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| anivoc |
Posted - 06/02/2007 : 21:09:45
I got this e-mailed to me from a visitor "Bourouba" to this website. Because the e-mail interface doesn't work here the only contact they could find was my e-mail address posted in "A scientific approach" Topicalinfo@Gmail.com.
This person e-mailed me a PDF of a cure using pureed broccolli..
Impressive pictures here's a link to tyhe PDF http://www.storethisfile.com/files/Anivoc/skincancer%20broccolli.pdf
Just another way to beat this stuff.. we are still just grazing the tip of the iceberg in figuring this out but there is no doubt conventional medicine is not the only way to get positive results..
Dan one bad thing about the forum interface is the e-mail system does not work..You may have this set up that way intentionally for anonnymity but if not it would be nice if we could interact and get in touch with each other outside of this BBS via e-mail in our profiles.
Tom |
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| anivoc |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 11:17:27
I've been mixing the broocomax capsules with th eggplant vinegar sauce and applying it to my Nodular BBC "The Alien" on the top of my head when I go to sleep each nite. I then apply a mixture of orange oil, sunspot es, dmso and vitamin e cream each day after I clean the wound that appears to be sloooooowly shrinking.. Sure hurts at night..fingers crossed |
| jan |
Posted - 11/23/2007 : 11:52:50
I sprouted the BroocoSprout seeds. It is easy to do. The sprouts are very mild tasting. I'm starting my second batch; an organized person would start growing a new batch every couple of days. If I can grow these things, anybody can. I have enough seeds to last a lifetime. The seed company told me the shelflife is only about a year. I'll probably get to test this, as none of my friends and family shares my excitement in this endeavor... |
| jan |
Posted - 10/30/2007 : 17:36:40
After doing a little research on the pertinent websites, I decided I'd like to try to grow the sprouts used in the Johns Hopkins study. I just ordered 2 lbs for about $25 from the only company selling the seeds: Caudill Seed Co. at 800-695-2241. I also found out the study people have linked up with Jarrow to make some capsules called BroccoMax . i wonder if the caps could be used or ground up and added with something to make them topical? So far I haven't found that they are making/selling a lotion or ointment with the SGS in it. In about two weeks I should have some sprouts ready to use, so I'll let you all know how that goes... |
| dan |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 00:17:29
Here is the link to the Johns Hopkins study "Broccoli Sprout-Derived Extract Protects against Ultraviolet Radiation" that Jan mentioned. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2007/10_22b_07.html The study results seem to be more prevention than treatment oriented. The researchers used the broccoli extract sulforaphane somewhat like a sunscreen. However, unlike sunscreens, sulforaphane "does not absorb UV light and prevent its entry into the skin. Rather, the extract works inside cells by boosting the production of a network of protective enzymes that defend cells against many aspects of UV damage. Consequently, the effects are long-lasting; the protection lasts for several days, even after the extract is no longer present on or in the skin."
The broccoli sprout extracts were protective even when applied three days prior to UV exposure. The protection did vary considerably among the subjects, ranging from 8 percent to 78 percent, which researchers noted may be due to genetic differences among individuals, local differences in the skin, or other factors such as dietary habits. Conventional sunscreens were essentially ineffective in these experiments.
So now we have more reasons to try topical broccoli or sprouts. |
| jan |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 20:57:04
You people using the broccoli, you haven't posted for several months. How is the broccoli protocol going? FYI, there was an article in the newspaper today about the Johms Hopkins study, I'm interested in knowing exactly how the broccoli was prepared, which parts have been found to be the best to use, did anything added help topically? There seems to be so many alternative therapies to try (e.g.. eggplant, orange oil, pancreatin, cell forte and now broccoli), I'm having trouble deciding which one to try next, and then how long to use before I give up and try another. |
| grabec |
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 23:43:09
Wow you guys, thank you so much for all the information. Bless you all and thanks so much for all the posts. Keep them coming. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:42:00
I went to visit my naturopath today. I talked about the broccoli protocol. He says it makes good sense and that cabbage leaves were used 400 years BC for tumors and ulcers already. Not a new concept. He explained why freshly broken down broccoli cells create an anti-cancer compound that lasts around 90 minutes before becoming too oxydized to be useful. He also said the biochemecal molecule responsible for this healing property is found in the adult broccoli and very little is found in the broccoli sprout. Therefore he believes the sprouts would be much less efficient - if at all. He says it needs to be freshly made too. He thinks the leaves of the broccoli plants would be the best choice but the flowers are excellent too.
I thought I would pass this information along. This man is an herbalist, a licensed naturopath and has a PH D in Nutrition. Plus he has 30 years of clinical experience and has cured himself of prostate cancer more than 30 years ago. He is very trustable and knowledgeable. |
| rocco |
Posted - 06/08/2007 : 11:06:46
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Originally posted by grabec
Very interesting about the broccoli. I have been applying this to my husband who has the basal cell carcinoma that has now gone into the skull around his brain. I don't see any difference yet and have been applying it for about one week. Today added Essiac tea, a bit of olive oil, some CLA and a bit of Aloe Vera (I have no idea what I am doing, really-just accumualted infor from web sites) but saw several doctors and today the final doc told us that this cancer of my husband's was practically hopeless. They are recommending radical, aggressive surgery that may or may not work and the chances of it being successful are very low. They want us to go to some very experienced cancer surgery places but don't hold out much hope. I am just sick and have been crying all day. All the things on this site seemed so possible but my husband's skin cancer may have just gotten way too out of hand. But I am sure I will keep posting. Thanks for listening.
I am so sorry to hear of your news. If you aren't already familiar with it, the Budwig Protocol may be of interest to you and your husband. Here is a link to a group message board on Yahoo. A lot of people with a lot of good knowledge and insight post there and may have more to offer to you.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/
I wish I had more insight and help to offer. One other suggestion I would make is to supplement with therapeutic doses of inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) plus inositol, and resveratrol. IP6 is a strong antiproliferative, immune system booster. The brand I would recommend was developed and patented by the reasearcher that has done much of the work on IP6. It is called Cell Forte IP6 & Inositol by Enzymatic Therapy. I buy mine through vitacost.com. If you are interested, here is some reading material to start with on IP6.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/11/3778S
http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=The%20Overlooked%20Cancer%20Cure%20From%20Japan&catagory=Cancer,Iron,%20Chelation,%20IP6
http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=Cancer%20Regimen&catagory=Cancer,%20Vitamin%20D
If you wouldn't mind, could you also share with us a little more info so that all of us can learn for our own decision making and knowledge base. About how long has this BCC been present that you are treating? Did he have a prior history of skin cancers? Thanks for sharing with us and you are in our thoughts and prayers. |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/08/2007 : 02:31:15
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Originally posted by grabec
Very interesting about the broccoli. I have been applying this to my husband who has the basal cell carcinoma that has now gone into the skull around his brain. I don't see any difference yet and have been applying it for about one week. Today added Essiac tea, a bit of olive oil, some CLA and a bit of Aloe Vera (I have no idea what I am doing, really-just accumualted infor from web sites) but saw several doctors and today the final doc told us that this cancer of my husband's was practically hopeless. They are recommending radical, aggressive surgery that may or may not work and the chances of it being successful are very low. They want us to go to some very experienced cancer surgery places but don't hold out much hope. I am just sick and have been crying all day. All the things on this site seemed so possible but my husband's skin cancer may have just gotten way too out of hand. But I am sure I will keep posting. Thanks for listening.
So sorry to hear it has become so serious. A second opinion may be in order. Kathi who has posted here just had BCC's removed with laser. I don't know the severity.
I know a lot of people here are afraid of Bloodroot paste because it really goes after the tumors. Being as it sounds from your post that the BCC has gone through the skull to the interior against the brain Bloodroot may be too drastic because it does cause swelling..nevertheless it sounds like this is extremely serious and life threatening anyway.
Dr. Larson of larson labs in Colorado makes XXterra and he explained to me as such..
Cancer has a sac or barrier that allows it to hide from the bodies immune system. When you apply bloodroot it pops the sac open and allows the white blood cells to do their thing.. kill the intruder
It is messy and painful and not full proof.. believe me I know but neither is a doctors knife and equally ( almost) painful.
In my post about Bloodroot there is a link to pictures of some of my treatments..
I also know that some people with internal cancers have taken a internal version of indian mudd bloodroot paste with success.
You might call Dr. Larson and get his thoughts on how to proceed he has to be very careful due to FDA regulations but he is a pretty smart Vet and knows a lot of success and failures in regards to Bloodroot..
Here's his contact info..
Vetline Equine
425 John Deere Rd.
Fort Collins, CO. 80524
Feel free to call us:
8:00am - 5:30pm Monday - Friday (MST)
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PH 1-800-962-4554
PH 970-484-1900
FAX 970-484-7666
info@vetlineequine.com
Prayers and hopes of success in getting your husband over this rough, tough road he must hoe.
Tom |
| dan |
Posted - 06/08/2007 : 00:26:26
Well, we are listening and hoping and praying. I wish we could help more. |
| grabec |
Posted - 06/07/2007 : 23:25:50
Very interesting about the broccoli. I have been applying this to my husband who has the basal cell carcinoma that has now gone into the skull around his brain. I don't see any difference yet and have been applying it for about one week. Today added Essiac tea, a bit of olive oil, some CLA and a bit of Aloe Vera (I have no idea what I am doing, really-just accumualted infor from web sites) but saw several doctors and today the final doc told us that this cancer of my husband's was practically hopeless. They are recommending radical, aggressive surgery that may or may not work and the chances of it being successful are very low. They want us to go to some very experienced cancer surgery places but don't hold out much hope. I am just sick and have been crying all day. All the things on this site seemed so possible but my husband's skin cancer may have just gotten way too out of hand. But I am sure I will keep posting. Thanks for listening. |
| dan |
Posted - 06/07/2007 : 01:40:24
Mexico, thanks for the great posts! I really hope the topical broccoli works too and am looking forward to your results.
Tom, I think I worked out the moderator thing. Thanks for the help. Another problem with the email was spammers using the site as a mail server. At least it seemed like that was going on. I could set up an additional forum with screened members that would have email and the ability to post pictures. I think adding those features to the present wide open forum is asking for trouble. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 11:39:05
I also found this excerpt on the Internet" Useful info I beleive...
Broccoli Sprout-extract Protects Against Skin Cancer from UV Light in High-risk Mice (Abstract #2597)
Eat it or wear it? That is the question.
If you ask Albena T. Dinkova-Kostova, Ph.D., of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, she will likely answer “both.”
In the laboratory of Paul Talalay, M.D., who first reported the indirect antioxidant properties of sulforaphane, the compound derived from cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, Dinkova-Kostova and her colleagues applied broccoli sprout extract to the skin of hairless mice, and found it counteracted the carcinogenic response to ultraviolet light exposure.
Mice from a strain characterized by post-weaning hair loss were exposed to a dose of UV light comparable to what a person would get sunbathing at the beach on a clear day, twice a week for 20 weeks. After irradiation, broccoli sprout extracts containing either a low or high dose of sulforaphane were applied to the backs of the mice, five days a week for 11 weeks. Acetone (known commonly as the ingredient in nail polish remover) was used as the vehicle for delivering the sulforaphane, and it alone was applied on the control group. At the conclusion of the study period, 100 percent of the control mice had developed cancerous skin tumors.
The incidence and number of tumors was reduced by half, however, in the mice receiving the high dose of broccoli sprout extract. The rate of tumor reduction was less among the low-dose recipients, but even in their case, some benefit was observed.
“We weren’t looking for a sunscreen effect,” Dinkova-Kostova is quick to point out. “The sulforaphane-containing extract was applied after the period of regular exposure to ultra-violet light. That’s more relevant, since most people receive some sun damage to their skin in childhood, particularly adults who grew up before effective sunscreen lotions were developed.”
Previous research has shown that sulforaphane boosts protective and detoxifying reactions in cells, inactivating carcinogens and reactive oxygen intermediates that contribute to the disease by damaging DNA. As in other studies involving the anti-cancer potential of sulforaphane, Dinkova-Kostova’s group notes that broccoli sprouts contain much more of the compound than adult broccoli.
”Our findings suggest a promising strategy for skin cancer prevention after exposure to UV light,” Dinkova-Kostova said. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:25:05
I guess it all depends where the cancer is located. The idea of using saran wrap is simply to hold it in place. I have been doing it for 3 or 4 days now. It is easy to do but it is much too early to say if it works or not. In a email conversation with Dr. Roz (it seems that people who know him call him Dr Roz), he says that I should do it for at least one month before evaluatiing the results. So far it seems to become slightly worse - which could be good news as we all know. Or bad news. Nothing is certain, but I took pictures and I will report the results. I have BCCs on both sides of my face and I am treating only one side with the broccoli so far. I really hope it works. It seems to be the only "nutritional" approach, feeding the skin with anticancer elements. All the other approaches seem geared towards burning away the BCC - wether it is with laser, curaderm, Sunspot ES, cansema, etc. Which is not a bad idea either, just more agressive.
If one were to use the sprouts, instead of the vegetable, it would be easy to just crush it and apply the product. I hope someone will try it and report. The doctor has a good point though about the maturation of the adult plant. Especially if the broccoli is organic. I remember reading that the anticancer components are higher in the organic variety. The reason would be that the vegetable - not being protected by pesticides - has to create lots of phytochemicals to fight disease and attacks from its environment - it is those same phytochemicals that are absorbed and used by the human body to prevent and fight cancer invasion.
This book is a must for anyone interested in food and cancer: Foods That Fight Cancer: Preventing Cancer Through Diet by Richard Beliveau, Denis Gingras, and Pierre Bruneau Even their cookbook will be out in a few months: Cooking With Foods That Fight Cancer by Richard Beliveau and Denis Gingras (Paperback - Oct 16 2007). If you read French, both of these books are already on the market in French. The doctors who wrote these books are oncologists working daily with cancer patients - mostly children. I heard Dr. Beliveau on the radio several times and his research is fascinating and very encouraging. Being very cautious, he talks about prevention mostly, but if you read carefully, he really explains how we naturally destroy a huge quantity of cancer cells everyday and how we can eat to support and extend that process. |
| grabec |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 23:52:50
So you guys, am I understanding that you should puree broccoli sprouts instead of regular broccoli stems and heads to apply topically? And could you run the sprouts through a juicer or how would you pulverize the sprouts to apply topically? Also, it mentioned putting saran wrap over the poltice while it is being applied. Do you think that is critical or can you just apply the stuff and leave it not covered? |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 23:02:00
I invited Dr. J. Rozencwajg the author of the broccoli study to participate here unfortunately He /She? is extremely busy but is willing to take e-mail questions and answer them .. pretty cool Doc.
Here's the Doc's response ( below) and in the vein of a scientific approach asked that if you choose to use the sprouts "NOT" to use mature broccoli with it to help deduce the exact results. Also wants before and after pics if possible..
Gotta love the quote after the signature :D
Thank you for the invitation.
I am member of (too) many discussions and professional forums, I do not think I would have time to be associated to yet another one; nevertheless, should you have a specific question, just ask me and post my answer to your forum.
As for the sprouts, many people had the same idea. The problem I see is that the labs are testing for ONE single substance, sulphonorane, forgetting that what is important in the field of natural therapies is the synergistic action of different components. It is possible (but I do not know) that the specific mix found in the broccoli extract is more active because there has been time for maturation and creation of synergistic chemicals. Focussing on one chemical is exactly what allopathic oncologists do, and we all know the results.
Nevertheless, should you and your friends want to try, please do not mix sprouts and adult plant, so that results can be compared. I would appreciate to receive a picture before and after as well as a short description of the treatment so that I can have a statistically significant number of cases in a short time. Please make sure to report failures too!
Many thanks.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". |
| anivoc |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 22:11:47
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Originally posted by dan
Still, we can try the email again and see if the spam situation is different this time. Maybe there are other options. What do you think?
Dan I am a major proponent of gmail. It is is free and I don't think there is a better e-mail program for filtering spam all on it's own.
Here's a link to get free one. https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount
I have the topicalinfo@gmail.com published publicly right out in the forum in 2 spots ( now 3) here on this site and have gotten 0 spam.
BTW not sure you got it but I sent you an e-mail on how to set me up to help as a moderator.. though my visits here are sporadic I am ready, willing and able when I am here. |
| Mexico |
Posted - 06/04/2007 : 20:08:33
I get my broccoli seeds from these guys: http://www.sprouting.com |
| rocco |
Posted - 06/04/2007 : 09:08:18
Mexico, I think that is a pretty decent idea to combine the two - sprouts and whole head broccoli.
Here is some additional data regarding sprouts from a FAQ...
"Q: Does heating BroccoSprouts affect their nutritional content?
A: The sulforaphane GS precursor of sulforaphane is very heat stable, but cooking in water could extract these compounds. BroccoSprouts will retain their sulforaphane content if microwaved or heated without water. "
....so boiling does extract the compounds for making a tea that could possibly used topically for my idea.
"Q: What is sulforaphane glucosinolate? And what does it do in the body?
A: Sulforaphane in its natural glucosinolate precursor is a phytochemical found naturally in some plant foods. Cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli and cauliflower are particularly abundant in SGS. Scientific research indicates that SGS supports antioxidant activity in the body. It is a long-lasting antioxidant that triggers Phase 2 enzymes in the body that help to remove free radicals and other chemicals that my cause DNA damage. "
http://www.broccosprouts.com/sprouts/faq.htm
The BroccoSprouts people contend that the Johns Hopkins guys tested over 50 different varieties of sprouts and found this one variety that was richest in sulforaphane...of course you can buy this variety of seed from a vendor linked from their website. I don't know if this is the total truth or just sales tactics, but buying what they recommend seems to make sense. They say that the seed is available through the following link, but after a cursory look through the site I don't see where a person can buy a small amount (a pound or two) of broccoli seeds.
http://www.caudillseed.com/
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| Mexico |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 21:20:05
Follow-up on the Broccoli sprouts idea.
Here is the response I received about using the sprouts instead of the mature vegetable:
"Yes indeed, but not everybody can or wants to grow sprouts. I had to find a way that would be easy, cheap and accessible to everyone. If you use the sprouts, use only those, then we can evaluate if it is more efficient or about the same, as quite a few other people have asked that same question."
This response was from the New Zealand doctor (Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.) who did the PPS presentation available at http://www.storethisfile.com/files/Anivoc/skincancer%20broccolli.pdf
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| Mexico |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 13:57:09
Rocco, I had the same kind of thought about the broccoli sprouts. I have been growing the sprouts myself for eating purpose. It is very easy. All you need is the broccoli seeds (organic if possible) and you grow them on a plate. It is inexpensive, always fresh, organic and always available - as long as you think of making them. Rather than making a tea, I would mash and crush them to have all the raw components. Then I would apply the mixture to the problem area. It seems like a good idea, but the combination of molecules that are working in the adult broccoli may not be in the right proportion in the sprouts for this type of use. I don't know. Obviously if the sprouts are richer in some components, they must also be poorer in others. I'll try to find out what the author of the research thinks about this. In doubt, I ususally stick with what works, get the results and then try to improve on it. |
| rocco |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 13:29:46
Fascinating stuff.
Here is another related item that I have been considering how to "go topical" with...
"JOHNS HOPKINS SCIENTISTS have found a new and highly concentrated source of sulforaphane, a compound they identified in 1992 that helps mobilize the body's natural cancer-fighting resources and reduces risk of developing cancer.
"Three-day-old broccoli sprouts consistently contain 20 to 50 times the amount of chemoprotective compounds found in mature broccoli heads, and may offer a simple, dietary means of chemically reducing cancer risk," says Paul Talalay, M.D., J.J. Abel Distinguished Service Professor of Pharmacology. "
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press/1997/SEPT/970903.HTM
There is one brand of supplement (BroccoMax, I think is the name of the product) made with the blessing of the guy from Johns Hopkins, though I suspect it would still be too weak to make a magic potion out of. I am thinking that making a tea of broccoli sprouts and applying it like the pdf article mentions could be another needs-to-be-tried topical. If the potency of sprouts are indeed 20 to 50 times greated than the stems and heads, wow, that might really do the trick.
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| dan |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 01:16:47
Tom, thanks for this interesting post about topical broccoli. To turn around such a significant amount of skin cancer is impressive.
I did have the email working originally (which for me was pretty good!) I wanted to make it as easy as possible for someone to make a forum post but of course we get a fair amount of spammers too. I eventually disabled the email because I thought it was attracting more spammers to the forum as well as resulting in spam emails to members. The way around that is to screen people as members. That turns some people away from making the forum posts that we desperately need. We are getting really good people contributing here now. Still, we can try the email again and see if the spam situation is different this time. Maybe there are other options. What do you think? |
| grabec |
Posted - 06/02/2007 : 23:10:54
So, has anyone tried this broccoli remedy? Very interesting. I am trying to figure out how to get it applied and keep it on different locations on your body where skin cancers are, like the ear???? |
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