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ssw
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 Posted - 04/27/2008 : 19:46:07
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I have removed questions I found answers to elsewhere
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Edited by - ssw on 07/10/2008 17:43:02 |
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/29/2008 : 11:18:58
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| I don't think I can reply in detail right now, but I would like to say that my BCC was high on my cheekbone and when I used the eggplant mixture it seemed that "fumes" from the mixture irritated the surface of my eye. It may have been my eyelashes brushing against the mixture and then letting some of the vinegar drip towards the eye. Anyway, although I favor the eggplant mixture, without an opinion on its ultimate success, I would not use this very close to the eye, and certainly not on the eyelid. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 17:41:13
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Better to post a new message than to edit, I think. Having trouble sorting what is new material in your request from 04/29 edited on 05/10 -- suggestion.
I am currently working on "suspicious" spots not diagnosed. I am not currently using the eggplant. I am experimenting with hydrogen peroxide (3%).
I am very strongly in favor of dietary changes, headed in the alkaline direction, but I agree with Dan that diagnosed skin cancers OFTEN, if not always, should just be treated with surgery or one of those removal methods, and then the "experimental" topical treatments can be used on pre-cancerous areas.
I don't feel that I have direct answers to your questions above, but I am interested in and experimenting with some of the same topicals as you mention. |
Edited by - thanks01 on 05/12/2008 18:41:33 |
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thanks01
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 17:45:15
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COPIED from my original post:
Using externals to attack “the spot”:
I did not take the “kitchen sink” approach, although there were many topical applications recommended on the website that interested me. I had already tried a paste of pancreatin and found it so disruptive that I could not tell what was happening. At the time I started using the website in November there was quite a lot of discussion on using eggplant and vinegar. I read whatever I could find on the anti-cancer, apoptosis-causing properties of eggplant, and found the story about the “Devil’s Apple” in Australia and all the material about Curaderm convincing. Rather than pay for Curaderm right away, I decided on the homemade mixture and found it tolerable when applied.
Also, having never paid any attention to the idea of skin cancer before, I found that on my wrist there was a “freckle” which seemed to have elevated itself about 1/32nd of an inch and then caught on a sleeve, causing bleeding. I didn’t like the looks of that, so I put some of the eggplant mixture there with a bandage. This tiny spot seemed to be improving within days and finally became only the slightest freckle. Because of this and my reading and also because of the discussion on the forum, I decided to use the eggplant mixture and stick with that, rather than mixing a whole lot of things together or switching constantly.
Observing the Eggplant-Vinegar Mixture:
I made the eggplant-vinegar mixture pretty much as indicated on the website. I did use apple cider vinegar but I did not use organic eggplant. I puréed it the best that I could, although the seeds remained. Later on I strained the purée, which is quite timestaking with the raw eggplant, but gives a much more manageable mixture. I kept the mixture in the refrigerator most of the time, but not always. Neither leaving it out for a few days nor letting it get fairly old seem to hurt it.
I started by applying the eggplant with a bandage over the spot, ordinary easy-pull-off bandages (not the stick-tight variety), or the micropore tape, sometimes even masking tape. This worked fine on my wrist, but I found that when the bandage held the mixture near my eye either the fumes or the liquid spreading on my skin or my eyelashes spreading it caused irritation inside my eye. This was tolerable but did not seem to be a good idea.
Next I tried “swiping” the mixture over the main spot as often during the day as I could remember to do it. I think this is when I made the least progress, probably because the quantity was just too thin. Later I went back to applying a good-size “gob” of the stuff over the spot and letting it just dry in place and stay there without a bandage. As one poster to the website mentioned, it seemed that each time the dried-up remainder of the gob was removed some skin peeled off and there were signs of improvement.
Regarding the changes in the spot, as one poster said (FForest, I think), almost as soon as I started with the mixture there was increased definition in the area. My BCC (size of a dime) had at that time left the “crater” stage and gone to a “pearls” stage. After applying the eggplant mixture, these pearls became more visible and seemed to separate from the spot. Over the weeks that I continued, I would say that the “pearls” slowly shriveled, disintegrated, and peeled off, although not completely.
In the middle of the treatment I had to return to the cosmetic surgeon for some questions about the biopsy. I quit using the mixture a couple of days before so that my face would look a bit more normal. And I think it was when I resumed that I started the “gob” application. It seemed that the quantity of mixture now at times was almost too irritating. The entire area of the actual spot and perhaps some places nearby were getting quite sore and red. This is probably desirable, but it leads me to suggest what I next tried with the break for the doctor visit, namely, “taking a vacation” once in a while and letting the surrounding skin kind of catch up and be more generally healthy.
My experience overall favors the “long and slow” approach, if and when I ever have another spot like this to deal with. I understand the concern about penetrating the depth of the spot, which is not named “basal” for nothing – it comes from the base of the skin. But a gradual exfoliation, worked on constantly, with “vacations,” seems constructive to me. Someone might reply that the reason I ultimately required the operation at the end of two months is that I had not reached the depth of the cancer. And I would say yes, that is why more time would be needed, but to have gone “faster” and more destructively did not seem to be a good idea. I think that I got better progress the other way. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 11:16:43
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Maybe I didn't do it right or perhaps my bcc's were too big but after a
few months I moved onto other things..still no 100% solution here though definitely keeping things at bay.
I definitely knocked out a ulcerating AK on the back of my neck using only vinegar / no eggplant.
Has anyone had 100% success with the EV mix? |
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jan
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Posted - 05/17/2008 : 12:52:08
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| ...and a followup question to whether anybody has had 100% success would be to ask how long did you use your concoction(s)? While I did not have success with home remedies, I believe I did not give each one adequate time to do the job. |
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dan
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Posted - 05/18/2008 : 00:55:56
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Regarding the purpose of orange oil, it is first worth noting that fforest used orange oil for a couple of weeks before his Eureka moment with the eggplant vinegar remedy. Maybe we haven't been giving the orange oil enough credit. Orange oil can be added to remedies as a penetration enhancer much like DMSO. Orange oil or its extract d-limonene is used as a powerful solvent that I feel is perhaps capable of directly destroying improperly formed (cancer) cells while apparently not affecting normal cells. I base this on the 25 minute sting reaction one gets if applying to a skin cancer, while there is no reaction when applied to normal skin. If the underlying cause of the skin cancer is a fungal or yeast (candida) infection, orange oil would potentially help because it is also an antifungal agent. Orange oil is similar to Efudex or Carac in my experience because it will initially make the problem area look worse and it can take several weeks before the affected skin shows definite signs of healing.
I'm not sure about the differences between bitter and sweet orange oils. I actually like to use a concentrated organic food grade solvent called Orange TKO. Maybe some people experience UV sensitivity with orange oil but I did not, although I did not push it. I usually rinsed the area with water after the stinging subsided so I did not smell like oranges. That might have helped. Be sure to include rest days to allow for healing if using orange oil. A favorite aspect of using orange oil is the stinging subsides once the treatment takes hold. It is great feedback to know when to stop treatments. |
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Allie
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Posted - 08/01/2008 : 14:14:34
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To thanks01,
Could be that it's the vinegar causing the irritation, not the eggplant. My skin is very sensitive, and I can't use vinegar at all. I only use the eggplant, preparing it fresh everyday. It caused the cancers to open up at first, but there's been no irritation at all. In fact, it feels quite soothing.
The easiest way to make the eggplant fresh everyday without making too much is to put it through my juicer and then combine the juice with the pulp.
My skin is making good progress. The basal cancer on my chest is nearly completely gone now, and the squamous on my nose recently lost about half it's size of a couple of weeks ago. I mix the eggplant with ground raspberry seed, and will soon add Ellagic Defense and green tea extract. When I go someplace where I can't have eggplant all over my face, I'm finding that applying just regular green tea is very helpful. |
Edited by - Allie on 08/01/2008 14:16:45 |
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thanks01
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 14:02:12
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Allie,
Thank you. I think you may have a point about using eggplant with some other base than vinegar. I will note, however, that some users (I think Anivoc was one) thought the vinegar was the effective ingredient and the eggplant not.
I am still working on some "spots" that are probably pre-cancerous. I went back and read all about BEC5 and Curaderm and I think that long-term application of eggplant can be effective.
As I mentioned before, I now have my (old) eggplant mixture in some hand cream. I also added a tablet of pancreatin. When I had tried what I thought was pancreatin previously, it was too harsh. But that was a digestive enzymes pancreatin substitute. Now I have ordered actual pancreatin and seem to tolerate that well.
So, my current bottle of salve contains: eggplant, some vinegar, pancreatin and hand lotion. I apply it whenever I can remember. I am willing to be patient with this because it seems that the BEC5 components work against cancer, but slowly. In the next dose I may leave out the vinegar, as you suggest.
Also, I am still working hard to keep my diet non-sugar, alkaline and vegetable-based, although I am not a vegetarian.
I appreciate your reply. I will add more to the eggplant thread when I see some results, but expect this to be slow.
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anivoc
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 20:58:37
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Just to clarify..
I believe what started the eggplant quest was that Curaderm eludes that it uses eggplant and shows a purple eggplant on some of their advertising.. In fact the active ingredient is not eggplant but a specially purified plant extract from the Solanum Sodomaeum, the so-called Devil’s apple from Australia..
Then again I was unhappy with the end results of Curaderm.. It did cause a few my lesions to open up but then healed up and came back later. |
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Allie
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 14:37:40
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Thanks Anivoc for mentioning about the the lesions coming back later when using the Curaderm. It's definitely a fair warning, and very possibly applicable to the eggplant treatment also.
I remember one precancer on my forehead that I treated with tea tree oil. It went away twice (after treating for at least a half a year) and then came back. The third time, I kept applying the tea tree oil for a month or two after the lesion disappeared. That was a couple of years ago, and it hasn't come back again (so far).
When (and if) my cancer lesions appear to be completely healed, I'm going to try to keep treating them for at least a couple of months. I'm hoping that will help them stay away for good. I'll definitely be very disappointed if they come back again. |
Edited by - Allie on 08/04/2008 15:15:25 |
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Allie
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 15:05:08
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To thanks01,
That's very interesting about the pancreatin. Being vegetarian, I have something on my shelf called "Vegan Plantcreatin, Alternative to Animal-source Pancreatin" from VegLife. After reading your post, I think I will try adding the contents of a capsule or two to my eggplant mix.
Speaking of digestive enzymes, according to "Hawaiian Herbal Medicine", by Kahuna La'au Lapa'au: "For cancer, in its early stages, eat papaya seeds several times a day, every day." He doesn't mention papaya seeds as a topical, but that might also be worth a try. It's possible that under the right healing conditions, digestive enzymes might help the body to digest and excrete small tumor material. |
Edited by - Allie on 08/04/2008 15:06:14 |
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thanks01
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 18:01:45
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Allie,
It was the pancreatin substitute that was too harsh on my skin. I think because it contained papaya enzyme (which is also used in meat tenderizer!). It is the animal-derived "real" pancreatin that I tolerate better. As a vegetarian, you will have to decide, and also by trial and error. Try also reading Dan's background material on this website regarding the importance of pancreatin in killing cancer cells. Thanks for feedback. |
Edited by - thanks01 on 08/04/2008 18:02:37 |
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Allie
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 14:39:46
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To thanks01,
Thanks for the warning, thanks01! I checked my "Plantcreatin". There's no papaya enzyme, but I wasn't comfortable with its active ingredient: "Vegan Pancreatin 8x (from Aspergillus spp.)" Aspergillus is a fungi, and I decided not to use it.
Still, I was curious about papaya. I don't mind that papaya enzyme (papain) is used as a meat tenderizer. I thought that might even be an indication of a good thing. So I ate some seeds. They were HOT. I thought maybe I poisoned myself, so I googled "papaya seeds, edible" and came up with all kinds of information.
Papaya seeds are definitely edible, described as "peppery" (that's an understatement!). I found information stating that the papaya enzyme (papain) has cancer-fighting ability. According to www.innvista.com/HEALTH/foods/fruits/papayas.htm "...research has shown that papain can be effective in fighting cancer as it breaks down a protein substance called fibrin, found on all cancer cells, and thus preventing metastasis, including inhibiting the growth of human breast cancer cells."
Additionally, "The people of Papua New Guinea use papaya for the skin and to treat rashes or sunburn or, with repeated applications, to remove the brown spots of aging."
Apparently, there's not much papain in the ripe fruit - only the green. It's in all parts of the green fruit, especially the peel.
To test it out, I put a large portion of an organic green papaya through my juicer (using the juicing shield, not the juicing screen), and added the papaya pulp to my eggplant mix.
I applied that 3 times last night to areas on my forehead, cheeks, nose, and chest. I didn't feel much of anything on my chest and forehead, but there was a definite stinging sensation on my cheeks. Not particularly painful, but more like a cold burning - like menthol maybe. The stinging left after maybe 10 minutes.
This morning I notice that my biggest age spot is bright red. Applying eggplant alone had given a similar reaction initially, but not so intense. The cancer on my nose seemed a little improved.
I'll be adding green papaya to my eggplant mix for a while to see what happens.
PS: I tried using the link I placed in this post for innvista.com and it didn't work. If you're interested, you might access the link by googling "papaya seeds, edible".
PPS by Dan: The link now works. The link just needed a space immediately after the htm |
Edited by - Allie on 08/06/2008 14:50:39 |
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thanks01
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Posted - 08/07/2008 : 19:02:23
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Allie,
I appreciate all the feedback and will take note. Many of the things I read here I save mentally to try "later."
For now what I was trying to say about papaya is not that it won't work, but that I personally found it too harsh -- again, for now. Perhaps I'll try it later.
Secondly, that Dan in the background material indicates the cancer-killing properties of pancreatin (produced naturally by our bodies) and that it was pancreatin (rather than its "substitute" including papaya) that I am currently trying, both as a pill to increase the inside supply and on the outside, mixed into the eggplant mixture, which is my attempt (per the website) attempt at duplicating the effects of Curaderm. My plan is to use this rather gentle cream for a LONG time, but I feel that I see some results already. More details when I have something to say.
Right now I am pleased with my mixture which contains: pureed eggplant, some vinegar, a pancreatin pill, and hand lotion. I hope to make a new batch tomorrow. Perhaps I'll write it up later again with more precise quantities. |
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Allie
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Posted - 08/08/2008 : 16:02:57
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thanks, thanks01.
After trying the green papaya for a few days, I've come to the conclusion that you're right about it being too harsh. It really is very harsh. Apparently there's a lot less papain in ripe papayas than in green, but I think I'll just go back to my eggplant mix for now. I feel like that's been working well for me.
So nice to have other people to bounce stuff off of! Thanks again!
And thank you Dan for your correction on the link. |
Edited by - Allie on 08/08/2008 16:06:48 |
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Question for those that have used the eggplant
