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Mordon
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 Posted - 12/11/2010 : 10:15:01
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| Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you! |
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donell
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Posted - 12/13/2010 : 23:02:23
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| That makes so much sense my ears and head have itching for months |
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river
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:39:05
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Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
HI,You need to ask for Iodine solution- iodine 5%,potassium iodide 10%,85% distilled water,regards River. |
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river
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:57:06
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| donell, small basal cell carcinomas are easily treated successfully with 5% iodine solution,with minimal pain.I have removed about 10 on my face so far. The large one on my back is about 70% healed after 3 months ,you can read the history in my posts. And please read Chucks posts , he is my mentor.Regards river. |
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river
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Posted - 12/15/2010 : 07:01:45
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Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
Mordon, the information I have given is for a solution you can use without altering ,regards River. |
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Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 17:01:14
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Is there such a thing as decolorized iodine without alcohol?
I have only found some with alcohol and the regular iodine without alcohol leaves quite a brown mark on the skin don't you think?
EDIT: I just went to the local drugstore (Canada) and they can order the Lugol for me. I did ask the pharmacist about decolorized iodine and she said the iodine is actually removed to make it clear. It still works as an antiseptic but there is no more iodine. I thought that was a ridiculous statement but actually how much iodine is in the decolorized version? |
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river
22 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 20:28:49
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| Mexico,yes ,you can buy colorless iodine. I dont know anything about it. Regular iodine does leave a brown stain on the skin,but in my opinion I would rather put up with that than the cancer.I would encourage you to get the Lugols solution or a similar solution in another brand,5% iodine,10% potassium iodide,85% distilled water. I know this solution works.Regards River. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 22:41:40
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Hi Mexico,
As for the staining effect, it usually lasts a fairly short time then disappears. Depending on various conditions, you might see a brown stain for maybe 15 - 30 minutes. The cancer's reaction to iodine will be visible for several days. So the stain really isn't an issue. There is colorless iodine, but as far as I know, there's none that's water-based. The colorless is alcohol-based and quite painful. I've also found it less effective even if the iodine strength is the same as the colored version (no idea why). As River recommended, you should use the Lugols 5% water-based Iodine. He and I have been through this process for awhile and are gaining some first-hand knowledge from personal experience. Good luck to you!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
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Mexico
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Posted - 12/18/2010 : 18:33:55
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All right I got started with Lugol few minutes ago. I made a complete mess on my face! My wife asked if that is the way I am supposed to do this. No! I said! I used a q-tips and WAY too much iodine ended up on my face . I'll be more careful in the future. I found that a little bit can cover a lot.
Finally I just went to a pharmacy in my neighborhood (In Canada) and they had it in stock. I paid $9 for a huge bottle. And that was it!
I'l keep you posted with my experiments... I have an appointment with the dermatologist in March. If all goes well I'll have nothing to show. That would be just fine with me. |
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river
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Posted - 12/19/2010 : 23:04:52
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| Mexico, good to hear you got started,please keep us posted. I just bought a new 100ml.bottle and my daughter accidently dropped it on the tiled floor,what a waste. Regards River. |
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Mexico
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 08:43:42
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Mexico, good to hear you got started,please keep us posted. I just bought a new 100ml.bottle and my daughter accidentally dropped it on the tiled floor,what a waste. Regards River.
LOL - And what a mess! This stuff really stains!
I am treating one major spot on my face and 2 smaller ones. I must say I do look "funny" and I am meeting 2 people today. I am not sure what to say... :-)
To your health!
Happy Holidays to everyone on this very useful board! |
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Mexico
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Posted - 12/22/2010 : 18:19:47
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It has been few days now and a scab in forming in 3 spots on my face. Maybe the Holidays is not the best time to begin this treatment if it is in your face. I am also treating one ion my back and nobody knows about it. :-)
I am glad this is working but I am not convinced about the theory part (Cancer being caused by candida). If that was the case wouldn't dermatologist prescribe mycostain type of cream? Wouldn't antifungics be effective?
As it is mentioned in Lugol literature "do not allow Lugol's to pool, as it's weak caustic nature can burn the skin if left" it appears that repeated application will cause a burn even on normal skin as many have mentioned in different posts on the Internet. So maybe the iodine is just burning the cancer cells - no candida involved. Of course that does not change the fact that it works. Just a thought...
EDIT: I just reread part of this thread. I think I am too anxious and in a hurry. I have been applying the Lugol too many times per day. I will limit it to 3 times and I will be careful not to overdo it with the quantity. Another site also mentions cutting it down to 2.5% to avoid the caustic effect on the skin. I just want to do it right and not damage my skin any further. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 12/22/2010 : 19:36:59
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| Yes, the bcc and surrounding skin will react. As for timing with holidays, I certainly understand the awkwardness. I don't think a few days should make a big difference if you decide to postpone treatment until after New Year. But you should be mentally prepared to have a noticeable reaction. Please read my previous posts that describe my own experience. As for the strength, I personally don't know if a lower level of iodine will do the job. I can only vouch for the 5% and it worked great. Please keep in mind, this is no "walk in the park", but at least to me it was a far superior solution over a disfiguring surgery. That too is noticeable to onlookers, but on a more permanent basis and at more expense. But each person has to judge their best option. Good luck! |
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anivoc
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Posted - 12/24/2010 : 10:52:40
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Chuck thanks for jumping in and sharing your experience and eventual success using iodine to rid yourself of BCC skin cancers. Your continued support and advice for folks like Marsha and River is where it makes all the work Dan has done here pay off. Just regular folks all in the same boat, lost in an ocean of conflicting and contradicting information trying to find our ways back to the land of healthy skin..metaphorically speaking :)
As Dan has stated before, for whatever reason it seems there is no one way to win this battle, what work's for some does not work for others.
Also anybody is able to post here and most all of us are not med school grads with good science based protocols..thus less than perfect data to be looking at.
Success's like yours, Dan's and hopefully River's are proof of the pudding..
To clarify ..
Are you sure what you had was BCC?
Were any of them biopsied?
This is important as it adds further credibility to the end result. Certainly most of us with lots of these don't need to get each one biopsied to know.."it's another one" ugh! Please just clarify..
At this point I have no idea if your protocol is the THE solution for all but it sounds promising. I did try Iodine before but it was the decolorized, alcohol based (painful) and I didn't go at it as aggressively as you. I will start trying it on one I have on my back beginning next year.
Since this thread has gone to another page I've copied and pasted your protocol instructions again below. If you have anything new to add to it just repost below. Thanks again for being such a proactive contributor here may you and all my friends here at Topical info have a Very Merry Christmas and may all of us be blessed with a clear path to healthy cancer free skin next year.
Chucks instructions from the previous page:
1) I purchased Lugols 5% iodine (DO NOT USE ALCOHOL BASED IODINE)
2) I liberally applied the Lugols iodine to the bcc and ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
3) I applied the iodine by literall using the applicator's tip and painting a heavy saturation onto the skin. Watch out for drips because few things stain like iodine. But get the area as soaked as you can.
4) If your bcc is raw, it will burn. If it's not raw, it may not burn the first day or so, but it will begin to burn once the bcc reacts.
5) Apply the iodine at least 3 - 5 times a day. Always make sure you're covering not only the bcc, but also the surrounding area.
6) Expect an angry reaction to breakout at the bcc locations. In fact, you may see bumps and spots you didn't know were there. Those are likely "future bcc's" that would have manifested in the future. Apply iodine to all of those too.
7) When the bcc's get an angry appearance, they'll rise up, turn red, perhaps bleed and even crack. There will be some pain when you apply iodine, but hang in there. The pain is tolerable for most and you can fan the area. It usually settles down after a few minutes.
8) The "angry phase" lasted about 7 - 10 days for me. I was nervous, but kept going since I didn't want severe scars on my face.
9) When it goes into a "healing phase", it will probably occur somewhat suddently and unexpectedly. The raised, red, cracked appearance begins to heal and does so fairly rapidly. Don't SLACK OFF ON TREATMENTS! If you do, the bcc will grow back.
10) Plan on treating the area until it's smooth and totally clear, In fact, it's best to treat it for days after it's completely clear. You're killing a fungus and even a few of these critters will multiply and attack later. So hunker down for the long-haul and kill them all so you don't have to do this again.
11) During the treatment phase, your skin will dry out, peel, feel tender, look bad, so on. If you have to go out, do your best not to cover the area. If you do cover it, look for any opportunity to expose it to air whenever you can. Remember, fungus hates air.
12) Finally, do not pick any scabs! It will only make the process more painful and could leave a scar. So leave the scabs alone. They will fall off once your skin heals. You can shower, but DO NOT USE MOISTURIZER. The oil / cream seems to feed the fungus. It will set you back for days. Soap is OK, but be careful. I personally use Miracle II.
Good luck to all!
Chuck
P.S.: To find Lugols or see Dr. Simoncini, just read my previous entries.
P.S.S.: I am not a doctor, have no vested interest in any purchases and am only doing this out of gratitude for the owner of this website and others who have make invaluable contributions which led me to my healing. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 12/24/2010 : 11:55:07
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Hi Anivoc,
On behalf of all who follow and / or contribute to this blog, thank you for the Christmas Greeting and words of support! I'm grateful for the site Dan established and I was fortunate enough to find. I've absolutely no doubt that I'd be celebrating this very Christmas season with a large scar across my right cheek had I not foudn this site a few months ago.
In response to your inquiry, I did not have the large bcc biopsied. The reason for that was because I had a lengthy history of bcc's and surgical removal (usually laser). They were located on my forehead, near the eyes and on my back and shoulders. As mentioned in an early post I submitted, my father was disfigured through continuous surgery on his bcc's. So it's a condition that runs in our family. It's the only drawback to being of Scottish descent :-)
So when the bcc on my right cheek began to grow and grow, I knew what was happening since it appeared exactly like the previous ones I had surgically removed. That's why I didn't bother with a biopsy. But I put off the surgery far too long and one day realized it had grown so large, that the surgery would be far more impacting than any previous surgery. This one was also deep and I could feel the effects all the way through the cheek into the inside surface of my mouth. So I became severely concerned about the scope of the excision since it's much larger than the actual bcc. I decided to look for a "natural solution" and after banging around Google for several hours, I fortunately found Dr. Simoncini's site discussing the possibility that cancer was caused by Candida (fungus). Much of what he said sounded logical for reasons I won't go into right now, so I decided to check out his recommendation for treating skin cancers. He suggested iodine, but there wasn't much detailed information about the application process and he also recommended it have alcohol in it (tincture).
Well, I figured I had nothing to lose and everything to gain if it worked so I bought a bottle of iodine tincture from Amazon (7%) and gave it a try for a few days. Needless to say, the pain was unbearable. Since this was my first rodeo, I wondered if someone made a non-alcohol version of iodine. Fortuntately, I discovered Lugol's and ordered it ($25). It was expensive, but I decided to give it one last try before throwing in the towel and going back to my dermatologist. After a couple of weeks and lots of doubts, I started to see a real change. I describe this in some previous posts so won't go into that here. After 5 - 6 weeks, my skin was smooth and free of any signs of bcc. I was (and still am) ecstatic!
As for the protocol, I have nothing else to add. I recently had another small bump appear near the spot I treated so I applied iodine to it for a few days and it's now gone. I was surprised how quickly it disappeared. I've had other small bcc's around my forehead that were also treated and another on my shoulder. They're all gone.
So here's my final comments:
1) I have no idea if iodine will work for everyone. I just know it worked for me and I'm thankful I went through the entire process and didn't give up.
2) I knew mine were bcc's because I had a history of treating them surgically. I have no idea how iodine will handle other types of skin cancers and I would advise extreme caution if you plan to treat sarcoma or melanoma. Those are dangerous and I personally wouldn't take a chance with self-treatment.
3) Treating bcc's is not an overnight, quick-fix. You have to be mentally prepared for at least 5 - 6 weeks of daily treatments. It can be frustrating at times, but I'm extremely glad I hung in there. My skin looks absolutely perfect where the bcc was located. No scars, lumps, discoloration, etc.
4) You will probably have to treat these again from time to time. Perhaps not in the exact same spot, but they do seem to return. But keep in mind, that happens even if you have them surgically removed. My father lost part of his nose, sections of cheek and was scheduled to have his entire ear removed just before he died of cardiac arrest. So "conventional methods" do not guarantee you'll never have another bcc. Even in the same spot. So the iodine will be a handy companion for the rest of my life.
So that's my overview. Again, I appreciate your Christmas greeting and also wish everyone a safe and cancer-free 2011.
Sincerely,
Chuck |
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dan
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Posted - 12/24/2010 : 14:01:46
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| Thank you Chuck, this is a great result using Lugol's solution topically on skin cancer and also a very useful writeup of your experiences for others to follow. Like several other remedies, it is important to understand that initially the site will look worse and that 5-6 weeks are needed. I have made the topic sticky so hopefully we will get more feedback on this promising treatment. Merry Christmas! This is a nice present for us. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 12/24/2010 : 18:43:24
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Hi Dan,
I feel I should be the one thanking you! I read your own testimony when I first found this site and was struck by your candor and humility. I was also moved by your tribute to David's conversion. Those that read this blog should benefit themselves by going to the home page of this site and reading Dan's own experience. As evidenced by the lives benefitted by this site, one man can make a difference!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
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Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2010 : 18:36:01
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I would like to get some guidance from experienced users at this point.
I started with a very light iodine product on December 12th but it was way too light. Then I followed with a 5% alcohol solution. That was too harsh. On December 18th I began with Lugol. I believed I applied it too many times per day at first (8 to 10 times), then I did cut the applications to 3 times a day. Just before Christmas the dark scabs peeled off and the skin under looked good. I kept applying the Lugol solution and a new larger scab has formed now.
My fear is that the Lugol itself is burning the skin. Is that possible? I tried some on healthy skin and nothing happened - but I did not do it repeatedly. Should I expect that at one point that these scabs will fall off too and the skin under it will be fine?
I am confused about how much time the whole process is supposed to take and most especially I am wondering when is the time to actually stop the application.
I understand that if the BCC is 7 cm diameter it will take a longer time than if it is less than a pencil eraser size like mine are. All 3 spots are on the right side of my face and very apparent of course. I don't mind any of that but I want to make sure I am doing it right. I am known to have a tendency towards "overdoing" things in general. This is one area of my life where I do not want this behavior to prevail...
Any advice or comments will be appreciated. And I do realize that no one here is a professional. It is my own responsibility and judgement to choose what seems to offer the best option for my skin issues.
Thanks to everyone here and Happy Holidays to you all.
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Chuck
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Posted - 12/26/2010 : 20:18:59
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Hi Mexico,
First, I congratulate you on the continued effort to follow some recommendations on this site. Although this isn't a "professionally medical" treatment plan, there is some valuable anecdotal experience.
So here's what's probably happening with your treatment. The iodine is caustic to skin tissue that's affected by cancer. Like you, I went through several phases where the skin would react, peel and re-grow. Each time it did this, the raised areas caused by the bcc generally gets smaller. Not being a biomedical expert, I have no idea why it goes through this process, but based on what you described, it sounds like it's doing EXACTLY what mine did.
As for the frequency, I would continue applying it liberally at least 3 - 5 times per day. Ultimately, you're skin should reach a final phase of healing.
Here's how you'll know you're in the last phase: when you apply the iodine, the affected area has a darker stained color. In other words, good skin may be darkened by the iodine, but it's not as dark as the "core area" where the cancer is still present. As the skin sloughs off, the core gets smaller and smaller. Eventually, the core is non-existent. You'll know this when the iodine stain disappears and there's no darkened area (core).
But that DOES NOT mean you're through! Once there's no sign of a cancer core, it's crucial you continue the applications just as often as before for at least 2 - 3 more weeks. Doing that will help increase your chance that the bcc won't recover and manifest again. Please note, that's not a guarantee, but what you're doing with the continued treatment is lowering the possibility. It's during this final phase that you're nuking the final last cancerous cells so the area is totally clean DEEP within the skin tissue.
The purpose is not only to clear the immediate problem, but to do whatever you can to prevent future problems. But please keep in mind that the final phase is when most treatments fail. Not because the iodine isn't working, but because people get tired of treating the area after several weeks. So please don't slack up. Do it 2 - 3 more weeks after the core is totally gone.
Bottom line: based on you're description, you're getting good results and you simply need to keep liberally applying the iodine 3 - 5 times per day. The sloughing off is normal and it will get less and less as your skin heals. You're doing good so hand in there!
Sincerely,
Chuck |
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Mexico
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Posted - 12/26/2010 : 23:09:56
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Thanks for your very generous reply Chuck!
I am also a caucasian male - 59 years old - but from Irish descent, and French Canadian since the 1700. Reddish/blond hair (mostly white now haha) and very light skin makes me a good candidate for sun related skin problems. I live in Northern Quebec Canada but I have traveled and worked extensively for many years in Latin America including in every country in Central America, often being all day in full sun without any protection - dumb I know, but I did not have any problems until just few years ago and unlike you no one in my family ever had skin cancer. Come to think of it an aunt had a small spot on her face about 30 years ago, she is 86 now and never had others. My father who was a major sun worshipper never had any skin issues.
I started having a couple of AKs around 56 and I had 4 burned on my face with liquid nitrogen since then. It went very well. But if if I look closely at my skin I can see more problems in the future and would love to find a solution I can apply myself when needed. My MD is certain that one of the 3 spots I am treating with Lugol is a BCC but I have had no biopsy and the dermatologist appointment is only in March. The 2 other spots are "suspicious" according to my MD. All 3 spots have reacted the exact same way to Lugol so far.
My wife has being using Rose oil on a scar and suggested I use the same oil on my scabs at night. I don't know if this is a good idea. Could it be counter-productive?
Simoncini protocol for skin cancer is somewhat slightly different than what you are doing. Why did you choose to modify his approach?
Simoncini:
"The treatment to choose for epithileomas, basaliomas, and melanomas is iodine solution at seven per cent, as it is capable of precipitating the proteins of the body of the fungus and destroying them completely in a short time. If the lesions are fairly small, they must be painted with the solution 10-20-30 times twice a day for five days and then once for another ten days so that they become very dark. When the eschar is formed and it is higher than the epidermic plane, it is necessary to continue to paint under and above it, even if at first this causes a sharp pain.
This very same operation must be repeated for the second eschar that is formed. At this point, the lesion may be considered destroyed, because after the third cycle it is possible to reach the center of the neoplasia, where the colonies try to resist to the last."
He gives quite an epic description, reminiscent of films where the enemy must be entirely destroyed all the way to "where the colonies try to resist to the last." I usually like to look at health issues not so much as a battlefield but rather as an agricultural field where the land has been damaged and a new equilibrium has to be put in place in the ecosystem. Considering the idea of candida as the cause of cancer, I believe that cleaning up our diet and oxygenating our tissues is also part of the answer since, just like any fungus, it thrives on "junk" in oxygen deprived environment. But this is all ideology and I'll be happy to find something that just works without adding lots of toxicity.
Best of Health for 2011!
May we all find an end to all this useless suffering from skin cancer.
Thanks to all the good souls on this forum
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river
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 21:03:35
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| Hi everyone, I've been away for two weeks with no computer.I still havn't got rid of my bcc ,it seems to be stuck at the halfway mark. 50% is covered with what I think is new healthy skin, but a strip about 2cm wide by 6cm long is still oozing small amounts of pus. I have been applying iodine 3-4 times a day. Originally it was 9cm diameter,I will keep at it. Regards ,River. |
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samdi230
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 14:21:39
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Originally posted by river
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Originally posted by Mordon
Hi, I was looking at the diy Lugol's recipe, and need clarification of what "normal iodine" means. I can only find "Betadine" or "Povidine" iodine. What do I need to be asking for at the pharmacy? Thank you!
HI,You need to ask for Iodine solution- iodine 5%,potassium iodide 10%,85% distilled water,regards River.
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Steve NH
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 17:04:55
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OK About to begin now.
I've been watching these threads for a couple months now and am ready to proceed.
I've had BCC on a regular basis for 10 years now.
I currently have 4 confirmed spots and 2 more "most probable" (based on the surgeons opinion)
One in particular has gone untreated for a few yrs and is getting very annoying.
For the past 5 weeks I had been doing the vitamin C treatment. My wife feels it has made progress and I kinda agree, but it seems to be very slow. So I am ready to give the Iodine approach a shot.
I will be ordering this
http://www.herbhealers.com/store/lugol-s-iodine-7-1-fl-oz-29-5-ml.html#description
appears to be what everyone has been talking about - plus it's in a 7% solution.
Does that look right?
Once I get going I will probably post every couple weeks to let everyone know what is happening.
Also thanks to everyone posting here. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 18:27:03
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Hi,
Just wanted to get back regarding the iodine question. I've not used (nor even seen) Lugols in a 7% solution so I can't offer any feedback based on personal experience. I used the 5% Lugols solution from J Crow & Co. I would offer this suggestion that you make sure it's water-based (no alcohol) and you may want to carefully monitor skin irritation. You can expect a highly noticeable skin reaction from 5%, so I'm thinking the reaction may be even more intense with 7%. You'll probably get similar results and perhaps even better (not sure), but I wouldn't want you to unexpectedly alarmed if the reaction is really intense due to the higher iodine concentration. Just a thought and I wish you the best of luck. BTW, if you can, it would be really nice to see before, during and after photos. I failed to photograph mine for others to see and really regret that lack of foresight.
Sincerely,
Chuck |
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logicman
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Posted - 01/22/2011 : 15:48:13
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I have used lugol's 5% to apparently cure a biopsied melanoma in situ lesion, 1 cm in diameter, on my cheek.
I turned 1 oz glass bottle of lugul's sideways and pressed to cheek, then tilted head and immersed lesion for 10 seconds. I did this 8-10 times a day because Iodine evaporates rapidly and so only about 12% penetrates skin and is absorbed into the blood stream, according to dr Guy Abraham, MD.
See http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm
It took several chemical peels over six weeks. Cells from dermis takes about 2 weeks to work their way up to replace epidermal layer.
Note if you take thyroid meds you may want to reduce your dose during treatment as your thyroid may "enjoy" the increased iodine and make more T4. |
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SoFl
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 12:56:47
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I tried iodine several years ago on a confirmed by biopsy bcc as well as a confirmed scc. It didn't work at all.
Petty Spurge did.
See that thread. |
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Mexico
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Posted - 03/10/2011 : 21:45:53
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OK a quick follow up for those who are reading this thread.
Summary: last November I had 3 spots on the right side of my face. A rather small one "pencil eraser size" which 2 doctors diagnosed without biopsy as being almost 100% certain it was a BCC. A second spot was slightly smaller than a dime and it was impossible for them to say if it was or not a BCC (one doc said yes - the other said maybe). A third spot looked more like an AK and was about as large.
I started the iodine Lugol treatment in mid December on the 3 spots and did it every day for 4 weeks. Then I stopped. About 10 days later it all cleared up and it looked good but pink/reddish. That was 2 months ago. Today it looks really good. No traces of anything. I went to see the dermatologist today and he also said that the right side of my face looks great. Nothing to biopsy or even to look at.
On the left side of the face I also had a lesion (AK) and 2 other spots that were doubtful and that I left untreated. The dermatologist treated the 3 spots with liquid nitrogen today. We'll see how it evolves.
My take on all this:
1. The Lugol treatment really works well.
2. Doing the treatment during the Holidays was not a good idea. My face did look messy and became a topic of discussion instead on Christmas celebrations. Retrospectively I should have done this just after the Holidays. If you choose to try this please understand that Lugol does color your skin and a crust will form too.
3. It is messy but looking at my burnt face tonight I see that other treatments are messy too. Surgery is messy. Cancer itself on the face is messy as well.
4. The first 10 ten days I was adding the Lugol 10 or 12 times per day to saturate the lesions. I would not do it this way next time. After talking to the pharmacist I realized that Lugol will slightly burn or irritate even good skin if applied that frequently. I would do this intensively for 2 days only and then apply it 3 times a day. I also would not stop necessarily after 4 weeks. I would treat for longer if appropriate. I got scared and I was tired of seeing my Lugol laden face. But in retrospect it would have been more cautious to continue until it was all gone.
5. I did apply Rosehip Oil (Rosa Muscada) every night to the treated area after I stopped the Lugol. I believe it has helped a lot. I still use it. My wife uses it on a scar and it really helps to regenerate the layers of the skin. It does not treat the cancer or the AK itself though.
6. If I could go back in time I would treat the left side of my face at the same time I treated the right side. Today no liquid nitrogen treatment would have been necessary and I believe the Lugol treatment leaves the skin in a better state afterwards compared to the Nitrogen burn (which I had few years ago). The Lugol treatment is much gentler to the skin.
7. In final I'd like to say that I am very pleased with this simple and easily available treatment. It also leaves me with a sense of self empowerment, knowing that I can do something myself if and when this type of problem occurs again. With my history most probably it will. I protect my skin as well as I can but I am ready if a problem occurs.
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Chilled Owl
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 21:09:51
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| I have just read the info in this forum with great interest. Yesterday I had a mole removed from my scalp (high on forehead, just under hairline) which has gone off for biopsy, but Dr is pretty sure it is a melanoma. Gulp. Dr Simoncini talks about all forms of skin cancer but this thread is just about BCC. Has anyone treated a melanoma? Does the treatment change if the surface part of the mole has been removed surgically (and is still stitched)? Also, the risk is that the cancer has spread to somewhere else in the body. I am confused about the internal treament and iodine / baking soda (or powder? the two are different). I will find out in a week how thick the melanoma is and therefore what conventional treament is recommended, but if it is melanoma I will have the threat of a cancer popping up anywhere anytime for the rest of my life, so would much rather be proactive and prevent that happening. Oh, I am a 56 year old caucasian woman. |
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Chilled Owl
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 21:23:44
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| Didn't read everything very well, did I? Just reviewed it and saw logicman's treatment of biopsied melanoma. Was wondering what stage of healing the biopsy cut was in. Where you recommended other treatment, what was it and did you need it after iodine treatment? Any other advice and more info on internal treatment still welcome. |
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Chuck
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 21:45:30
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Hi,
First let me say that it's great to hear from you although I'm sure we both wish the circumstances were different. Before I reply to your questions, I want to say that (1) your not alone and (2) a client of mine, Troy Aikmanm a former Dallas Cowboys quarterback, has been treated for melanoma years ago and is still going strong. Now for my own perspective concerning your questions (in bold text below):
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Originally posted by Chilled Owl
I have just read the info in this forum with great interest. Yesterday I had a mole removed from my scalp (high on forehead, just under hairline) which has gone off for biopsy, but Dr is pretty sure it is a melanoma. Gulp.
Naturally, it's too soon to tell.
Dr Simoncini talks about all forms of skin cancer but this thread is just about BCC. Has anyone treated a melanoma?
To my knowledge, no one on this thread has provided confirmed records of a 100% cure using iodine for melanoma. My own experience is limited to BCC and that I can speak confidently about.
Does the treatment change if the surface part of the mole has been removed surgically (and is still stitched)?
Probably only an oncologist could say.
Also, the risk is that the cancer has spread to somewhere else in the body.
Yes, that risk does exist and I would strongly recommend finding the absolute best oncologist possible and have them run thorough tests. Get a second or even a third opinion if necessary. Do not take any chances.
I am confused about the internal treament and iodine / baking soda (or powder? the two are different).
According to Dr. Simoncino, iodine is recommended for surface cancers (skin) and baking soda is more appropriate for internal cancers involving bones or organs. The baking soda is apparently used as a lavage where it washes over the internal organs and bones using IV or some similar method. Iodine can be "painted" onto skin surfaces so it's a fairly convenient application, but not an approprite method for internal access.
I will find out in a week how thick the melanoma is and therefore what conventional treament is recommended, but if it is melanoma I will have the threat of a cancer popping up anywhere anytime for the rest of my life, so would much rather be proactive and prevent that happening.
If there's one thing I can adamantly suggest, follow your doctor's advice explictly. If he or she suggests something you're not 100% in agreement, then have another oncologist in mind. Locate the best in your area and be willing to travel if necessary. There are great and caring doctors out there.
Oh, I am a 56 year old caucasian woman.
I, along with many who follow this blog, wish you the very best! As I said earlier, this is something YOU CAN OVERCOME! Just kn ow you're not alone and there are some fine doctors who can treat this so you'll have a long and healthy life.Sincerely,
Chuck
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hemiltonfleming
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Posted - 04/01/2011 : 08:24:34
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| I am looking for health related forums as to maintain my health. I am having very busy schedule and not able to get time for physical activities. |
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Chilled Owl
3 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2011 : 23:40:26
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Thanks for your kind words, Chuck.
I now have the verdict and it is about as good as the news can be, given that it is a melanoma. From what I can gather, it's a melanoma in situ although what I was told is that it is an "early melanoma" and had been entirely excised. I don't need any further treatment, just 6-monthly checkups. I feel like the jury has given a guilty verdict but I've been let off with a lifetime good behaviour bond!
Regardless of the outcome, it has been a big wake-up call for me. Over the last few years, my diet has slipped a bit, my weight has increased, the amount of exercise I do has dropped off and the cholesterol has increased. The threat of cancer has given me the motivation I need to do something about it. My willpower has been tested in the last week on several occasions and I refused pieces of cakes, slices and chocolate. I've been eating a lot of fruits and vegetables to try to have a more alkaline diet and will be supplementing with minerals that Australians are typically short on because our soils are deficient eg. magnesium, iodine. I have gone off all dairy products as well. |
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Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2011 : 10:11:08
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Hi Again,
I'm so relieved to hear that you'll be fine! Your analogy of being found guilty but released on bond was very witty. I also liked your pro-active response. That's a reminder to us all that although iodine treatments may be helpful for certain types of skin cancers, it's far better to never get one. If Dr. Simoncini's theory is true that many cancers are caused by Candida fungus, adjusting to a more alkaline diet should reduce our cancer risks. Thanks for sharing your situation and wonderful news.
Be Blessed!
Chuck |
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2011 : 10:02:30
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| I am new to this forum and have long been studying the relationship between cancer and fungi. I believe they are indeed linked. I am going to use the iodine on a spot that I have. I see that some of you use lugol's 5% because of the lack of alcohol. I am leary in changing Dr Simoncini's recipe for tinchure. Does anyone know if the alcohol contributes to killing the fungi or if it's just a stabelizer? |
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Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2011 : 10:29:30
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Greetings!
According to Dr. Simoncini, the alcohol helps the iodine penetrate deeper into the skin. If you have a super-high tolerance for pain, then it might work faster than a water-based iodine like Lugols. But here's the problem. The iodine will cause the treated area to dramatically react and it inevitably leads to raw and highly sensitive skin. Now imaine pouring alcohol on an open wound and that's what you'll experience with tincture.
I along with others in this blog have successfully treated large and deep skin cancers using Lugols or a similar solution. Even a water-based iodine will cause some pain, but it's 1/10 the pain level of tincture. I've used both.
So I appreciate your concern, but wanted to explain why Dr. Simoncini suggests tincture and why it hasn't been followed by some including myself, yet we've still had success.
Hope that helps. BTW, I outline my own protocol in a previous post and some of the others who've been successful also describe their treatment. You'll find some really helpful info.
Sincerly,
Chuck |
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2011 : 12:14:56
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| CHuck, Thank you for your quick response. I read the entire thread which is what convinced me to do the iodine. I apprecitate all the helpful information here. I actually used Steve_Canada's recipe to boil off the alcohol and water in 2% iodone since I couldn't get my hands on lugol's 5% right away. I have had more than 30 basil cells and a melanoma surgically removed. I look as if I have been abused by a cigarette. The current one is actually a melanoma confirmed by a shave biopsy. It was the sight of a basil cell that when surgically removed formed a keloid scar (or so my dermatologist called it). After a year my intuition got the best of me and I sceduled it for a biopsy. It turned out to be desmoplastic melanoma which looks nothing like your typical melanomas. The edges were smooth, no irregularities. The color was pink and it was raised and firm like a scar. I have already seen a surgeon but have opted to go this route this time. I know it is not recommended but as I said, I am convinced that this is a fungus. I have been studying this theory for over a year now. Thanks to all again and I will post regularly to let everyone know the progress. |
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June
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 03:18:00
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Hi, I am new to the forum, though I posted a message on another topic - skin cancer ... Also, I'm from Australia, so excuse any wierd spelling.
I've been applying a 7g iodine, 5g pottasium iodide with alcohol solution as Dr Simoncini suggests. The problem is that my BCC (fibrosing, confirmed biopsy) is on my upper lip. This is the 13th day and I am resting it because I was too liberal with the diameter of the application and I think it needs to heal (has sloughed off a second scab). It is very difficult to detect whether I need to keep applying the solution. I also have the Lugol's solution so may begin with that when I build up enough nerve.
Thanks for your helpful comments Chuck, and others. All the best. |
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June
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 04:30:31
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Hi again, I will post some photos: before I started treatment (and 3 weeks after biopsy), 5 days after starting iodine when lip swelled for a few days, and basically now, 12 days afterwards.
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June
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Posted - 05/03/2011 : 04:33:51
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 08:15:03
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It's been nearly 4 wks since I started treating my melanoma with iodine. I was applying it with wide margins and I became concerned after a few days of treatment because I was having no pain. I was afraid it wasn't penetrating so I incorporated the alcohol. BIG MISTAKE. As you'll see when I post my photos, it burned my skin. (waiting until I heal so I have befoe and afters) However, it looks like I had a chemical peel because my freckles in that area are diminished now. I have had two scabs come off and the third is smaller but still there. I know Simoncini says that after the third, it is presumed to be healed.
I too am wondering if I should stop after the third scab comes off or keep applying for good measure. I dont want to take any chances of leaving some behind. |
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 08:19:39
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| Btw, after a few days, my lugols 5% arrived. It seemed to work better than the solution I boiled down from the 2% iodine and alcohol. |
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Mexico
55 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 08:41:07
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Following up on my previous posts.
I treated 3 spots with Lugol for 4 weeks during the Holidays. One spot (not confirmed) was - according to the MDs - clearly a BCC. The other 2 spots were suspicious. All three spots disappeared successfully. However about 10 weeks after treatment the spot diagnosed as a BCC came back. I believe this is because I stopped too early with the Lugol. I was afraid I was burning my skin and I decided to stop. Looking back I think I should have continued for 2 or 3 weeks.
Since Lugol is quite a "messy" adventure this time I tried an ointment that was recommended to me https://www.organicteatreeoil.com/therapeutic-skin-care/sulforaphane/sulforaphane-dna-restore-ointment-50-ml
It worked! It took about 2 weeks. The spot became reddish and slightly inflamed. It dried up and fell. The skin looks really good now. Not messy, not painful.
Warning - Even though doctors told me it was a BCC this was never confirmed. But I still wanted to relate the story in order to add to our body of knowledge and experiments. Someone else may want to try the ointment on a bcc and see if it helps. A little bit goes a long way and if budget is an issue the also offer a 15 ml container. Disclaimer: I don't know the company or its directors and I have nothing to gain for anyone purchasing their products.
PS: I regret not taking pictures. If I could go back in time I would add pictures to my posts. Thank you for those of you who are doing it. It makes a huge difference.
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Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 10:17:18
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Hi,
I wanted to respond to the recent posts so the full benefit of the iodine treatments are manifested. First, it's crucial that people continue the iodine applications for 2 - 3 weeks AFTER THE LESION IS FULLY HEALED. You should see a smooth skin surface free of any blemishes while you continue to treat it. I understand it's laborious and I also know it's not Dr. Simoncini's recommendation, but I can tell you from personal experience that if you stop treatments before this, you'll see recurrence with new lesions. My personal theory is that Candida is difficult to eradicate and actually lives in colonies surrounding the primary lesion (Ground ero). If they're not completely killed, they'll multiply and attack again. That's why I recommended in previous posts that you brace yourself for the long-haul and nuke them. From personal experience, it's very discouraging to re-visit the iodine therapy after you thought the problem was behind you. I had to do that and made sure the second time that all was gone. It's now been several months and my skin is perfectly clear.
Next I want to re-emphasize that although Dr. Simoncini recommends using iodine with alcohol (tincture), I would avoid doing that unless you really love intense pain. When you use Lugols 5% solution, you're able to more liberally and more frequently apply it which means you'll be more likely to continue treatments for a longer term. That's crucial. If you start and stop, the Candida re-groups and you'll be in a worse condition emotionally plus not see the anticipated goal. So please take my advice and use Lugols, apply it liberally and frequently. I posted my personal application protocol in detail on this blog in case you wish to follow my treatment which worked perfectly.
Just here to help people avoid disappointing results or unnecessary pain.
Sincerely,
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 10:26:00
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After posting the above, I read back thru this thread and found my answers. I will continue to paint the iodine until the core is gone and thereafter, for a while, as well.
As I said before, I do believe cancer is a fungus. All the remedies you see being used are anti-fungal. Baking soda, iodine, tea tree oil, garlic...all antifungals.
It seems the key is to kill it before it has time to adapt to the treatment and make sure you leave no cells to rear their ungly heads later.
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grabec
24 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 23:19:33
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| Bought the Lugol's 5% Iodine and started putting it on my husband's ear where a cancer lesion has appeared. First put on one of the cancer creams I can't remember the name of and then I started putting the Iodine on. It has made the leasion worse..appears to be not healing so I have stopped the Iodine. A bit worried about this. Maybe I should have just left it after my husabnd put the cream on. Any thoughts would be appreciated. |
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LaneLester
21 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2011 : 07:20:46
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Originally posted by Chuck
Hi,
I wanted to respond to the recent posts so the full benefit of the iodine treatments are manifested. First, it's crucial that people continue the iodine applications for 2 - 3 weeks AFTER THE LESION IS FULLY HEALED.
I'm subscribed to this thread, so I get an email every time someone posts to it. I did a successful iodine treatment a year ago, but since I'm not currently treating myself, I usually just delete the emails. However, I have an undiagnosed growth on the back of my neck that I'm planning to treat this summer, and I think it was Providential I decided to look at the posts today. Your caution about the duration of the treatment will mean a change in what I do, and hopefully, the success I realize.
Thank you for posting when you did. Also thanks for reminding us about the greater comfort of Lugol's, since I have both solutions on hand.
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Chuck
41 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2011 : 09:14:49
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Hi Lane,
It's been awhile since we've communicated (almost a year). It's great to hear from you!
BTW, did you hear the Japanese government passed out iodine tablets to everyone living near the nuclear disaster? They obviously learned something about iodine from Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Take care and thank you for sharing your experience.
Sincerely,
Chuck
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impositive
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2011 : 10:31:09
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| grabec, I've read that it gets worse before it gets better and the initial angry reaction you see is normal. |
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