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| Carlson |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 20:24:21
I just finished mohs surgery on my upper lip. I never want to have that surgery again.. It was awaful..but the lesion was kind of irregular, deep and the dermatologist said that is what i needed. It had grown in to my lip too. well I have a large scar now and it is slowly healing. The whole ordeal has been awful...
Now on the other side of my upper lip there is another little oval spot, just like the way the other first started... it is small, about the size of the end of a pen, but seems to be getting larger every day. I think it is another basal cell just like the one they took off only much smaller and of course newer, the other one was about 9 months old. But I remember what it looked like in the beginning and it looked like this..small oval translucent looking lesion that does not go away..
For years I had my dermatolgist look at the other one that the mohs surgery eventually took off, and she just kept saying it was solar keratosis and was harmless (she had biopsied it six years ago). Well I told her I wanted it off six years ago and she said it was fine..not to worry. So now six years later I went back to her and told her it bothered me and wanted it off...It turned to BCC after I demanded that she do another biopsy and hence the MOHS surgery which cost me a lot of money..!!
Now for this other smaller, new lesion, can I use a topical since it is so new? I have some Sun Spot but I read elsewhere on this forum not to use Sun Spot near the mouth... Why is that?? It is right on the lip line not really on the lip.
I am desparate, I even ordered some black salve,
but this is my face and I am a female and a bit vain, want to look decent,,and I don't want a scar,, so would the SUN SPOT work for this??
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME.. I NEVER WANT TO HAVE MOHS surgery again,,don't want a matching ugly scar on the other side of my upper lip...
I also have some flat shapped irregular looking skin on my nose..
The MOHS surgeon said, after I asked him to look at my nose during surgery on my lip, it just looked like sun damage. BUT I DON'T TRUST DOCTORS ANYMORE... they are surgery happy, especially the MOHS surgeons.... and most of the dermatolgoist don't even know that solar keratosis is PRE-CANCEROUS...
Geezzee. Pleae help.
I am not sure what to do...
Also would it work to have it frozen off by a dermatolgist, or do they do that on the lip area.... CAN YOU USE EFUDEX NEAR THE LIP??
I can't get any answers as my old dermatologist went off my insurance and had to find a new one,,, two and a half month wait to get in!!
This thing just keeps growing and I want to do something myself...
HELP PLEASE..... THANKS IN ADVANCE..
thanks.
E. Carlson |
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| anivoc |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 08:19:51
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Originally posted by Mexico
Anivoc - Thank you for your brief and clear definition of what eschariotic actually means. You are completely right, PDQ Herbal then is definitely eschariotic. But how could we explain that it is harmless on parts of the skin where there are no abnormal cells. According to testimonials, it is completely neutral on normal skin. If there was zinc chloride, it would automatically create an irritation.
Bloodroot paste with Zinc chloride does not effect non cancerous areas.
At least it doesn't with me and many people. A small percentage of the population may have an allergic reaction but I think for the most part it is a non issue. After researching bloodroot for close to a year on the net and talking to at least 5 people on the phone who were actual bloodroot users with success. I then spoke with Dr. Larsen ( horse Vet) and decided to give it a try. Because of all the horrendous pictures and horror stories, before I ever placed bloodroot on my BCC's I did a test area on my arm where I was pretty sure there was no
cancer... No effect.
The biggest problem with Bloodroot is that people don't understand that an eraser head sized tumor may in actuality be 1/2", 1",2",3" or maybe even more inches bigger underneath. (The Iceberg analogy)
With all the new topical ideas out bloodroot for me is a last resort but it is a resort I know is effective.. Unfortunately just as with the current medical techniques still not an exact or perfect science. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 09:06:32
Anivoc - Thank you for your brief and clear definition of what eschariotic actually means. You are completely right, PDQ Herbal then is definitely eschariotic. But how could we explain that it is harmless on parts of the skin where there are no abnormal cells. According to testimonials, it is completely neutral on normal skin. If there was zinc chloride, it would automatically create an irritation. |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 10:41:20
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Originally posted by Mexico
Anivoc - The description you are providing for the use of Bloodroot is almost textually what they say about the PDQ Herbal. But they insist that the product is not eschariotic
PDQ is an escharotic in that it does, just as Bloodroot does, cause an eschar ( scab) to form.
es·cha·rot·ic (sk-rtk)
n.
A caustic or corrosive substance or drug.
adj.
Producing an eschar.
I wonder if PDQ uses zinc chloride the other main ingredient in Bloodroot paste??
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| anivoc |
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 10:34:31
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Originally posted by Mexico
Anivoc- I would like to see the pictures you are talking about (your pictures) but I cannot find them. What is the link?
be forewarned pretty graphic...
http://public.fotki.com/Anivoc/xxterra/
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| Mexico |
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 07:17:51
Anivoc - The description you are providing for the use of Bloodroot is almost textually what they say about the PDQ Herbal. But they insist that the product is not eschariotic, if you apply it to an area where there is no cancer developing nothing will happen. It only makes the cancer area appear as a whitish group of cells. On the opposite a product like Sunspot ES does irritate the skin even if there is no cancer. At least it does for me. I have tried it on 5 different areas on my skin and the reaction is similar whether there is cancer or not. It turns red, creates a crust, peels off, etc. It works but, in my very limited opinion, not in a brilliant way. It burns the tissues - all of it, without discrimination. I am not sure it has long term success since it does not allow the immune system to attack and destroy the cancer cells. it is more a "shoot first, ask questions later" approach. While the bloodroot, the PDQ Herbals, or even the broccoli protocol all seem to first question the targeted area, metaphorically asking if there are cancer cells there. If the answer is yes, it reveals where the cancer is and directs the immune system efforts towards the abnormal cells. Now that's intelligent healing.
Anivoc- I would like to see the pictures you are talking about (your pictures) but I cannot find them. What is the link? |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 23:19:50
Hi Mexico,
See if he will tell you the plant they use. I called them about 2 or 3 years ago and tried to get it out of them but being as this is a "business" and you know it isn't proprietary they wouldn't tell. The explanation of the fatty tissue seems a bit off the mark to but I sure don't know for sure. The maker of XXterra ( a bloodroot paste) Dr. Larson.. He's a Horse Vet explained to me how bloodroot works. As I have posted previously it is basically along the same lines as what the PDQ guy told you. There is a thin sac @ the tumor as he described it that basically hides the tumor from the immune system. The Bloodroot along with the Zinc Chloride pops the sac barrier. When exposed the white blood cells attack..thus why the first day after you use bloodroot everything that is cancer turns white. Bloodroot is what Doctor Mohs originally used to "Fixate" expose and guide him as to where the cancer was. He would apply the bloodroot, wait a day then cut out all the white tissue. Later he switched to working his way out from the center of the tumor and cutting small pieces of tissue and observing each under a microscope until he only found normal tissue.. If you look at my blood root pictures and see how the white lines root out you can see why Mohs surgery as it is done today can be very invasive and requires taking a lot of the good tissue unecessarily with the bad. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 22:52:20
Skip - the guy at PDQ herbals swears that it does not contain any bloodroot at all. I do not see why he would be lying about this... So I choose to believe him. But I do not like the fact that we do not know exactly what the product is. He says it is only from one plant and it is the process that creates smaller fatty molecules to dislodge the cancer cells and make them vulnerable to the immune system. If the same process was applied to coconut oil, it would work too. Hmmm... I am used to harder science than that kind of mushy explanation. But then, the results seem quite good and I do not know everything - far for from it. I will call him again and ask more questions. I'll share the answers here on this forum. If his product is as good as he says it is, it deserves to be better known by all the skin cancer patients. |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 22:22:42
I haven't used the PDQ but I suspect it is a diluted and filtered version of bloodroot paste being as it has the same effect only less dramatic. I suppose it may be something else completely different as there are other chemicals that go after/ expose skin cancer to the immune system.
Please keep us posted on your results and TAKE PICTURES! oops sorry didn't mean to yell.
If you open a Gmail account there is an option to get a free Picasa Photo account where you can store and share quite a large amount of photos online for free.
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| Carlson |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 20:39:51
Thank you so much Mexico... I am ordering some right away. I went to their web site and they seem to be very honest, Christian people.
the lesion on that guys head on one of the pages looks just like a new mole I just discovered that has developed just in the last month..
I have a family history of melanoma so I really want to try it on this new mole.. Also the new little lesion on my lip and now I have discovered some on my nose.... This PDQ cream looks very promising.
Please let me know how your treatment goes.. Try to take pictures.
I know I am going to take pictures of before, during and after of every treatment I try so I can share with others...
thanks again for the info, I really do appreciate it..
Carlson |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 07:25:51
Hello E. Carson,
I simply want to mention that PDQ herbal - which seem to be helpful for many people - may be used near the lips, or the eyes. This information is from the person who markets the products. Accortding to him, you could even put it in your mouth without problems. He swears that the product is not eschariotic like the black slave, or curaderm or Sunspot ES, but simply an emollient "processed" in a way that breaks down the barrier between the cancer cells and your naturally occuring immune system. According to him, there is nothing harsh in the product itself. Visit the website http://www.pdqherbals.com. Give him a call, ask your questions - he likes to talk about his product and it could be helpful to you. I have ordered the product but have not received it yet. But if you read this forum and other you will see that many people are satisfied with PDQ herbal. As I said I do not have any personal experience with the product and this is not a recommendation - rather a hopefully helpful suggestion. Best of luck to you. |
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