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Cloudy

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2014 :  18:00:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gloe

quote:
Originally posted by Cloudy

Hi every one I'm new to posting but have been following this forum for along time. Little history I have a BCC on my neck and have tried numerous things to stop it's growth but haven't to date been very successful. Have not had any orthodox treatment...have tried to find PS but I live in the NOLA area (New Orleans) and it gets hot here in the summer. Should anyone live in the far south of USA I would very much appreciate any and all info about this plant growing in this area.. .



Cloudy, go back in this thread and read all the posts by "SoFl" which I believe means he is from Southern Florida -- also very hot and humid. You may need to order seeds from Australia and grow them initially yourself. They are not expensive. I ordered 2 packets of 30 seeds for I think about $13.00 including shipping from Australia. Best of luck.

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lornebarvizub2b

5 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2014 :  07:58:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi.Do you still have Petty Spurge plants? I got some of the Petty Spurge seeds from Australia and they've sprouted, but I can see it's going to be quite a while before I have a full grown plant to use for a BCC I have on my face. If I could get a plant from you that would be helpful. Let me know.

quote:
Originally posted by willwill

Glad to help. The spot where I planted them last year has thousands of seedlings. If anyone else would like plants please contact me.

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willwill

USA
9 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2014 :  11:58:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All of my mature plants died off in the heat. I do have some reseeds that are just about ready to use and you are welcome to them. My email is wwill1227@aol.com.
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lornebarvizub2b

5 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2014 :  08:14:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a website with info about Petty Spurge and where to buy the seeds.

www.radiumweed.com.au
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rcomella

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2014 :  09:39:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone ordered seeds from this website? It's unclear how much they charge for shipping and if they ship to the U.S. from Australia.

quote:
Originally posted by lornebarvizub2b

Here is a website with info about Petty Spurge and where to buy the seeds.

www.radiumweed.com.au


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Jilly

5 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2014 :  09:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi there,

No I have never ordered seeds from there but I have seeds if you like, you can email me directly. I think so far the seeds I have sent to people have grown.

quote:
Originally posted by rcomella

Has anyone ordered seeds from this website? It's unclear how much they charge for shipping and if they ship to the U.S. from Australia.

quote:
Originally posted by lornebarvizub2b

Here is a website with info about Petty Spurge and where to buy the seeds.

www.radiumweed.com.au




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rcomella

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2014 :  16:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am wondering if anyone has had the experience of doing large area of the face with PS like BigD (see below.) While I do have a couple of AK's on my nose, I also have sun damage, sunspots and dark spots on other areas of my face. Does anyone recommend treating the whole face a quadrant at a time? Perhaps with a watery version of PS. I am confused about whether the irritation from PS is caused by it going after the cancer or just because it is caustic to human skin? Or perhaps a strategy would be to do AK spots first and then a very mild watery version of PS later to see if any more spots emerge and to do a kind of light peel.

I am interested in hearing your experiences and opinions.

It won't be right away that I will be able to try PS since I have to grow it. At the moment I am actually using Curaderm with DMSO on my nose (before I saw this forum). I thought it would only take a week or two but it is now a month. I am really interested in finding a faster method.

RComella



quote:
Originally posted by BigD

Hello, thought I would add my experience with Petty Spurge as I probably went at it in a slightly different fashion. First of all thanks to the ppl that originally posted (Sofl I believe?) regarding the plant otherwise I would have been trapped using efudex (cosmetic effects of treatment weren't great). Amazing there wasn't much information on the net regarding it's use until recently, being as it is so effective.

I had a few spots on my face that looked suspicious so was principally looking to treat those but guessing that there were probably other areas waiting to spring up I treated the whole face. The sap was applied directly to the more obvious problem areas and then the leaves were crushed up with a tiny drop of distilled water and painted on the rest of the face using a small painters brush. Areas that I knew were an issue scabbed up quickest other areas that also started to scab i applied with sap and then again painted the whole face with the crushed leaves. Suffice to say my whole face went red and large areas scabbed. Continued this treatment for about nine days (twice a day). I was amazed at how quickly the skin seems to heal after the PS treatment. After 3 weeks there was just a slight pinkish tinge and then at 4 weeks I was cruising in the carribean with company and the skin was looking better than it had in a long time.

It has been almost a year and I am looking at growing some more plants and repeating the treatment. I will be interested to see if I get a similar reaction or wether it will be much reduced, I am presuming the latter. I would envisage having to do this several times through the years ahead but that of course will depend on results of the ongoing treatments.

A couple of notes: Within the first 3 weeks of treating be careful about going out in the sun. I live on the beach and after 2.5 weaks couldn't resist the water and ended up going ruby red for a couple of days after only a few minutes in the sun. I did apply crushed leaves near the eyes but had no adverse reaction.

Regards


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gloe

124 Posts

Posted - 09/30/2014 :  09:35:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm just about out of "soaking water" but my new plants are just about ready to be "pinched back." When I pinch back, I will do one a day, so I will be able to use the sap to continue treatment.

Family and friends are giving me grief about "this thing" on my face. What they don't get is that topical chemo (which PS certainly is) makes things look alot worse before they will look better.

Best to all.
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clearlake

USA
25 Posts

Posted - 10/21/2014 :  12:58:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've noticed Leo Pharma has come out with petty spurge gel, trade name "Picato", read somewhere it's expensive unless insurance covers it.

Some links have photos:
http://dermnetnz.org/treatments/ingenol-mebutate.html

http://picato.com/

Click on tab "What kind of skin cancers can be treated with this gel?" to see a photo:
http://www.myskincancercentre.com.au/picato/
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gloe

124 Posts

Posted - 10/24/2014 :  03:56:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clearlake

I've noticed Leo Pharma has come out with petty spurge gel, trade name "Picato", read somewhere it's expensive unless insurance covers it.

Some links have photos:
http://dermnetnz.org/treatments/ingenol-mebutate.html

http://picato.com/

Click on tab "What kind of skin cancers can be treated with this gel?" to see a photo:
http://www.myskincancercentre.com.au/picato/



There is at least one picato gel thread on this forum. However, it has only been approved for pre-cancerous conditions, so no derm doctor is going to give it to anyone if they have actual skin cancer (well, I should say, it is unlikely).
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Brigid

68 Posts

Posted - 10/24/2014 :  08:22:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rcomella,
My experience using petty spurge is that it's best to go slow---1 or 2 drops of sap one one tumor at a time, or maybe two. It hurt on my face but not on my legs. But it depends where on your face the tumors are and what your pain threshold is. My suggestions are to read everything you can on the petty spurge forum and not to try doing a large area at one time. I also think anything you use on your tumors is good to google as well as going through the posts on this site. Just my own opinion.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 12/14/2014 :  19:36:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have loads of plants that grow wild in my yard. I am happy to share the seeds if you can tell me how to harvest them. I have looked on the ground but can't see them. Blooming season here in Northern CA starts in Feb. A few have popped up but starting in a few weeks I'll have lots. Once extracted the sap must be kept chilled so sending the sap itself is not practice.

I have been using the sap under the observation of my dermatologist for about 1 year now. I have used it on my body and face. After I had a basal cell carcinoma surgically removed on my face I was prescribed Picato for use on my face for some AKs. The Picato was not covered by insurance and cost $700 for 3 very tiny tubes. Picato is essentially Ingenol Mebutate or sap from the Peplus plant suspended in an alcohol based get. Picato must be kept chilled else the Ingenol Mebutate decomposes. I also tried this with harvested sap and at room temperature it lost effectiveness overnight but kept refrigerated it lasted over one month.
The Picato is sold in two concentrations, one for body and one for face. The sap is probably closer to the body so go slowly when first using it on the face. I used the sap per the instructions for the Picato. I clipped a few stems and dabbed a few drops sap on my forehead. I then took a wet finger and rubbed it around a small area. Once a day for three days. Normal cells will react slightly like a sunburn but precancerous and cancer cells will react strongly. You will see the precancerous and cancer areas react differently than normal cells. You can also put a drop directly on a lesion and it will stay localized.
The Ingenol Mebutate (IM) will cause the mitochondria of the cancer cells to stop functioning and die. The IM also causes a strong localized immune response to replace the dead cells with new healthy ones. Truly a miracle plant.
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 12/25/2014 :  23:50:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Gloe,

How are you going with your treatment? Have you finally had success? I hope your skin cancer is finally gone from all your treatment.

Best wishes,
Cheryl
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gloe

124 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2015 :  05:01:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, as I posted on the vitamin C thread, I am still struggling. For those who asked questions about PS, before I ever put it on my face, I tested 2 spots with sap (inside of wrist and inside of elbow). They didn't even get red. I put it on my face, and POW, it started eating away at a cluster of sores on the side of my nose. I had a lot of bleeding at first.

Untimately, however, this has not worked for me. 6 months of PS, mostly the "soaking water" made by cutting up leaves and stems into a small jar with a little distilled water, and kept in the fridge. I got the idea from I think SoFl. I did get 2 sap treatments out of my plants, in June and in October, both for about 2 weeks.

What would happen to me with PS is that the area would scab up with a bloody scab, the scab would get thicker until it would come off in the bath, leaving open skin that would bleed. Then more PS made it scab up again, and repeat for all these months.

Last Thursday, I got all the scab off in the bath, and had a large red area with small areas of bleeding. I put a mix of DMSO and IP6 on it. I rinsed it off after 2 hours and then applied Argentyn 23 Gel. I have written about this before. It is a very soothing, clear gel that is easy to find. (Amazon sells it. Just a warning though, it is freeze sensitive, so if you live in a cold climate, I would not order it on line right now.)

The next morning, all the peripheral redness had gone away and I had 3 small distinct dark sores in an area roughly the size of a dime. Then I had the brilliant idea of putting Lucas' Papaw ointment on it -- something I find incredibly healing on my super dry hands in the winter (so dry I get cracks that bleed). Well, papaya contains an enzyme that breaks down protein, so within 30 minutes, the scabs were dissolving, and the whole area was red and disgusting looking. I just washed my face that night, and put nothing else on it. The area has stayed all red with some bleeding here and there. This morning I put IP6 + DMSO on it; I will rinse it off after 2 hours and apply Argentyn 23 again.

I don't know what my next step will be other than the IP6+DMSO routine. Ascorbic acid paste is a possibility.

Before I used PS, I had a cluster of red bumps in this area, one of which would occasionally bleed a little, but my face did not look so bad that I felt I needed to put a bandaid on it. Now, I rarely go out without covering this mess up. I'm not saying PS made it worse -- it looks worse, but I think PS goes after abnormal cells, but just couldn't finish the job for me.

I really wish everyone the best. I am going to look into electronic brachytherapy (a form of radiation treatment that is being used for skin cancer). I posted a separate thread about this.

Edited by - gloe on 01/07/2015 05:03:58
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cheryl21

Australia
19 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2015 :  02:17:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi gloe,

I'm really sorry to hear that all your hard work hasn't paid off yet.

I had read where SoFl had great success using petty spurge on BCC's and SCC's using the method that you tried so I thought that it should work for you. I was never game to try that method myself.

I have been using petty spurge for about ten years and originally got the instructions for its use fron an Australian doctor. I always apply 1-2 drops of sap to the area once a day for 3-4 days and then leave the scab to form. The scab is not to be touched or got wet but just left to fall off when it is ready. This never leaves any scar at all. Using this method I have found that petty spurge only gets rid of minor skin cancers. I now use it as a diagnostic as it is great at finding the skin cancer. I apply it for 2-3 days, then put black salve on. I haven't used black salve on my nose though as fortunately any I have had on my nose have been minor skin cancers.

The radiation treatment certainly sounds good without being disfiguring. Good luck with whatever you do and please keep us posted.
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gloe

124 Posts

Posted - 01/14/2015 :  03:56:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Cheryl,

I have not found that the new radiation treatment is available near me. Let alone someplace they will take my HMO insurance. It is hard as a patient to find these things. A dermatologist may know, but that involves going to one. And a derm doc may not want to refer me, preferring to convince me that cutting me up is the only way to go.

I think about having surgery and all that would entail. I think about the possibility that this is SCC and could spread all over my body. I don't want to "face" that.

Thanks everyone for your help. I will keep you updated.
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mark72

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2015 :  12:29:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today I tried dandelion milk, from the base of the flower. Cutting short the stem 2mm from the base of the flower it takes 2 - 3 seconds for the milk to appear. Applied in a small suspicious area and the reaction was imminent. A yellowish scab was created in an hour and later turned brownish. I applied 3 times in 3 hours. The problem is that a have to stay in the field with a mirror in my hand. For me isnĺt any problem because the field is connected to my yard. In 10 minutes I was able to milk 10 to 15 flowers. This is free, and there are testimonials about Dandelion milk anti cancer activity.
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mark72

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2015 :  17:23:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/metro/urban-jungle/pages/110419.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3018636/

The Efficacy of Dandelion Root Extract in Inducing Apoptosis in
Drug-Resistant HumanMelanoma Cells.

Received 22 June 2010; Revised 12 November 2010; Accepted 8 December 2010

3. Results
3.1. Effect of Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) on Human Melanoma Cell Viability. In order to investigate whether Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) reduced cell viability in
human melanoma cells, the A375 cells were treated with 1, 2.5, and 5 mg/mL concentrations of DRE. DRE was found to reduce cell viability in a dose-dependent fashion,
over time, in A375 melanoma cells as was measured by WST-1 assay. Based on metabolic activity of A375s, it was confirmed that treatment at 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 50% reduction in cell viability against control within 24 hours (Figure 1(a)). After cells were imaged with Hoechst dye, it was found that by 48 hours there was a clear
induction of apoptosis at concentrations above 2.5mg/mL (Figure 1(b)), as distinguished by brightly stained nuclei and Using the effective and subeffective doses, we sought to
confirm that apoptosis in A375 cells was indeed induced, using the Annexin-V binding assay. The assay confirms that by 48 hours the phosphatidyl serine has flipped from the
inner leaflet of the plasma membrane to the outer leaflet after treatment with 2.5mg/mL DRE (Figure 1(c)).
3.2. Evaluation of DRE Toxicity onNormalHuman Fibroblasts. With DRE having proven its efficacy in successfully killing this aggressive, chemoresistant form of skin cancer, DRE toxicity on normal cells had to be evaluated.
4. Discussion
Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) has thus far been used in traditional medicine as a detoxifying agent for digestive disorders, for lung, breast, and uterine tumours [2], and
most interestingly, to treat chronic diseases of the skin [4].
However, there has been little scientific advancement made in this field with regard to the effect of dandelion root extract on cancer, and even more so on chemoresistant,
human malignant melanoma skin cancer. Previous work with Taraxacum has not provided much mechanistic detail with regards to apoptosis induction, instead highlighting its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects. In this study of human melanoma cells, we show that Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) is more than a worthy chemopreventative, it is fast-acting, nontoxic, and therefore specific in its targeting.

It was confirmed that treatment at 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 50% reduction in cell viability against control within 24 hours. After cells were imaged with Hoechst dye, it was found that by 48 hours there was a clear induction of apoptosis at concentrations above 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 90% reduction in cell viability, and after 72hours at 95% of melanoma cells Were destroyed inducting Apoptosis.
The treatment continued for 92 hours.
I have decided to take a calculated risk. I have to treat my small spot for 92 hours 2 to 3 times per day, and after rest and tread for healing.
It is not a very good idea to treat more than a spot, and greater the spot bigger the risk, because (DRE toxicity on normal cells had to be evaluated.)
Do not do it. Iĺm responsible for my actions. If anybody decides to do it, then you take your risk, and you, and only you are responsible for your ACTIONS.
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mark72

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 05/08/2015 :  17:50:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


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joekimbell

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 05/13/2015 :  09:34:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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marg

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2015 :  06:51:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm hoping there's still someone on this forum who's selling petty spurge seeds, hopefully from organic plants. Also wonder if starting them now would be of any use as they would still be very small plants when the summer weather comes. Does anyone know if they can survive the summer in Eugene, OR? Thanks so much for your help.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2015 :  09:03:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The good news is that Petty Spurge does grow in Oregon. http://www.pnwflowers.com/flower/euphorbia-peplus

I was going to try seeds but noticed they are growing wild throughout my yard. This year was a particularly good bloom. My climate in CA is a little more arid than yours but before going through the hassle of getting seeds and trying to get them to germinate look around for plants. They are small and grow in shallow soil, between rocks, etc.



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marg

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2015 :  11:22:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BobCA

The good news is that Petty Spurge does grow in Oregon. http://www.pnwflowers.com/flower/euphorbia-peplus

I was going to try seeds but noticed they are growing wild throughout my yard. This year was a particularly good bloom. My climate in CA is a little more arid than yours but before going through the hassle of getting seeds and trying to get them to germinate look around for plants. They are small and grow in shallow soil, between rocks, etc.







Hi, Bob. Thanks so much for your reply. I have already looked around for it. You're very blessed that you have it in your yard. If it weren't so hard to ship plants I'd offer to buy some from you.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2015 :  12:10:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you can find a way to ship plants I'd give you some. If you know anyone who drives to the Bay Area I'd be happy to meet them and deliver some plants. I'll probably have them until mid summer. Once the weather gets really hot they don't do as well.
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marg

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 05/26/2015 :  06:44:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much for the offer, BobCA. Unfortunately I don't know anyone driving there and I don't have a car. (I'm 70 & don't drive anymore.) If I find a way to ship plants it would be great to get some from you.
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Brigid

68 Posts

Posted - 05/27/2015 :  14:08:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mark72

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/metro/urban-jungle/pages/110419.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3018636/

The Efficacy of Dandelion Root Extract in Inducing Apoptosis in
Drug-Resistant HumanMelanoma Cells.

Received 22 June 2010; Revised 12 November 2010; Accepted 8 December 2010

3. Results
3.1. Effect of Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) on Human Melanoma Cell Viability. In order to investigate whether Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) reduced cell viability in
human melanoma cells, the A375 cells were treated with 1, 2.5, and 5 mg/mL concentrations of DRE. DRE was found to reduce cell viability in a dose-dependent fashion,
over time, in A375 melanoma cells as was measured by WST-1 assay. Based on metabolic activity of A375s, it was confirmed that treatment at 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 50% reduction in cell viability against control within 24 hours (Figure 1(a)). After cells were imaged with Hoechst dye, it was found that by 48 hours there was a clear
induction of apoptosis at concentrations above 2.5mg/mL (Figure 1(b)), as distinguished by brightly stained nuclei and Using the effective and subeffective doses, we sought to
confirm that apoptosis in A375 cells was indeed induced, using the Annexin-V binding assay. The assay confirms that by 48 hours the phosphatidyl serine has flipped from the
inner leaflet of the plasma membrane to the outer leaflet after treatment with 2.5mg/mL DRE (Figure 1(c)).
3.2. Evaluation of DRE Toxicity onNormalHuman Fibroblasts. With DRE having proven its efficacy in successfully killing this aggressive, chemoresistant form of skin cancer, DRE toxicity on normal cells had to be evaluated.
4. Discussion
Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) has thus far been used in traditional medicine as a detoxifying agent for digestive disorders, for lung, breast, and uterine tumours [2], and
most interestingly, to treat chronic diseases of the skin [4].
However, there has been little scientific advancement made in this field with regard to the effect of dandelion root extract on cancer, and even more so on chemoresistant,
human malignant melanoma skin cancer. Previous work with Taraxacum has not provided much mechanistic detail with regards to apoptosis induction, instead highlighting its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects. In this study of human melanoma cells, we show that Dandelion Root Extract (DRE) is more than a worthy chemopreventative, it is fast-acting, nontoxic, and therefore specific in its targeting.

It was confirmed that treatment at 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 50% reduction in cell viability against control within 24 hours. After cells were imaged with Hoechst dye, it was found that by 48 hours there was a clear induction of apoptosis at concentrations above 2.5mg/mL DRE resulted in 90% reduction in cell viability, and after 72hours at 95% of melanoma cells Were destroyed inducting Apoptosis.
The treatment continued for 92 hours.
I have decided to take a calculated risk. I have to treat my small spot for 92 hours 2 to 3 times per day, and after rest and tread for healing.
It is not a very good idea to treat more than a spot, and greater the spot bigger the risk, because (DRE toxicity on normal cells had to be evaluated.)
Do not do it. Iĺm responsible for my actions. If anybody decides to do it, then you take your risk, and you, and only you are responsible for your ACTIONS.


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judo

33 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  05:41:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can anyone recommend whether to carry on treating with PS or just stop and see what happens to the scab please? The scab is about 2mm high now, quite prominent! Diagnosed as AK a year ago, prescribed Aldara but i didn't use it. Changed my diet and treated topically with ACV and thought I'd beaten it but then it just kept scabbing up. I have treated it twice a day with PS for 8 days, and now have had 5 days off - the scab has changed colour from a sort of puss colour to dark red, blood colour. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  09:06:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Judo- I can only speak from my research and experience but I would not continue apply Petty Spurge. Petty Spurge contains Ingenil Mebutate which is the active ingredient in Picato. I use the Petty Spurge just like Picato. Once a day for 3 days. Ingenol Menutate works by attacking cells that divide quickly and often which can be cancer or cells that are regenerating.
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srains99

13 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  09:25:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agree,when my scab change, I stopped using it. PS saved me from Mohs surgery. PS healed well. Left a healed spot with a small indentation that seemed to be filling in over time
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judo

33 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  10:24:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you both for your replies. The scab feels like it has liquid inside it, since I started applying PS I've tried to keep it dry so it's almost like it has a bubble/puddle of liquid/pus underneath a thin dry scab.

Wish I could let a pic but I can't get them to upload for some reason.
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judo

33 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  10:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I really want to have a shower and let the water run over my head and wash it off. I think the water would simply wash it off.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  12:11:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
judo - By all means take a shower. The water will soften the scab but I wouldn't pick it off. Let it heal from the inside out and fall off. I would, and this is what my dermatologist recommends, after the shower cover the scab with a little vaseline or some other ointment. It will keep it moist and help it heal. No need to cover it.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  12:15:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Niacinamide - In case others have not heard a recent study coming out of New Zealand found that taking a daily supplement of Niacinamide (nicotinamide) a form of Vitamin B3 reduced the recurrence of Actinic Keratosis by over 60%. The cost of the supplement is cheap, less than $10/month. My dermatologist says he sees no harm in trying. I take 500mg daily, no side effects. If you do try it make sure you get the Niacinamide not the common Niacin.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2015 :  14:33:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Judo-one more thing. Petty Spurge should be applied and left unaltered for 6 hours. After 6 hours you can wash the area. The topical Ingenol Mebutate works at the cellular level and will attack any abnormal squamous and basal cells. After it kills the cell it will promote a strong immune response. Rather than over apply I would apply once every day for three days and let it react and heal. I would then reapply in a month or two. This way you will catch any cells you might have missed. Zyclara works by a different mechanism but is also effective, it just takes a lot longer. Best of luck.
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judo

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Posted - 06/11/2015 :  23:52:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much for the information Bob, really interesting. I did shower it before bed last night and to my surprise it didn't float off, afterwards I dabbed it with some tissue to dry it and lots of pus came out, I deflated it a bit by doing so, and a small part of the scab came off but most is still intact.

Will report back in a day or two to let you know the progress
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cheryl21

Australia
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Posted - 06/13/2015 :  17:05:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Judo,

The results from Petty Spurge are fantastic if you don't allow the scab to get wet, don't put anything on it, leave it alone and just let the scab fall off of its own accord. If you do this the area heals up without leaving any trace of a scar - you can't even tell where you used it. I have been using it for years and got my instructions originally from a doctor.

You should have a good result with what you are doing.

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BobCA

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Posted - 06/13/2015 :  17:23:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting Comment. My dermatologist says leave it on for 6 hours or overnight but then washing is fine. He always recommends never letting a scab get crusty. Apply ointment and it will heal in 3 days. Best of luck.
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judo

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Posted - 06/17/2015 :  06:50:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many thanks Cheryl, Bob. I have a thin scab covering the area now and the itching has subsided somewhat too. Hoping the scab will come off soon as it looks similar to the one that was there before I started the PS.

What ointment did you use Bob?

Is there a trick to attaching pictures on here, it would be nice to share the results for others to see too..?
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BobCA

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Posted - 06/17/2015 :  07:14:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Judo - my Dermatologist and surgeon both recommend petrolatum or basically Vaseline but neosporin or aquafor work well and are slightly antibiotic.
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judo

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Posted - 07/13/2015 :  05:44:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi again, just an update for you all. The scab eventually came off, i started to put a drop of olive oil (fairly harmless stuff) on it once or twice a day and within a week or so it came off but did leave a little bit left behind, that came off last Friday. For a couple of days i was scab less but now the little one seems to have bubbled/bled slightly and formed an even smaller one...i'm guessing that I might need to treat this with some more spurge? Any suggestons Bob?
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BobCA

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Posted - 07/13/2015 :  08:31:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wouldn't recommend using any ore Spurge until the lesion has healed completely. The Ingenol Mebutate will attack the good cells that are trying to heal as these cells are also rapidly dividing. Let it heal first the in another month you can apply not spurge. Not sure about the Olivr oil. The goal is to keep the scab moist.
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svanip

Australia
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Posted - 07/14/2015 :  03:30:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Everyone,
Just a quick update 5 years on, absolutely no sign of and BCC the area is completely healed and has left no visible scar tissue. For me the petty spurge works brilliantly.
Scott

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Your bcc area looks great svanip! Thanks for posting the regular pictures of your progress.

My 3 little plants are growing very slowly, but as soon as one is big enough I'll be starting the sap treatment on my bcc.




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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....

So far - 24th of March 2010 - I went for a Skin Check with my local GP I pointed out a legion I was concerned about "not seen by Dr" - A Shave biopsy taken following day of a 7 x 4 mm legion on Upper Left Lip region....

9 Days Pass
Biopsy / Histology result was of a multifocal superficial BCC..

GP referred to plastic surgeon for surgical removal - surgeon not available to see me 12 weeks.....

After much deliberation and investigation I decided to try Petty Spurge treatment - it pretty much grows in every garden as a pest weed here......

6 April Image shows ľ Start "2 weeks post shave biopsy" - Then the following morning after initial application of the Milk/Sap.

Euphorbia Peplus - Petty Spurge - Radium Weed - Cancer Weed

SEEDS - try here www.beautanicals.com.au ( Service was very good )

WARNINGS:
This substance contains known carcinogens.... Try it at your own risk !!!

You may need to copy and paste this link.....

http://www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge(Petty)/Spurge(Petty).htm

Treatment:
What does the active ingredient do:

Basically the Sap starts to kill the Cancer Cells (Cell Necrosis) within hours of the application then the active components in the sap induce a secondary inflammatory response at the site of the application within 24-48 Hrs, which in turn generates tumor-specific antibodies to hopefully get rid of the balance of the nasty cells.... Something like that anyway - in very simple terms....

My treatment plan 12 Days twice a day application.....

Pre Treatment Image - 2 Weeks Post BCC Shave Biopsy

Me: svanip@hotmail.com

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First Day of Treatment !

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Day 2 approx 36 Hrs Post Euphorbia Peplus Sap/Latex Application - it is growing

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Day 2 Afternoon Update - Its drying out and not stinging so much.....

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Day Six - Morning Image - sorry re the lack of weekend images. It was a very painful weekend but not unbearable - the scab had completely covered the inflamed areas and came off on several occasions. I do quite a bit of sport - ie cycling and swimming so with the sweating and being in the water for several hours the area was scab free. The area seems to have stopped growing and feels like it is calming down somewhat ie: less pain and less blistering scabbing etc -I am opting for a review after the 12 Day x twice a day application period which is a little more than most I have read about online using Euphorbia Peplus raw sap only - I will continue to apply until the scabbing has been resolved then rest and recovery. I do not wash the sap off and I have not covered the area -unless showering etc then I re apply and let it dry on the treatment area - The amount of sap I use is quite small - a tiny drop - maybe the size of a pin head or two. This seems to be an ample quantity to soak into the treatment area - the sap is quite watery and not very viscous - it flows very willingly and spreads out over the area rapidly - the activity of the sap appears to radiate out and around the original treatment area without any need to cover it completely be careful this is a very strong substance indeed - as you can see from the images. I noted that several people had stated the the treatment was not painful - well on the face it is quite painful and it burns for several hours, if you can imagine a mild acid or caustic burn - that is what it is similar too - for me anyway.... enjoy

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Day 6 of treatment....

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Day 7 Images - The area appears to be healing and feeling OK the scabbing is very thick and firm now - the treatment area has some skin flaking around the margin - I am still applying the raw sap to the top of the scab after showering etc - it is still burning, so I guess the treatment is still working......

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This afternoons shot of the crusty demon - was a mild burning sensation all day "as usual" no great change today !

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Morning of Day 8 - Feeling similar scab is quite thick still some mild stinging after application of raw sap - not unbearable though.


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Afternoon Day 8 - Its Itchy and annoying !


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Morning Day 9 went for a hard twilight bike ride last night a lot of sweating etc - so in the middle of the scab the dark area is a crater about 3mm deep which obviously washed out with the fluids. this was the location of the original BCC Site - Ewwwwww Gross .....


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Afternoon Day 9 - Not much to report - its very crusty itchy and annoying - the scab is huge and very thick, you cant see it on the image really...


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Morning Day 10 - Went for a 2K swim last night - scab is still mainly intact due to attached beard I think - not much change to the area, it is tender and a little itchy quite a bit of new pink skin is visible - I use a prescription antibacterial cream called Bactroban 2% at night over the entire area - want to minimize any secondary infection after swimming etc.

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Afternoon Day 10 - Feeling OK at the moment not much pain at all today, scab is shrinking "with help" if it wasn't in such a prominent position you would barley know it was there


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Morning Day 13 after some sporting activities and shaving the large scabs came of with a smaller center piece from the original BCC site still remains... have stopped the application of the raw sap and am covering the area with Bactroban 2% to aid in healing the area... lets hope that the BCC is dead and gone !!!


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Afternoon Day 13

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This is a close up of the site morning Day 13 v's Day 1 pre application..
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Day 14 Scab came off and left area visible......Second image is a close up shot - not sure if the BCC is gone or still alive.....


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Afternoon Day 14
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Morning Day 15 Healing well.....
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Close Up Day 15


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Day 15 afternoon image

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Day 16 Morning Image (Vitamin E used over night)


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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2015 :  06:29:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Svanip - That is great news and thanks for the followup. A new study has come out of New Zealand on the use of Niacinamide to significantly reduce the recurrence of Actinic Keratosis (AKs). Niacinamide is the -amide form of vitamin B3. The study has subjects taking an oral dose of 500mg/day. This stuff is really cheap, less than $10/month, and readily available. Not to be confused with Niacin which is also B3. It sometimes goes by the name Nicotinamide.
I am also using Niacinamide serum, a small tab goes a long way, and works by promoting healthy regeneration of skin cells as well as an inhibitor to UV light damage. According to studies it can help the cell's DNA resist mutational damage from the sun's UV light. Niacinamide serum has been used medically to even out skin tone as well as heal acne scars.
You'll need to hunt around a little for lotions that contain Niacinamide but I have found it on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J5N0Y4U?refRID=2GDVMYEESA5JB9F3CD58&ref_=pd_ys_sf_s_rp_a1_1_p
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BobCA

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Posted - 07/14/2015 :  06:43:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
judo - Sorry for all the typos on my previous reply as I was on my mobile and didn't recheck my typing. Let me please elaborate further.

Ingenol Mebutate, the active ingredient in Petty Spurge and Picato, works by attacking cells that are dividing rapidly. Cancer cells as well as new cells repairing a wound divide quickly. The risk of using Petty Spurge over too long a period of time or in this case, on a lesion that may still be healing, is that it can attack the good cells trying to divide and form new skin. I would hold off using any additional Petty Spurge until one month after the wound has completely healed. Petty Spurge will not help this lesion heal. If the lesion seems to take a long time to heal I would get it checked out. Remember, Ingenol Mebutate is prescribed for Actinic Keratosis and not for squamous nor basal cell carcinoma but many users here have had good results using it on both squamous and basal cell carcinomas. The risk is that with squamous cell carcinoma it can metastasize (spread). We certainly want to catch it before that ever happens.
Regarding the use of Olive oil on a scab - My only concern would be that the olive oil would not provide that topical barrier like a petrolatum (vaseline) and may get absorbed. A bigger concern would be that it could grow bacteria because unlike petrolatum it is organic. If you have an open lesion I would pick up a small tube of aquaphor or neosporin. My surgeon and dermatologist no longer recommend these as they found some people can be alergic and the antibiotic benefit over petrolatum is minimal.
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judo

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Posted - 07/14/2015 :  07:26:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Bob and svanip, both very kind and useful comments. The PS has definitely done some good, I seem to back to where I was when this initially flared up about 18mnths ago, just a little scab that i accidentally brush off after a shower. To all intents and purposes it does look healed but I'll hang on a bit longer before re-treating. I think that this particular part was so well covered with a scab before that the PS may not have penetrated it enough.

Svanip's treatment was over quite a long time period, I treated for 7-8 days, a couple of drops a day, so maybe not long enough?
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2015 :  07:54:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
judo- If it is a tiny superficial scab that easily picks off it sounds like you may be ready for another treatment of PS. Remember that Ingenol Mebutate works at the cellular level and the small amount we put on will find it's way to the remote cells. I understand people have used it PS many ways regarding duration, application, and some even cover it with tape. I use it the way Picato is prescribed. Once a day for three days. The strongest reaction will come within the first 24-48 hours. Now, with that said, Picato is prescribed for AK and not basal or squamous cell carcinomas so it could be the three day treatment is valid for the most superficial of lesions. Ingenol Mebutate does not get absorbed into the body so your liver and other organs are safe from overuse so the only risk I can see is at what point has it killed all of the cancer and started to react with the normal healing cells. Be aware of that balance and you should be fine. Remember, you can always retreat as many times as it takes.
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judo

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Posted - 07/14/2015 :  08:07:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bob, it is very much superficial so I feel much more comfortable about giving it another go. We have some growing in our garden so I'll start another round on the basis that Picato is prescribed and keep you up to date.

Best wishes
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judo

33 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2015 :  01:27:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, I put the first drop of PS on last Tuesday evening (just one drop), same on Wed and Thurs, so once a day for 3 days. By the second day the scab had started to grow out an up and continued to do so fr a few days, but still smaller than my initial treatment. Again, although it's was quite red, it was also yellow with puss (that's what it looked like anyway) and it would leak occasionally, especially if I got it wet in the shower. This morning it was pretty loose so I moved it with a q tip (moved, not picked) and it slid off. Underneath it still looks a bit messy but not as bad as the scab thing. Guess I'll just leave it alone now and see what happens, will report back in a week or so with another update.
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Thomas Haugen

USA
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Posted - 07/23/2015 :  19:46:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have petty spurge seeds for anyone in the USA.

The tiny plants don't seem to like transplanting so maybe best to grow seeds outside in damp, partly shady to shady garden ares. Two months or more to reach a usable 4" size.

Tom
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Thomas Haugen

USA
94 Posts

Posted - 08/04/2015 :  16:44:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The seeds are free, just email me through this forum and I'll email you my address. Then send me a padded SASE and I'll mail you the seeds, probably some time later in August. Can't hurry Nature.
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