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anivoc
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fforest
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 Posted - 09/29/2007 : 19:42:02
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If any one knows of a 100% pure source for D-limonene please post..The citri-solv was the purest orange oil I could find at a store near me...
Butylated Hydroxyanisole cant be all bad if they put it in food..It sound like reading this that it has good things and bad things about it...
http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa082101a.htm |
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maugen
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 21:04:36
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| When first reading about using orange oil on this forum, and prior to seeing the photo of citra-solv, I automatically assumed the essential oils that you purchase at the healthfood stores is what was being suggested to use. I was under the impression that these essential oils are pure concentrated oils. |
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maugen
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 22:01:33
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I would like to share my experience with the eggplant/vinegar applications.
I started with the mixture of whole eggplant (organic) pureed and covered with organic apple cider vinegar. This had an applesauce-like consistancy. Somehow I missed the point of letting it sit for 3 days in the refigerator and put it on immediately. I posted above how it seemed to cover with a yellowish film the first day and within 3 days seemed to be nearly healed.
In the meantime, I had read how the original method was to cut up eggplant, large pieces, cover it with vinegar, let it sit refrigerated for 3 days and then use the vinegar solution produced. So, day four, that is what I used. It seemed to make the cancer spot look even better. I was very impressed. It was now reddish, but appeared to be healed over. The surrounding skin on my nose looked really good.
The next day, I put the vinegar solution on with a small gauze piece and covered it with tape. This is the same way I had done it the day before.
Up to this point all applications had felt very soothing.
Well, this day two of vinegar solution began to burn everywhere on my nose, good tissue mostly. I kept it on for a couple of hours. (The day before it had been on several hours.) I couldn't take it much longer, so I washed it off. My nose was blistered and burned pretty badly. I put vasoline on it and have kept it covered for 3 days, washing it and putting new vasoline and a bandage on twice a day. Today, the good skin looks fantastic and the cancer looks better than ever. Seems healed over to me. I do want to continue to put it on for two weeks, but I am not sure what may have caused the excoriation.
The second batch, the one that burned me, I had put into a canning jar. The canning jar has a seal that keeps it pretty air-tight. I wondered if this may have been a bad idea. I wanted to use glass and this was the only one I had large enough to put a whole eggplant into. The jars that I had put the first mixture into, the applesauce-like mixture, were not air-tight.
Could that have been the difference? Could the mixture have fermented too much in an anaerobic environment? I am a little concerned about what to use now. I don't think I will using a canning jar again. I plan to go back to my first method.
Fortunately, the outcome was good, but I really do not want to burn again. Maybe I have found a new way to do derm-abrasion, though ;).
I have only used eggplant/vinegar and vasoline with a bandaid when out and bedtime so far, and I am very impressed with what looks like a complete healing. I am not very experienced, having only one BCC in the past; 15 years ago. I will reserve my final declaration of a complete healing for now, even though it looks that way to me. I have a post-biopsy, pre-surgery appointment next week. I will see what the dermatologist thinks.
Gayle
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anivoc
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 22:56:07
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Gayle,
I kind of doubt there is any difference in the 2 mixes. I think ( and this is just my thoughts) that vinegar is an acid just like the chemicals they use to do a dermabraision so yes the more you do it and the longer it is exposed the more apt to burn the skin. The first few days you were wearing it down and when you used the new batch it was just to a point that it blistered. That's my thinking on it. I'm not a chemist but it just doesn't make sense that the better seal would make a difference.
It is interesting about the gauze and the long time soaking of the lesion. Maybe that is where I'm going wrong. The problem is that my BCC is on the top of my head so I will need to shave that area to cover it and tape it. I'm not too keen on that. Reality is if I have to go to the Doc for this that's what he's going to do anyway. I'm in sales and a bit self conscience about doing that but it may be time to bite the bullet and just do it.
Thanks for sharing your experience and I hope the results with the derm come out well.. Do let us know.
Thanks,
Tom
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Mandi
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 00:55:21
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Forgive me, I'm new to the forum. I posted another thread asking for suggestions for treating actinic cheilitis. My lips are peeling constantly, often raw once scabs/skin comes off and very painful. It really sounds like the vinegar is going to BURN badly. Am I right??
Also - where do I get Orange Oil??? |
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Martha1
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 07:55:30
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| Mandi, I used NOW Foods organic orange oil. It is probably available in health food stores, but I bought mine on-line from iHerb at http://www.iherb.com/ Just search on orange oil. I got the 4-ounce size for $4.69 plus shipping. NOTE: Orange oil burns too, especially on the face. |
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rocco
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:48:53
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Originally posted by fforest
If any one knows of a 100% pure source for D-limonene please post..The citri-solv was the purest orange oil I could find at a store near me...
Butylated Hydroxyanisole cant be all bad if they put it in food..It sound like reading this that it has good things and bad things about it...
http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa082101a.htm
fforest or anyone else,
The bottle of CirtiSolv that I have lists only D-limonene and "biodegradable cleaning agents (derived from coconut)" as ingredients. Would the biodegradable cleaning agents be the BHA?
Also, the bottle that I have is different than the one that you posted the picture of. I bought it at Whole Foods as well. It may be just a different label, or maybe it is different altogether? |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2007 : 11:00:20
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Originally posted by Martha1
Mandi, I used NOW Foods organic orange oil. It is probably available in health food stores, but I bought mine on-line from iHerb at http://www.iherb.com/ Just search on orange oil. I got the 4-ounce size for $4.69 plus shipping. NOTE: Orange oil burns too, especially on the face.
I went to the local health food store in my towm and I am pretty sure this is what they had. When I read the ingredients ( very fine print ) it said it was orange oil mixed with other natural oils. I'm looking for 100% d-limonene (Orange oil extract)
Mandi can you take a look at what your label says and report back?
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maugen
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 13:28:48
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Forgive me, I'm new to the forum. I posted another thread asking for suggestions for treating actinic cheilitis. My lips are peeling constantly, often raw once scabs/skin comes off and very painful. It really sounds like the vinegar is going to BURN badly. Am I right??
Also - where do I get Orange Oil???
Mandi,
I am not sure about actinic cheilitis. The eggplant and vinegar mixture did not burn and was very soothing for the first 4 days that I used it for my basal cell cancer spot on my nose. I had an open wound there also from where the dermatologist had done a biopsy. I was only leaving the mixture on for about an hour at a time and it appeared to be healing my spot completely. I had burning only after I made the mixture a different way and left it on most of the day for two days. Even with that, everything healed in three days and looks wonderful. I am not recommending that, though.
I know you can buy pure orange oil at most of my healthfood stores. It is with all of the other essential oils. I am not sure that is what is being recommended and I have not tried it. I understand what has been used does burn.
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maugen
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 13:37:56
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[quote]Originally posted by anivoc
Gayle,
I kind of doubt there is any difference in the 2 mixes. I think ( and this is just my thoughts) that vinegar is an acid just like the chemicals they use to do a dermabraision so yes the more you do it and the longer it is exposed the more apt to burn the skin. The first few days you were wearing it down and when you used the new batch it was just to a point that it blistered. That's my thinking on it. I'm not a chemist but it just doesn't make sense that the better seal would make a difference.
It is interesting about the gauze and the long time soaking of the lesion. Maybe that is where I'm going wrong. The problem is that my BCC is on the top of my head so I will need to shave that area to cover it and tape it.
Tom,
One thing that makes me think it was different was that it had a sort of "sudsy" consistancy and the first one didn't. Maybe I had just left it on too long?
Could you part your hair at the spot and put a soaked cottonball or gauze there and not shave the hair? Keep it on when you are home for however long you determine? You could tape the gauze/cottonball down. Of course, it would be taped to hair and you may have to hold pretty still. You could do it longer on the weekends or more times on the weekends?
Gayle
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SoFl
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 13:39:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Mandi
Forgive me, I'm new to the forum. I posted another thread asking for suggestions for treating actinic cheilitis. My lips are peeling constantly, often raw once scabs/skin comes off and very painful. It really sounds like the vinegar is going to BURN badly. Am I right??
Also - where do I get Orange Oil???
Hi Mandi. I have a similar thing on my lower lip. About 10 years ago I also had an scc in situ removed surgically from that area.
I have been using the eggplant/vinegar mixture on my lower lip and it doesn't burn. It actually feels soothing. I don't get scabs though...my situation isn't that bad.
Once the mixture sits for a few days, the vinegar seems to get less acidic. It actually gets a little sticky/sugary and I think that has something to do with the plant sugars in the eggplant that have the active ingredient in it.
If you do get scabs, you might want to have it checked out by a dermatologist (biopsy) because ak can morph into scc and on the lip that can be serious. That's what happened to me. It has a greater rate of metastasis on the lip. That's what I was told by the derms anyway.
The standard treatment for it is efudex which burns like a mother on your lip and after a few weeks your lip looks like it had battery acid poured on it. You have to repeat the treatment every few years. I've done it 4 times now. I'm looking for something better.
I bought some stuff at whole foods in the womens aromatherapy section by the vitamins called Aura Cacia Organics Sweet Orange Certified Organic essential oil. I believe it is pure orange oil. It definitely smells and feels like pure orange oil. It is an extremely lightweight volatile oil. The bottle is small. .33 fl oz.
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SoFl
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 13:43:24
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Originally posted by maugen
[quote]Originally posted by anivoc
Gayle,
I kind of doubt there is any difference in the 2 mixes. I think ( and this is just my thoughts) that vinegar is an acid just like the chemicals they use to do a dermabraision so yes the more you do it and the longer it is exposed the more apt to burn the skin. The first few days you were wearing it down and when you used the new batch it was just to a point that it blistered. That's my thinking on it. I'm not a chemist but it just doesn't make sense that the better seal would make a difference.
It is interesting about the gauze and the long time soaking of the lesion. Maybe that is where I'm going wrong. The problem is that my BCC is on the top of my head so I will need to shave that area to cover it and tape it.
Tom,
One thing that makes me think it was different was that it had a sort of "sudsy" consistancy and the first one didn't. Maybe I had just left it on too long?
Could you part your hair at the spot and put a soaked cottonball or gauze there and not shave the hair? Keep it on when you are home for however long you determine? You could tape the gauze/cottonball down. Of course, it would be taped to hair and you may have to hold pretty still. You could do it longer on the weekends or more times on the weekends?
Gayle
based on my experience so far with the EP mixture, I agree that the longer you use it, the more likely it is to burn for the reason you state...the acetic acid in the mix sort of works like a slow chemical skin peel.
I also believe however that the mix is more prone to stinging after it has been mixed up and left out at room temperature for a few days. I don't have any theory as to why that is. |
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Mandi
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 14:33:25
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Originally posted by SoFl
quote:
Originally posted by Mandi
Forgive me, I'm new to the forum. I posted another thread asking for suggestions for treating actinic cheilitis. My lips are peeling constantly, often raw once scabs/skin comes off and very painful. It really sounds like the vinegar is going to BURN badly. Am I right??
Also - where do I get Orange Oil???
Hi Mandi. I have a similar thing on my lower lip. About 10 years ago I also had an scc in situ removed surgically from that area.
I have been using the eggplant/vinegar mixture on my lower lip and it doesn't burn. It actually feels soothing. I don't get scabs though...my situation isn't that bad.
Once the mixture sits for a few days, the vinegar seems to get less acidic. It actually gets a little sticky/sugary and I think that has something to do with the plant sugars in the eggplant that have the active ingredient in it.
If you do get scabs, you might want to have it checked out by a dermatologist (biopsy) because ak can morph into scc and on the lip that can be serious. That's what happened to me. It has a greater rate of metastasis on the lip. That's what I was told by the derms anyway.
The standard treatment for it is efudex which burns like a mother on your lip and after a few weeks your lip looks like it had battery acid poured on it. You have to repeat the treatment every few years. I've done it 4 times now. I'm looking for something better.
I bought some stuff at whole foods in the womens aromatherapy section by the vitamins called Aura Cacia Organics Sweet Orange Certified Organic essential oil. I believe it is pure orange oil. It definitely smells and feels like pure orange oil. It is an extremely lightweight volatile oil. The bottle is small. .33 fl oz.
Thanks for the info. I bought some eggplant today and I am going to start ASAP. I REALLY hope it works as I am a nurse and I was REALLY dreading the efudex treatment (can't take off work during treatment time and I don't want to look awful at work during that period). I'm at my wits end. My lip is constantly swollen, peeling or raw and very painful. I think I should get a biopsy, but I will do that if this doesn't work. Please keep your fingers crossed for me. |
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Mandi
19 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2007 : 14:46:16
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| I also either over looked it or it wasn't mentioned...since I cannot bandage my entire lip, how long should I leave the mixture on and how often should I treat it? |
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Martha1
50 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2007 : 16:43:02
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quote:
Originally posted by anivoc
quote:
Originally posted by Martha1
Mandi, I used NOW Foods organic orange oil. It is probably available in health food stores, but I bought mine on-line from iHerb at http://www.iherb.com/ Just search on orange oil. I got the 4-ounce size for $4.69 plus shipping. NOTE: Orange oil burns too, especially on the face.
I went to the local health food store in my towm and I am pretty sure this is what they had. When I read the ingredients ( very fine print ) it said it was orange oil mixed with other natural oils. I'm looking for 100% d-limonene (Orange oil extract)
Mandi can you take a look at what your label says and report back?
Thanks,
Tom
Tom, it was I who wrote about using NOW orange oil. I'm looking at the bottle now, and it says "100% Pure & Natural Orange Oil." I don't see any other mention of ingredients. In the directions, it says it is for use in aromatherapy only, and if used for other purposes, it should be diluted with a carrier oil. |
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Mandi
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 10:18:47
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| I did three seperate treatments yesterday for about 20 min each time (bandaging lips is complicated and somewhat messy). The definitely changed colors, especially where the worse areas are. There was some burning during and after treatment. I will get some aloe. They looked worse than normal this morning. I don't know if that is to be expected. |
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SoFl
79 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2007 : 11:07:08
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Originally posted by Mandi
I did three seperate treatments yesterday for about 20 min each time (bandaging lips is complicated and somewhat messy). The definitely changed colors, especially where the worse areas are. There was some burning during and after treatment. I will get some aloe. They looked worse than normal this morning. I don't know if that is to be expected.
I used the mix several times a day for a week on my lower lip. It felt better but it did seem to be eating on the ak areas over time...so I'm taking a few days off before I go back on. The key for me is that I'm looking for a treatment that will make it better without getting worse first. So I'm going to try a longer term less frequent use approach with the EP mix on the lip. The lip is more sensitive than other areas. I've been using it daily on my hand which has some suspicious spots and it's just about completely cleaned up without "looking worse" or feeling worse first. I believe there is something to this treatment but I think there are a lot of unknowns in terms of what's the best way to treat....how to make the mix best..etc.
I'm also going to talk to my derm about a new product called solaraze
(Diclofenac Sodium 3%) made by a company in Canada this week. It's supposed to work by being an anti inflammatory agent and is approved for use on AK. It says it's "well tolerated" whatever that really means. |
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Mandi
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 14:28:34
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| I guess I need to take some pictures so you guys can see what I am dealing with. Besides, hopefully, I can use them later to show SUCCESS with the treatment. |
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dan
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 21:52:33
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There have been concerns in this thread regarding orange oil products. I have used three orange oil products: Ecover (now discontinued), Orange TKO, and NOW essential orange oil. The Ecover and Orange TKO products were definitely more concentrated than the NOW product. I have not used Citrisolve because I was also worried about the ingredient list.
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I think the Orange TKO product is a good choice. Shown is a small spray bottle that can be handy for areas other than the face.
This is part of the FAQ section at http://www.tkoorange.com/html/faq_s.html
"Q: Is TKO safe to use around food?
A: Yes. Orange TKO is non-toxic. In fact, you will find our Agriculture Number on the label, which means that TKO is approved by Agriculture Canada for use in registered food establishments.
Q: What exactly is Orange TKO? Tell me how it is made.
A: Orange TKO is an emulsifier made from the peel of the orange. D'limonene is the active ingredient that gives citrus cleaners the punch. Through a double distillation process, d'limonene is separated from the orange oil, removing the acidity, leaving Orange TKO with a neutral pH. This double distillation process preserves the organic integrity of Orange TKO. Orange TKO is not corrosive, and leaves no residue. Two environmentally friendly (EPA approved) surfactants are added to allow d'limonene to blend with water. Surfactants are also wetting agents, which gives TKO more cleaning strength.
Q: If there are no synthetic chemicals in TKO, what IS in it?
A: Orange TKO contains d'limonene, surfactants, and oxygen has been added. There are no petroleum distillates or other synthetic chemicals. It is 100% natural."
The same company also has a MSDS (material safety data sheet) at http://www.tkoorange.com/html/msds.html
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2007 : 22:19:12
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| Well I went to the spice section of the local grocery store. Schilling makes an orange oil extract. Obviously it is for human consumption so I would hope it is safe. It does have alcohol and water in it. It was $5 and I have tried it today. Smells good, stung a bit (Alcohol?).. we'll see. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 22:27:04
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Orange Oil Overdose!
Wow! I wouldn't have thought it could happen.
I got my Schilling Orange oil extract and with a q-tip spread it all over my face where I have AKs and BCC's. It burned a bit and all the effected areas lit up red. Didn't think much about it, it usually takes an hour or so for things to subside...uh uh
It got worse and my whole face swelled up.. not Quasimodo style but definitely noticeable.
It took about 4 days for the swelling and redness to go down. Much of my cheek skin looked similar to an orange peel in texture.
Powerful stuff.. Now I am using the orange oil specifically on real problem spots and letting it sink in for a few minutes before I put on skin cream..
Still working on the nasty on top of my head ..maybe making progress but if I am it is Sloooooow.
I clean it each morning and apply a E/V sauce mixed with orange oil dmso and vitamin e cream. Then cover it up with my hair. In the evening I soak it with eggplant vinegar and then smear a dollop of e/v sauce on it for the night. It dries up overnight and keeps the ulcers from bleeding on my pillow case..( I know gross )
It might just be a sad case of high hopes but I think it is getting smaller, albeit sloooooowly. I'll keep posting till I either win or give up on this method. |
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Martha1
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 22:59:10
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| Anivoc, I also found that orange oil stings when applied to the face. Once I applied the NOW organic orange oil with a Q-tip all over my nose and surrounding area - cheeks, forehead, and upper lip - and it stung all over, even on skin that looked completely healthy. I assume that means the skin of the face is especially sensitive and vulnerable. Maybe that's why so many of us have gotten skin cancer or pre-cancer on the face. I don't usually bother with sun block, but I am wondering if it makes sense to use it on the face, even if one doesn't use it on the rest of the body. |
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mgnatural
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Posted - 10/15/2007 : 21:50:31
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First I want to say Hi! I am new here but not new to what you are all doing. I actually came here while doing research for my natural cures book -- and I want to thank you all for sharing your experiences.
I had a couple of comments after reading your posts that I wanted to share. Actually this will sounds somewhat contradictory but I think you will get it. First if you want to put the mixture of EV on your face without it getting in your eyes -- use vaseline around your eye area to create a barrier - the mixture will not pass through the vaseling but will ride around it.
Second don't use vaseline - not on skin you want to heal -- after a burning or stinging sensation. Vaseline is a petrochemical -- use ALOE it is natural and will heal while it soothes your skin.
I am anxiously awaiting further comments from all of you on your successes with your own natural cures! |
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rustydownunder28
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Posted - 10/16/2007 : 06:49:56
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| Regarding the glycoalkaloid in eggplant and others; ie devil apple here in australia. The active compounds are solosanine and solamargine and SOLBEC Pharmaceuticals call this compound coramsine and it is active against most types of agressive cancers. However, be careful when mixing eggplant extract with oils as if a reaction takes place it binds irreversible the active compounds and neutralises their effect and you cannot even separate them in a HPLC. These active ingredients work best in a water based compounds. From memory there is a method of extracting these active compounds with a vinegar process, which I saw on a science paper when perusing medline etc, or conversely alcohol or methanol. I work as a scientist and have followed the development of these drugs for many years. They hold great promise. Farmers here have used the devil apple extract for generations to get rid of suncancers etc. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2007 : 11:45:37
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Welcome Rusty,
Thanks for the info! Probably one of the biggest problems with what we are doing here is the stab in the dark, no standards experimenting we are doing. Your input, thoughts and suggestions are encouraged and could help a lot of people so please feel free to jump in and share.
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jan
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:19:28
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I've been reading all the postings with much interest. I haven't seen anybody checking in for about a month now, and I'm wondering how the eggplant treatment has worked for all of you.
I have a question: would freezing the eggplant mixture be detrimental to its potency? I made up a batch (blended) and there's so much of it I wonder if it will go bad in the refrigerator before I use it up. My BCC is only the size of a pea. This site has been VERY HELPFUL. Thank you so much for all your inputs. |
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Bawarchi
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Posted - 10/23/2007 : 04:41:40
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I just found this forum tonight after getting the biopsy results a week ago for the little dark spot just above my lip: BCC. I guess I'll postpone the excision appointment for now and start my eggplant treatment tomorrow.
Could someone tell me what the potential cons of excision are for removing a small BCC? It's the only option my GP gave me.
Also, does anyone know if it matters whether I keep shaving or not? The BCC is in the mustache zone.
Thanks for being here. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 20:15:57
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Originally posted by jan
I've been reading all the postings with much interest. I haven't seen anybody checking in for about a month now, and I'm wondering how the eggplant treatment has worked for all of you.
I have a question: would freezing the eggplant mixture be detrimental to its potency? I made up a batch (blended) and there's so much of it I wonder if it will go bad in the refrigerator before I use it up. My BCC is only the size of a pea. This site has been VERY HELPFUL. Thank you so much for all your inputs.
Hey Jan
Rocco, Dan and FForest have all had complete eradications of their skin cancer problems as I understand it. Correct me if I'm wrong guys)
For me the jury is still out. There is no doubt the eggplant is helping at least subside the growths. I am beginning to believe that the combo approach may be needed.
Keep in mind that none of these treatments are as painful or dramatic as bloodroot paste. You put bloodroot paste on and you are going to get an immediate and dramatic reaction. Used properly it will do a very good job, definitely better than a blind excision ( trying to remove a growth with out the Mohs procedure ) Nearly as good as a Mohs procedure with much less skin loss. Very painful, swelling and at least a month of bandages.
That said I have done the Bloodroot several times now. Though I have had success, over a period of years they come back. Not exactly where the original was but in the region. I would assume it is going to be the same with Mohs because most of us with AK &BCC issues have damage all over our face, head, neck, shoulders and arms..and sometimes lower trunk.
I am seeking a softer gentler way to achieve better results and think we are on the road to success here.
Here's the things that I feel have done some good.
(Do it your self stuff)
Eggplant w/vinegar sauce
Broccoli Flowerette sauce
vinegar juice left over from pickling the eggplant
Orange Oil
Baking Soda
Vinegar
Turpentine and or pine tar pitch
Caffeine
liquid tylenol
(Over the counter creams)
Cymilium ( who knows what the magic bullet is?)
Sunspot ES (active ingredient BEC5 from Eggplant)
Curaderm (active ingredient BEC5 from Eggplant)
On the pharma side.
Aladara
Effudex 5% flourocil
DMSO as carrier with most any of the above.
In regards to your eggplant sauce. I have kept about 3 cups of the sauce in a tupperware container for over a month kept unrefrigerated. No problem. The vinegar pickles the eggplant.
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wanthealth
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 13:19:23
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| I am so glad to have found this forum. I'm always looking for natural or home remedies as alternatives to today's flood of drugs on the market. At the same time, I'm not entirely against the newly discovered effective treatments, and have just two more days left on an Efudex treatment (actually just the generic flourouricil). It has been quite an experience! Very much redness, various discomfort and itching, and now just starting some rawness with oozing. Yuk. Hope lots of AK and BCC are killed off by this cream! This site and especially all of the info about eggplant & vinegar has given me some encouragement in my intent to fight against my skin cancer in an ongoing way - naturally. Thank you all for posting! This also fuels my desire for a formal education in the health field - at this point a dream still, but maybe someday a reality. It's never too late - right?! |
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delhiski
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Posted - 10/31/2007 : 22:48:38
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I completed my treatment of actinic cheilitis late July using Aldara cream, 3 times per week for 8 weeks. Very difficult treatment. Eats your lips off. My lips bled, large areas of skin came off and eating anything became a chore as you could not bite anything. Wow, you sure get a rude awakening on how important your lips are. Well that brings me to now.....My AC is back, I just went to my Derm Monday with a noticeable spot on now my upper lip and he confirmed it to be AC returning and is concerned on why it is back with the dramatic treatment of the Aldara cream??? There is other wide spread of AC on other parts of my lips and dryness, tightness on both upper and lower lip.
Next move is seeing a specialist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester. I have read all of your folks postings and have found them to be very informative and interesting. I will admit I am concerned at what the next potential steps may be for me? Any of you think the Vinger / eggplant treatment can work on the lips? Is teh orange oil to harsh for the lips? Sounds like it but wanted to get the groups consensus!!
Any thoughts on what the specialist may do to rid me of the AC? What should I guard for against for Treatment?
Any help or thoughts from you all on the AC would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan with Bum Lips!! |
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SoFl
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Posted - 11/02/2007 : 09:37:11
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Originally posted by delhiski
I completed my treatment of actinic cheilitis late July using Aldara cream, 3 times per week for 8 weeks. Very difficult treatment. Eats your lips off. My lips bled, large areas of skin came off and eating anything became a chore as you could not bite anything. Wow, you sure get a rude awakening on how important your lips are. Well that brings me to now.....My AC is back, I just went to my Derm Monday with a noticeable spot on now my upper lip and he confirmed it to be AC returning and is concerned on why it is back with the dramatic treatment of the Aldara cream??? There is other wide spread of AC on other parts of my lips and dryness, tightness on both upper and lower lip.
Next move is seeing a specialist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester. I have read all of your folks postings and have found them to be very informative and interesting. I will admit I am concerned at what the next potential steps may be for me? Any of you think the Vinger / eggplant treatment can work on the lips? Is teh orange oil to harsh for the lips? Sounds like it but wanted to get the groups consensus!!
Any thoughts on what the specialist may do to rid me of the AC? What should I guard for against for Treatment?
Any help or thoughts from you all on the AC would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan with Bum Lips!!
I have been having lip issues for years now. I had a scc in situ removed surgically about 15 years ago and have had to use efudex repeatedly for ak along the lower border of my lower lip. The efudex treatment on the lip is terrible and doesn't seem to be all that effective because the problem returns in about a year or even less.
I am now using something new called solaraze. It doesn't eat your lip up like the efudex or aldera. I'm supposed to use it for 90 days. I've been using it for about 30 days now and my lower lip feels better than its felt in years. There have been many days where it feels 100% normal and that is a first in many years.I still have two months of treatment to go but I am very encouraged because this doesn't eat up your lip to do it's work. It's a NSAID anti inflammatory drug. They don't seem to know exactly why or how it works on skin cancer but it is approved for that use.
I also tried the eggplant mix on my lip and I like the solaraze much better. I put it on with a small paint brush last thing before I go to bed at night. Ask your doc about it....mine had never used it on a lip before but I'm sure he's going to start when he sees how well mine is doing.
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 23:41:31
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Hi; -
For people with skin cancers, that are worried, and frantic, that they mite not find a cure for their skin cancers:
Do not fret; The cure for skin cancer already exists. It does not have to be invented. It is here now. It has a clinically proven cure rate of 98% on external cancers. It is also used by some on internal cancers. It has existed for 200 to 300 years. It is called the hoxsey salve, black salve, cansema, compound X , etc. It contains zinc chloride + bloodroot + other herbs. It will hunt down and destroy any cancer it comes in contact with.
It causes some burning senstation while it is on your skin, but it is only on your skin for 8 to 24 hours. Most skin lesions need only one application. Sometimes, there is a need for a 2nd application at the site if it looks suspicious after it heals, in about 2 months. It does not harm healthy skin. You do not have to fear that it will damage your good tissues. [But sometimes the cancer is much larger than what appears on the surface of the skin, and the wound left after the salve is used is also much larger than is expected. ]
It is superior to medical surgery, and mohs surgery. [ mohs took the hoxsey salve and created a convoluted protocol out of it, and made something simple into a complicated procedure ] It takes no healthy tissue. But The surgeon will take extra tissue beyond the cancer to make sure he gets it all.
From what I am reading in this forum, the "kinder and gentler" cancer salves are not less painfull than the Hoxsey salve. They are instead more painfull, more time consuming, and not dependable. And the cancers come back in quite a few people using them. From what I am casually reading, they do not work reliably.
There are now several websites that show how to use the hoxsey salves, complete with step by step directions, and plenty of photos. Do a google search on "cancer salve" , "black salve", cansema, to find those wibsites.
Before you use the salve, or buy it, go to CancerSalves.Com , and buy the book by Ingrid Naiman, for $28.00 or so. It will explain everything., especially how to do the bandaging. It is well worth the money .
The various salve formulas will cost you about $50, will do about 20 small cancers. The black salve kills the skin cancer down to its roots, and the cancers do not come back later.
If you are a person with a hundred small skin cancers on you, then don't treat but one cancer at a time., If you have a lot of cancers, then you need to realize that the problem is internal, then you need to take a internal blood cleanser, and clean your internal systems out, and try to rid yourself of the poisons that are causing the skin cancers to manifest on the surface of your skin. CureZone.Com has many forums dedicated to cleaning out your system, Kidneys, colon, liver, blood, parasites, etc etc. That would be a good website to start on.
If you have skin cancer, and are not too scared and frightened of not finding a cure, .... then you can relax and experiment with the natural substances and compounds that other skin cancer owners are experimenting with. But if they fail you, then you know you can revert to the proven hoxsey salves, before things get too far out of hand.
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disclosure: I do not sell hoxsey salves, I do not own a interest in any firm that sells hoxsey salves. I am not a doctor. I have used the salve in the past.
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anivoc
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 12:02:16
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Originally posted by drbeckl2
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disclosure: I do not sell hoxsey salves, I do not own a interest in any firm that sells hoxsey salves. I am not a doctor. I have used the salve in the past.
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Hi drbeck12,
If you go the pictures page you can see for yourself how bloodroot works.
I know VERY well first hand.. I am not a doctor either but I DO have skin cancers, HAVE used Bloodroot and definitely am trying to find a softer gentler way than Bloodroot paste..
Though the methods here still cause reactions and pain the intensity and reaction are not even close to as painful.
I admit I am less than happy about my success so far but I have made some progress using a variety of ideas posted here.
Though not perfect I have had some success with sunspot es. curaderm.
The eggplant vinegar though it does seem to do "something", I have had just as good results with just vinegar. I knocked out one AK for sure with just vinegar.. Can't say why it worked on one and not all the others.
Anyway you are right Blodroot is very effective..But it is also VERY painful and can leave serious scaring. Albeit so does surgery.
Lastly neither Surgery or Bloodroot is 100% guaranteed. Skin cancer can reoccur using either procedure. Generally if you have skin cancer you have a lot of damage in your exposed areas and your immune system is not strong enough to suppress the skin cancer meaning your going to continue to get them unless you can strengthen your immune system.
I need to rant more on this but need to get off to work..
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thanks01
170 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2008 : 20:24:32
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I have just finished creating a new thread under the "Skin disorders, treatments, and surgery topic." titled 'BCC “Case History, 2007”.' I copy out a section here pertaining to the EGGPLANT-VINEGAR mixture:
Observing the Eggplant-Vinegar Mixture:
I made the eggplant-vinegar mixture pretty much as indicated on the website. I did use apple cider vinegar but I did not use organic eggplant. I puréed it the best that I could, although the seeds remained. Later on I strained the purée, which is quite timestaking with the raw eggplant, but gives a much more manageable mixture. I kept the mixture in the refrigerator most of the time, but not always. Neither leaving it out for a few days nor letting it get fairly old seem to hurt it.
I started by applying the eggplant with a bandage over the spot, ordinary easy-pull-off bandages (not the stick-tight variety), or the micropore tape, sometimes even masking tape. This worked fine on my wrist, but I found that when the bandage held the mixture near my eye either the fumes or the liquid spreading on my skin or my eyelashes spreading it caused irritation inside my eye. This was tolerable but did not seem to be a good idea.
Next I tried “swiping” the mixture over the main spot as often during the day as I could remember to do it. I think this is when I made the least progress, probably because the quantity was just too thin. Later I went back to applying a good-size “gob” of the stuff over the spot and letting it just dry in place and stay there without a bandage. As one poster to the website mentioned, it seemed that each time the dried-up remainder of the gob was removed some skin peeled off and there were signs of improvement.
Regarding the changes in the spot, as one poster said (FForest, I think), almost as soon as I started with the mixture there was increased definition in the area. My BCC (size of a dime) had at that time left the “crater” stage and gone to a “pearls” stage. After applying the eggplant mixture, these pearls became more visible and seemed to separate from the spot. Over the weeks that I continued, I would say that the “pearls” slowly shriveled, disintegrated, and peeled off, although not completely.
In the middle of the treatment I had to return to the cosmetic surgeon for some questions about the biopsy. I quit using the mixture a couple of days before so that my face would look a bit more normal. And I think it was when I resumed that I started the “gob” application. It seemed that the quantity of mixture now at times was almost too irritating. The entire area of the actual spot and perhaps some places nearby were getting quite sore and red. This is probably desirable, but it leads me to suggest what I next tried with the break for the doctor visit, namely, “taking a vacation” once in a while and letting the surrounding skin kind of catch up and be more generally healthy.
My experience overall favors the “long and slow” approach, if and when I ever have another spot like this to deal with. I understand the concern about penetrating the depth of the spot, which is not named “basal” for nothing – it comes from the base of the skin. But a gradual exfoliation, worked on constantly, with “vacations,” seems constructive to me. Someone might reply that the reason I ultimately required the operation at the end of two months is that I had not reached the depth of the cancer. And I would say yes, that is why more time would be needed, but to have gone “faster” and more destructively did not seem to be a good idea. I think that I got better progress the other way.
For several days before the scheduled day of the Mohs surgery I once again “took a vacation,” to reduce surrounding inflammation and present a good appearance. I hoped to win the doctor over to let me continue as I had with the natural treatments. My personal observation was that the “pearls” had been reduced to very small pinpoint scabs, truly smaller than before, and almost peeled off entirely. Behind the “pearls” there still seemed to be a darkly red color to the original spot which looked different from normal, even reddened, skin.
Requiring surgery, after all:
I kept to the original schedule, but I did at least ask the Mohs surgeon whether she really needed to do the operation, and whether it might be so slight that she herself could stitch it instead of my needing the cosmetic operation the next day. She kindly replied that she did indeed see improvement in the spot, but that she still felt it needed the operation. I trusted her enough to believe her, and put my incomplete success down to lack of time.
During the operation she did a “first pass” and found “firm perimeters,” which was encouraging. She told me that she needed to take a “second pass” for depth (meaning mere fractions of an inch). She also said that the area worked on required that I have the repair done by the cosmetic surgeon the next day. So I complied with both scheduled operations. I feel the surgeons did their respective jobs very well. Since I am still healing, the final result is not clear, but the cosmetic surgeon worked very delicately. All people involved were very kind and skilled and I do trust them. I am sure that these well-trained scientists are needed in some cases, especially where the cancer has been allowed to make too much progress.
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luckylouie
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Posted - 01/19/2008 : 23:13:46
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I read the earthcure post regarding eggplant vinegar and here is my experience using it. Firstly let me say, I do not have skin cancer. I had a small sunspot on my right forearm, which had been there for over 10 years, along with an age spot on my left cheek, also around 10 years old, which had a flat, slightly scaly feel which was not obvious unless you felt it or caught it in just the right light. So my experience may not be particularly relevant to many people on the forum. I also had a couple of other age spots on my face and my main reason for using the eggplant vinegar was to get rid of these.
I had also read that onion juice would get rid of age spots. I blended some eggplant and onion with apple cider vinegar, popped it in a glass jar and left it for a week or so. I then strained off the vinegar, diluted some of it with rosewater (about 20% vinegar and 85% roseswater) and left some of it at full strength. I used the diluted mix every evening over my whole face, neck, hands and forearms as a toner, followed by a spot treatment on the actual age spots with the undiluted mixture.
After a week I noticed the age spots on my face had gotten darker and a couple of others had appeared. After two weeks I found that they were getting slightly rough and scaly in texture. Once again this would only be noticable by touch, none of this is very major. I had very minor peeling and the older age spot began to flake small thick scaly skin. After three weeks the other age spots began to react the same way. The rest of my skin remained healthy and did not appear to be adversely affected by the mix. However remember I was applying only a very diluted mixture to the whole face/neck etc. The acid did work as a very mild chemical peel and the skin wherever I used it became smoother and fairer in colour.
I continued this for three months and most of my age spots disappeared completely. The same treatment did not work for the sunspot on my arm. The top layer of skin became thicker and white in colour, while underneath became slightly red and irritated looking. After three weeks I changed tactics. I used a pumice stone to gently remove some of the top layer of thickened skin every couple of days, and used the undiluted mixture twice a day. At the end of three months the sunspot has decreased in size by 80% and there is no more thickening of the skin, just a faint red spot. I will continue applying the undiluted mixture twice a day and see what happens.
The only other change I made to my beauty routine was to use Olay Age Defying revealing day cream, once a day, under my sunblock. This contains 2% salicylic acid, and I was using it in order to get rid of some blackheads that were being caused by the thickness of my zinc oxide sunblock. The exfoliating action would, I suppose, have increased the exfoliating action of the vinegar mix.
For the record I am 44 with combination skin, but a tendency towards broken thread veins. This did not make them worse, and before using the mix on my face I did a test spot on my chest every day for a week to make sure it would not. |
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David
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Posted - 01/20/2008 : 08:58:41
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| I am new to this so forgive ignorance please. 63 year old fair skinned red head. Lots of skin damage by sun. Got prescription for Flouraplex 1% from general practictioner with no specific directions for use. Have been appying to face and hands for 12 days. No real effect on hands as yet but many red spots on face. Two areas are know open. Do I continue appling and if so for how long. Or should I discontue use and see what happens? I was thinking of stopping and start using Neutrogenia nigght serum. |
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claire
3 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 21:33:37
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Hi,
Background Info: I've had AK on the backs of my hands for about 10 years and AC on my lower lip for about 7 years. I used to have the doctor freeze the more troublesome spots (raised, or never healing) on my hands, which worked for all except two such spots, but nothing was ever done on my lip as my doctor seemed not to notice the severe chapping (it would come and go) and I was unaware that it was linked in any way to whatever was happening to my hands. Given the length of time I've had these problems, and my age (69),I think they have not become as severe as they might have. This is probably because I've been on a very strict anti-cancer diet for the last five years and consume, among other things, about two quarts of vegetable juice every day. (I know the juicing removed the age spots on my hands.)
Right now, my hands aren't bad at all. There are some light reddish areas, but nothing raised or ulcerated or scaly. Some of that healing I attribute to the use of iodine (I read it was used by a doctor in Rome to cure skin cancer) and magnesium chloride. But I wasn't using those products on my lip as I worried about how much they burned. Then, recently, with a very bad cold, my lip got very bad -- with a rather deep fissure. That's what drove me to this site.
I'm very grateful to have learned about eggplant and vinegar. I found that, like others here, that the burning is minimal and the site looks better right away. I pureed a small eggplant, added about 1/4 C apple cider vinegar, and let it sit for a couple of days. Then I packed it on my lower lip by keeping my lips closed (pushing the stuff up against the upper lip)and covering the band of puree with some Glad Wrap (safest brand to use). I hold the Glad Wrap in place with a circle of stretch fabric that runs from the top of my head down over my ears and across my lower lip and chin. I keep it on for a couple of hours. It does of course make me look ridiculous, but that's fine for when I'm home.
When I'm going out, I just rub some of the liquid over my lips and add a bit of sticky honey (YS Organic, *unheated* which is highly anti-virus, anti-bacteria and anti-fungal) The honey may sting briefly but then is very soothing (especially if I have applied iodine, which I still do) and also moisturizes the lip and makes it easier to stretch (as in smiling :))
There seems to be some disagreement as to the source of AK and AC, but aside from too much sun (which I think must be linked to at least one other factor), I think in my own case there is a likely connection to staph. An overgrowth of staph caused the acne I had most of my life, the rosacea that developed later in life, and the bletharitis (sp?) that has infected my eyelids. (Though these three problems have become virtually non-existent now through diet and lifestyle.)
Well, I've written a small book, but I wanted to post to share what has helped me and to express my gratitude for the new ideas I found on this forum.
Claire
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dan
612 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 22:56:24
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| Claire, thanks for the post. It's great to hear about your treatments and that they are working. You list vegetable juice, iodine, eggplant & vinegar, and honey (leaving out Glad Wrap!) as being helpful. Good natural stuff, and you can't beat the price. You may also like coconut oil which has lauric acid, known for being anti-viral, antibacterial and anti-fungal. |
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claire
3 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2008 : 20:10:49
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Dan,
I forgot to mention c.o. which I've been using for years internally and externally. I actually order 5 gallon drums at a time. It mixes nicely with my honey/eggplant juice-lipstick. :) |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2008 : 12:41:08
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Hey Claire
Not sure if you are already aware of it but there is a special Honey from New Zealand / Australia that is supposed to have superior healing and antibacterial properties called Manuka Honey.. hard to find here in the states but it is around.. There are different levels of healing properties in various brands so you need to educate yourself on it before you buy. |
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claire
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 12:15:20
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Anivoc,
I did actually try this honey about 3 or 4 years ago, but I had some problems digesting it. I might be okay with it now (my health being improved), but to get the "certified" version (not all the Manuka honeys are equally potent)means paying very big bucks for very little amount. As it is, the YS stuff is expensive for me. I buy it in cases since I use about 2-3 oz. a day.
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Allen
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 17:11:21
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Tried it for AK. Didn't do a thing.
Blended an eggplant in as little vinegar as needed to blend.
Used for over a month, twice daily (just left it on).
Again, no change.
Also have red areas, like a burn, (not sure what that is), didn't work on that either.
Wondering what would happen if I just used the peel (where the purple color is). May or may not. Also tried "sunspot." The thing that worked on some problems (not all) was carac (FU-5), and it is also easier to apply and less expensive (you get a large tube) if you have insurance. That (carac) did a heck of a job (not as in "heck of a job Brownie." but really, a good job) but it did not take care of some things.
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Allie
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Posted - 07/14/2008 : 08:07:57
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Hi All. Am new here. Thought I'd post my recent experiences with eggplant.
First, thanks so much for everyone's input and for this great forum. It's giving me a lot of hope for an alternative to surgery.
I was told last month that I have two skin cancers (not melanoma), that needed surgery and would leave bad scars. One lesion is on my nose, the other on my chest. In addition, my dermatologist said I had 2 other lesions that were "precancer wanting to be cancer", and I'd better get some health insurance.
I didn't like the idea of surgery, and I didn't know what else to do, so the next day I started a water fast to see if that might help.
About the 5th day of my fast, I found this forum. I looked at all the different suggestions, and I liked the eggplant method the best.
I decided to mix the eggplant with a few different things, being careful to leave out oils because of their possible binding effect as suggested by rustydownunder.
Though I haven't been mixing any oil with the eggplant, I've been applying tea tree oil between applications of the eggplant.
I don't blend the eggplant. I mash it instead in a suribachi. A suribachi is a Japanese mortar and pestle usually available at health food stores. I found that the advantages (for me) of mashing over blending are that mashing doesn't require adding any liquid (my skin is way too sensitive to vinegar), and I can prepare a very small amount of eggplant and make it fresh everyday.
I mash the long eggplants and use only the half attached to the stem end because it has less seeds. The other half is eaten.
To mash the eggplant, I cut it into small pieces, mash it till it's juicy instead of white, and then discard all the peel - keeping as much eggplant as possible. I then mash the eggplant up really well, and add the contents of 3 capsules of ground raspberry seed (for the ellagic acid), a dropper of oregano extract (not oregano oil), and a dropper of noni extract.
I cover my lesions with that mixture, then cover that with whatever bandage I can find that won't stick too hard to my skin.
I usually apply this mixture about 4 times a day, keeping it on for 2 - 4 hours each time. A couple of times during the day, I leave the mixture off, and I apply tea tree oil instead, leaving the bandages off.
I've found that the tea tree oil can become too inflamatory after a few days, so I've had to discontinue it a couple of times and apply aloe vera as an alternative. But I go back to the tea tree oil as soon as possible.
I've been doing this for the nose and chest lesion, plus the two areas that were considered "precancer wanting to be cancer", plus several suspected AKs and a couple of "age spots". It's been 5 weeks and here's what's happened:
The nose and chest lesions at first became very inflamed. The nose lesion soon appeared to cover a much larger area of my nose than originally seemed evident, with several channels spreading out from it. The main area was about 1/4" in diameter.
The chest lesion was already pretty large - about the size of a nickel. When it became inflamed, it seemed to grow to larger than a quarter.
By about the third day, both lesions started to blister. And by the fourth or fifth day, they had developed scabs. All the new little channels on my nose turned into a brown crust. At one point during this stage, the chest lesion seemed to take on the appearance of a flower, with petals about 3/4" long emmanating from the main lesion, and a little brown crust at the end of each petal. I enlarged the application of eggplant to cover the entire thing. Over a period of several days after that, the scabs and crust on my nose and chest started to peel, and a few days later, they were gone.
The scabs are gone now, but the areas are still pink. I'm still applying the eggplant, because even though the lesions seem vastly improved, they are not yet totally healed. Their progress was most dramatic during the first week or so. It's probably worth mentioning that I was still fasting during most of the first week of applications. That could have played an important healing role. I fasted for 9 days. Since then progress has been steady, but slow.
The pink area on the chest seems to be gradually shrinking, and healthy skin appears to be closing in on it. It now seems overall definitely smaller than a dime. It used to be extremely itchy if I touched it, or if my clothing touched it. The itchiness has almost completely disappeared.
The nose lesion has no scabbing or peeling, and the new channels have disappeared, but it still seems to have it's moods. Sometimes it seems more red, other times more faded. It's no longer sensitive to the touch like it was before the treatment. It seems to be slowly fading away, but not with the dramatic progress of the chest lesion.
Of the two lesions that were "precancer wanting to be cancer", the larger one has improved dramatically. It was about 1/2" in diameter, with a watery scab, and extremely itchy. Now the lesion is practically nonexistent, and it's becoming difficult to locate. If I rub the general area with water, I can see a faintly pink area. I'm still applying the eggplant.
The other "precancer wanting to be cancer" seemed to originate from an eyeglasses mark on one side of the bridge of my nose. It was small - about 1/8" diameter, but often with a watery scab and quite nasty looking. I'm still wondering if it's maybe some kind of fungus thing. It had some lines extending from it in different directions. It hasn't improved as much as the other one, but it's definitely smaller, with more of a crust now rather than a watery scab. It looks much less nasty. The extending lines have faded.
The AKs are all better, but none are completely gone - at least not yet. Age spots have faded somewhat.
Conclusion: I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. I'm really quite amazed and relieved about the progress so far, yet I still feel anxious, and I'd definitely like to be completely rid of these things. I've wanted to stay away from the Curaderm because of the urea in it (I'm a purist and set in my ways). But I've decided to order some Curaderm now so I'll have it in case I need it a month from now. I'll be away from home, and it won't be easy to mash eggplant everyday.
I'd really like do another fast to see if I can speed up the healing process again, but now I'm too busy. Plus, the progress so far has made me feel a little less desperate. But I've still been doing a 36 hour fast about twice a week, and eating vegan. Seems to help. I think it couldn't hurt.
I'll probably check back in later on to update my progress (or lack of).
Sorry this was so long.
Thank you again, forum!
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Allie
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Posted - 07/14/2008 : 14:58:03
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I was about to order some Curaderm to take along with me on my trip next month, but I began to question it and came across some discouraging information when I googled "Curaderm scam". I posted more on that on the thread here called "Curaderm ?".
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Allie
26 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2008 : 17:15:19
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Progress:
I'm still using the eggplant mix that I described above.
I've been mostly concerned about the lesion on my nose. It was sometimes getting very red and then fading, and then red again. But I've started to notice that after each red time, it's a little better later than it was before. Yesterday morning it was very red after several days of being faded. But when I looked at it closely, it seemed obvious that a layer of diseased skin had come off the top. So that's a GOOD thing. No wonder it was red! There are also 2 new tiny pinpoint scabs, one at each end of the lesion. The lesion has already faded again, and now it's more faded than ever.
The larger skin cancer on my chest continues to fade and shrink. Yesterday a small part of it had reddened, but that is gone now, and this skin cancer is also looking better than ever.
I'm concluding that these occasional reddenings are indications that the cancers are steadily cleaning themselves out, as evidenced by spurts of peeling skin at the surface. The peeling skin is pulled off by the eggplant, making the lesions temporarily appear more red.
Between applications of the eggplant mix, I'm not using the tea tree oil anymore. It just doesn't seem necessary, and it was becoming too irrating. I'm using aloe vera between applications instead of tea tree oil.
I'm still water fasting every fourth day. Also eating exclusively a raw food vegan diet, with B12 supplement. A couple of days ago I got a bottle of acai juice, a bottle of mangostein juice, and a bottle of noni juice. I wanted to try going for a few days just consuming only those juices and also some raw mashed eggplant mixed with powdered raspberry seed. The idea was to absolutely permeate my system with nothing but these heavy-duty cancer fighters. But I got too hungry. Oh well, I'll try it again sometime. Still seems like a good idea if I can do it for a little while.
Fasting on only water often seems much easier than radically limiting the diet to only juice or fruit or whatever. (A raw vegan diet is not radical, and it's very satisfying if it's done right and includes enough of all the necessary nutrients).
I'm scheduling another longer water fast beginning Tuesday. When I break that fast, it might be a really good time to consume only the mashed eggplant and raspberry seeds and the acai/mangostein/noni juices.
That noni juice is some Bad tasting stuff! I only mix a little of it with the acai and mangostein juices. I wonder if noni juice tastes good after several days of fasting? I intend to find out.
About bandages: My biggest challenge during this treatment has been to find a bandage that doesn't rip off my sensitive skin. Every adhesive tape or adhesive bandage leaves open wounds. Even the "ouchless" ones and the ones for sensitive skin.
This solution has worked very well for me: After applying the eggplant mix and blotting it with tissue paper, I apply Califlora Gel all around the circumference of the eggplant application. The gel doesn't touch the cancer lesions. The gel is slightly sticky until it dries, so I place my gauze (or bandage with the adhesive ends cut off) over the eggplant application and stick it onto the Califlora gel. The gauze sticks to the gel sufficiently enough to stay on (unless I'm moving around a lot), but it can be removed without taking off my skin. Califlora gel is made using Calendular flowers, and it's great for burns and itches. Almost every health food store carries it.
But if anyone knows of any particular bandage that comes in all sizes and is EXTREMELY gentle on skin, please let us know!
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Edited by - Allie on 07/20/2008 17:33:54 |
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anivoc
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 01:59:21
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The 3M micropore tape comes off pretty easy yet sticks pretty well.
I ordered a box of 24 rolls of the flesh colored ( enough to last me a few years) I use chickweed healing salve http://www.chickweedhealingsalve.com/ and then I use a small patch of gauze tape it down with the micropore tape.
Not to discourage, but after a few months of trying the e/v concoction I'm pretty much convinced you'll get as much progress just using vinegar. The acetic acid in it can knock out ak's and I have knocked one out using just vinegar.
Under the false belief that curaderm and sunspot were getting their active ingredient Solanum sodomaeum from a type of "eggplant" I gave it a serious try..
The devil's apple is not eggplant and that's the plant that curaderm and sunspot get their active ingredient Solanum sodomaeum.
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Allie
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 17:26:37
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Hi Anivoc,
Thanks for your help!
Is the 3M micropore tape available at drug stores, or does it have to be ordered? I've looked for it at the drug store, but couldn't find it. Maybe I'm just blind when it comes to looking at all those different kinds of bandages!
Can you let us know who makes it and where you ordered it from?
Also, do you apply the chickweed salve underneath where you put the tape?
About the vinegar, I haven't used vinegar at all because it makes my skin itch like crazy. The eggplant/raspberry/noni/oregano extract mix that I'm using seems to be working very well without any vinegar at all.
That's interesting that you've been able to knock out AKs with vinegar.
I've knocked out several AKs with tea tree oil, and that's the reason I'm using it alternately with the eggplant mix. In my last post, I'd decided to stop using it, but changed my mind again now that the irritation from it has gone down. Sometimes (like yesterday), I can't apply the eggplant all day and I begin to get a feeling like there's something squirming around inside the lesion on my nose. I apply the tea tree oil, and the feeling goes away.
I don't think I can get rid of these cancer lesions with just the tea tree oil though, because I have to take so many breaks from it due to the irritation.
I always keep the eggplant/raspberry seed mix on all night, reapplying it in the middle of the night. Usually I can apply it a couple of times during the day too.
This morning, I was very encouraged by how faded the lesion on my nose now is. I imagine myself going back to the dermatologists who said I had cancer and showing off my new healthy skin! :)
Thanks again for the info! I'd love to find a tape that I can use. What I'm doing now works well for when I'm sleeping, but I'm having to restrict my movements during the day just to keep my bandages on. Plus, talking or laughing loosens them. |
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Eggplant for skin cancer very exciting
