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| MacWanted |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 03:41:08
I have read that some of you got success from this kind of products but in certain cases, it sounds very very dangerous. See link http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar.html |
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| anivoc |
Posted - 07/04/2007 : 08:49:33
Hi Mac,
Welcome..
Dan did a good summary and I'll expound upon my ignorance.
I don't believe for the most part sites like Quackwatch are a diabolical conspiracy. Unfortunately in their zest to expose the many people in the world truly just out to separate people in dire medical need of their dollars, sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees.
I don't think their pictures are fake and can I assure the ones I took aren't. Bloodroot paste is wicked bad stuff. It's quite a contradiction for someone who is supposed to be in the know to call bloodroot paste bad when this is exactly what Dr. Mohs used to identify "Fixate" skin cancer lesions his self. Shamefully many derms don't even know this fact.
Not a doctor here but as it was explained to me cancer is able to hide in stealth mode within our bodies. Our immune system can't see the intruder so the cancer grows. Bloodroot is one way to expose the cancer to our immune system and the reaction you see is strictly our immune system doing it's job.
I suppose there are a few people out there that may have an allergic reaction to the Zinc Chloride or the bloodroot itself. For most of us the paste will only effect cancer cells. Before I ever applied bloodroot to my face I applied it to an area on the inside of my arm that I was pretty certain was healthy skin. I left a 1" inch area covered for a day. No reaction. When I did my first application on my face within seconds I knew it was on the job and working... Did I mention it hurts???...BAD! Yes it hurts and yes it swells and yes you may have to reapply again at some future point. And sadly if you have a huge tumor you may lose a big portion of your nose, ear etc. There is nothing that is going to get you any better results. A spade is a spade. In the Horrific pictures they show they omit or just don't realize the fact that if a dermatologist / plastic surgeon had performed Mohs surgery on the same area the amount of tissue required to be removed would have been far greater and provides no better success rate in recurrence.
People who get upset at what Bloodroot did to them are people who did not do their homework. I've done the knife and I've done bloodroot neither is a perfect answer and that's why I'm here with the rest of the crew trying to come up with / discover a better solution. Currently if one of my skin cancers gets out of control I'll be using bloodroot before I use surgery. Fortunately though we are not there yet, these other alternatives seem to be helping me keep the ones I have at bay. By that I mean though not eradicated, I am slowing their growth, in some cases shrinking them.
I'm excited / encouraged about a few new post here using "Do it yourself" methods that cut out the "money making" part of this.
The two latest treatments that have my strong attention are the eggplant procedure by FForest and the baking soda / Hydrogen peroxide formula by Joe.
There is the train of thought that skin cancer is not the real problem but the symptom of an underlying more serious internal problem. That thinking lends itself to the the idea that a topical treatment / or excision is just masking the real issue. Perhaps this isn't the case or maybe it is. Certainly the medical world does not see it as such.
As it has been indicated in many Naturapthy / Holistic health sites including this one, Ph seems to play a role in cancer. Another perspective I read somewhere is the condition of your skin is indicative of the health of your digestive system. Supposedly if you have skin cancer your stomach, intestines and colon are polluted hindering your immune system in doing it's job. ( not sure how much of that I buy but it may be true) It can't hurt to cleanse yourself internally..if you go about it sensibly.
This site is one of the first I have come upon where several pioneers in alternative therapies are working together to find a solution. As the critical mass grows and we get more people with more smarts than those of us already here I am very hopeful together we can come up with a protocol that allows the everyday Joe a method to treat and eradicate skin cancer without the need of having to go to a doctor to get rid of them.
OK I've expounded enough for today.. Have a great Independence Day!
Be Safe!
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| dan |
Posted - 06/20/2007 : 08:06:52
There is no need to apologize for your post. I hope people consider all the information before making treatment decisions, and bad outcomes are possible with some treatments. I think the pictures are real but are deliberately misleading. The first two of the three victims shown applied unknown chemicals to their faces. It's like someone washing in battery acid thinking it was water and then claiming that water is dangerous. The last victim seems legitimate, but possibly would have had as much or more tissue removed by a surgeon. Skin cancer sucks.
The Quackwatch website tries to portray alternative cancer treatments in the worst possible light to frighten both doctors and patients back into the cancer death industry fold. They openly solicit the worst experiences with alternative treatments. Too bad they don't show routine conventional cancer treatment outcomes in the same manner. With 559650 very unsuccessful outcomes each year in the US alone, it should not be too hard to dig up some dirt. Then maybe I would respect them.
All that being said, I have never tried black salves and I also do not recommend them. I'm pretty sure they work, and I do not think "the idea that bloodroot kills only cancer cells and spares normal ones is preposterous." Bloodroot is very painful. It is also too quick and aggressive for me. Finally, one would really have to trust the source of the product. People who have tried bloodroot salves on this forum are full of warnings and seem to be very open to other treatments.
MacWanted, please understand that I am disappointed and angry at the approach taken by Quackwatch and while I greatly value your participation here even on these posts. If anything, I should apologize for not being more gracious to you. |
| MacWanted |
Posted - 06/20/2007 : 02:09:46
Sorry for my post but I am not living in the US but France and our medecine might be a little bit different.
Do you think that pictures are real or fake? if they are real, they might have applyed a huge amount of this cream, no? |
| dan |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 22:39:18
MacWanted, I think it is valuable to look at sites even as unobjective as Quackwatch. They have a point in that escharotics can be variable in quality and horrible results are possible. I appreciate your post and my following rant is not in any way directed at you.
Personally, I am completely unsatisfied with conventional medicine's approach to cancer. It is a disgrace to good science that 1444920 people will be diagnosed in the US in 2007 with a new cancer (excluding skin cancers), and that 559650 people are expected to die. http://www.cancer.org/downloads/stt/CFF2007EstCsDths07.pdf Quackwatch wants to expose the "fool" who seeks an unsuccessful treatment in a Mexican clinic while 559649 others are quietly exterminated in plush US hospitals. There must be ways to stop this madness.
I think Quackwatch is an influencial part of the cancer problem. All alternative treatments are considered dangerous and and those that advocate their use are evil. "Skin cancers should be medically diagnosed and treated. Those located in readily visible areas (eyes, nose, lips, or scalp) should be treated with Mohs surgery. The types of products described in this article are extremely dangerous. Their sellers deserve to be imprisoned." I guess that rules out home remedies and topical treatments. Thank goodness the doctors are there to save us poor helpless stupid people with skin cancer. Be sure to report them to Quackwatch if they offer a topical treatment like Efudex or Aldara.
I must be really worked up, that was my first smilie!
Conventional treatments are highly successful for skin cancer. I think for the most part they are unsatisfying. Maybe it takes a Moh's surgery or two (dozen) to see my point of view. It should be recognized that there are legitimate risks with both alternative and conventional treatments to disease. A primary goal of this website is for people to take responsibility for their own health instead of placing blind faith in conventional medicine. They do not deserve your trust so far, and the rewards of being proactive in personal health care can be very satisfying. |
| fforest |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 21:25:49
Quachwatch is a quack... |
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