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[quote][i]Originally posted by drbeckl2[/i]
[br]Hi; 
found this info on a website: http://www.doctoryourself.com/comfrey_herb.html

,......... this is what its says:
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 [quote]Comfrey: Wound Healer and Cancer Fighter
Cancer and Comfrey
Home 		[size=4][b]CANCER, WOUNDS AND COMFREY[/b][/size=4]

In an old issue of Let's Live (Oct.-Dec., 1958), H. E. Kirschner, M.D., wrote an almost unbelievable article about several important clinical uses of the comfrey plant (Symphytum officinale).
 
Let me tell you about it.
 
Dr. Kirschner used comfrey in his medical practice to promote the healing of ulcers and wounds. He traces the history of comfrey back to 1568 and W. Turner's Herball which said "of Comfrey Symphytum, the rootes are good if they be broken and dronken for them that spitte blood, and are bursten. The same, layd to, are good to glewe together freshe woundes. They are good to be layd to inflammation..." He then cites Gerard's 1597 Herball, which indicated comfrey for ulcers of the lungs and ulcers of the kidneys, and Parkinson's 1640 Theatrum Botanicum:
: 
"The rootes of Comfrey, taken fresh, beaten small, spread upon leather, and laid upon any place troubled with the gout, doe presently give ease of the paines and applied in the same manner, giveth ease to pained joynts, and profiteth very much for running and moist ulcers, gangrenes, mortifications and the like."
 
Most significant is a citation from Tournefort's 1719 Compleat Herbal, which tells of one who

[b]"cured a certain person of a malignant ulcer, pronounced to be a cancer by the surgeons, and left by them as incurable, by applying twice a day the root of comfrey bruised, having first peeled off the external blackish bark or rind; but the cancer was not above eight or ten weeks standing."[/b] Even allowing for a misdiagnosis, this account is interesting.
 
Dr. Kirschner personally observed the powerful anticancer effects of comfrey on a patient of his who was dying from advanced,[u][b] externalized [/b][/u]cancer. He prescribed fresh, crushed-leaf comfrey poultices throughout the day. He writes that, �Much to the surprise of the patient and her family,� [i][b]there was obvious healing within the first two days of treatment, with continued visible improvement over the next few weeks.[/b][/i] �What is more,� he writes, �much of the dreadful pain that usually accompanies the advanced stages of cancer disappeared," and there was a dramatic decrease in swelling.
 
Dr. Kirschner concludes by regretfully saying that the cancer had already spread to the inner organs "which could not be reached with the comfrey poultices, and the woman died."

Just in terms of quality of life, the degree of healing that did occur under the comfrey poultice treatment is of tremendous significance. Here is a "folk" remedy undeniably providing, at the very least, significant pallative relief, and to a remarkable extent reversing a cancerous growth. We can ill afford to overlook the full potential of external comfrey leaf poultices to heal sores and wounds of all types, including burns and gangrene, as well as �tumors both benign and malignant,� says Dr. Kirschner.

[b]Taken internally as decoction (boiled root tea), comfrey is described as effective against tuberculosis, internal tumors and ulcers, and promotes the healing of bone fractures. [/b]If it is hard to understand how one simple, easy to grow and easy to apply plant can be so widely useful in healing, remember that penicillin�s supporters have made some pretty broad claims for the mold on oranges.

Dr. Kirschner describes in his article how to prepare comfrey leaves and roots for home use. [b]The leaves are for external use, and the root for internal use.[/b] Anyone can grow comfrey in their garden for use when needed. In fact, just try to stop it: it takes no work whatsoever to grow this virtually indestructible perennial. As a young man, I decided to plant a lot of comfrey all over my yard. That took about 15 minutes. It grew so vibrantly that I eventually decided to eradicate comfrey from lawn and garden. It took twenty years to root it all out.  Well, most of it. There is still that patch over there on the side�

I got my �starter� comfrey from a friend, and now I know why he was smiling so broadly as he handed the huge sack of roots over to me.

No, neither he nor I supply comfrey by mail-order. Ask around and see who�s got some to share.  Or, try a garden supplier, nursery, herb store or Internet search. How to plant comfrey: stick the root under ground and come back in a month or two.  To grow: Refer to the previous step.

[i][b]To use the leaves, one simply picks them, crushes them into a nice emerald green paste, and applies topically.[/b][/i] Although comfrey leaf tea or dried leaves are often to be inexpensively purchased at herb and health food stores, [red][size=4][i][b]there is a need to mention Dr. Kirschner's constant reference to using fresh cut leaves only, right from one's garden.[/b][/i][/size=4][/red]

Roots can be prepared as described in Poffer's Cyclopedia of Botanical Drugs (Fifth Edition) "by boiling one-half to one ounce of crushed root in one quart water. Dose, a wineglassful." [i][b]Boiling the root results in a decoction. This is different, and much more effective, than simply steeping in hot water. [/b][/i]Fresh root is almost certainly best, but I expect that dried root retains some therapeutic value.

I thoroughly brush and wash the root under tap water before slicing it up. Then I place the chunks in two or three cups of water in a glass or stainless steel pan. Bring it to a boil, continue boiling for a few minutes, and let sit until it is cool enough to drink.

Caution: There are potentially harmful side-effects if comfrey leaves are eaten in appreciable quantity. This, to me, also means that �Comfrey leaf tea� is contraindicated. Herbs may be the most natural of medicines, but they are still medicines. To be comfy with comfrey, consult your doctor and a reliable herbal textbook (such as John B. Lust�s The Herb Book, NY: Bantam, 1974) before employing this, or any herbal remedy. It is important to meet potential physician objections with a clear, shared understanding of the �comfrey rule�: fresh leaves externally, boiled root decoction internally.

Allantoin, a key ingredient found in abundance in comfrey, may be among the reasons comfrey works. Allantoin helps cells to grow and grow together. Since this is precisely what is needed for ulcers, tumors, burns, broken skin, broken bones and perhaps even malignancy, it is little wonder that comfrey has a respect in folk lore and medical practice throughout the world, spanning the centuries. For a definitive explanation of how, why and what comfrey heals, with detailed information on the chemical constitution of allantoin, [size=4][i][b]one should read a long-forgotten 60-page work entitled Narrative of an Investigation Concerning an Ancient Medicinal Remedy and its Modern Utilities by Charles J. MacAlister, M.D. and A.W. Titherley, D.Sc.[/b][/i][/size=4] It is full of case histories, research and historical information. Clinical observations, notes on malignancy and how to prepare the remedy are included.  This 1936 book is even more rare than Dr. Kirchner�s article that I cited above. Reprints of either may still be available on microfilm. It is a good idea to ask your public library's interlibrary loan person to help you obtain copies.

The complete reference is:
MacAlister, C. J. and Titherley, A. W. (1936) Narrative of an Investigation Concerning 
an Ancient Medicinal Remedy and its Modern Utilities Together with an Account of the Chemical Constitution of Allantoin. London: John Bale, Sons, and Danielsson.

Copyright C 2005 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. From the books DOCTOR YOURSELF and FIRE YOUR DOCTOR, available from Andrew Saul, 23 Greenridge Crescent, Hamlin, NY 14464 USA. .
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drbeckl2	Posted - 12/14/2007 : 19:30:03 Hi; found this info on a website: http://www.doctoryourself.com/comfrey_herb.html ,......... this is what its says: quote: Comfrey: Wound Healer and Cancer Fighter Cancer and Comfrey Home CANCER, WOUNDS AND COMFREY In an old issue of Let's Live (Oct.-Dec., 1958), H. E. Kirschner, M.D., wrote an almost unbelievable article about several important clinical uses of the comfrey plant (Symphytum officinale). Let me tell you about it. Dr. Kirschner used comfrey in his medical practice to promote the healing of ulcers and wounds. He traces the history of comfrey back to 1568 and W. Turner's Herball which said "of Comfrey Symphytum, the rootes are good if they be broken and dronken for them that spitte blood, and are bursten. The same, layd to, are good to glewe together freshe woundes. They are good to be layd to inflammation..." He then cites Gerard's 1597 Herball, which indicated comfrey for ulcers of the lungs and ulcers of the kidneys, and Parkinson's 1640 Theatrum Botanicum: : "The rootes of Comfrey, taken fresh, beaten small, spread upon leather, and laid upon any place troubled with the gout, doe presently give ease of the paines and applied in the same manner, giveth ease to pained joynts, and profiteth very much for running and moist ulcers, gangrenes, mortifications and the like." Most significant is a citation from Tournefort's 1719 Compleat Herbal, which tells of one who "cured a certain person of a malignant ulcer, pronounced to be a cancer by the surgeons, and left by them as incurable, by applying twice a day the root of comfrey bruised, having first peeled off the external blackish bark or rind; but the cancer was not above eight or ten weeks standing." Even allowing for a misdiagnosis, this account is interesting. Dr. Kirschner personally observed the powerful anticancer effects of comfrey on a patient of his who was dying from advanced, externalized cancer. He prescribed fresh, crushed-leaf comfrey poultices throughout the day. He writes that, �Much to the surprise of the patient and her family,� there was obvious healing within the first two days of treatment, with continued visible improvement over the next few weeks. �What is more,� he writes, �much of the dreadful pain that usually accompanies the advanced stages of cancer disappeared," and there was a dramatic decrease in swelling. Dr. Kirschner concludes by regretfully saying that the cancer had already spread to the inner organs "which could not be reached with the comfrey poultices, and the woman died." Just in terms of quality of life, the degree of healing that did occur under the comfrey poultice treatment is of tremendous significance. Here is a "folk" remedy undeniably providing, at the very least, significant pallative relief, and to a remarkable extent reversing a cancerous growth. We can ill afford to overlook the full potential of external comfrey leaf poultices to heal sores and wounds of all types, including burns and gangrene, as well as �tumors both benign and malignant,� says Dr. Kirschner. Taken internally as decoction (boiled root tea), comfrey is described as effective against tuberculosis, internal tumors and ulcers, and promotes the healing of bone fractures. If it is hard to understand how one simple, easy to grow and easy to apply plant can be so widely useful in healing, remember that penicillin�s supporters have made some pretty broad claims for the mold on oranges. Dr. Kirschner describes in his article how to prepare comfrey leaves and roots for home use. The leaves are for external use, and the root for internal use. Anyone can grow comfrey in their garden for use when needed. In fact, just try to stop it: it takes no work whatsoever to grow this virtually indestructible perennial. As a young man, I decided to plant a lot of comfrey all over my yard. That took about 15 minutes. It grew so vibrantly that I eventually decided to eradicate comfrey from lawn and garden. It took twenty years to root it all out. Well, most of it. There is still that patch over there on the side� I got my �starter� comfrey from a friend, and now I know why he was smiling so broadly as he handed the huge sack of roots over to me. No, neither he nor I supply comfrey by mail-order. Ask around and see who�s got some to share. Or, try a garden supplier, nursery, herb store or Internet search. How to plant comfrey: stick the root under ground and come back in a month or two. To grow: Refer to the previous step. To use the leaves, one simply picks them, crushes them into a nice emerald green paste, and applies topically. Although comfrey leaf tea or dried leaves are often to be inexpensively purchased at herb and health food stores, there is a need to mention Dr. Kirschner's constant reference to using fresh cut leaves only, right from one's garden. Roots can be prepared as described in Poffer's Cyclopedia of Botanical Drugs (Fifth Edition) "by boiling one-half to one ounce of crushed root in one quart water. Dose, a wineglassful." Boiling the root results in a decoction. This is different, and much more effective, than simply steeping in hot water. Fresh root is almost certainly best, but I expect that dried root retains some therapeutic value. I thoroughly brush and wash the root under tap water before slicing it up. Then I place the chunks in two or three cups of water in a glass or stainless steel pan. Bring it to a boil, continue boiling for a few minutes, and let sit until it is cool enough to drink. Caution: There are potentially harmful side-effects if comfrey leaves are eaten in appreciable quantity. This, to me, also means that �Comfrey leaf tea� is contraindicated. Herbs may be the most natural of medicines, but they are still medicines. To be comfy with comfrey, consult your doctor and a reliable herbal textbook (such as John B. Lust�s The Herb Book, NY: Bantam, 1974) before employing this, or any herbal remedy. It is important to meet potential physician objections with a clear, shared understanding of the �comfrey rule�: fresh leaves externally, boiled root decoction internally. Allantoin, a key ingredient found in abundance in comfrey, may be among the reasons comfrey works. Allantoin helps cells to grow and grow together. Since this is precisely what is needed for ulcers, tumors, burns, broken skin, broken bones and perhaps even malignancy, it is little wonder that comfrey has a respect in folk lore and medical practice throughout the world, spanning the centuries. For a definitive explanation of how, why and what comfrey heals, with detailed information on the chemical constitution of allantoin, one should read a long-forgotten 60-page work entitled Narrative of an Investigation Concerning an Ancient Medicinal Remedy and its Modern Utilities by Charles J. MacAlister, M.D. and A.W. Titherley, D.Sc. It is full of case histories, research and historical information. Clinical observations, notes on malignancy and how to prepare the remedy are included. This 1936 book is even more rare than Dr. Kirchner�s article that I cited above. Reprints of either may still be available on microfilm. It is a good idea to ask your public library's interlibrary loan person to help you obtain copies. The complete reference is: MacAlister, C. J. and Titherley, A. W. (1936) Narrative of an Investigation Concerning an Ancient Medicinal Remedy and its Modern Utilities Together with an Account of the Chemical Constitution of Allantoin. London: John Bale, Sons, and Danielsson. Copyright C 2005 and prior years Andrew W. Saul. From the books DOCTOR YOURSELF and FIRE YOUR DOCTOR, available from Andrew Saul, 23 Greenridge Crescent, Hamlin, NY 14464 USA. .
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thealoeverawoman	Posted - 06/25/2010 : 04:59:37 The Book 'Prescription for Herbal Healing' by Phyllis A Balch says that comfrey is not ideal for those with cancer and fungal infections.
drbeckl2	Posted - 01/26/2009 : 15:33:24 update on comfry poultice method: After getting good results for about a month, the cancer slowly returned to the surface of the skin. It was not any larger, in what you could see by looking at the surface manifestation of the cancer. It was well behaved, and never got aggressive, or deep, or very sore. It did itch sometimes. It was a little sore when pressed on. It had a timing cycle it went by, and seemed to come and go, dry up mostly, then get moist, bleed, and then not bleed. Eventually, I decided to bring the experiments on alternative cures to a close, and get rid of this particular skin cancer. So I ordered some new hoxsey-type cancer salve for about $25, and put it on the sore, ..... in a specific manner that is used for applying cancer salves. As a matter of fact, I am using it rite now. A place near my collar bone. about 13mm, or 1/2 inch in diameter, in its un-treated size. .... much larger, about 1 inch in diameter, during treatment with hoxsey type salve. I have experienced very little burning type pain from it's use in that area. ..... and no pain of any other kind, caused by the salve. .... but if you use it on your face, their are more nerves there, and it it more painfull there... more sensitive there. After day 2 or 3 the area did get sore to palpation, but that soreness was not caused by the salve, it was the result of a eschar, or dead flesh being expelled from the living tissue. The pain factor for using the hoxsey salve/black salve is highly over-rated by people on this message board, in my experience. I had this particular skin cancer for about 5 years, [I think.] I used it as a test bed for other kinds of skin cancer remedies. None of them that I tried could go deep enuf to destroy the deeper roots of this cancer. I believe it to be a type of basal cell carcinoma. .... of which there are about 20 types. It turned out that it went much deeper down than what the surface symptoms indicated., or implied. That is why the other skin cancer remedies could not destroy it completely and finally. The deeper parts of the cancer were too far down. I am still in the process of tending to the eschar that has formed. --------------- quote: Warning: The hoxsey/black salve/cancer salve that you buy will probably not come with directions for use. This is because the seller is trying to stay out of court, out of jail. The seller is trying to protect himself from financial ruin. The FDA mafia is out to seek and destroy him. The industrial-military-pharmaceutical complex that president IKE tried to warn you about is now in firm control of your government. The legislature, the courts and the police are now their GESTAPO. As a consequence of this fact, YOU will have to seek out the directions for the salve's use, on your own. The internet has several sources of the directions for applying the salve. Ingrid Naiman sells a book called "cancer salves" with the directions for applying it. Do not use the salve unless you know exactly how it is supposed to be applied. .... Using it is like doing chemical surgery on yourself. YOU can not apply the salve as if it were a skin cream, or hand lotion, or any other medical type salve you have ever used. It is very powerfull. .... YOU must control the number of cancers treated at any one time, and limit it to one cancer area per treatment. [for those that have multiple skin cancers] .... YOU must control the size of the area to be anointed with the salve. YOU must control the bandaging of the area to be anointed with the salve. YOU must know exactly how to do these things. If you can not, or will not, or do not want to, find out how to do these things .... then DO NOT USE THIS SALVE. Go to a naturopathic type doctor instead, and let him apply it to you. Or go to a herb doctor and let him apply it to you. Failure to correctly apply this salve can and will result in a catastrophe that will cause you pain, scarring, and suffering. If you can not obtain and follow the directions for using it, then do not use it. .... see fforest posts on this message board for more warnings about what can happen if you do not apply the salve correctly, according to the standard operating procedures required .
drbeckl2	Posted - 09/13/2008 : 22:23:47 update on comfry poultice for basal cell skin cancer: I am continuing the comfry leaf poultice on the lesion, 8 hours per day, at nite. The entire 13mm lesion is now all filled in, with what appears to be healthy pink tissue. There still remains a tiny pit, or small ulcer in the center of the lesion. This is all that remains, to the eye of the original lesion. .......... It is about 1/32 of 1 inch wide, and 1/32 inch deep. Very shallow, very small. Aparently the comfry leaf is drawing something thru this hole/ulcer. ......... just as it has drawn fluids out of the thing from day 1. Maybe the fluids are some poisons that caused the cancer to exist. I don't think the remaing vestige will last more than a few days. I will keep up the fresh comfry leaf poultice till it is gone . stay tuned.
drbeckl2	Posted - 09/13/2008 : 22:06:12 janagain; Hell NO !!!! Hoxsey salve is my ace in the hole. I can afford to play with this skin cancer I have now, because I know how to kill it at my time and my choosing, within 15 hours time. Hoxsey salve kills the cancer cells dead, immediately. .... I experiment with things that may REVERSE the cancer cells and make them healthy again, without killing them out-rite. That would be the gold standard. To make cancer tissue reverse the cancer and become healthy , natural , cells again. Because hoxsey salve exits, I can afford to take the time to do this experimentation. If you have skin cancer, and don,t want to experiment around; then use the hoxsey salve and forget it. You've won the war on skin cancer. What a great feeling of security you will now have, knowing that you can kill any skin cancer in 15 hours time. You have the power. You control the vertical, you control the horizontal. (you've entered the twilite zone) It even has been used to kill internal cancers, and draw them out of the body. ...... see www.truthqest2.com ...... it has been used to kill and draw out a brain cancer. ... see Indgrid Naiman's book, 1st edition.
janagain	Posted - 09/08/2008 : 14:27:57 drbeckl2 did you give up on the black salve/hoxsey salve?????
drbeckl2	Posted - 09/01/2008 : 00:17:15 update; the surface of the lesion is now mostly all filled in to the level of the surrounding skin. There is now remaining one very small spot, about 1/16th inch in diameter. The new skin covering is a different color than the normal skin; a reddish-purple hue to it. I will continue on with the comfry poultice, until the last small spot is gone, and then add 1 weeks time to that. The cancer is a bcc, probably, and exists in the deeper layers of the skin, and thus harder to treat than a strictly surface cancer. Therefore; there is always the chance that it may re-grow after the treatment is stopped. ... but maybe not. I have destroyed this cancer before with raw garlic treatments, it healed over for several weeks, aparently gone, then it came back. So success would be if it stays gone for at least 6 months. ............. stay tuned.
RidgebackDogs	Posted - 08/26/2008 : 10:55:03 Thank you for the reply. Keep us posted - i am glad it sounds like it is working.
drbeckl2	Posted - 08/26/2008 : 02:10:05 update The lesion has been treated with the fresh raw crushed comfrey, 8 hours per day , for about 2 weeks now. The wound has changed the way it is re-acting the othe comfry poutice, and has reduced in depth. There also is appearing new skin growh growing from 2 sides of the lesion, filling in part of the lesion. At first the comfry poultice seemed to open up the lesion, and draw body fluids out of it, but after about 1 week, this changes; and there is less drawing action taking place; and the wound seems to be closing up, or knitting together a the edges. But there is 2 small areas that are still raw and still try to bleed/ooze/scab some. I will continue the experiment for a while longer, to see if further improvements are made. ---------------------------------- DOGS: I crush a piece of comfry leaf that is originally about 3 inches X 3 inches ................ I form it into a flattened out wad of fibers, ... I add 3 or 4 drops of water to it to make it more mushy. ........................ I put it on the lesion .... I hold it on the lesion with non-pourus bandage tape . .........just before I go to bed. ........ 8 hours later I remove it. .......... and let the air on the wound for 16 hours ..... I also put some home-made comfry-burdock-black walnut-olive oil oil on it , 2 or 3 times during the day. This oil seemed to help the cancer before, by itself. Seemed to reduce the bleeding/oozing/deepening cycle that skin cancers have.
RidgebackDogs	Posted - 08/14/2008 : 10:16:06 How do you manage to leave the poultice on for 8 hrs? hopefully this will zap the cancer - have you used anything else on this one? thanks!
drbeckl2	Posted - 08/14/2008 : 00:08:16 Hello; I now have comfry growing in my garden. I have began a experiment on a skin cancer of about 3 years existence, approx. 13 mm diameter, probably basal cell carcinoma type; using the crushed leaves of fresh, raw, green, comfry leaves. ..... applied daily for about 8 hours each day. I will contimue the experiment for about 2 weeks duration. .... I will report back to this forum of the results. ------------- So far I have seen: the comfry poultice has a definite drawing power on the lesion. It opens up, & softens up the surface skin layer and draws fluids, blood, and blood serum thru the lesion, from below areas. no stinging or burning while the poultice is on the ulcer. ............

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