magic cure.


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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 09/03/2014 :  14:54:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi howardz43,
sounds like you need to sue your so called surgeon, not spend pages supporting Curaderm. In Australia a surgeon who 'felt like they couldn't take all the cancer out' would be struck off the medical board. You must see your case against MOHS sounds ridiculous?
I've had my MOHS surgery now (early August). I won't say it was a picnic in the park to have my nose cut open, but I was so safe, cared for, and now I am cancer free and recovering well. My biggest problem in life is now (small) scar management, not cancer. At about 6 months post surgery I will assess scar options if required. I just thank God I didn't leave it any longer. I'm not sure what the curaderm did because the cancer was large and certainly not even remotely gone. Your statement "or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer" is laughable and dangerous. I know you want to be the last thread on this forum to leave the reader wanting to purchase, but I'm hopefully people are smarter than that.
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2014 :  10:16:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
mandyyy, I know that you and several others 'want to be the last poster on this forum' extolling whatever they think is best and bashing Curaderm with lots of emotional rancor and bitterness due to the terrible results they got, or it's just too slow and takes a long time etc. I've read through many of these sad stories, but with the real horror stories it is not clear what they were trying to use Curaderm to heal in the first place. They never got it checked out medically, first. Could it not be that if they had done so they might have saved themselves a lot of wasted expense, time, and trouble? I've simply been telling what my results from using Curaderm are so far. If you and others don't like it, TS (that means Tough Sh_t)! ;-p

As for the Mhos surgery that I had, it was done at probably the best Veterans hospital here in the U.S. with the most advanced techniques available because it is closely related to a major university medical school right next door. The surgeon was a very nice lady surgeon, and I don't blame her, I think she did the best work that she could, so again :-p to you, and to the others who are posting here that are similar to you in your attitude and sarcasm. It comes through quite well in how you say what you say. Enough said?

quote:
Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sounds like you need to sue your so called surgeon, not spend pages supporting Curaderm. In Australia a surgeon who 'felt like they couldn't take all the cancer out' would be struck off the medical board. You must see your case against MOHS sounds ridiculous?
I've had my MOHS surgery now (early August). I won't say it was a picnic in the park to have my nose cut open, but I was so safe, cared for, and now I am cancer free and recovering well. My biggest problem in life is now (small) scar management, not cancer. At about 6 months post surgery I will assess scar options if required. I just thank God I didn't leave it any longer. I'm not sure what the curaderm did because the cancer was large and certainly not even remotely gone. Your statement "or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer" is laughable and dangerous. I know you want to be the last thread on this forum to leave the reader wanting to purchase, but I'm hopefully people are smarter than that.



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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2014 :  18:27:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2014 :  19:07:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
woah, keep your coolio's Mr howardz43. Peace to you :))))) Just not to Curaderm :P

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Originally posted by howardz43

mandyyy, I know that you and several others 'want to be the last poster on this forum' extolling whatever they think is best and bashing Curaderm with lots of emotional rancor and bitterness due to the terrible results they got, or it's just too slow and takes a long time etc. I've read through many of these sad stories, but with the real horror stories it is not clear what they were trying to use Curaderm to heal in the first place. They never got it checked out medically, first. Could it not be that if they had done so they might have saved themselves a lot of wasted expense, time, and trouble? I've simply been telling what my results from using Curaderm are so far. If you and others don't like it, TS (that means Tough Sh_t)! ;-p

As for the Mhos surgery that I had, it was done at probably the best Veterans hospital here in the U.S. with the most advanced techniques available because it is closely related to a major university medical school right next door. The surgeon was a very nice lady surgeon, and I don't blame her, I think she did the best work that she could, so again :-p to you, and to the others who are posting here that are similar to you in your attitude and sarcasm. It comes through quite well in how you say what you say. Enough said?

quote:
Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi howardz43,
sounds like you need to sue your so called surgeon, not spend pages supporting Curaderm. In Australia a surgeon who 'felt like they couldn't take all the cancer out' would be struck off the medical board. You must see your case against MOHS sounds ridiculous?
I've had my MOHS surgery now (early August). I won't say it was a picnic in the park to have my nose cut open, but I was so safe, cared for, and now I am cancer free and recovering well. My biggest problem in life is now (small) scar management, not cancer. At about 6 months post surgery I will assess scar options if required. I just thank God I didn't leave it any longer. I'm not sure what the curaderm did because the cancer was large and certainly not even remotely gone. Your statement "or one can use Curaderm to eradicate the entire cancer" is laughable and dangerous. I know you want to be the last thread on this forum to leave the reader wanting to purchase, but I'm hopefully people are smarter than that.




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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  06:21:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  06:24:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

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Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.

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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  08:30:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Gibsontown...

I'm reluctant to give any advice as I can only, in truth, say what I would do.

However if I had a skin cancer or lesion that seemed more "invasive" I would probably choose to do the Amazon Topical Black Salve treatment on the surface cancer... then AFTER that was done, I'd do the "internal" tonic that Alpha Omega Lab's sells to try and get any cancer that was more internal. Apparently even people with breast cancer have (according to posts I've found), used that successfully.

The other thing I would do is go to an independent lab and have blood tests run a month or so after I was done with my DIY treatment. You can go directly to these labs and save money... however you still need a Cancer Doctor (or nurse) that understand the lab results.

Cancer apparently leaves "markers" in the bloodwork.

This is what I would do on my own.... before subjecting myself to Western medical treatments like surgery and chemo.

Of course, if my cancer was really invasive I'd do a variety of other things as well... Modified Citrus Pectin (the brand from Dr. Eliaz or from Qivana), I'd go to an "anti-cancer" diet... which is mostly plant based and alkaline. I'd drink alkaline water, and I would do "micro-current" treatments as well as other botanicals that have anti-cancer properties.

I know a woman who had 4th stage breast cancer that did these things (except for the Alpha Omega products) and completely rid herself of the cancer in four months. Her blood work came back clean after.

Certain things, like Modified Citrus Pectin, should be taken DAILY by anyone that is prone to cancer. Also, ridding your home of TOXINS is important too... take out any carpeting, use no VOC paint on your walls, spring clean with NONtoxic cleaners.

75% of cancer is caused by environment and nutrition.
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SueZeQ

USA
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Posted - 09/05/2014 :  08:40:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One more thought... even experienced integrative and Naturopathic Doctors, like Dr. Isaac Eliaz, will tell you that it's almost impossible to cure internal cancer with just ONE natural treatment alone, they work too slow. So it seems like you would need multiple things together for best results.

Also, detoxing from heavy metals is very important as they interfere with your bodies natural ability to absorb some of the anti-cancer things, like Selenium.

In additional to the regular Modified Citrus Pectin Dr. Eliaz developed, he also developed one with kelp... that will detox you from five things... mercury, aluminum, cadnium, arsenic and lead. That is sold by Dr. Eliaz, and is what Qivana sells under the name DeTox. This is proven to work in clinical trials... it's not "woo-woo" stuff.
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  09:10:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi SuzQ - I addressed my basal cell a multitude of ways. I went through probably half a dozen topical approaches over a years span, plus quite a few internal / supplemental and nutritional approaches. And this is on top of the last 35 years of extremely clean living (organic, daily exercise, sun, air, etc). That said, I forgot about the cancer for a couple months after the last Curaderm treatment. It looked great for a few months, then suddenly opened up into a lesion. It was under there all along.

I figured it would be obvious if it returned. And it was. No more messing around for me. Glad to be done with it. I'd try topical again, only on a brand new, extremely small spot. This one had been there too long 2 or 3 years, before I realized it was suspicious. Now I would realize it right away.
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SueZeQ

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  11:54:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nothing beats experience! Glad you nipped it finally. Best wishes!
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  13:23:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anivoc, do you own this web site? I think not. Of course I'm free here to express my experience, thoughts, and opinions. Yet I still get the impression that you think that you own the site and that my views are allowed here only by your permission, and so we've discussed that issue previously. I think you are really less 'offended' by how I express my views linguistically than you are that I have good results with Curaderm and am not bashing it like you and others are doing. That others here have had some bad experiences involving Curaderm does not make me posting my good results 'wrong,' or 'politically incorrect' for doing so, except perhaps in the minds of those posting here who have had the bad experiences.

I would recommend to anyone having their skin condition checked out by a licensed professional dermatologist. If it's BCC or SCC and not metastatic, or melanoma, I recommend to try Curaderm, especially if they have only a few spots or small areas. If they have skin cancer all over their body, they should be VERY careful in applying it to limit as much as possible the overall active, oozing, lesion area they may end up having to treat in each treatment session. Read my previous posts regarding that problem. My experience is that Curaderm works very well, almost too well.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.


Edited by - howardz43 on 09/05/2014 14:23:41
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2014 :  13:55:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gibsontown, If that tiny spot was cancerous and Curaderm didn't work on it for 9 months, how did Curaderm "make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive," per your doctor? I mean, either Curaderm had no effect, or, Curaderm did have the effect that your doctor said. Or, is it both ways at the same time? If it did have such an effect, don't you think that you would have noticed that kind of an effect, just a little bit?
I also wonder if maybe you got a counterfeit of Curaderm. Dr. Cham said in his book, The Eggplant Cancer Cure that:
"As described earlier in this book, it is not a simple matter of having glycoalkaloids in a cream or gel and assume that this is a treatment for skin cancer. Cancer is a serious condition. A tremendous amount of careful work was done to obtain these purified glycoalkaloids without traces of their inhibitors (interfering substances) from the plant materials. If this preparation is not properly completed, the end product will be useless, as experienced by patients who have been cleverly enticed to use counterfeit products. I have received numerous telephone calls, facsimiles, and emails from patients, all over the world, who have used these counterfeit products without success. The following is an example of a typical email received.

“Greetings, I have used Curaderm in the past with great success.
Last year I tried to order the product from…and was told it was now
called…I waited 4 months and finally received two tubes
of…(supposedly Curaderm) with an offer to buy a book claiming to
have the answer for skin cancer. Well, it didn’t have the consistency
of Curaderm, it didn’t smell like Curaderm and quite honestly it was
worthless. I was very impressed with the real Curaderm and would
like to purchase some. If you could direct me to a reliable source I
would be very grateful. Thanks"

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.




Edited by - howardz43 on 09/05/2014 14:27:03
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2014 :  08:52:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It ate away at the (top portion) of the spot for most of that 9 months, yes. It was VERY reactive. Which is why my Doctor was kind of interested in it, and didn't object to me trying it. But 9 months is way too long to waste, in hindsite. :)

And sure, it looked totally successful for a few weeks after both treatments. But a couple months later a gaping, weeping even larger lesion opened up. My doctor said it simply cannot get to the very roots. I agree. Killing off part of the tumor, in his opinion, allows the roots to come back far more aggressively.

I totally regret wasting a year on Curaderm, and false hope. The tumor removed (after both treatments of Curaderm) was the size of a nickel, and deep. I have a 3" incision and cartilage graft. I wonder how much easier the surgery would have gone had I simply removed the tumor immediately, rather than 'trimming' it to grow deeper the past year.

I only post this so others will know. It seems that those who post success (on the website for sales) are only the ones immediately after treatment. Sure. Mine looked great for a few months, too.

I requested in writing that my testimony also be posted, so people can get an accurate view. But they will not post my testimony of trying it and it not resulting in a success in the end.

Maybe it simply doesn't work on infiltrative BCC like mine (the manufacturer insisted that 'over 15,000 cases of infiltrative have been cured.' What is the actual cure rate, 5 years later? Nobody seems to know - that info seems censured, to me, the consumer.


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Originally posted by howardz43

gibsontown, If that tiny spot was cancerous and Curaderm didn't work on it for 9 months, how did Curaderm "make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive," per your doctor? I mean, either Curaderm had no effect, or, Curaderm did have the effect that your doctor said. Or, is it both ways at the same time? If it did have such an effect, don't you think that you would have noticed that kind of an effect, just a little bit?
I also wonder if maybe you got a counterfeit of Curaderm. Dr. Cham said in his book, The Eggplant Cancer Cure that:
"As described earlier in this book, it is not a simple matter of having glycoalkaloids in a cream or gel and assume that this is a treatment for skin cancer. Cancer is a serious condition. A tremendous amount of careful work was done to obtain these purified glycoalkaloids without traces of their inhibitors (interfering substances) from the plant materials. If this preparation is not properly completed, the end product will be useless, as experienced by patients who have been cleverly enticed to use counterfeit products. I have received numerous telephone calls, facsimiles, and emails from patients, all over the world, who have used these counterfeit products without success. The following is an example of a typical email received.

“Greetings, I have used Curaderm in the past with great success.
Last year I tried to order the product from…and was told it was now
called…I waited 4 months and finally received two tubes
of…(supposedly Curaderm) with an offer to buy a book claiming to
have the answer for skin cancer. Well, it didn’t have the consistency
of Curaderm, it didn’t smell like Curaderm and quite honestly it was
worthless. I was very impressed with the real Curaderm and would
like to purchase some. If you could direct me to a reliable source I
would be very grateful. Thanks"

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.





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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2014 :  17:24:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is no way for me to know for sure, but very honestly, from my approximate 4 years of experience with using Curaderm, what you describe sounds to me like what happens when one doesn't always clean the lesion(s) very thoroughly prior to each treatment. The instructions warn to not let lesions get covered over with skin so that the cream is no longer getting into the underlying cancer. If one doesn't do that, lesions will tend to get covered over by dead skin, especially as they shrink after first becoming maximally inflamed. If one doesn't remove the dead skin, the lesion(s) will get covered over, and on the surface, to visual inspection, they will appear to be healing. The end result may look pretty good on the surface. The underlying cancer however will continue to grow beneath the apparently healed skin surface, and ultimately break through again, sometimes bigger and worse looking than before. Nine months is a plausible enough amount of time for that to occur. And of course, the Dr. is going to interpret it in the way you say that he did. My experience is that Curaderm will get to the roots of the nastiest-looking, deep lesions imaginable, and will heal them from the bottom up (not the top down) so long as one keeps them open at the top so that the ongoing applications of the cream can get into the 'raw meat' of the lesions.

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

It ate away at the (top portion) of the spot for most of that 9 months, yes. It was VERY reactive. Which is why my Doctor was kind of interested in it, and didn't object to me trying it. But 9 months is way too long to waste, in hindsite. :)

And sure, it looked totally successful for a few weeks after both treatments. But a couple months later a gaping, weeping even larger lesion opened up. My doctor said it simply cannot get to the very roots. I agree. Killing off part of the tumor, in his opinion, allows the roots to come back far more aggressively.

I totally regret wasting a year on Curaderm, and false hope. The tumor removed (after both treatments of Curaderm) was the size of a nickel, and deep. I have a 3" incision and cartilage graft. I wonder how much easier the surgery would have gone had I simply removed the tumor immediately, rather than 'trimming' it to grow deeper the past year.

I only post this so others will know. It seems that those who post success (on the website for sales) are only the ones immediately after treatment. Sure. Mine looked great for a few months, too.

I requested in writing that my testimony also be posted, so people can get an accurate view. But they will not post my testimony of trying it and it not resulting in a success in the end.

Maybe it simply doesn't work on infiltrative BCC like mine (the manufacturer insisted that 'over 15,000 cases of infiltrative have been cured.' What is the actual cure rate, 5 years later? Nobody seems to know - that info seems censured, to me, the consumer.


quote:
Originally posted by howardz43

gibsontown, If that tiny spot was cancerous and Curaderm didn't work on it for 9 months, how did Curaderm "make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive," per your doctor? I mean, either Curaderm had no effect, or, Curaderm did have the effect that your doctor said. Or, is it both ways at the same time? If it did have such an effect, don't you think that you would have noticed that kind of an effect, just a little bit?
I also wonder if maybe you got a counterfeit of Curaderm. Dr. Cham said in his book, The Eggplant Cancer Cure that:
"As described earlier in this book, it is not a simple matter of having glycoalkaloids in a cream or gel and assume that this is a treatment for skin cancer. Cancer is a serious condition. A tremendous amount of careful work was done to obtain these purified glycoalkaloids without traces of their inhibitors (interfering substances) from the plant materials. If this preparation is not properly completed, the end product will be useless, as experienced by patients who have been cleverly enticed to use counterfeit products. I have received numerous telephone calls, facsimiles, and emails from patients, all over the world, who have used these counterfeit products without success. The following is an example of a typical email received.

“Greetings, I have used Curaderm in the past with great success.
Last year I tried to order the product from…and was told it was now
called…I waited 4 months and finally received two tubes
of…(supposedly Curaderm) with an offer to buy a book claiming to
have the answer for skin cancer. Well, it didn’t have the consistency
of Curaderm, it didn’t smell like Curaderm and quite honestly it was
worthless. I was very impressed with the real Curaderm and would
like to purchase some. If you could direct me to a reliable source I
would be very grateful. Thanks"

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

Didn't work for me - and I tried it for 9 months on a very, very tiny spot. Just had surgery. It did make the cancer grow back far bigger and more aggressive according to my doctor.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard the pendulum swings both ways. As long as you keep it civil, you are free to come here and post relevant thoughts, ideas and opinions.

Many people here including myself tried Curaderm and found it to be a painful waste of time and money. There are several more effective, less expensive alternative treatments.

I would personally never recommend Curaderm to anybody.

If you want to tout Curaderms wonders carry on....just be aware, that just like you, everyone here is welcome to express their opinions. Just because they don't line up with yours doesn't make them wrong.








Edited by - howardz43 on 09/08/2014 17:28:07
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2014 :  23:12:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm glad it worked for you Howard. I followed very, very specific instructions from the manufacturer (who I was informed was 'the Doctor who created it, himself') and probably exchanged several dozen photos over the 9 month course of treatment.

Each photo was analyized and directions given, and another photo requested. Never was there 'dead skin' over the lesion. And never was it suggested that I harshly scrub 'dead skin' away from an obviously open, raw lesion.

Curaderm simply did not work for me. There was zero user error. I am willing to go another year or two 'trying' again, after it was proclaimed cured (by said manufacturer) twice during the 9 months, and I was instructed to stop Curaderm because all signs of cancer were gone. This simply was not the case for me. They were wrong. It did not work.

I wish I had found others willing to share that information so I could have made a better decision, perhaps after the first treatment (12 weeks) failed to eradicate it.
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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  00:44:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh God , thanks for jumping back in gibonstown. My experience with Curaderm being a scam mirrored yours exactly. Someone HAS to stop that curaderm marketer from being the last to reply on this forum. It's getting quite comical now that he keeps on going . . . and going . . . and going . .. He HAS to write the last post to keep it positive for Curaderm. Considering the majority of the curaderm testimonials on this forum are negative and are quite clear it is not successful and downright dangerous to use, I ask: why the heck does he need to patrol this forum consistently trying to protect Curaderm's reputation?? We all have strong & legitimate reasons for being here - to warn people from our scary experiences, and from being ripped off like we were. But him?
You'd think "humanitarian" Dr Cham would be horrified for us all, and pull Curaderm from sale to work on his formula and correct false marketing, right? Must laugh or will cry

gibonstown have you had your cancer treated properly now? Don't be frightened of MOHS, it's worth the $ to have the peace of mind that it is truly gone. I was terrified (hence seeking magical cures . . . "slaps myself in the head" ). If you want to see pics of my op and the recovery etc you can PM me. My cancer was quite big in the end, as the Curaderm really aggravated all the cells and caused it to get larger :( My Dr was so sad for me, cause it was my face (but she did refrain from saying "I told you so"

I'm doing great now and i'm 5 weeks post surgery. In hindsight BCC's are easy but expensive to treat.. not sure why it was so scary for me. I think the "C" word scared me. And lets face it that youtube video of the guy using curaderm on his head looked SO easy and believable!! I should have thought more about the fact he SELLS curaderm ("2nd slap on my head" ). The bigger picture is that I'm SO grateful I only had a BCC and not a melanoma! I'm actually very lucky
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evoc

USA
10 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  07:06:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gibsontown, my second experience with Curaderm was similar to what you describe. I had spots appear suddenly while treating a single spot. None of them ever did heal. They looked about to heal then as the crater shrunk to ready to be gone it would get a small thin flesh colored scab over it, which was easy to remove leaving a larger crater. This went on for two more months leaving a treatment lasting four months until I stopped using Curaderm and applied Neosporin for a quick three day healing.
Had I not stopped the Curaderm the spots may never have healed. The several spots finally healed by neosporin left bright red scars.

The bright red spots were there from the Curaderm not caused by neosporin.My doc looked disgusted. He took a biopsy of one of the spots I did not treat and it was negative for any malignancy. He said it was dermatitis from the Curaderm. He had me treat that with strong steroid cream and heavy moisturizer. After three weeks all of that was gone. Nothing gets rid of the bright red scars showing my foolhardiness.

When I admitted to myself the Curaderm was not working as it did the first time I used it, I wondered if the formula were different or had gotten weaker. I ordered a fifth and final tube which I received but did not use. I was done with Curaderm. It was done with me.

I wonder how many of us are walking around with the visible scarring from this product that eats away healthy non-cancerous skin and does not heal.
The first time I used Curaderm it seemed to work as the makers claim. The second time was like a different formulation completely. It ate into the skin, any skin and did not heal anything.

I think it is clear from the last post from the guy who raves about Curaderm that he is an employee. He said he receives emails faxes from patients. That is a function of a physician or scientist working for Curaderm, not a regular consumer. Shame on Curaderm first for scamming us all and then for posting the company liar here to further the scam.
Curaderm's official word to me was they think people should stop reading these forums. Then they removed all the Curaderm forums.
But they plant someone here.

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

I'm glad it worked for you Howard. I followed very, very specific instructions from the manufacturer (who I was informed was 'the Doctor who created it, himself') and probably exchanged several dozen photos over the 9 month course of treatment.

Each photo was analyized and directions given, and another photo requested. Never was there 'dead skin' over the lesion. And never was it suggested that I harshly scrub 'dead skin' away from an obviously open, raw lesion.

Curaderm simply did not work for me. There was zero user error. I am willing to go another year or two 'trying' again, after it was proclaimed cured (by said manufacturer) twice during the 9 months, and I was instructed to stop Curaderm because all signs of cancer were gone. This simply was not the case for me. They were wrong. It did not work.

I wish I had found others willing to share that information so I could have made a better decision, perhaps after the first treatment (12 weeks) failed to eradicate it.

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Nanoagain

35 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  07:39:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mandyy, do keep in mind that your doctor is also selling something. Current mainstream medical treats cancers primarily by debulking the cancer (surgically or chemically) and then hopes that the patient's body will be able to get on top of the disease. They do not cure the cancer by removing it.

About a month after having MOHs for my BCC, another lesion was quickly growing on another part of my face. About eight months after the operation, bumps were beginning to occur right along the incision line. Right away I treated with various combos of vitamins and minerals and they reduced or went away. I did not get a biopsy, but they reacted the way that the cancer had in response to vitamin C. So unfortunately, MOHs did not prevent more lesions--some in the exact same area that had been so meticulously cut out.

Removing the cancer, whether by MOHs surgery, Curaderm, black salve, etc. is only part of the solution. You are only debulking the cancer with these different methods, but the big question is how to enable your body to get rid of any remaining cancer.
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  07:57:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
evoc, If you're talking about someone else, please clarify that fact. The only 'conversation' about Curaderm that I've been having is with a few people here in this forum.
Otherwise, those are some really asinine and delusional things to say, if you're referring to me. I'm NOT an employee of Curaderm nor am I "planted" here by them in any way, shape, or form. Where have I said that that I "receive emails and faxes from patients?" If you're referring to me in that regard, you are a flat-out liar. If you're referring to me, please quote what I said, or give directions to the post where I said any such thing. You can't do that because it is all in your imagination.

quote:
Originally posted by evoc

gibsontown, "... I think it is clear from the last post from the guy who raves about Curaderm that he is an employee. He said he receives emails faxes from patients. That is a function of a physician or scientist working for Curaderm, not a regular consumer. Shame on Curaderm first for scamming us all and then for posting the company liar here to further the scam.
"Curaderm's official word to me was they think people should stop reading these forums. Then they removed all the Curaderm forums.
But they plant someone here."

quote:
Originally posted by gibsontown

I'm glad it worked for you Howard. I followed very, very specific instructions from the manufacturer (who I was informed was 'the Doctor who created it, himself') and probably exchanged several dozen photos over the 9 month course of treatment.

Each photo was analyized and directions given, and another photo requested. Never was there 'dead skin' over the lesion. And never was it suggested that I harshly scrub 'dead skin' away from an obviously open, raw lesion.

Curaderm simply did not work for me. There was zero user error. I am willing to go another year or two 'trying' again, after it was proclaimed cured (by said manufacturer) twice during the 9 months, and I was instructed to stop Curaderm because all signs of cancer were gone. This simply was not the case for me. They were wrong. It did not work.

I wish I had found others willing to share that information so I could have made a better decision, perhaps after the first treatment (12 weeks) failed to eradicate it.




Edited by - howardz43 on 09/09/2014 08:00:45
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  08:37:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nanoagain, Thanks for posting your experience, it is similar to mine with the Mhos surgery that I had done on my cheek, after which a friend told me to check out Curaderm. From things I've read, a cancer node will have many strings of cancer cells spreading out from it in all directions. Even with Mhos, the surgeon will remove the node and some area around it, but the person using a microscope to examine the removed tissue in order to tell the surgeon when to stop shaving away tissue, is not going to see each one of those tiny little strings of cancer cells. That's my mental understanding, based on factual medical info regarding the anatomy of cancerous areas, for why my cancer was coming back within about 4 months after Mhos. I could feel the same 'crawly' sensations under the skin where the surgery was done, as I did before I had the surgery.

Apparently Curaderm can do a bit more than debulk the cancer. Evidently, Dr. Cham has a patent on his BEC5 formula that biochemically follows the strings of cancer cells out to the very ends of the strings. One doesn't get an internationally recognized patent by making up a fantasy. What one is patenting has to be demonstrable. The cancer cells 'like' one of the BEC5 ingredients. Another ingredient in the formula kills the cells, and it TENDS to get passed along from cell to cell because biochemically one of the ingredients is attractive to cancer cells and so it tends to get passed along from cell to cell in that way. I that's why I regard Curaderm as only a tool, and I said so in my very first post here on this forum. It has a pretty good success rate, but like everything in organic nature there are variables and it doesn't work mechanically, in a machine like fashion, exactly the same way every time.

Also, I agree, one has to start looking into the issues of what one's lifestyle and dietary habits may be that are or may be contributing to having one's cells turn cancerous. An alkaline diet is a big help. Otherwise, whatever cancer one thinks that one has gotten rid of, is probably going to keep coming back. There is also another reason it may come back. An experienced nurse at the hospital told me right after I had my Mhos surgery: 'Where the cancer appears is not only a matter of where on your body you were getting lots of UV exposure, it is also a matter of how much you have accumulated/absorbed overall during the course of your entire life.' After thinking that over, I've understood that's why, from using Curaderm, I've had lesions appear in places that virtually never had any exposure to the sun. The Curaderm simply tends to find what's there, whether the area was ever exposed to the sun or not. It doesn't 'create' what is already there.

I simply hope that the stored UV radiation from my overall near lifetime of accumulated sun exposure as a swimmer, surfer, beach lifeguard etc., doesn't keep generating more cancer after I get rid of what the Curaderm BEC5 formula can currently find. However, I have no 'guarantee' that's not going to happen. On the other hand, maybe everything I've been treating with the Curaderm, along with maintaining a predominantly alkaline diet, will exhaust it all.

quote:
Originally posted by Nanoagain

Mandyy, do keep in mind that your doctor is also selling something. Current mainstream medical treats cancers primarily by debulking the cancer (surgically or chemically) and then hopes that the patient's body will be able to get on top of the disease. They do not cure the cancer by removing it.

About a month after having MOHs for my BCC, another lesion was quickly growing on another part of my face. About eight months after the operation, bumps were beginning to occur right along the incision line. Right away I treated with various combos of vitamins and minerals and they reduced or went away. I did not get a biopsy, but they reacted the way that the cancer had in response to vitamin C. So unfortunately, MOHs did not prevent more lesions--some in the exact same area that had been so meticulously cut out.

Removing the cancer, whether by MOHs surgery, Curaderm, black salve, etc. is only part of the solution. You are only debulking the cancer with these different methods, but the big question is how to enable your body to get rid of any remaining cancer.



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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  10:21:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OH. This makes sense. I fear the 'testimonies' I researched for so many hours before trying it...were all written in the first week or two after treatment ended. Of course it looks great then. I want the 5 year plan....

I ask: why the heck does he need to patrol this forum consistently trying to protect Curaderm's reputation??


YES. I agree with you - our experiences are very similar. I have a 3" incision (BCC was in nose cartilage) and look a fright. I would love to know what to expect in the next weeks if you don't mind! I still say, I wasn't a fool to try an alternative. Having your face slashed and dug at, then waiting to see if you might end up normal looking - STILL seems so extreme for what (was) a 4 mm area. Thank you for the update. I am happy to be on the other side of this, healing.

Can you tell me if the stitch removal is any big deal - a little nervous for that tomorrow. And my wound is a bit weepy still (I called and it didn't worry them too much.)

gibonstown have you had your cancer treated properly now? Don't be frightened of MOHS, it's worth the $ to have the peace of mind that it is truly gone. I was terrified (hence seeking magical cures . . . "slaps myself in the head" ). If you want to see pics of my op and the recovery etc you can PM me. My cancer was quite big in the end, as the Curaderm really aggravated all the cells and caused it to get larger :( My Dr was so sad for me, cause it was my face (but she did refrain from saying "I told you so"

I'm doing great now and i'm 5 weeks post surgery. In hindsight BCC's are easy but expensive to treat.. not sure why it was so scary for me. I think the "C" word scared me. And lets face it that youtube video of the guy using curaderm on his head looked SO easy and believable!! I should have thought more about the fact he SELLS curaderm ("2nd slap on my head" ). The bigger picture is that I'm SO grateful I only had a BCC and not a melanoma! I'm actually very lucky
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mandyyy

Australia
12 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2014 :  15:08:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi gibonstown - stitches didn't hurt coming out at all, but take some pain management before you go if you are worried. I got some codeine prescribed to me for pain management after my op, so i took one of those. I am like a baby when it comes to needles/stitches so I prefer to be prepared.
best wishes for a speedy recovery :)
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gibsontown

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2014 :  10:03:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks! I just returned (took Ibu) and it was fine. A bit of pinching but nothing like I feared. I'll be taped up for another week though.

Thanks for the encouragement :)
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Originally posted by mandyyy

Hi gibonstown - stitches didn't hurt coming out at all, but take some pain management before you go if you are worried. I got some codeine prescribed to me for pain management after my op, so i took one of those. I am like a baby when it comes to needles/stitches so I prefer to be prepared.
best wishes for a speedy recovery :)

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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2014 :  18:00:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Howard you already know I don't own this site and you know I am an admin here. I help Dan "the owner" with spam, advertising and crude or rude post or comments.. I have and do delete post that fall into that category and call out people who have come here posing as Topical info members with skin cancer to promote their wares..People that sell Curaderm ( and never had skin cancer themselves) have come here touting and recommending the product without revealing they actually sell it.

I have yet to delete any of your post but you have made some comments to people that shared their bad experiences with Curaderm that bordered on rude and obnoxious. I've warned you in the past and thus the reminder to keep it civil recently.

You play this off like I am picking on you and that I don't like that you had success. That is nonsense. All one has to do is look back at your post to see exactly how sweet, understanding and innocent you are towards those that don't think Curaderm is the be all end all best option.

It's great that Curaderm worked for you...unfortunately it hasn't for many here. I and others here believe there are more effective less expensive choices. To each his own, we all have our own personal "skin in the game"

You accused Mandy "and others" of trying to have the last word. It wasn't as rude as some of your other previous rants but then you finished off in your typical pleasant styling with " if others don't like it TS...

Thus my reply reminding you the pendulum swings both ways...

keep it civil, keep it honest and accept the fact that many of us here aren't Curaderm fans for very valid, painful and expensive reasons.

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anivoc

639 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2014 :  18:08:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BTW To be clear though early on I also suspected Howard possibly had some interest in the Curaderm business, He made it clear he didn't and I believe him.

He's just a passionate happy customer who really believes in the product.
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howardz43

USA
19 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  14:45:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please note, anivoc, that mandyyy was the one who accused me of 'trying to have the last word,' when she was plainly the one who was trying very hard to have the last word in her sarcastic, 'attitude' laden comment addressing me. I don't like people accusing me of doing what they are doing themselves first. That's why I spoke ‘expressively’ to her as I did.
Now here is something else that I think you should consider. If this part of the web site you administrate is only for those who, have had bad experiences with Curaderm, and they need a place for posting their stories, always agree and commensurate with each other, complain about Curaderm, tout other preparations having no better overall public or medical reputations etc., and people such as myself who are having an extensive good experience by learning how to interpret and apply the Curaderm instructions relative to their various complex skin cancer situations are not welcome to share their experience because their doing so would contradict the stories of the bad experiences, then I think you should say that at the top of the page where people can read it when they click on the link "Curaderm." Then people such as I will know to stay away. I would have known from the ‘git go’ that, telling my relatively good experience using Curaderm is not welcome by the administrator, and the people for whom this part of the web site was created. Really, you should just come right out and say it plainly. I think you really should seriously consider having a site link that is specifically for people who want to tout and praise the various ‘wonders’ of bloodroot paste, amazon black salve, various mixtures, other concoctions et al, and share their experiences etc.

quote:
Originally posted by anivoc

Howard you already know I don't own this site and you know I am an admin here. I help Dan "the owner" with spam, advertising and crude or rude post or comments.. I have and do delete post that fall into that category and call out people who have come here posing as Topical info members with skin cancer to promote their wares..People that sell Curaderm ( and never had skin cancer themselves) have come here touting and recommending the product without revealing they actually sell it.

I have yet to delete any of your post but you have made some comments to people that shared their bad experiences with Curaderm that bordered on rude and obnoxious. I've warned you in the past and thus the reminder to keep it civil recently.

You play this off like I am picking on you and that I don't like that you had success. That is nonsense. All one has to do is look back at your post to see exactly how sweet, understanding and innocent you are towards those that don't think Curaderm is the be all end all best option.

It's great that Curaderm worked for you...unfortunately it hasn't for many here. I and others here believe there are more effective less expensive choices. To each his own, we all have our own personal "skin in the game"

You accused Mandy "and others" of trying to have the last word. It wasn't as rude as some of your other previous rants but then you finished off in your typical pleasant styling with " if others don't like it TS...

Thus my reply reminding you the pendulum swings both ways...

keep it civil, keep it honest and accept the fact that many of us here aren't Curaderm fans for very valid, painful and expensive reasons.




Edited by - howardz43 on 09/17/2014 14:55:19
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mandyyy

Australia
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Posted - 09/17/2014 :  23:57:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of course this forum is for people who have had bad experiences with curaderm - it's not currently approved or endorsed by the medical professional AT ALL! People want to know if it's a scam, so they do their amateur research on forums like these hoping to find the truth of the products success. There is enough damming reports on this forum for people to decide for themselves. And Dr Cham.. is making a lot of money out of his product with a lot of false claims. I ask everyone to read this: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-oz-revisited/ (scroll to eggplant cure for cancer)

If you want to have a forum for "good experiences of curaderm" then please get Dr. Cham to keep improving curaderm and get it approved for sale (properly- outside of vanuatu!). Then we wouldn't need this discussion at all - because if it really worked, we would all know about it and sing its praises. I would LOVE for a cream to be successful in removing cancer - i do hope one day there is a breakthrough and we all get to do a happy dance. We are all batting for the same team Howardz43 - we want a non surgical cure skin cancer that has the same (medically proven) success rate as MOHS surgery of 98%. Until then I would never endorse a cream that had such a high rate of failure and causing people so much hurt and upset, even if I believed it had worked for me. I care about people - not curaderm.
On a separate note, do you know if Dr Cham is doing ongoing research for his cream? or has he stopped?
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howardz43

USA
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Posted - 09/19/2014 :  00:56:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An interview with Dr. Bill E. Cham, PhD on the development of BEC5 Cream for the treatment of non-melanoma skin cancer (www.bec5creamdirect.com History):

Dr. Cham, you have developed a cream called BEC5 Cream as an alternative treatment for skin cancer. Can you just start out by telling us what it is that you have accomplished?

What we have accomplished after over 25 years of preclinical and clinical work are:

1) A very effective safe treatment for malignant and non malignant skin cancers using naturally occurring glycoalkaloids extracted from the Devil”s Apple fruit and the eggplant fruit. When using these extracts in BEC5 Cream the results are superior to other cancer treatments such as surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

2) A promising treatment for terminal internal cancers using the BEC glycoalkaloids. Clinical studies are current for this type of treatment.

What originally prompted you to look at Eggplant for an alternative treatment for cancer?

In the late 1970s in Brisbane Australia, I was introduced to a plant known locally as the Devil’s Apple plant. A veterinarian Merv Gilliver explained to me that farmers were using the juices of the fruit of Devil’s Apple plant to treat cancers that were growing in the eyes of Hereford Cattle.

On the world map, Brisbane in Queensland, Australia is positioned where the radiation of UV light is highest. It is for this reason, amongst others, that Queensland has the highest incidences of skin cancer in the world. It is for the same reason that Hereford Cattle who have white around their eyes get cancer known as ocular squamous cell carcinoma.

Although skeptical about Merv’s observations I decided to explore the Devil’s Apple. I asked myself. Where do you start with such a project? There are many hundreds of substances in plant material. Was there one or more substances within these hundreds that had anticancer properties, and if so, which one(s)?

At the time I knew that vincristine and vinblastine were showed to have anticancer properties. These two substances identified as alkaloids are extracted from the periwinkle plant.

If there was any substance in this project the following preliminary questions had to be addressed:

Is there an anticancer ingredient in the Devil’s Apple?
If so, what is the ingredient? Is it alkaloidal?
Is the ingredient toxic, or is it safe enough to use?
How does this ingredient work?
What cancers if any does this ingredient work on?
Each of the above questions on their own may take many years to find the answers and the financial requirements are enormous.

As a matter of fact, an extremely small percentage of research and development (R&D) on a substance for medical treatment reach the stage of clinical application. The time required to achieve such an outcome takes between 15 and 20 years. The required funding exceeds $100 million. With these daunting prospects ahead, one would think it is madness to even consider to get involved, especially if lack of time (I was completing my Ph.D. thesis on cardiovascular disease part-time and was employed at the Department of Medicine full time) and virtually no funding was available. But what the heck, I had convinced myself that I was a reasonable scientist and that anything was possible if you believed strongly in it and you applied yourself.

Thank goodness I had the full support of my wife Anita and my son Karim who was just completing his high school. Anita was engaged in her hobby breeding and training German Shepherd dogs quite successfully.

Realizing that virtually all plants have different alkaloids I decided to identify and characterize the alkaloids from the fruit of the Devil’s Apple plant. Using appropriate scientific instrumentation I was able to determine that the alkaloid in the plant material was solasodine, moreover I found that of only a small quantity of solasodine was present in the free form but most of solasodine was bound (attached) to sugars.

I decided to study the effects of the Devil’s Apple extract on a mouse model that contained the deadly cancer known as Sarcoma 180. The reported studies with the periwinkle extracts vincristine and vinblastine were done whilst these alkaloids were in the free, unbound forms. I therefore decided to study the anticancer properties of solasodine also a free, unbound alkaloid.

The results were very disappointing and I could not find any anticancer effects whatsoever. I also treated the cancer in the mice with the crude extract that was purportedly used in the eyes of cattle with cancer. Again the results were negative. I realized that the project was not looking too promising. I deliberated over my approach before giving up and decided to examine this project objectively. I firmly believe that nature is in unquestionable balance. Whereas, in a particular natural condition, cancer can be conceived, I believe, in another particular natural condition cancer can be eliminated. In that vein, with my previous experiments I did not truly study the naturally occurring glycoalkaloids, only the hydrolysed alkaloid solasodine product. Sets of new experiments were conducted. I now injected BEC, which was the purified mixture of glycoalkaloids as they occurred naturally in the Devil’s Apple, into mice with the deadly Sarcoma 80 cancers. In this case the results were very different.

The BEC was very effective in treating the deadly cancer. Not only did the BEC prolong the life of the cancer containing mice. The BEC actually treated the mice from the deadly cancer. The mice that originally had the cancer when treated with the appropriate dose of BEC were cancer symptom-free and they had a normal life span when compared with normal untreated mice.

I finally had some evidence that BEC had promising anticancer properties. The next step was to embark on the toxicity of BEC.

These studies showed that at the concentrations of BEC used to eliminate cancer, BEC was safe. Subsequently a whole battery of studies were done to show that in cell culture BEC would kill a wide variety of cancer cells without harming normal cells. Patents were then applied for to cover our observations and claims. We started to publish our research work in peer reviewed medical scientific journals. We also showed that BEC was not mutagenic and did not cause cancer. This is important because a substance although curing one type of cancer could also cause a different cancer.

At this stage I was guardedly very optimistic with the BEC research. I was also aware that studies in whole animals did not always translate to the same results when applied to human beings, although the human cancer cell culture work was excellent.

I now wanted to extend the anticancer observations to humans. The model was staring me directly in my face: Skin Cancer. The state I was living in was the capital of skin cancer.

What a good model to study. I could apply BEC in certain formulations and clinically observe the effects of BEC on two types of malignant cancers BCC and SCC. Other premalignant tumors such as keratoses could also be investigated. Importantly, biopsies of the skin cancers, before, during and after BEC treatment could be studied under a microscope.

The end result of the skin cancer trials was that BEC in a formulation now known as BEC5 Cream was an excellent treatment for skin cancers.

Is the effectiveness of BEC5 Cream scientifically proven?

We have published over 20 articles on this subject in scientific journals. Our observations have been confirmed and extended by a plethora of independent scientists worldwide who have recognized and cited our work in their scientific publications. To date there have been no publications refuting our published articles, they had all been supportive.

Why hasn’t everybody heard of it then? Why is it not prescribed by every dermatologist in America?

Scientists throughout the world have read about it and have published many papers citing us as the original inventors. Initially BEC5 Cream was available over the counter in Australia. Over 50,000 patients had used BEC5 Cream. The dermatologists in Australia lobbied against its use and forced the government to put it on prescription.

In Australia if a product is on prescription it is not allowed to be advertised and so the public was unaware of its existence.

We understand that BEC5 Cream made it through the Australian approval process. What happened then?

After it was put on prescription its availability reduced dramatically. We have only recently obtained approval from the Health Department in Vanuatu to classify BEC5 Cream as an over the counter preparation for the treatment of non- melanoma skin cancers. This then allows the product BEC5 Cream to be available worldwide without prescription with the proviso that the product must be shipped to the end user who is allowed to have a 3 months supply. So it is only recently that this excellent product is now available worldwide for the treatment of skin cancer.

Why do you choose to live in Vanuatu and operate your manufacturing there?

I live in Vanuatu, first of all because it is a beautiful country and I have good support from the government, which is essential for manufacturing purposes.

What is it like living there? Do you have family? What do you do for fun?

Compared to the rest of the world it is relatively untouched, relatively underdeveloped with beautiful tropical rain forests and the locals are very friendly. Last year Vanuatu was voted internationally as the happiest country in the world.

I do have a family, my son is in Australia and my grandchildren are in New Zealand and in Australia for their education.

I enjoy farming and have a property where I grow fruit trees, have livestock and I am about to start an aquaculture project.

I have a very supportive family who have endured some challenging times from unexpected fronts such as Health Departments, dermatologists etc. My wife Anita breeds German Shepherd dogs for showing, corrective services and general police work. My son Karim is in the heavy equipment industry. I have three grandchildren Kai is attending the university, Aruba is finishing off high school and hopes to attend university next year and finally, Lane who is at primary school. My family is a most important part of my life.

Do you use nutritional supplements? Have you found any to be especially useful for good health?

Being involved with so many projects and perhaps not always sticking to an appropriate dietary regime, I think it is important to supplement the body with substances that the body cannot make.

Therefore I supplement my body with the essentials such as multivitamins. I have now reached the stage in which vain kicks in and I am now interested in what is known as age-breakers. This nutritional supplement breaks crosslinks that form between proteins.

Crosslinks between sugar and proteins appear to accumulate as we get older and this contributes to the aging process. Thus, by breaking these crosslinks the aging process is demised and reportedly may be reversed. Time will tell whether this is effective or not and this stage I am prepared to check it out at the concentrations of the age breaker that have proven to be safe.

What inspired your interest in medicine?

I really started off studying and majoring in Chemistry. Subsequently I got interested in Biology and also majored in Biochemistry. I did all my studies part-time. I obtained a post at the Medicine Department and that’s how my interest in Medicine started. I subsequently did my Ph.D. in Medicine.

As you will see with my C.V., I have been fortunate to have published over 100 scientific articles. My background in Chemistry, Biochemistry and Medicine has contributed to me having an open, wide approach in science.

Can you talk a little about why the issue of skin cancer has become so important to you?

My ultimate goal at the time was to investigate BEC for the possible treatment of terminal internal cancers, and the results obtained so far are very promising. In order to reach to that end point I studied the effects of BEC on skin cancers to prove the safety and efficacy of BEC.. The results on skin cancers have been so outstanding, that as a matter of fact, BEC therapy for a wide range of skin cancers is more effective than other skin cancer treatments such as surgery, radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

One very good direct comparison between surgery and BEC therapy can be seen in figures 5-12 and 5-15 and Table 5-1 in my book The Eggplant Cancer Cure. A treatment for Skin Cancer and New Hope for Other Cancers from Nature’s Pharmacy.

It would be irresponsible of me if I did not pursue the skin cancer project to the end to establish its role for humanity. This I have done for over a quarter of a century and I do not regret doing so because this BEC therapy has saved lives and body parts such as eyes, noses, ears etc.

In your Eggplant Cancer Cure book you say sunlight causes skin cancer. Is it just all about sunlight, and if that’s true, what do you recommend to people to help them prevent skin cancer?

I am glad you have posed this question.
There is convincing evidence that sunlight causes skin cancer and it is the UV light of the sun radiation that is cancer inducing.
There are 5 main factors that influence the risk of skin cancer:

skin pigment and ability to tan
heredity
exposure to chemicals
amount of exposure to sunlight, and
people who have had organ transplants and are on immuno-suppressive drugs are prone to developing squamous cell carcinoma
Much emphasis has been put on the amount of exposure to sunlight and indeed this is very important.

Sun exposure can be reduced by changing patterns of outdoor activities to reduce time of exposure to high-intensity UV radiation (the sun is strongest from 11am to 3pm), wearing protective clothing (such as long sleeves and hats) when exposed to sunlight, and by using adequate amounts of sufficiently ‘appropriate’ protective sunscreen.

Sunscreen is not a substitute for avoidance of sun exposure and indeed most if not all sunscreens contain either an organic chemical compound (such as oxybenzone and others) that absorbs UV light or an opaque material (such as Titanium dioxide or Zinc oxide) in micronized forms that reflect light, or a combination of both.

Ironically both organic chemical blocks and the mineral physical blocks have been shown to cause cancer. These compounds when activated by UV light produce free radicals that lead to cancer. It has been shown that these compounds do penetrate the skin. Thus these sunscreens could, while preventing sunburn, contribute to sun related cancers. Unfortunately there are no safe sun blocks available.

It is for these reasons we have developed a sunscreen, Curasol BEC, that in addition to the questionable sun blocks also contains BEC the same anticancer ingredient found in BEC5 Cream the treatment of skin cancers.

The concentration of BEC in the sunscreen Curasol BEC is much lower than is present in the cancer treatment cream BEC5 Cream. Curasol BEC is for the prevention of skin cancer and BEC5 Cream is for treatment of skin cancer. Each have a separate role and must be used for that role only. The amount of BEC glycoalkaloids in Curasol BEC is too low to eradicate already formed larger skin cancers, but is high enough to kill skin cancer cells very early in their development.

Thus if the UV activated organic chemical blocks and/or the mineral physical blocks transform normal cells into cancer cells it is expected, as shown by cell culture studies, that the BEC glycoalkaloids will eliminate these early cancer cells.

When did you start using BEC5 Cream with patients?

Together with other medical doctors we started using BEC5 Cream in the early 1980s. We published our findings for the 1st time in 1987. Many other publications for BEC and skin cancers followed after that.

What has been your success rate with BEC5 Cream?

Our published work show that twice daily application of BEC5 Cream to skin lesions under occlusive dressing resulted in:

78% success rate for 8 weeks treatment
100% success rate for 12 weeks treatment
Have you found that government regulations useful or big obstructions with your research for skin cancer?

Initially the government health regulators were helpful. They had approved to register BEC5 Cream as an over the counter item which meant no prescription was required. However after a television program on BEC5 Cream with very satisfied skin cancer patients who had used BEC5 Cream for their treatment of serious skin cancers’ the dermatologists suddenly lost their patients who elected to use BEC5 Cream instead of surgery.

These dermatologists put pressure on the government health regulators who then decided to then put BEC5 Cream as a prescription only drug. Because of this no public awareness of BEC5 Cream was allowed and of course these dermatologists did not support BEC5 Cream. Of course, I attempted to reason with the Health Authorities that BEC5 Cream should be widely available to the public. This fell on deaf ears. The health regulators reasoning was the glycoalkaloids BEC were toxic because they were extracted from the Devil’s Apple plant.

I then examined a whole host of solanum plant species and found that the exact replica of BEC was present in the eggplant. Most importantly the amount of BEC in one tube of BEC5 Cream is the equivalent to approximately 5g of eggplant (approximately 1 table spoon). So how can the BEC in BEC5 Cream be considered toxic, especially after we had done full toxicological studies with the BEC where it was shown that it was completely safe at the concentrations found in BEC5 Cream. With this new information in hand I again approached the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to have BEC5 Cream back as an OTC (over the counter) item. The TGA said they would get back to me. I have been waiting for over 8 years but they have not responded to my request. I finally gave up on them and sought and obtained registration of BEC5 Cream as an OTC in the Republic of Vanuatu. The support by the Health Authorities in Vanuatu has been excellent.

Would you believe that the Health Authorities in Australia instructed their Health care worker from Australia to do a raid at the premises of a distributor in Vanuatu and threatened prosecution?

The Health Authorities in Vanuatu did not stand for this and because it is now registered in Vanuatu for non melanoma skin cancers it is allowed to be sold directly to the end-user with a three month supply world-wide.

Are there plans to seek US FDA approval for BEC5 Cream. If not, why?

Although I have had bad experience in Australia I would welcome the opportunity if in the US the FDA could consider approval of this much needed product, and I would welcome the right body to assist in achieving this.

What is the most difficult challenge to having more people use BEC5 Cream to treat skin cancer?

Although BEC5 Cream is very effective and safe we must not forget that we are dealing with cancer. The difficult challenge is to get the message across to health professionals to supervise the treatment with the patients.

To that end we have published a substantial number of scientific papers on BEC. Moreover, many other scientists have confirmed and extended our observations. Independent clinical trials at 10 hospitals/universities in the UK have confirmed the efficacy of BEC in clinical settings with outpatient subjects.

As a scientist I have done my part, now it is up to others to ensure more people have free informed access to BEC5 Cream.

What are you currently working on?

There are three main medical projects that I am involved in:

1. Continuation of BEC clinical trials for terminal internal cancers. The results so far are very, very promising.

2. Cardiovascular Disease treatment. My Ph.D. thesis surrounds a delipidation procedure which has been shown to cause regression of atherosclerosis in animals. This technology has been licensed out to a public listed company in the US who has recently completed a phase I trial in humans at the Washington Hospital. The studies show that the procedure is safe and regression of atherosclerosis is obtained. We have published many scientific articles on this subject.

3. We have applied the same delipidation procedure to lipid enveloped viruses and in animals we have shown that we can inactivate potent viruses such as SIV (related to HIV in humans), hepatitis and other lipid associated viruses. The delipidation procedure may be applicable for treating and preventing (by vaccination) infections diseases such as HIV. This technology has also been licensed out and we have published many articles on this subject. I have great expectations with this project.

Is there anything I haven’t asked about that you would like to add?

I would like to thank all of the scientists and public who have contributed so much to these projects and last but definitely not least Tania my confidante who has stood by me throughout all experiences.


Clinical Studies (www.bec5creamdirect.com Clinical Studies)
The active ingredient in BEC5 Cream (solasodine glycosides) has been shown to be highly effective for non-melanoma skin lesions.

For more than 25 years, pre-clinical and clinical research has shown the efficacy of BEC5 Cream on non-melanoma skin lesions. In these research studies, relatively small basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas disappeared within 8 to 16 weeks and large, neglected lesions as large as 2 inches by 3 inches healed within a few months. In all the clinical studies, biopsies were taken before and after treatment with BEC5 Cream to ensure both clinically and histologically (microscopically) the type of skin lesion and the effectiveness of BEC5 Cream after the completion.

The results of the clinical trials determined that BEC5 Cream had a success rate of 78% when it was applied twice daily under an occlusive dressing for 8 weeks and was virtually 100% successful when the treatment regime was extended to 12 weeks. Success was defined as zero presence of non-melanoma skin lesions after histological examination of samples extracted from the lesion site by punch biopsy.

BEC5 Cream has met all the requirements regarding research, pre-clinical, and clinical studies to enable its acceptance by health professionals and the public for use on non-melanoma skin lesions.

Below are several published studies that have proven the effectiveness of BEC5 Cream:

A study published in 1991 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1913614 showed that a cream formulation containing high concentrations (10%) of a standard mixture of solasodine glycosides was shown to be effective in the treatment of both malignant and benign human skin tumors. In this study, a preparation (BEC5) containing very low concentrations of BEC (0.005%) was shown to be effective in the treatment of basal cell carcinomas, squamous cell carcinomas, and keratosis. In this open study, clinical and histological observations indicated that all lesions (39 basal cell carcinomas, 29 squamous cell carcinomas, and 56 keratoses) treated with BEC5 Cream had regressed. A placebo formulation had no effect on a smaller number of treated lesions. Further, BEC5 Cream had no adverse effect on the liver, kidneys or haematopoietic system. (Topical treatment of malignant and premalignant skin lesions by very low concentrations of a standard mixture (BEC) of solasodine glycosides; Cancer Lett. 1991 Sep; 59(3): 183-92.)

A double-blind, randomized, and placebo-controlled study published in 2008 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173610 concluded that BEC5 Cream is a safe therapy for basal cell carcinoma, with a cure rate of 66% at 8 weeks and 78% at 1-year follow-up. (Solasodine glycoalkaloids: a novel topical therapy for basal cell carcinoma. A double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, parallel group, multicenter study; International Journal of Dermatology 2008, 47, 78-82.)

A study published in 2011 http://file.scirp.org/Html/20-2100171_7563.htm showed that the topical application of BEC5 Cream is amazingly effective for treating large non-melanoma skin cancers, which were considered difficult to treat with conventional modalities, and produced incredible cosmetic results. (Topical Solasodine Rhamnosyl Glycosides Derived From the Eggplant Treats Large Skin Cancers: Two Case Reports; International Journal of Clinical Medicine 2011; Vol. 2 No. 4; pp. 473-477.)

A study published in 2012 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22460423 showed that the active ingredients in BEC5 Cream (solasodine glycosides) “have been proved to be very important anti-cancer agents.” (Synthesis of solasodine glycoside derivatives and evaluation of their cytotoxic effects on human cancer cells; Drug Discov Ther. 2012 Feb; 6(1): 9-17.)

BEC5 Cream was also the subject of a book by Dr. Bill E. Cham, Ph.D. http://www.bec5creamdirect.com/pages/History.html?CaseStudies-DrBillCham called The Eggplant Cancer Cure. A Treatment for Skin Cancer and New Hope for Other Cancers from Nature’s Pharmacy (©2007, published in the United States of America, Library of Congress Control Number 2007933714).

Here is a video of one case study https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdNVj6jy5E. This man was diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma on his forehead, which he left untreated for a couple of years. He was told he needed to undergo fairly extensive surgery to remove the carcinoma, but he opted to try BEC5 Cream first. In this 4-minute time-lapsed video, he documents his experience using BEC5 Cream.

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Originally posted by mandyyy

Of course this forum is for people who have had bad experiences with curaderm - it's not currently approved or endorsed by the medical professional AT ALL! People want to know if it's a scam, so they do their amateur research on forums like these hoping to find the truth of the products success. There is enough damming reports on this forum for people to decide for themselves. And Dr Cham.. is making a lot of money out of his product with a lot of false claims. I ask everyone to read this: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-oz-revisited/ (scroll to eggplant cure for cancer)

If you want to have a forum for "good experiences of curaderm" then please get Dr. Cham to keep improving curaderm and get it approved for sale (properly- outside of vanuatu!). Then we wouldn't need this discussion at all - because if it really worked, we would all know about it and sing its praises. I would LOVE for a cream to be successful in removing cancer - i do hope one day there is a breakthrough and we all get to do a happy dance. We are all batting for the same team Howardz43 - we want a non surgical cure skin cancer that has the same (medically proven) success rate as MOHS surgery of 98%. Until then I would never endorse a cream that had such a high rate of failure and causing people so much hurt and upset, even if I believed it had worked for me. I care about people - not curaderm.
On a separate note, do you know if Dr Cham is doing ongoing research for his cream? or has he stopped?


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gibsontown

USA
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Mandy, you are right. After a year of trying to remove a SMALL bcc on the side of my nose, I've decided that the problem with Dr. Cham is he absolutely refuses to accept that his product is not 100% effective on all basal cell cancers.

When I began to decide that after 2 treatments (12, then 22 weeks)(the cancer was CLEARLY still there and growing much more aggressive, Dr. Cham refused to agree. He insisted I get a biopsy to 'prove' the cancer was not healed, though the area was open, bleeding and weeping pus. I provided him the orig. biopsy and photos, and he still insisted the cancer was gone!

Both times he pronounced me cured and cancer-free, and it looked so for a short while, but both times the cancer returned even more aggressively).

I totally regret spending so much time with Curaderm.

Curaderm very well MAY work on many skin cancers - but I knew mine was deep (the pathology described it), and he insisted that '15,000 infiltrative BCCs just like yours have been successfully treated with Curaderm.'

The tumor removed from me just weeks after the 2nd insistence of being cured, was far larger than the small lesion that Curaderm opened up, and had a root larger (deeper) than a grain of rice. There is no way Curaderm reached that deep - I would have observed the lesion if it had.

I'm so grateful for those it has helped. Until Dr. Cham ACCEPTS the failure reports like mine, which I sent him asking him to apply to his research for the benefits of others making medical decisions about his product, he will only have a bunch of false claims.

It's unfortunate he isn't more honest about his research, because used on appropriate cancers, it sounds like a great treatment. Too many like myself wasted valuable time and ended up with more invasive surgeries than had we not tried a product that obviously can not address very deep infiltrative basal cell cancers.
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howardz43

USA
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Posted - 09/19/2014 :  12:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's really sad for me that I am so 'lucky,' I guess. My long, slow, whole body treatment using Curaderm, lasting about four years and involving MANY very deep, horrible-looking lesions, having 'sub-lesions,' and nearby lesions that gradually emerged later in the process, which I did not foresee coming, is nearing what appears to be successful completion. Although I think Dr. Cham should write more on the various aspects and challenges of undergoing and sticking to the treatment process in complex cases (I certainly could, but only from a lay person's non-medical perspective), I am grateful to him for developing his BEC5 cream. I’m even starting to get compliments from strangers on how good my skin looks relative to my chronological age. Poor me!

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Originally posted by gibsontown

Mandy, you are right. After a year of trying to remove a SMALL bcc on the side of my nose, I've decided that the problem with Dr. Cham is he absolutely refuses to accept that his product is not 100% effective on all basal cell cancers.

When I began to decide that after 2 treatments (12, then 22 weeks)(the cancer was CLEARLY still there and growing much more aggressive, Dr. Cham refused to agree. He insisted I get a biopsy to 'prove' the cancer was not healed, though the area was open, bleeding and weeping pus. I provided him the orig. biopsy and photos, and he still insisted the cancer was gone!

Both times he pronounced me cured and cancer-free, and it looked so for a short while, but both times the cancer returned even more aggressively).

I totally regret spending so much time with Curaderm.

Curaderm very well MAY work on many skin cancers - but I knew mine was deep (the pathology described it), and he insisted that '15,000 infiltrative BCCs just like yours have been successfully treated with Curaderm.'

The tumor removed from me just weeks after the 2nd insistence of being cured, was far larger than the small lesion that Curaderm opened up, and had a root larger (deeper) than a grain of rice. There is no way Curaderm reached that deep - I would have observed the lesion if it had.

I'm so grateful for those it has helped. Until Dr. Cham ACCEPTS the failure reports like mine, which I sent him asking him to apply to his research for the benefits of others making medical decisions about his product, he will only have a bunch of false claims.

It's unfortunate he isn't more honest about his research, because used on appropriate cancers, it sounds like a great treatment. Too many like myself wasted valuable time and ended up with more invasive surgeries than had we not tried a product that obviously can not address very deep infiltrative basal cell cancers.

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anivoc

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Posted - 09/20/2014 :  09:23:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Howard this thread is the main Curaderm thread... it is for Topical info visitors to come and express their experiences and opinions on using it...good or bad. It also ends up being a source for vistors seeking to make an informed decision about Curaderm on whether to use it or not

The fact that more people posting here are con rather than pro is just the way this thread has evolved. There is no conspiracy, there is no monetary stimulus other than when a few Curaderm sellers came here posing as members for a while.

I and others here have all said it is great that it worked for you. It didn't for us.

Just like you want people to know it works, we want to make sure people know how Curaderm is marketed is not really factual or honest.

One would think after reading the testimonies on the sites that sell the stuff...wow I am going to buy a few tubes of this stuff and my troubles are gone. Your four year journey of painful, expensive self treatment and STILL not being at the end of your journey is testimony to the reality of what one might expect using Curaderm as a treatment.
If they posted that kind of information on their site I can assure you their sales would easily drop in half immediately.

Imagine them posting a disclaimer something to the effect of this:

Buyers beware, though some people have complete success using just one tube, it is impossible to know exactly the extent of ones skin cancer or cancers, though Curaderm is very powerful and effective, it may take several years and thousands of dollars worth of the cream to eradicate all of your skin cancers dependent on the extent of skin damage you have.

That disclaimer is factual and the truth...and if that had been posted on their site I would have NEVER considered wasting over $500 on the stuff..there are way too many other faster, less expensive alternative treatments.

You're happy with it...cudos to you...you're a trooper.

Those of us that have tried other approaches either before or after trying Curaderm see it as a very over priced, very slow and painful less effective path of treatment that is sold deceptively.

When one feels they have been ripped off they can tend to be a bit more passionate as illustrated in this thread.

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gibsontown

USA
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Posted - 09/20/2014 :  10:27:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
4 years? this product claims 'nearly 100% with 12 week treatment.'

The honest way to market the product is to say to biopsy after a 12 week course.

It is unreal how long people are encouraged to stay the course with this product. Irresponsible.
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gibsontown

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Posted - 09/20/2014 :  10:30:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am sure the testimonies on the website are from those who just finished treatment, and have yet to wait 6 months to see if a lesion will open up again.

I myself provided a testimony, that after 9 months Curaderm did not work, and which type of BCC I was treating, and asked 3 times that my testimony ALSO be published, so buyers would have a more accurate view of the product. They have yet to acknowledge the request. I did get my free bottle of oil, as promised, for the negative report though.

At one point when I called, I asked if Curaderm ever failed to work for customers who called. I was told, 'yes, but usually only rarely if someone is allergic and cannot tolerate the treatment.' And of course, was encouraged to buy more, and keep going....
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