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| bodymind |
Posted - 09/30/2010 : 23:36:44
I've been pouring over all of this information for days. I canceled my Mohs appt just today b/c my inner wisdom told me not to do it. I plan on attacking my bcc from both the inside and outside with the help of this website and forum. Thanks to all who respond.
My bcc was biopsied and showed that there are deeper layers of cancer cells, some possible innervation. My scar is about one month old, completely healed. If I use topical solutions will it penetrate the scar? Will the wound have to re-open and "ooze" for the cancer cells to be released?
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| bodymind |
Posted - 11/12/2010 : 22:29:28
It's been 4 weeks since using orange oil. It initially had the "sting", but that went completely away after about a week. I used it for 2 more weeks, took a week off, and then had a spot show up in the same area. I decided to try cymilium and have been using it now for almost 5 days. I am getting the inflammatory response that I think is needed as part of the initial healing process. I'll continue with the cymilium as prescribed via their website. |
| bodymind |
Posted - 10/07/2010 : 22:59:02
ooops, meant that to be a week or 2! |
| bodymind |
Posted - 10/06/2010 : 19:11:07
Thanks a million. I will continue with orange oil as a topical treatment and report back in a 1 or 2. |
| dan |
Posted - 10/06/2010 : 09:18:25
Hi bodymind, that does not sound too bad then. Orange oil is both a treatment and an indicator in my experience. There is also a considerable body of positive cancer research on its active ingredient d-limonene that you can look up. If it were me, I would keep going with the orange oil once a day for a couple of weeks and see what happens with the times. It may get a little worse in the next week before it starts getting better. The easiest topical pancreatin product that I know of is Cymilium. |
| bodymind |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 16:14:35
Dan, Today I put orange oil on the area that had been biopsied. A small area in the lower corner, outside the biopsied area, began tingling/ stinging after 45 seconds. It wasn't bad, just uncomfortable. The sensation was gone in 9 minutes. There are obviously some cells present and now I'll proceed with topical treatment. Am I correct in understanding that orange oil is both an indicator and a treatment? Or just an indicator? I'll look back in the website to find topical treatments, but can you tell me what is the easiest topical pancreatin enzyme product to get a hold of?
Thanks again for you time and attention to my tingling spot. BodyMind. |
| dan |
Posted - 10/04/2010 : 01:34:04
Hi bodymind, I would try topical orange oil for starters. Its 25 minute sting signature is a good indicator for skin cancer. Using a watch with a second hand, I would time how long after applying orange oil until I felt the first stinging sensation. That should be an indication of the depth of the skin cancer and will usually lengthen as treatment progresses. The intensity of the sting is an indication of the severity. The duration of the sting may or may not mean something too, such as the deepest depth of the cancer. The sting can be severe but will go away in 25 minutes. There should not be a sting if the cancer is gone.
I have heard apple cider vinegar reacts with cancer as well. I have not tried topical apple cider vinegar and it's strong acidity seems like the wrong direction to me.
Topical pancreatin enzymes need a non-acidic environment so they are usually mixed with a few drops of household ammonia and aloe vera. We never nailed down the necessity of urea in the mix but it may be important. It sounds gross but a person could use a few drops of their urine as the urea source.
As far as the Moh's, that's totally up to you. There is often a several week wait to get the procedure so factor that in. The long wait also tells us that the doctors are not normally panicking over skin cancer. Of course, I am not a doctor and try everything at your own risk. |
| marsha |
Posted - 10/02/2010 : 23:28:37
I really don't know about other things, but you keep using the curaderm for a week after it heels and you will know that it is done. When it is done it won't sting,itch,ooze, or be red. It will just be heeling. The only other thing I did that with, was a spot on my other nostril. Half way through petty spurge treetmnt I switched to the Iodine treatment.I just kept using the Iodine until the scab fell off, then used it again until that scab fell of and then it just didn't scab anymore. |
| bodymind |
Posted - 10/02/2010 : 20:35:03
Marsha and Dan, Although I didn't get a hold of curanderm yet, I will pursue getting some and adding the DMSO for topical application. Or should I go with the orange oil and topical pancreatic enzymes? I did get a hold of Pancreatin, CoQ10 and Lipoic acid to ingest. I plan to keep almost all meat, dairy and sugars (except natural sugars) out of my diet to create a more alkaline internal environment.
My biopsy was also a punch biopsy. I am not concerned at all about the scar that isn't even visible. I'm only concerned about the deeper layers of skin that still had cancer cells present (as the punch biopsy showed)
My biggest question now is how will I know if/when the cancer cells are no longer present? I've read that a stinging sensation after applying apple cider vinegar indicates the presence of cancer cells. Is this true? How long do I wait (weeks, months, years) before reconsidering Mohs? |
| marsha |
Posted - 10/02/2010 : 11:16:07
I had a ssc punch biopsy,waited until it healed, then used curaderm on for I don't remember how many months.It healed and I kept using it for a week longer. That was at least 3 years ago. I have had no recurrence on that spot. |
| dan |
Posted - 10/02/2010 : 01:23:40
That sounds like a good start and I like the multiple tactics. I just want to say it can work. I walked out of a dermatologist's office in 2001 with a diagnosis of SCC on my forehead and a warning to expect more skin cancers in the near future. Somehow by the grace of God things turned around for me, although I know other people with good efforts have not been as fortunate. I especially thought oral and topical pancreatic enzymes (Source Naturals brand) and topical orange oil were helpful. If trying Curaderm, I would also mix it with DMSO to increase its penetration. Also, take pictures now to have a reference that you can compare in the weeks ahead. We are lucky to have the Mohs as a backup. |
| bodymind |
Posted - 10/01/2010 : 14:20:03
Thanks for your response. I am looking at the firehose method currently. For the past couple of days I have been doing Tea Tree Oil and olive oil. I plan on going today to get orange oil, curaderm and pancreatic enzymes (if possible). I already have a fairly good diet but am going to increase flax, garlic and B vitamins. I'm going to also hopefully get L Carnitine, alpha Lipoic Acid and CoQ10 and some pancreatin enzymes to ingest. I thought I would also get a ph test kit b/c I would definitely guess (knowing my personality and body) that I am acidic. Then I will try and create a more alkaline condition, and maybe try the baking soda paste topically.
Thanks again for your response. This experience has been confusing and stressful. When I look at all the medical websites for bcc I just get scared and anxious. Finding this forum of info has been less frightening and empowering. |
| dan |
Posted - 10/01/2010 : 01:14:46
Hi bodymind, we are glad to have you here. Some of the topicals such as orange oil, ammonia, and DMSO can penetrate well. Of course, if the cancer is deep then topicals are less likely to be effective. Most skin cancer remedies make the area temporarily more inflamed before it gets better. What do you intend to try? |
