| Author |
 Topic  |
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
 Posted - 07/11/2008 : 00:12:56
|
Health Seekers;
Here is the method of curing skin cancers, as dictated by the Italian Doctor; Dr. Tullio Simoncini :
It is excerpted from : Mark Sircus Ac., OMD
Director International Medical Veritas Association
http://www.winningcancer.com/
------------------------------------------------------
Transdermal Medicine and Skin Cancer
Dr. Tullio Simoncini states, “update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
|
Edited by - drbeckl2 on 01/24/2010 21:51:34 |
|
|
anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 10:35:36
|
There are other threads on him here..
Some people say he is a quack some say he has helped them..
The key thing to remember is that when we say Doctors are "practicing" medicine there couldn't be a truer statement.
I'm not sure if he is a fraud or not some of the post here have been very negative against him..
I am using clear iodine ( once ) every day on my AK's and they seem to be at least being held at bay. I have not tried the 15 to 20 times a day method.. I will try it on one of my lesions and report back.
|
 |
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2008 : 00:19:09
|
info from FANTA, on this forum:
============================================================
Fanta
Netherlands
4 Posts
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 09:34:31
Hello Dan,
On Dr. Tullio simoncini's website you can read how he treats skincancer.
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl |
Edited by - drbeckl2 on 01/24/2010 21:52:59 |
|
|
|
drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 17:04:00
|
update and new information for this thread;
from a post on this message board:
----------------------------------
Skin Cancer Forum
Skin Cancer Forum
Skin Cancer Forums at Topicalinfo.org
Skin cancer topical treatments
ALL CANCERS ARE FUNGUS - CURE KNOWN New Topic
RalphWhitleySr
USA
2 Posts
Posted - 10/29/2008 : 20:39:29
Dr. Tullio Simoncini treats Skin Cancer using a special formula available in any Pharmacy in Italy plus most Compound Pharmacies can make up 1 ounce or 8 ounce solutions. I cannot use Alcohol at 45 or 85 percent because it cracks my skin so we only use distilled water with the formula.
Dr. Simoncini gave this formula to me today:
The formula is
7 grams iodine
5 grams potassium iodide
5 mls distilled water
alchool to reach 25 mls
All the best
Tullio Simoncini
Obviously the formula is for a 1 ounce or 30 mls bottle. Not sure how to measure the amounts necessary to have an 8 ounce bottle made up but do recommend ALL shake any bottle with the solutions before application. We bought 2 percent solutions from CVS and Walgreens plus even Supermarkets to get the applicator and threw out the 2 percent with high alcohol solutions to use the bottles. We found perfect 2 ounce plastic bottles with applicators for $3.69 at a local Supermarket and bought two. Remember in America only a DEA Licensed Pharmacist can make up the solution 7 percent with 5 percent Potassium Iodide --- Something normally ordered from a Compound Pharmacy by Prescription from a doctor often required.
Remember also that being a FUNGUS one must take special care washing family clothing to use granular bleach to kill FUNGI plus be sure to find something like 'MOLD ARMOR' to spray on your showers or tubs. I have asked Dr. Simoncini to provide the formula for destroying all Cancer inside the body by spraying like lung or rectal tumors or injection by Catheter or Syringe for internal organ tumors. Dr. Simoncini cures BREAST CANCER in 4 days using Sodium Bicarbonate or perhaps best known as ARM AND HAMMER BAKING SODA type solutions of perhaps 5 percent with distilled water.
DO PASS ALONG THE CANCER CURE INFORMATION FOR SKIN AND INTERNAL !
I have asked the Nobel Prize Committee to award Dr. Tullio Simoncini the Nobel Prize for Medicine for his discovery and cure techniques PLUS we sent him to a web site www.apfn.org/apfn/du.htm to see how one can translate his web site into 48 or 50 Languages.
Thank you for allowing me to join the group. My skin Cancer treatment is worth the effort and with help applying drops to hard to reach areas 20-30 times a day TWICE A DAY the scabs are coming off and areas CURED !
Ralph Charles Whitley, Sr.
A Decorated American Veteran
4532 W. Kennedy Blvd. PMB-276
Tampa, Florida 33609-2042
102908
backflow.prevention@verizon.net
RalphWhitleySr
USA
2 Posts
Posted - 10/29/2008 : 21:04:56 Show Profile
Forgot ONE ITEM --- Skin with HAIR should be shaved either with an electric razor or razor if you do not cut the skin before commencing the treatment with solution. Usual dose requires dabbing with applicator 20-30 times TWICE A DAY for 5 days and taking usual showers or baths until the scab forms and falls OFF. Do not PULL on the scabs because they are usually attached to good skin in areas and it will pull off layers of good skin causing pain and bleeding. After the first scab comes off then keep up the teatment ONCE A DAY still applying 20-30 drops until the second scab falls off then the skin should only stain with the solution and it is declared CURED.
Sorry we forgot that small item about hair causing the scab to stay put longer.
Ralph Charles Whitley, Sr.
-------------------------
dan
285 Posts
Posted - 10/31/2008 : 00:00:28
Thanks for the Simoncini skin cancer treatment recipe Ralph! Do you know what type of alcohol is recommended?
Personally, I would steer clear of isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and go with Everclear or vodka.
Dr Simoncini's internal cancer treatment methods using sodium bicarbonate are very controversial and I am skeptical that they work.
But I do think skin cancers are often promoted by an underlying candida yeast (fungus) infection and an iodine based therapy may be quite helpful. Please let us know how your treatment works for you.
---------------------
|
|
|
|
Wellness Productions Co
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 21:45:13
|
DR SIMONCINI IN TYLER TEXAS MARCH 13-14 !!
Dr. Tullio Simoncini will be speaking in TYLER, TEXAS at the eTX Natural Wellness Expo, March 13-14. See details at www.AttendTheExpo.com Also speaking at this event is Doug Kaufmann of Know The Cause ! Tyler is 1.5 hours east of Dallas. This is an event you won't want to miss!!! |
|
|
|
ddfdinesh
1 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 02:41:11
|
Hi everyone,
i just wanted to ask if the iodine tincture is also useful to remove moles (benign melanoma) |
|
|
|
dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2009 : 02:00:41
|
| ddfdinesh, I hope you get some answers here, but in case you don't, there is a good forum on topical cures for moles at http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/moles.html People have tried apple cider vinegar (ACV), iodine, and garlic with some success. |
|
|
|
Ihf
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2009 : 16:20:12
|
Does anyone have any links to other sites explaining more in depth about Dr. Simoncini and his cancer therapies? Also curious as to why the sodium bicarbonate applied topically wouldn't be just as effective as the iodine solution? Also curious why it is necessary to add alcohol to the solution? Does it help to penetrate the layers of skin better?
|
|
|
|
Beatis
2 Posts |
|
|
jkguy
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 20:23:19
|
| As crazy as it seems. I've been reading up on all the crazy Cancer cures ever since my Mother had colon cancer 12 years ago. Just recently I had my doctor inform me that the sore on my back was a Basil Cell skin Cancer. He wanted to cut it out. I decided that since it was going to kill me but just keep growing that I would treat it myself with my own tincture or salve. I found that Cancer sites are starved for oxygen and that cancer can't survive in an alkaline envornment. So, I made my witches brew of Sodium Bicarbonate mixed in with a peroxide based tooth paste to make a salve. I used it every day for 60 days and the Basil Cell was gone. It's been 1 year since the treatment and you can't see any sign of scaring, discoloration or anything. Success! |
|
|
|
anitak
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 17:15:04
|
I am wondering if anyone knows of a doctor who would write a prescripton for this remedy. I know regular MD won't. Has anyone been able to get the ingredients and mix it up themselves?
Thank you,
Anita K |
|
|
|
LaneLester
21 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 15:55:55
|
quote:
The formula is
7 grams iodine
5 grams potassium iodide
5 mls distilled water
alchool to reach 25 mls
All the best
Tullio Simoncini
Remember in America only a DEA Licensed Pharmacist can make up the solution 7 percent with 5 percent Potassium Iodide
That recipe looks like a 23% iodine solution to me (7/30), but maybe I'm missing something.
I'd like to try this on a diagnosed skin cancer on my nose, but I doubt I'll be able to get the above recipe compounded. I was hoping OTC iodine tincture would do the trick, but I guess it's not concentrated enough. I might try it anyway.
I tried the "expensive bee sting medicine" cure from another thread on this forum, but I don't think it accomplished anything.
Lane |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 16:43:08
|
| First, I'm so thankful I found this website! I'm a 57yr-old Caucasian male that has suffered through the surgical and laser-based removal of basal skins cancers several times in the past. Being of Scottish descent, it's said we can get a sunburn from a moonbeam (joke). While perhaps not that extreme, I burned badly when outdoors. My father had 1/2 his nose removed and was scheduled to have an entire ear removed, but died of a heart attack before the doctors could further disfigure him. It seemd my similar future was inevitable. Over the past 3 - 4 years, I developed two large basal cell cancers on my left cheek. On the larger one, the visible cancer was the size of a dime and the smaller one perhaps 1/2 that size. However, the underlying, invisible area was twice as large on each. A surgical removal would probably require an excision the size of a U.S. quarter and need several stitches. No doubt, I would have been required to return later for plastic surgery and maybe more cancer surgery due to the likelihood of re-growth (which I found to be a common occurence based on past surgeries). Thank God, that scarring process won't happen thanks to this website and others I read associated with Dr. Simoncini. Here's what happened: I bought some 7% iodine tincture online and soaked the cancers 5 - 8 times each day. Unfortunately, I burned my skin because tincture contains alcohol. My skin itched, burned, peeled and the overall experience was unpleasant. But I continued because the alternative would be even more intolerable. When I first applied the tincture, the cancers became very inflamed. In fact, the areas rose up and seemed to double in size. That's because I wasn't aware of how much cancer was invisible under the skin. When it rose above the surface, it looked horrible. Quite large, angry red and splitting open. Believe me, you don't want to use iodine tincture unless you really enjoy pain. Out of sheer desparation, I Googled for iodine that didn't contain alcohol. That's how I found Lugol's 5% solution. This stuff is expensive ($25 shipped for 1 ounce), but it's worth every penny. The pain level is perhaps 1/10 of what it is when there's alcohol and it also works just as well on the cancer. I started this entire iodine regimen 3 weeks ago. Two weeks using the iodine with alcohol (don't do that) and 1 week with Lugol's. I'm so excited I can't stand it! My larger cancer is now 1/5 the original size and the smaller one is about the same size as that (I started it later). It's gone from roughly the size of a nickel to smaller than the end of a pencil eraser in just three weeks. Even better, the skin around it looks brand new without any scarring. According to what I read in various websites about the miracle of iodine, it heals from the bottom up, not the top down. That means its healing may not be seen initially, but because it heals the bottom layers of skin first, there's no scarring. Now for some basic instructions: (1) buy Lugol's - I bought mine directly from their website; (2) apply it LIBERALLY directly on the cancer and around the perimeter (the further out you go, the better); (3) apply at least 5 - 10 times per day and don't let a day pass; (4) DO NOT PICK the scab!! If you do, it may leave a scar and also take longer to heal. It will also burn like crazy when you apply the iodine the enxt time - so DON'T DO IT; (5) if you have to go out, where a band-aid while you're out and remove it as soon as you return home. It needs the air exposure because you're fighting Candida which hates oxygen. So let it breathe and the Candida will die faster; (6) take 1 drop of Lugol's in water every day to help kill the Candida in your gut; (7) get a good probiotic like Culturelle and take it every day. Do all this, and your skin cancers will disappear. I can say that with confidence based on what I've seen and personally experienced. Now one last comment: you probably have skin cancers (and perhaps other issues) because of Candida. So if you want to avoid future problems, you must knock back the Candida level in your body. Candida loves yeast and sugar. If you take an antibiotic, any Candida you already have will explode and create severe allergies, arthritis, diabetes, lupus, on and on. Candida is perhaps the single biggest health problem in America. So I won't go into what you need to do to get rid of it, but I strongly recommend you Google the info and take the right steps to knock it back. That's what I've been doing these past 3 weeks and I haven't felt this good in years. So good luck and I hope my personal experience helps someone else. Pay it forward! |
|
|
|
LaneLester
21 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 17:18:55
|
Chuck, I'm glad to learn about your good experience.
I finished treating a small cancer on my nose with 7% tincture I got from an Amazon.com store: http://www.amazon.com/Humco-strong-iodine-tincture-mild/dp/B000GCLU6K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1278364344&sr=8-2
The dermatologist removed most of the cancer for the biopsy, so there was only a small place left when it healed. There's tiny bump after the iodine treatment, so I'm watching it to see if it changes.
For anyone's information, "Lugol's" is not a brand, but rather an old recipe used in science labs for a very long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugol's_iodine
I'm glad to learn that it worked for you, and if I get a larger cancer (I've had several) I may use it instead of the tincture.
Lane |
Edited by - LaneLester on 07/05/2010 17:23:48 |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 09:19:53
|
Hi Lane,
Thank you for your post in response to mine. Yes, the Lugol's ia an old recipe. If you buy Lugol's, a particular company called J. Crow's Marketplace appears to be a primary supplier which is where I bought mine. Here's the link for the 5% iodine:
http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1ozlugolssolution5valuepriceincludesshipping.aspx
I found it on Amazon and some other websites, but they all show the same J. Crow label so I simply bought it from the supplier versus going through a middle man. It was roughly the same price either way.
As for the 7% iodine tincture you mentioned, that's actually the one I initially purchased because Dr. Simoncini suggest using a 7% level of iodine. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a 7% solution that didn't contain alcohol. So I bought the Humco product you mentioned and it was the one I mentioned in my first post that burned the fire out of me.
I bought the Lugol's hoping it would be a high enough level of iodine and it seems to work quite well and is far less painful. Although the Lugol's is much more expensive than the Humco iodine, the lower pain level I experience is well worth the difference. I also remind myself that it's a fraction of the cost of surgery. Especially cosmetic surgery to repair scars.
As for the remaining spot you mentioned, I would highly recommend using the Lugol's on that as soon as possible. After reading everything I can find concerning skin cancers and Candida, I've decided to aggressively and proactively treat anything and everything I see as soon as it appears. Frankly, I now enjoy the feeling of being empowered versus years of feeling "victimized by so-called genetics" as conventional medicine would have us believe.
I thank God for Dr. Simoncini's courage and recommend everyone check out his interviews on YouTube. The man is an intelligent, compassionate oncologist specializing in the treatment of children's cancer using conventional methods and after seeing so many die, he prayed God would show him the true cause of cancer. Well, apparently his prayer was answered and that's how he realized Candida is the common denominator. The reason cancer returns so often is because the Candida colonies weren't completely eradicated. The colony returns and creates "neoplasms" in or near the same area. So when you treat these skin cancers, you must perform the applications daily and multiple times and keep doing it for several days AFTER the skin surface looks normal. Otherwise, the Candida will re-group and you'll have to fight them over and over. Bottom line: nuke 'em.
Sorry for these lengthy posts, but how you know new converts can't shut up :-) Good luck to all and thank you again Lane.
Chuck |
|
|
|
LaneLester
21 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 11:27:56
|
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckAs for the remaining spot you mentioned, I would highly recommend using the Lugol's on that as soon as possible.
OK, Chuck, you talked me into it. I just placed my order with J.Crow. It was actually $5 cheaper, I think, because shipping was free there.
I paid a new dermatologist $400 to find out the spot was cancer, and then I didn't have any more money for the surgery. $25 for a bottle of Lugol's is something I don't have to think very long about.
Lane |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 11:36:06
|
Good for you Sir! If your experience is like mine, you won't be sorry. Please stay in touch.
Chuck
|
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2010 : 23:21:41
|
Chuck, I have been treating a bcc for 20mths with curaderm , its got no skin on it , its about 8cm. dia.Operated 3times previously,I keep it covered with micropore.Can I get Lugols over the net? Please reply .
River |
Edited by - river on 09/20/2010 17:30:32 |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 09:05:30
|
quote:
Originally posted by river
Chuck, I have been treating a bcc for 20mths with curaderm , its got no skin on it , its about 80cm. dia.Operated 3times previously,I keep it covered with micropore.Can I get Lugols over the net? Please reply .
River
River, yes you can buy Lugols online here
http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1ozlugolssolution5valuepriceincludesshipping.aspx
I'm not sure about international shipping so if there's a problem, just Google Lugols and your country and see if someone has it in your area. The key is (1) make sure there's no alcohol in it and (2) you need a 5% iodine level to quickly kill the Candida which is causing the visible skin problem.
BTW since my last post, one of my two skin cancers has entirely disappeared (took about 5 weeks) and the other is almost gone (treated it for 4 weeks). BUT, I plan to continue the iodine treatment for another 3 - 4 weeks to make sure the Candida colonies are 100% dead. Very important if you don't want a re-occurance.
Chuck |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 23:54:47
|
| Thanks Chuck,I got some Aqueous Iodine Solution APF contains iodine 5% w/v, potassium iodide 10% w/v,Biotech Pharma Pty. Ltd.83 Cherry Lane,Laverton North, Victoria, Australia.(if anyone wants to know). This morning I washed my lesion down with Sodium Bicarbonate, dried it, then applied iodine to an area about 3cm. dia. applied curaderm to the rest, and covered it with micropore as usual. The area with iodine was stinging on a scale of 1-10,about 7, for 45 mins. I dont think I could bear the pain if I applied it all over 8cm. Does it need to form a scab before applying the iodine? Any comments would be much appreciated, River. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2010 : 03:40:00
|
Hi River. First, my own experience is recent and limited. My bcc's were smaller and didn't have the rawness you've described. I'm not a doctor and certainly no expert on treating large lesions, so take my advice as another source of input and not as Gospel. You'll need to judge the best direction for yourself, but if it were me and based on what you've described so far, I would (1) avoid covering the lesion, (2) avoid getting it wet unless absolutely necessary, and (3) allow the scab to form completely. This may take several days. If possible, you need to allow the lesion to dry out as much as possible to reduce the pain level when you begin the iodine treatment. Once it's scabbed over with a THICK covering, lightly apply the iodine in a small section like you initially did and see if the pain level is now tolerable. It's still going to burn, so I would have a fan handy to blow air on the area immediately following the application. Continue applying the iodine at least 5 - 6 times per day increasing the area as you can handle it. The lesion will appear to get worse before improving because it's going to react to the iodine. While you're treating it (which will probably take perhaps 8 - 12 weeks), make sure to keep it dry and uncovered. River, I don't have to tell you that this is a very large lesion. Probably larger than 95% of those posted on this iodine website. If after 4 weeks of treatment you don't at least BEGIN to see some improvement, then consider seeing Dr. Simoncini in Italy for professional treatment. I wish you the very best and pray this immensely helps.
Chuck |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
|
|
marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2010 : 13:14:12
|
| Chuck, I dont understand,iodine or bob's bakeing soda.The video shows the iodine but the other sites are about the baking soda. Are you taking the one drop of iodine a day? Or are you taking the one tea. of bob's banking soda in a glass of hot water first thing in the morning. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2010 : 14:13:06
|
The video shows a patient of Dr. Simoncini that was cured of a very large skin lesion on his scalp using iodine. Dr. Simoncini uses baking soda to kill Candida which according to his research causes cancer. He applies the baking soda internally for most types of cancer. However, he advises using iodine for the skin cancers. If you or someone you know has skin cancers, then you could choose to follow his advice on iodine. If the cancer is located in any other organ, you could choose to follow his advice about baking soda. I have no direct knowledge of the baking soda regimen. I've only treated my own basal cell cancers and one is now gone and the other is almost gone. It worked for me. I suggest you review this site for more information http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/. If you wish to know how I applied the iodine, then you should read my first post on this blog site.
Chuck |
|
|
|
marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 22:40:47
|
| Well Chuck,I read about skin cancer on Dr.Tuillio Simoncini site.He talks about putting the baking soda under the scab, between the first and second session of application.I must have deeper liesions than you. I stopped using petty spurge on one of my spots, and switshed over to iodine. I have used the baking soda with that. The first scab came of and now I'm doing round 2.So far I like the Iodine method better than other things, but am still not sure. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 22:56:57
|
| Chuck, Thanks very much for the info and video,sorry about the delay,I am trying to get the speakers working on the computer. I have started bathing my lesion with the carb soda and have noticed a slight improvement.I will talk to you soon,thanks,River |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 22:59:45
|
| Chuck, Thanks very much for the info and video,sorry about the delay,I am trying to get the speakers working on the computer. I have started bathing my lesion with the carb soda and have noticed a slight improvement.I will talk to you soon,thanks,River |
|
|
|
marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 23:11:51
|
| River did you read the post by Bestis? She has some post of people who gave rats baking soda and it made the cancer grow. That scared me, so I stopped useing the baking soda. Maybe you could read that blog and tell me what you think, being that sometimes when I'm panicing I miss things. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2010 : 23:47:54
|
| Marsha,I ve been using Bi carb soda to rinse my lesion twice a day and have noticed improvement.I will keep on treating it and let you know.Dont be confused with Bicarbonate of soda {sodium bicarbonate] and Baking powder or Baking soda.Baking powder contains sodium bicarbonate plus other ingredients. My wife was reading a book on caring for roses,one treatment for fungal diseases was to spray with a mixture of bicarb soda and oil.Dr.Simoncini says cancer is a fungus. Regards River |
|
|
|
marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 09:58:55
|
| River, I looked it up on the net,what I read is that they are the same thing. I have used bobs baking soda on plants for mold. I think the test would be that when your finished, put petty spurge, curaderm or that orange oil that Dan talks about on the spot and see if you get a reaction. I used the iodine for 6 days washing with bicarb every day, the scab fell off,then I put on more Iodine,for 2 days, then I read about that experiment, got scared and went back to curaderm,to soften the scab. But curaderm is to painful, and to get anywhere I have to use it 7 times a day. So I went back to petty spurge. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 10:06:14
|
| I want to follow-up on River's last post and mention something about the cancer / fungus connection. My two basal spots are visibly gone now. Looking at me, you'd never know I had them. In fact, neighbors that had us over for dinner last night were amazed. But I want to mention some things that I find interesting. First, I live in Texas and it's the summer which means it's hot with penetrating sunshine. I work out of my home and rarely emerge into the sun for more than a few minutes. I'm white as a ghost. Before I began iodine treatments, I would notice something odd. I could be outide for a few hours and within days notice I had small bumps all over my face. I had some unique soap (Miricle II) I'd use that would cause these to eventualy disappear. Sometimes when I didn't treat them quickly enough, they'd erupt into a bcc type sore. It would then take weeks for the soap to make them go away. I wondered how a "cancer" could form and then disappear so fast IF it was treated. When I began treating my bcc with iodine, the unseen portions became quite visible. In fact, the bcc's appeared to double in size and honestly it scared me. I was uncertain as to continue or now, but I took a chance and kept applying the iodine. It's important to understand that the iodine didn't create more cancer, it simply exposed what was already there. Although my bcc are invisible to the eye, I'm still treating the entire area (including surrounding area) daily. Here's the odd thing. About 5 - 6 small bumps have emerged. I believe they're fungal colonies that are still trying to survive. When I treat them, they emerge for perhaps 4 - 6 hours and then disappear. They get smaller each time. I went so long before treating my bcc, that I feel there was a fairly large fungal infestation on that whole side of my face. So my treatment has evolved from treating the "spots" to now treating the root cause. I'm also taking Iodoral which is a pill version of the Lugols 5% iodine. I also take a good probiotic to address the fungus (mainly Candida Albicans) in the gut. A sinusitis condition I developed several years ago is disappearing. It had gotten so bad that my ethmoid and sphenoid sinuses were affecting my vision by choking my optic nerve (seriously). That condition is being corrected. Bloating, indigestion, aching joints are also being resolved. My point is this. fungus is largely ignored by the American Medical community because they focus on bacteria. When they prescribe penicillin to treat infections, they perhaps resolve one issue, but unknowingly create a host of other problems which stem from aggressive outbreaks of fungus. When fungus (mold) is found in a home or business, people treat it wearing safety suits. The home is taken apart, the mold treated and a thorough inspection is conducted to certify the home as "safe for habitation". Yet no one is really examining the fungus invasion that occurs in the human body. We know it occurs because people who live in moldy homes have many health issues. Dr. Simoncini, a pediatric oncologist, has apparently realized the fungus / cancer connection. This is not a quack who never got a medical degree or treated cancer in the orthodox methods. He did all that and over years decided that the results weren't as good as the medical community would have us believe. Personally, I think he will be remembered in the same way as Louis Pasteur, Jonas Salk and others who changed medicine's mindset in a profound way. No doubt they, as he is now experiencing, were subjected to ridicule and harsh judgement. Yet we now owe those men many thanks. So to conclude, treating fungus is not a quick-fix solution (I'm now discovering). Yes, you can see spots disappear in a few weeks or months, but if you don't "settle in the for long-haul", they'll come back. Like us, these Candida fungi are living cells and they fight to survive. One side will win and we have to aggressively treat them to make sure it's us. I'm excited about River's beginning signs of improvement. His situation is more profound than mine and so his approach may need to be different. I didn't use bicarbonate. I just used iodine. Dr. Simoncini suggests bicarbonate for many types of cancers and iodine for topical treatment. Since both are anti-fungal agents, I assume either will work, but perhaps the difference is that iodine adheres to the skin easier than bicarbonate (no flaking). My point is this. The fungus has to be killed in order for the "fungal reaction we call cancer" to be cured. As Dr. Simoncini explains, fungus is very adaptable and can adjust to complex forms of anti-fungal medications. So he does not recommend just any fungus treatments. He's very specific about using bicarbonate or iodine. So that's the regimen I would personally follow until someone else can prove there's a better way. It's working beautifully for me and as they say "a person with an opinion is no match for a person with an experience". Here's a link to a video interview with Dr. Simoncini I feel everyone should see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQuODiMlUsc |
|
|
|
Steven_Canada
Canada
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 10:25:42
|
Let me start off my first message on this site with a big thank you to Chuck. I have been having an outbreak of a fungus on my (its a bit embarrassing) on the tip of my penis and a massive outbreak on my testicles due to a long bike ride which massively abraded the skin. I am extremely clean, monogamous, so its source is up for debate.
Why thank chuck? Because, I believe in Simoncini's theory that cancer is/or is the result of fungus. So I started using Iodine to clear up this fungus. But, oh my god, it hurt. I have great pain tolerance. I played hockey with a torn ligament using a brace, and can block out pain quite well. To other readers, please please be very careful with the type of Iodine. I had to give up on using iodine because the pain was 10 out of 10. I came close to passing out a few times. Wow.
I tried baking soda (which also hurt), borax (not boric acid), even over the counter stuff (bleh). But still wanted to believe I could use Iodine. I googled again, and found Chuck's comment about the alcohol causing the pain! A light went off.
There is almost no where to buy it (lugol's solution here) so I hit on a solution for everyone to consider.
I took my 2.5% solution (iodine 25 mg/ml + potassium iodide 25 mg/ml in Ethyl alcohol and purified water totaling 25 ml bottle), and boiled off the alcohol (boiling point of Ethanol is 78.3 celcius) and water in a double boiler (which was a glass bowl sitting in a pot of water). After which, I put in 9 ml of distilled water, which results in around a 7% solution.
I hope my at home solution may help others, as it quickly permits us to buy normal iodine and convert it to a less painful and more useful solution. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 00:06:35
|
Chuck,I've started using iodine on my 9cm lesion 7 days ago. Everything is going to plan so far.But I have one question, is it normal for pale yellow fluid to intermittantly ooze out of cracks in the crust? There is a thick scab covering 90% of my lesion.
The pain was severe at the start,but now it is moderate and doesnt last long ,maybe 5mins. If this works I will be so happy that Dan has provided this forum,Dr. Simoncini has shared his knowledge and you ,Chuck ,are there to help us. Please reply.Regards ,River. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 10:39:25
|
Hi River,
First, it's good to hear from you again and am glad you're using the iodine for treatment. In response to your question concerning the yellow seepage, I'm afraid I can't knowledgeably explain that since I didn't have any while treating mine. However, my bcc's were smaller (about the size of a US quarter) and they weren't raw when I started. But, they did react quite noticeably once I had beem treating them for a few days. As mentioned previously, they appeared to grow, raised up, became raw and cracked. So things appear to get worse before they get better. Although I can't say for certain, this may be what you're seeing. A doctor might be able to look at it and tell or perhaps run a lab test. Although I can't give you advice (I don't have a medical degree), if it were me, I'd continue using the iodine for at least one more week and see if the seepage continues. If it does, you might visit a local doctor. When my bcc's reacted to the iodine, the "angry" appearance lasted perhaps 1 - 2 weeks and then it seemed to reverse almost overnight. It was pretty weird how suddenly it began to go into a "healing phase" following the "scary phase". So if it were me, I'd continue for at least another week and see if it settles down or notceably improves. Wish I could help more, but that's all I can offer given the long-distance apart from each other. Best of luck! Chuck |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 11:04:00
|
I've posted several times to this great blog, but thought it might help if I listed my personal regimen for bcc treatment in case it helps someone. So here's what I did:
1) I purchased Lugols 5% iodine (DO NOT USE ALCOHOL BASED IODINE)
2) I liberally applied the Lugols iodine to the bcc and ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
3) I applied the iodine by literall using the applicator's tip and painting a heavy saturation onto the skin. Watch out for drips because few things stain like iodine. But get the area as soaked as you can.
4) If your bcc is raw, it will burn. If it's not raw, it may not burn the first day or so, but it will begin to burn once the bcc reacts.
5) Apply the iodine at least 3 - 5 times a day. Always make sure you're covering not only the bcc, but also the surrounding area.
6) Expect an angry reaction to breakout at the bcc locations. In fact, you may see bumps and spots you didn't know were there. Those are likely "future bcc's" that would have manifested in the future. Apply iodine to all of those too.
7) When the bcc's get an angry appearance, they'll rise up, turn red, perhaps bleed and even crack. There will be some pain when you apply iodine, but hang in there. The pain is tolerable for most and you can fan the area. It usually settles down after a few minutes.
8) The "angry phase" lasted about 7 - 10 days for me. I was nervous, but kept going since I didn't want severe scars on my face.
9) When it goes into a "healing phase", it will probably occur somewhat suddently and unexpectedly. The raised, red, cracked appearance begins to heal and does so fairly rapidly. Don't SLACK OFF ON TREATMENTS! If you do, the bcc will grow back.
10) Plan on treating the area until it's smooth and totally clear, In fact, it's best to treat it for days after it's completely clear. You're killing a fungus and even a few of these critters will multiply and attack later. So hunker down for the long-haul and kill them all so you don't have to do this again.
11) During the treatment phase, your skin will dry out, peel, feel tender, look bad, so on. If you have to go out, do your best not to cover the area. If you do cover it, look for any opportunity to expose it to air whenever you can. Remember, fungus hates air.
12) Finally, do not pick any scabs! It will only make the process more painful and could leave a scar. So leave the scabs alone. They will fall off once your skin heals. You can shower, but DO NOT USE MOISTURIZER. The oil / cream seems to feed the fungus. It will set you back for days. Soap is OK, but be careful. I personally use Miracle II.
Well, that's how I did it and mine are 100% healed and my skin looks great with no scars.
Good luck to all!
Chuck
P.S.: To find Lugols or see Dr. Simoncini, just read my previous entries.
P.S.S.: I am not a doctor, have no vested interest in any purchases and am only doing this out of gratitude for the owner of this website and others who have make invaluable contributions which led me to my healing. |
|
|
|
Steven_Canada
Canada
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 20:06:37
|
make your own, diy, homemade, lugol's solution 7.0% 7.5%
Buy normal iodine from store
pour into glass bowl
place glass bowl of iodine into pot of water
at medium temperature, boil off the liquid in the iodine, until only the deep brown iodine remains
remove glass bowl from pot of water
put desired amount of distilled water into the glass bowl
mix water and iodine
pour mixture into bottle
example:
25 ml - 2.5% iodine (iodine 25 mg/ml + potassium iodide 25 mg/ml + Ethyl Alcohol + purified water)
use 3 bottles (above), boil off ethyl alcohol and purified water
mix 25 ml of distilled water into the dried iodine (iodine + potassium iodide)
pour the total mixture into 1 of the original containers
label container as 7.5% lugol's solution |
|
|
|
marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 11:15:36
|
| Chuck, thank you for posting. Reading the post made me think about the one spot on my nostril that I used iodine on until it healed. It actually is still looking really good. The skin is smooth and there is no new activity. I also used Bob's banking soda on it at one or 2 different times. I still use bobs to wash my face. It makes it really smooth and soft. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 23:18:32
|
| Thanks for replying Chuck,I will keep you informed with the progress. Regards River. |
|
|
|
highvibe
9 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2010 : 12:30:08
|
quote:
Originally posted by river
Thanks for replying Chuck,I will keep you informed with the progress. Regards River.
Hi River, I just wanted to let you know if you check out the curaderm link, it says the yellow liquid oozing out of your scab is cancer cells dying. Yea! I'm treating a 2 inch bcc on my forehead with curaderm for the last month, and I have the yellow liquid residue every day. Now I'm supplementing with Iodine since I did the iodine skin patch test and realized I'm very low on Iodine and read somewhere that all cancer patients are low in iodine. Good Luck and I look forward to your update.
|
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2010 : 17:22:16
|
| Hi, highvibe.Thanks for your post.I did the same thing,I looked up some info in my cancema book,and found similar info.It said tumors which are two inches or greater in diameter almost always involve heavy weeping etc. Know this to be a normal part of the healing process. I'm now on my 13th day of iodine treatment,two thirds of the scab have come off so far,I'm starting to see some good results,the other part of the lesion that still has the scab on it is still weeping and the scab is starting to sink in as if its being eroded from underneath. I have followed Chucks instructions to the letter and I'm so thankful for his help. I'm using a perfume bottle with a pump spray thats refillable to apply the iodine,it's so easy.Please keep us informed about your treatment,hope it goes well. Regards River. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2010 : 10:11:58
|
| Hi River, I'm elated to hear of your improvement - the news made my day! I would like to encourage you and HIGHVIBE to consider photographing your current condition and the final results. My one regret is that I failed to do that myself. If you decide to do this, please take the photos from the same angle and lighting. I've read some skeptiic feedback on other sites that use non-repeated lighting and camera angles as proof of their skepticism. Chuck |
|
|
|
highvibe
9 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2010 : 14:15:27
|
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck
Hi River, I'm elated to hear of your improvement - the news made my day! I would like to encourage you and HIGHVIBE to consider photographing your current condition and the final results. My one regret is that I failed to do that myself. If you decide to do this, please take the photos from the same angle and lighting. I've read some skeptiic feedback on other sites that use non-repeated lighting and camera angles as proof of their skepticism. Chuck
River and Chuck, I'm supplementing INTERNALLY with the iodine at this point because Curaderm website says it should take 2 months to heal--now that I'm doing it properly--. I also bought the book and the graphic (yuck) pictures of skin cancers that were 100% healed gave me a boatload of hope. I tried Curaderm 4 years ago and didn't apply the tape properly or long enough. So I started a month ago after finding this site. I started with a misquito bump lump and now have this 2 inch "cavernous" hole on my forhead. I am praying it's getting smaller every day. (I think it is.)
You can google iodine skin test and there's great info on how everyone is depleted of iodine because of the chlorine and flouide in the water today......
Anyway I would definitely suggest doing the patch test and seeing if you're deficient. You'll read this on google pages but you take regular iodine from drugstore draw a 2" square on your inside fore arm and color it in with iodine. You then determin how long it takes to fade away. If it's gone under 8 hours you're really deficient. Then 12 hours -- You still need it. If it fades away after 24 - 48 hour you're OK. Mine faded away in 5 hours!
As far as pictures...maybe I'll get the courage to take some for show and tell. Thank you for all the encouragement. As we all know, it's pretty lonely out here. |
|
|
|
Randolf
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 18:20:54
|
| Thanks for your comments and information about the above. Is there a Curaderm website I can visit and read. I have two small locations of skin cancer on my shoulder, im a swimmer, and I am using some sodium bicarbonate for about a week topically. More of an observation exercise. Im thinking of where to go from here. Would the maple surup with SB be a good mixture, the peroxide toothpaste sounds reasonable also, any ideas for an effective topical salve other than iodine? |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2010 : 03:54:53
|
| Randolf,Thanks for your post.I personally think Cansema is the quickest and easiest to use on small lesions.I've taken out maybe 12 on my face and back very successfully and they have shown no hint of returning.Pain was minimal if any at all.Curaderm works well but it takes longer, I've only done two small ones with Curaderm and the very large one that I'm treating now with Iodine.I think it is too deep for the Curaderm to finish it off. The Iodine seems to be doing the job ,but it's still early days, I will definitely keep you posted. Curaderm does have a website ,curadermbec5global.com,I dont know if any other treatments work. Keep in touch , Regards River. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 07:16:25
|
| Chuck, I will give you an update on my iodine treatment. It's been two months now since I started using iodine.It's been fairly painful and messy but the good news is that it's WORKING. The oozing is fairly minimil now,it weeps and dries into scabs then comes off and repeats this process gradually clearing up and showing new skin very slowly. The pain on application is quite bearable now. There is about 25% new skin so far. As you can imagine I am extremely pleased. This is the first healing I've seen in two years.Prior to the iodine I was using Curaderm, which worked well but it couldn't get deep enough. I will be forever grateful for your help and that you responded to my post. Thanks again Chuck,Dan and Dr. Simoncini. Regards River. P.S. I will keep you updated. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 08:55:33
|
Hi River,
Thank you so much for providing this EXCITING NEWS, you certainly made my day (and week and month)! I was thinking about you last week, so this update came at an opportune time. I pray you have continued success!
Sincerely,
Chuck
P.S.: I too am thankful for this site. My bcc is gone with no sign of reoccurence in that area. I'm vigilant about signs in other areas and still have my bottle of Lugols ready if necessary :-) |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 01:02:58
|
| Chuck, thanks for replying. I was going to ask you how yours were going. I will post some photos some time in the near future, so keep posted. Regards River. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 16:13:45
|
| Chuck, I now have about 50% new skin showing. I've been treating it for 11 weeks. I've removed about 6 off my face also ,this has given me the confidence that the iodine does work. I've been applying it about 3 times a day.There are 3 areas where the cancer is much deeper , these will probably take a while to heal. Thanks again Chuck, regards River. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 20:29:33
|
Hi River,
Awesome news and thank you for staying in touch! As you can see, the iodine is quite effective. It takes perserverence, but the rewards are worthwhile. Your continued updates will no doubt be inspirational to many as they discover this blog now and in the future. Speaking on their behalf, I appreciate your updates and am excited about your continued improvements!
Sincerely,
Chuck
|
|
|
|
Mordon
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 10:15:01
|
| Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you! |
|
|
|
donell
USA
14 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 23:02:23
|
| That makes so much sense my ears and head have itching for months |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:39:05
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
HI,You need to ask for Iodine solution- iodine 5%,potassium iodide 10%,85% distilled water,regards River. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:57:06
|
| donell, small basal cell carcinomas are easily treated successfully with 5% iodine solution,with minimal pain.I have removed about 10 on my face so far. The large one on my back is about 70% healed after 3 months ,you can read the history in my posts. And please read Chucks posts , he is my mentor.Regards river. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 07:01:45
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
Mordon, the information I have given is for a solution you can use without altering ,regards River. |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 17:01:14
|
Is there such a thing as decolorized iodine without alcohol?
I have only found some with alcohol and the regular iodine without alcohol leaves quite a brown mark on the skin don't you think?
EDIT: I just went to the local drugstore (Canada) and they can order the Lugol for me. I did ask the pharmacist about decolorized iodine and she said the iodine is actually removed to make it clear. It still works as an antiseptic but there is no more iodine. I thought that was a ridiculous statement but actually how much iodine is in the decolorized version? |
Edited by - Mexico on 12/17/2010 20:01:59 |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 20:28:49
|
| Mexico,yes ,you can buy colorless iodine. I dont know anything about it. Regular iodine does leave a brown stain on the skin,but in my opinion I would rather put up with that than the cancer.I would encourage you to get the Lugols solution or a similar solution in another brand,5% iodine,10% potassium iodide,85% distilled water. I know this solution works.Regards River. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 22:41:40
|
Hi Mexico,
As for the staining effect, it usually lasts a fairly short time then disappears. Depending on various conditions, you might see a brown stain for maybe 15 - 30 minutes. The cancer's reaction to iodine will be visible for several days. So the stain really isn't an issue. There is colorless iodine, but as far as I know, there's none that's water-based. The colorless is alcohol-based and quite painful. I've also found it less effective even if the iodine strength is the same as the colored version (no idea why). As River recommended, you should use the Lugols 5% water-based Iodine. He and I have been through this process for awhile and are gaining some first-hand knowledge from personal experience. Good luck to you!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2010 : 18:33:55
|
All right I got started with Lugol few minutes ago. I made a complete mess on my face! My wife asked if that is the way I am supposed to do this. No! I said! I used a q-tips and WAY too much iodine ended up on my face . I'll be more careful in the future. I found that a little bit can cover a lot.
Finally I just went to a pharmacy in my neighborhood (In Canada) and they had it in stock. I paid $9 for a huge bottle. And that was it!
I'l keep you posted with my experiments... I have an appointment with the dermatologist in March. If all goes well I'll have nothing to show. That would be just fine with me. |
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2010 : 23:04:52
|
| Mexico, good to hear you got started,please keep us posted. I just bought a new 100ml.bottle and my daughter accidently dropped it on the tiled floor,what a waste. Regards River. |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2010 : 08:43:42
|
quote:
Originally posted by river
Mexico, good to hear you got started,please keep us posted. I just bought a new 100ml.bottle and my daughter accidentally dropped it on the tiled floor,what a waste. Regards River.
LOL - And what a mess! This stuff really stains!
I am treating one major spot on my face and 2 smaller ones. I must say I do look "funny" and I am meeting 2 people today. I am not sure what to say... :-)
To your health!
Happy Holidays to everyone on this very useful board! |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2010 : 18:19:47
|
It has been few days now and a scab in forming in 3 spots on my face. Maybe the Holidays is not the best time to begin this treatment if it is in your face. I am also treating one ion my back and nobody knows about it. :-)
I am glad this is working but I am not convinced about the theory part (Cancer being caused by candida). If that was the case wouldn't dermatologist prescribe mycostain type of cream? Wouldn't antifungics be effective?
As it is mentioned in Lugol literature "do not allow Lugol's to pool, as it's weak caustic nature can burn the skin if left" it appears that repeated application will cause a burn even on normal skin as many have mentioned in different posts on the Internet. So maybe the iodine is just burning the cancer cells - no candida involved. Of course that does not change the fact that it works. Just a thought...
EDIT: I just reread part of this thread. I think I am too anxious and in a hurry. I have been applying the Lugol too many times per day. I will limit it to 3 times and I will be careful not to overdo it with the quantity. Another site also mentions cutting it down to 2.5% to avoid the caustic effect on the skin. I just want to do it right and not damage my skin any further. |
Edited by - Mexico on 12/22/2010 19:25:21 |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2010 : 19:36:59
|
| Yes, the bcc and surrounding skin will react. As for timing with holidays, I certainly understand the awkwardness. I don't think a few days should make a big difference if you decide to postpone treatment until after New Year. But you should be mentally prepared to have a noticeable reaction. Please read my previous posts that describe my own experience. As for the strength, I personally don't know if a lower level of iodine will do the job. I can only vouch for the 5% and it worked great. Please keep in mind, this is no "walk in the park", but at least to me it was a far superior solution over a disfiguring surgery. That too is noticeable to onlookers, but on a more permanent basis and at more expense. But each person has to judge their best option. Good luck! |
|
|
|
anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 10:52:40
|
Chuck thanks for jumping in and sharing your experience and eventual success using iodine to rid yourself of BCC skin cancers. Your continued support and advice for folks like Marsha and River is where it makes all the work Dan has done here pay off. Just regular folks all in the same boat, lost in an ocean of conflicting and contradicting information trying to find our ways back to the land of healthy skin..metaphorically speaking :)
As Dan has stated before, for whatever reason it seems there is no one way to win this battle, what work's for some does not work for others.
Also anybody is able to post here and most all of us are not med school grads with good science based protocols..thus less than perfect data to be looking at.
Success's like yours, Dan's and hopefully River's are proof of the pudding..
To clarify ..
Are you sure what you had was BCC?
Were any of them biopsied?
This is important as it adds further credibility to the end result. Certainly most of us with lots of these don't need to get each one biopsied to know.."it's another one" ugh! Please just clarify..
At this point I have no idea if your protocol is the THE solution for all but it sounds promising. I did try Iodine before but it was the decolorized, alcohol based (painful) and I didn't go at it as aggressively as you. I will start trying it on one I have on my back beginning next year.
Since this thread has gone to another page I've copied and pasted your protocol instructions again below. If you have anything new to add to it just repost below. Thanks again for being such a proactive contributor here may you and all my friends here at Topical info have a Very Merry Christmas and may all of us be blessed with a clear path to healthy cancer free skin next year.
Chucks instructions from the previous page:
1) I purchased Lugols 5% iodine (DO NOT USE ALCOHOL BASED IODINE)
2) I liberally applied the Lugols iodine to the bcc and ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
3) I applied the iodine by literall using the applicator's tip and painting a heavy saturation onto the skin. Watch out for drips because few things stain like iodine. But get the area as soaked as you can.
4) If your bcc is raw, it will burn. If it's not raw, it may not burn the first day or so, but it will begin to burn once the bcc reacts.
5) Apply the iodine at least 3 - 5 times a day. Always make sure you're covering not only the bcc, but also the surrounding area.
6) Expect an angry reaction to breakout at the bcc locations. In fact, you may see bumps and spots you didn't know were there. Those are likely "future bcc's" that would have manifested in the future. Apply iodine to all of those too.
7) When the bcc's get an angry appearance, they'll rise up, turn red, perhaps bleed and even crack. There will be some pain when you apply iodine, but hang in there. The pain is tolerable for most and you can fan the area. It usually settles down after a few minutes.
8) The "angry phase" lasted about 7 - 10 days for me. I was nervous, but kept going since I didn't want severe scars on my face.
9) When it goes into a "healing phase", it will probably occur somewhat suddently and unexpectedly. The raised, red, cracked appearance begins to heal and does so fairly rapidly. Don't SLACK OFF ON TREATMENTS! If you do, the bcc will grow back.
10) Plan on treating the area until it's smooth and totally clear, In fact, it's best to treat it for days after it's completely clear. You're killing a fungus and even a few of these critters will multiply and attack later. So hunker down for the long-haul and kill them all so you don't have to do this again.
11) During the treatment phase, your skin will dry out, peel, feel tender, look bad, so on. If you have to go out, do your best not to cover the area. If you do cover it, look for any opportunity to expose it to air whenever you can. Remember, fungus hates air.
12) Finally, do not pick any scabs! It will only make the process more painful and could leave a scar. So leave the scabs alone. They will fall off once your skin heals. You can shower, but DO NOT USE MOISTURIZER. The oil / cream seems to feed the fungus. It will set you back for days. Soap is OK, but be careful. I personally use Miracle II.
Good luck to all!
Chuck
P.S.: To find Lugols or see Dr. Simoncini, just read my previous entries.
P.S.S.: I am not a doctor, have no vested interest in any purchases and am only doing this out of gratitude for the owner of this website and others who have make invaluable contributions which led me to my healing. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 11:55:07
|
Hi Anivoc,
On behalf of all who follow and / or contribute to this blog, thank you for the Christmas Greeting and words of support! I'm grateful for the site Dan established and I was fortunate enough to find. I've absolutely no doubt that I'd be celebrating this very Christmas season with a large scar across my right cheek had I not foudn this site a few months ago.
In response to your inquiry, I did not have the large bcc biopsied. The reason for that was because I had a lengthy history of bcc's and surgical removal (usually laser). They were located on my forehead, near the eyes and on my back and shoulders. As mentioned in an early post I submitted, my father was disfigured through continuous surgery on his bcc's. So it's a condition that runs in our family. It's the only drawback to being of Scottish descent :-)
So when the bcc on my right cheek began to grow and grow, I knew what was happening since it appeared exactly like the previous ones I had surgically removed. That's why I didn't bother with a biopsy. But I put off the surgery far too long and one day realized it had grown so large, that the surgery would be far more impacting than any previous surgery. This one was also deep and I could feel the effects all the way through the cheek into the inside surface of my mouth. So I became severely concerned about the scope of the excision since it's much larger than the actual bcc. I decided to look for a "natural solution" and after banging around Google for several hours, I fortunately found Dr. Simoncini's site discussing the possibility that cancer was caused by Candida (fungus). Much of what he said sounded logical for reasons I won't go into right now, so I decided to check out his recommendation for treating skin cancers. He suggested iodine, but there wasn't much detailed information about the application process and he also recommended it have alcohol in it (tincture).
Well, I figured I had nothing to lose and everything to gain if it worked so I bought a bottle of iodine tincture from Amazon (7%) and gave it a try for a few days. Needless to say, the pain was unbearable. Since this was my first rodeo, I wondered if someone made a non-alcohol version of iodine. Fortuntately, I discovered Lugol's and ordered it ($25). It was expensive, but I decided to give it one last try before throwing in the towel and going back to my dermatologist. After a couple of weeks and lots of doubts, I started to see a real change. I describe this in some previous posts so won't go into that here. After 5 - 6 weeks, my skin was smooth and free of any signs of bcc. I was (and still am) ecstatic!
As for the protocol, I have nothing else to add. I recently had another small bump appear near the spot I treated so I applied iodine to it for a few days and it's now gone. I was surprised how quickly it disappeared. I've had other small bcc's around my forehead that were also treated and another on my shoulder. They're all gone.
So here's my final comments:
1) I have no idea if iodine will work for everyone. I just know it worked for me and I'm thankful I went through the entire process and didn't give up.
2) I knew mine were bcc's because I had a history of treating them surgically. I have no idea how iodine will handle other types of skin cancers and I would advise extreme caution if you plan to treat sarcoma or melanoma. Those are dangerous and I personally wouldn't take a chance with self-treatment.
3) Treating bcc's is not an overnight, quick-fix. You have to be mentally prepared for at least 5 - 6 weeks of daily treatments. It can be frustrating at times, but I'm extremely glad I hung in there. My skin looks absolutely perfect where the bcc was located. No scars, lumps, discoloration, etc.
4) You will probably have to treat these again from time to time. Perhaps not in the exact same spot, but they do seem to return. But keep in mind, that happens even if you have them surgically removed. My father lost part of his nose, sections of cheek and was scheduled to have his entire ear removed just before he died of cardiac arrest. So "conventional methods" do not guarantee you'll never have another bcc. Even in the same spot. So the iodine will be a handy companion for the rest of my life.
So that's my overview. Again, I appreciate your Christmas greeting and also wish everyone a safe and cancer-free 2011.
Sincerely,
Chuck |
|
|
|
dan
611 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 14:01:46
|
| Thank you Chuck, this is a great result using Lugol's solution topically on skin cancer and also a very useful writeup of your experiences for others to follow. Like several other remedies, it is important to understand that initially the site will look worse and that 5-6 weeks are needed. I have made the topic sticky so hopefully we will get more feedback on this promising treatment. Merry Christmas! This is a nice present for us. |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 18:43:24
|
Hi Dan,
I feel I should be the one thanking you! I read your own testimony when I first found this site and was struck by your candor and humility. I was also moved by your tribute to David's conversion. Those that read this blog should benefit themselves by going to the home page of this site and reading Dan's own experience. As evidenced by the lives benefitted by this site, one man can make a difference!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2010 : 18:36:01
|
I would like to get some guidance from experienced users at this point.
I started with a very light iodine product on December 12th but it was way too light. Then I followed with a 5% alcohol solution. That was too harsh. On December 18th I began with Lugol. I believed I applied it too many times per day at first (8 to 10 times), then I did cut the applications to 3 times a day. Just before Christmas the dark scabs peeled off and the skin under looked good. I kept applying the Lugol solution and a new larger scab has formed now.
My fear is that the Lugol itself is burning the skin. Is that possible? I tried some on healthy skin and nothing happened - but I did not do it repeatedly. Should I expect that at one point that these scabs will fall off too and the skin under it will be fine?
I am confused about how much time the whole process is supposed to take and most especially I am wondering when is the time to actually stop the application.
I understand that if the BCC is 7 cm diameter it will take a longer time than if it is less than a pencil eraser size like mine are. All 3 spots are on the right side of my face and very apparent of course. I don't mind any of that but I want to make sure I am doing it right. I am known to have a tendency towards "overdoing" things in general. This is one area of my life where I do not want this behavior to prevail...
Any advice or comments will be appreciated. And I do realize that no one here is a professional. It is my own responsibility and judgement to choose what seems to offer the best option for my skin issues.
Thanks to everyone here and Happy Holidays to you all.
|
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2010 : 20:18:59
|
Hi Mexico,
First, I congratulate you on the continued effort to follow some recommendations on this site. Although this isn't a "professionally medical" treatment plan, there is some valuable anecdotal experience.
So here's what's probably happening with your treatment. The iodine is caustic to skin tissue that's affected by cancer. Like you, I went through several phases where the skin would react, peel and re-grow. Each time it did this, the raised areas caused by the bcc generally gets smaller. Not being a biomedical expert, I have no idea why it goes through this process, but based on what you described, it sounds like it's doing EXACTLY what mine did.
As for the frequency, I would continue applying it liberally at least 3 - 5 times per day. Ultimately, you're skin should reach a final phase of healing.
Here's how you'll know you're in the last phase: when you apply the iodine, the affected area has a darker stained color. In other words, good skin may be darkened by the iodine, but it's not as dark as the "core area" where the cancer is still present. As the skin sloughs off, the core gets smaller and smaller. Eventually, the core is non-existent. You'll know this when the iodine stain disappears and there's no darkened area (core).
But that DOES NOT mean you're through! Once there's no sign of a cancer core, it's crucial you continue the applications just as often as before for at least 2 - 3 more weeks. Doing that will help increase your chance that the bcc won't recover and manifest again. Please note, that's not a guarantee, but what you're doing with the continued treatment is lowering the possibility. It's during this final phase that you're nuking the final last cancerous cells so the area is totally clean DEEP within the skin tissue.
The purpose is not only to clear the immediate problem, but to do whatever you can to prevent future problems. But please keep in mind that the final phase is when most treatments fail. Not because the iodine isn't working, but because people get tired of treating the area after several weeks. So please don't slack up. Do it 2 - 3 more weeks after the core is totally gone.
Bottom line: based on you're description, you're getting good results and you simply need to keep liberally applying the iodine 3 - 5 times per day. The sloughing off is normal and it will get less and less as your skin heals. You're doing good so hand in there!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2010 : 23:09:56
|
Thanks for your very generous reply Chuck!
I am also a caucasian male - 59 years old - but from Irish descent, and French Canadian since the 1700. Reddish/blond hair (mostly white now haha) and very light skin makes me a good candidate for sun related skin problems. I live in Northern Quebec Canada but I have traveled and worked extensively for many years in Latin America including in every country in Central America, often being all day in full sun without any protection - dumb I know, but I did not have any problems until just few years ago and unlike you no one in my family ever had skin cancer. Come to think of it an aunt had a small spot on her face about 30 years ago, she is 86 now and never had others. My father who was a major sun worshipper never had any skin issues.
I started having a couple of AKs around 56 and I had 4 burned on my face with liquid nitrogen since then. It went very well. But if if I look closely at my skin I can see more problems in the future and would love to find a solution I can apply myself when needed. My MD is certain that one of the 3 spots I am treating with Lugol is a BCC but I have had no biopsy and the dermatologist appointment is only in March. The 2 other spots are "suspicious" according to my MD. All 3 spots have reacted the exact same way to Lugol so far.
My wife has being using Rose oil on a scar and suggested I use the same oil on my scabs at night. I don't know if this is a good idea. Could it be counter-productive?
Simoncini protocol for skin cancer is somewhat slightly different than what you are doing. Why did you choose to modify his approach?
Simoncini:
"The treatment to choose for epithileomas, basaliomas, and melanomas is iodine solution at seven per cent, as it is capable of precipitating the proteins of the body of the fungus and destroying them completely in a short time. If the lesions are fairly small, they must be painted with the solution 10-20-30 times twice a day for five days and then once for another ten days so that they become very dark. When the eschar is formed and it is higher than the epidermic plane, it is necessary to continue to paint under and above it, even if at first this causes a sharp pain.
This very same operation must be repeated for the second eschar that is formed. At this point, the lesion may be considered destroyed, because after the third cycle it is possible to reach the center of the neoplasia, where the colonies try to resist to the last."
He gives quite an epic description, reminiscent of films where the enemy must be entirely destroyed all the way to "where the colonies try to resist to the last." I usually like to look at health issues not so much as a battlefield but rather as an agricultural field where the land has been damaged and a new equilibrium has to be put in place in the ecosystem. Considering the idea of candida as the cause of cancer, I believe that cleaning up our diet and oxygenating our tissues is also part of the answer since, just like any fungus, it thrives on "junk" in oxygen deprived environment. But this is all ideology and I'll be happy to find something that just works without adding lots of toxicity.
Best of Health for 2011!
May we all find an end to all this useless suffering from skin cancer.
Thanks to all the good souls on this forum
|
|
|
|
river
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 21:03:35
|
| Hi everyone, I've been away for two weeks with no computer.I still havn't got rid of my bcc ,it seems to be stuck at the halfway mark. 50% is covered with what I think is new healthy skin, but a strip about 2cm wide by 6cm long is still oozing small amounts of pus. I have been applying iodine 3-4 times a day. Originally it was 9cm diameter,I will keep at it. Regards ,River. |
|
|
|
samdi230
Canada
24 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 14:21:39
|
quote:
Originally posted by river
quote:
Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
HI,You need to ask for Iodine solution- iodine 5%,potassium iodide 10%,85% distilled water,regards River.
|
|
|
|
Steve NH
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 17:04:55
|
OK About to begin now.
I've been watching these threads for a couple months now and am ready to proceed.
I've had BCC on a regular basis for 10 years now.
I currently have 4 confirmed spots and 2 more "most probable" (based on the surgeons opinion)
One in particular has gone untreated for a few yrs and is getting very annoying.
For the past 5 weeks I had been doing the vitamin C treatment. My wife feels it has made progress and I kinda agree, but it seems to be very slow. So I am ready to give the Iodine approach a shot.
I will be ordering this
http://www.herbhealers.com/store/lugol-s-iodine-7-1-fl-oz-29-5-ml.html#description
appears to be what everyone has been talking about - plus it's in a 7% solution.
Does that look right?
Once I get going I will probably post every couple weeks to let everyone know what is happening.
Also thanks to everyone posting here. |
Edited by - Steve NH on 01/20/2011 17:14:29 |
|
|
|
Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 18:27:03
|
Hi,
Just wanted to get back regarding the iodine question. I've not used (nor even seen) Lugols in a 7% solution so I can't offer any feedback based on personal experience. I used the 5% Lugols solution from J Crow & Co. I would offer this suggestion that you make sure it's water-based (no alcohol) and you may want to carefully monitor skin irritation. You can expect a highly noticeable skin reaction from 5%, so I'm thinking the reaction may be even more intense with 7%. You'll probably get similar results and perhaps even better (not sure), but I wouldn't want you to unexpectedly alarmed if the reaction is really intense due to the higher iodine concentration. Just a thought and I wish you the best of luck. BTW, if you can, it would be really nice to see before, during and after photos. I failed to photograph mine for others to see and really regret that lack of foresight.
Sincerely,
Chuck |
|
|
|
logicman
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 15:48:13
|
I have used lugol's 5% to apparently cure a biopsied melanoma in situ lesion, 1 cm in diameter, on my cheek.
I turned 1 oz glass bottle of lugul's sideways and pressed to cheek, then tilted head and immersed lesion for 10 seconds. I did this 8-10 times a day because Iodine evaporates rapidly and so only about 12% penetrates skin and is absorbed into the blood stream, according to dr Guy Abraham, MD.
See http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm
It took several chemical peels over six weeks. Cells from dermis takes about 2 weeks to work their way up to replace epidermal layer.
Note if you take thyroid meds you may want to reduce your dose during treatment as your thyroid may "enjoy" the increased iodine and make more T4. |
|
|
|
SoFl
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 12:56:47
|
I tried iodine several years ago on a confirmed by biopsy bcc as well as a confirmed scc. It didn't work at all.
Petty Spurge did.
See that thread. |
|
|
|
Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 21:45:53
|
OK a quick follow up for those who are reading this thread.
Summary: last November I had 3 spots on the right side of my face. A rather small one "pencil eraser size" which 2 doctors diagnosed without biopsy as being almost 100% certain it was a BCC. A second spot was slightly smaller than a dime and it was impossible for them to say if it was or not a BCC (one doc said yes - the other said maybe). A third spot looked more like an AK and was about as large.
I started the iodine Lugol treatment in mid December on the 3 spots and did it every day for 4 weeks. Then I stopped. About 10 days later it all cleared up and it looked good but pink/reddish. That was 2 months ago. Today it looks really good. No traces of anything. I went to see the dermatologist today and he also said that the right side of my face looks great. Nothing to biopsy or even to look at.
On the left side of the face I also had a lesion (AK) and 2 other spots that were doubtful and that I left untreated. The dermatologist treated the 3 spots with liquid nitrogen today. We'll see how it evolves.
My take on all this:
1. The Lugol treatment really works well.
2. Doing the treatment during the Holidays was not a good idea. My face did look messy and became a topic of discussion instead on Christmas celebrations. Retrospectively I should have done this just after the Holidays. If you choose to try this please understand that Lugol does color your skin and a crust will form too.
3. It is messy but looking at my burnt face tonight I see that other treatments are messy too. Surgery is messy. Cancer itself on the face is messy as well.
4. The first 10 ten days I was adding the Lugol 10 or 12 times per day to saturate the lesions. I would not do it this way next time. After talking to the pharmacist I realized that Lugol will slightly burn or irritate even good skin if applied that frequently. I would do this intensively for 2 days only and then apply it 3 times a day. I also would not stop necessarily after 4 weeks. I would treat for longer if appropriate. I got scared and I was tired of seeing my Lugol laden face. But in retrospect it would have been more cautious to continue until it was all gone.
5. I did apply Rosehip Oil (Rosa Muscada) every night to the treated area after I stopped the Lugol. I believe it has helped a lot. I still use it. My wife uses it on a scar and it really helps to regenerate the layers of the skin. It does not treat the cancer or the AK itself though.
6. If I could go back in time I would treat the left side of my face at the same time I treated the right side. Today no liquid nitrogen treatment would have been necessary and I believe the Lugol treatment leaves the skin in a better state afterwards compared to the Nitrogen burn (which I had few years ago). The Lugol treatment is much gentler to the skin.
7. In final I'd like to say that I am very pleased with this simple and easily available treatment. It also leaves me with a sense of self empowerment, knowing that I can do something myself if and when this type of problem occurs again. With my history most probably it will. I protect my skin as well as I can but I am ready if a problem occurs.
Thank you all. |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
iodine therapy by Dr. Tullio Simoncini
